@forreal peopleIt seems you are trying really, really hard to
convince someone, anyone, of your "facts".Keep trying.LOL
the only "rank" that counts to anyone after the season is over is post
season final polls. BYU played and beat zero ranked teams in 1984 (record for a
nc claim). The combined winning percentage of all of BYU's 1984 opponants was
0.47 (record for a nc claim). so the 84 cougs were way overated from the get go
and way way overated at seasons end. On the opposite end the under
rated 2008 utes started unranked and ended at no. 2, beating four ranked teams
(byu has never beat more than two ranked teams in a singe season). Two top 10
teams (byu has never done that either). with the computer rankings
involved now, it is a numerical fact that there is no possible way byu would
have been ranked no. 1 or 2 with their opponents having a combined 0.47 winning
percentage, so Utah, by far has the way way bigger accomplishment, it's not even
close. There is no dispute, it's common sense, unless your a byu fan, who will
have do defend agains these stats for life. Have fun with that!
Bragging about BYU claiming a NC in 1984, while "busting,"all these
college football traditions is not doing the 84 cougs any favors. It's
interesting that you would even bring it up. That is why the world of college
football thinks is was total bs and Washington has the legitimate banner hanging
in their stadium. Mentioning it's the only NC claim without playing
after new years, omits two other HUGE stats:1. only NC claim where the
team did not beat a RANKED opponent in a bowl game2. only NC claim where
the team did not beat one RANKED opponent all year, Opp. winning percentage 0.47
Look it up!!It makes the 2008 Utah 13-0 team, the only undefeated in
the nation, who beat 4 top 25 teams (2 top 10) in the FINAL polls (stat was best
in nation tied with Florida), FACTUALLY, UNDISPUTEDLY, a WILDLY more legitimate
NC team than the 84 cougs could ever dream of. I guess Hawaii deserved the NC in
2006! If only they could have played a terrible bowl opponent in a terrible
bowl, oh wait they played a couple ranked teams and a tougher schedule. LOL
Mormon Ute "So many BYU fans have pointed out that BYU's
National Title was made possible by their ranking to start the season."Actually BYU 1984 was unranked in the preseason Top 20 polls, but it was
BYU's 1983 #7 finish that gave BYU the credibility to vault back into the Top 10
after beating preseason #3 Pittsburgh.BYU 1984 - unranked preseason;
ranked #8 by week two of the rankings.
Preseason rankings are the bane of major college football.Even
though they "don't mean anything", they do establish a pecking order
of contenders that makes it difficult for a lower- or un-ranked team to pass a
high-ranked team as long as both teams keep winning.Another good
reason for a playoff. Why should one team's 0-0 record be "ranked"
higher than another team's 0-0 record?
byu116970,Who cares how you get into the polls. The fact is that
the higher you start, the better chance you have of qualifying for a great bowl
bid. So many BYU fans have pointed out that BYU's National Title was made
possible by their ranking to start the season. So we're just excited for the
possibilities. We are all well aware that the team has to do well to take
advantage of it.
We see alot of Utes posting how important pre-season rankings are now.Funny, Pitt and Michigan both ranked Top 5 preseason in '84 and they are
disregarded because they did not finish there.Which is it Utes?
Pre-season or where you finish.We all know where BYU stands vs Utah
in Top 25 finishes, don't we?It's not where you start, but where you
finish, ask Auburn.When Utah has it's 4th loss by mid-October,
bye bye Top 25 finish.
Can't wait to see how BYU and Utah both do this year! I certainly hope my cougs
do well as independents and I wish Utah only the best of luck in the PAC 12. GO
Bleed Crimson Colorado - CSU may not be a "major" rivalry,
but CSU will always be a bigger rival for the Buffaloes than Utah.Utah fans still spamming BYU articles almost a year after Utah
"supposedly" left BYU in their dust is proof that Utah fans are still,
and always will be, obsessed with BYU.There isn't a single Utah fan
on this blog who's been to a Colorado blog in the last year to talk smack with
Colorado fans; more proof that Colorado won't be anything more than a travel
partner for Utah, no bigger a rival than any other PAC 12 conference
opponent.When hedgehog, Chris B, Uteology, Pebbles, and all the
other BYU-obsessed Utah fans completely stop posting on BYU articles, then we'll
believe that BYU is no longer Utah's rival.Since we all know that
will NEVER happen, U can stop with all of your silly pretenses.
