Sides gear up for battle over water along border
Re: ". . . the endangered plants listed for the west desert do not depend
on deep water aquifers or irrigation . . . ."Well, only for
their water and lives.US Fish and Wildlife Service's profile of
spiranthes diluvialis indicates: "[n]early all occupied sites have a high
water table (usually within 5 to 18 inches) of the surface . . . ."Hmmmmm.It seems someone from FWS may have actually been to
Snake Valley and seen them growing only at the edges of springs and seeps.
Anyone who's actually been to the West Desert might be uncomfortable alleging
that any plant there thrives "on available water from rainfall."
If the Wasatch front has enough water to support 500,000 more people then why is
the water flowing through the tunnel at Diamond Fork? Why is all the water
coming off the south slope of the Uintah being gathered at Strawberry Reservoir?
Let's put that water back into the Colorado drainage, support the streams for
the Colorado cutthroat that were dewatered and it would then eventually end up
at Lake Mead and Las Vegas would have water without tapping the west desert
source.Also, the endangered plants listed for the west desert do not
depend on deep water aquifers or irrigation from springs or other flowing
sources. These plants live on available water from rainfall. Taking deep water
sources will not affect them.
If there is water on the moon, Las Vegas will claim it.
Only 15% of the water in Las Vegas' fountains is grey water.The Wasatch
Front still, even without CUP, has water enough to support about 500,000 more
people, and about 1 million more with tight restrictions (per U of U, state
engineers and the B or R). Keep emotion out of your arguements. It will only
detract and void your case. You don't want to lose the fight against Nevada on
Why have tree huggers thrown the West Desert under the bus?It's
laughable to watch the West Desert being completely ignored by the EDF, NWF,
NRDF, Sierra Club, etc., etc., whose mission statements smugly proclaim such
lofty ideals as "leadership within the conservation movement through
uncompromising advocacy for wilderness preservation." Uncompromising?From their silence on the issue, even SUWA and the
West Desert Healthy Environment Alliance seem unconcerned.Hmmmmmm.It would be so easy, too. A [1992-listed] threatened
species, Ute-ladies'-tresses orchid (Spiranthes diluvialis), endemic in Snake
Valley, will go extinct there without the springs and seeps that will inevitably
be destroyed by the inevitable lowering and salting of the water table this
poorly-thought-out action will produce. Not to mention the endangered West
Desert ranchers and farmers, who are offered absolutely no protection by either
the state of Utah or the misbegotten Endangered Species Act.We've
got a western name for this bunch -- "all hat."
I really think the use of the argument "well you did it" is
intelectually lazy...If we do not afford ourselves the ability to learn from our
mistakes, well, anyway, you get the picture. If Utah has done a poor job, and
injured folks feeding the wasatch, I'd say thats a mistake that needs some
fixing...but to allow it to occur again...well Duh! Progress is
great, but don't whine when those with a say over needed resources don't agree
with your definition of progress...
Vegas will probably have their way in the end... remember, big business controls
the government. Those casinos are multi billion dollar industries, they'll get
what they want.
I say drain lake powell and let vagas get their water else were.
I can't figure out why Wasatch Front cities exist where they are. They have far
over grown their resources. Wasatch Front cities divert water from out of valley
sources to feed the ever growing population. Why should the Wasatch Front cities
be able to do this and Las Vegas can't. Wasatch Front cities are just as
unsustainable as Las Vegas.
Annual runoff replenishes aquifers yet they plan to pump much more than runs off
each year. This cannot be allowed to happen, let's hope the Nev lawmakers see
the problems and not just the additional $$ this will bring to the state.
There's no logical reason a city the size of Las Vegas should exist where it
does. It has almost no natural resources, especially water, and almost
everything has to be brought in from other locations.The city
started to explode in growth the last time we diverted water unnaturally with
the damning of the Colorado River at several points, and we've long seen the
natural and archaeological consequences of that tampering with nature.Las Vegas is unsustainable; it's like a patient only being kept alive by
machines. Only, in this case, those machines are sapping "life" from
those who are sustainable.
whats wrong with pumping water which will run off each spring and end up wasted
in the great salt lake, instead of pumping it from aquifers?
First off, Las Vegas is stealing no more water than any other city. If that
argument is used then Salt Lake City should give back all the water it is taking
from the Colorado River Basin with the Central Utah Project. That means water
that comes from as far away as the South Slope of the Uintah's.The
fountains and water extravaganzas of Las Vegas should be a model to the rest of
the U.S. on conservation. These shows are done using, so called, gray water. In
other words water that has been recycled from culinary use and not water that is
robbed from thirsty citizens.Just the facts man.
Las Vegas is a city of glut. It wants the very best, the showiest, and the
plushest of everything. It's a city of extreme wealth as well as extreme
poverty. There is no end to the razzle-dazzle of the Casinos while they are
competing with each other to have the most extravagant. They waste water and all
other resources. They cater to the wealthy who have no bounds to their desires.
The Casinos use water with no controls, as if they don't realize that they are
in the middle of the desert. They have pirate ships, water shows, fountains and
mega-golf courses, not to mention the innumerable hotel rooms, all of which
inhale water in exorbitant amounts. Now, this wasteful city wants
more water because what is already there can't support their superfluity? Should
Utah give up its precious water resources to support their excessive waste? True, businesses come to Las Vegas, making it is one of the fastest
growing cities in the country. But what does that have to do with Utah's
precious water? Why should Utah support the overindulgence of the casinos and
the hypocrisy of Las Vegas?
Do NOT lt this happen.
It time for the BLM and federal agency's come to terms with a definition to
define and limit how and where one city can get natural resources of water for
its own use. What right does one city have to leave its domain to seek and
search for resources and take them away from other potential developmnet and
growth areas of a country. What Las Vegas is doing is an example of
archaic development laws established in the 1800's and its time to update city's
rights and development and who owns or has preferential ownership of resources.
If a city has a need for wood does that city have the right to go thousands of
miles away across state or country borders lines and claim rights to their
trees? The same goes with oil fields, should Nevada be allowed to go claim
rights to the oil in Texas?History has shown that prosperity is not
permanent and loss of resources robs others of the ability to prosper. Nevada
has no laws that say business in Las Vegas can't move closer to the resources