@bleedingUtah hasn't played Colorado in football since 1961 so
trying to stretch it into the 70's is about a decade to long. Also utah and
colorado were not rivals in the sense BYU and utah have been at any time
although they did play regularly. USU was a bigger rival for utah than colorado
ever was.But who knows, maybe colorado will become utahs rival, I
doubt it but maybe. Rivalries are developed because of on field competition not
because of the desire of some conference commish for it to be so. Considering
utah will probably be middle of the pac and colorado will probably be bottom of
the pac for a good long time and their game will basicly mean nothing I really
don't see a rivalry developing there.More likely is utah will start
considering the schools that work them over all of the time, like USC, their
rivals, just like every single school in the MWC considered BYU their main rival
because BYU dominated them in just about every sport. There is nothing about
utah/colorado geographically, culturally, or competitively to form a rivalry
from. It is just wishful thinking by larry scott.
Alterego,There is no way that you are a college football expert. I
would love to see anything that you have ever written, or done to prove that you
are. You are just a jealous little Y fan, who is upset at the fact that the UTES
are in a BCS conference now, and the Y went independent. Independence is nice,
but it is not the same thing as being in a big time conference. Byu maybe the
UTES only national televised game, but there will not be anywhere near only 20K
in the stadium for any game this season, no matter how good or bad the UTES are.
Also, no matter if we are 12-0, all UTE fans still call for the OC's head. It is
what fans do. We did it to Versteeg, Schram, Roderick, Ludwig, etc. So
predicting that is like predicting that the sun will come up tomorrow, & the
day after that. I dont believe that the UTES will win the Pac 12 South. Can
they, sure. They could also be 2-10. Most of the experts, which your not have
the UTES at 7-5, 8-4, or 9-3.
@DevilishUteHow did you know what color my goggles were? As
you know, football is not a science. The game is played on the field. However, I've tried to be as scientific as possible. My friend and I
developed a program that we use mostly for fantasy football. I've modified the
program to try and predict game outcomes based on fourteen weighted criteria.
(I recognize there are really more criteria than this.) The criteria are input
on a scale of 1 to 5, with 3 being average. I'm sure my ratings would be
different than yours.The criteria are QB, probability of QB missing
games, back-up QB, RB, WR, Offensive Line, Special Teams, Defensive Line, LB,
DB, Coaches, Home Field, Last Years results, Expert's Opinion.I
won't go through them all, but here's an example - I listed BYU's QB as 4,
probability of missing games at 30%, and back-up QB as 3 (compared to other
back-ups, not other starters).I listed Utah's QB as 3, probability
of missing games at 60%, and back-up QB as 2.The program magically
spits out the results when the schools are compared.
@ CGColorado - Colorado StateBYU will always be Utah's
only rival because the kids on the hill are obsessed with comparing everything
they do with their big brother down south.Colorado - Colorado State
is not a major rivalry. CU fans could careless about playing CSU. Colorado State
needs an AQ team such as CU on their schedule. CU doen't need CSU. The main
rivalry for both those schools are: Colorado State vs Wyoming and Colorado vs
Nebraska. The Nebraska - Colorado Rivalry developed when both schools joined the
Big 12 in the mid 1990's.Utah will develop a new rivalry with
Colorado as new PAC-12 members. It can become heated, and will take some time to
develope! By the way, Utah's major rival up until the 1970's was not byu, It was
Colorado! That rivalry was heated and almost evenly matched. byu didn't become a
major rival with Utah until Lavell Edwards took over your program where byu had
their dominance over Utah for 20 years, Before then byu was just another win for
the Utes! Utah still dominates the rivalry by 20 games and are still the Older
Brother to byu.
RE Hedgehog at 7:34 (2nd posting):The only real troll I know is you.
So are you predicting that your team, Utah, will be the doormat of the PAC-12?
@CougFaninTXTell us about how you came up with these calculations.
I'd like to think that you've assigned percentages based on science and
empirical evidence, but right now it comes across as some dude wearing blue
goggles handing out treats to kids in front of Target.
MiP,The reason I have Oregon State at 61% and Utah at 69% is 1.)
Utah is a home game and OSU is an away game and 2.) Utah's back-up quarterback
situation is a dire situation and I tried to calculate the probability that a
school would need their back-up quarterback. Given Wynn's propensity for injury
and uncertainty of his comeback, I calculated a greater probability of Utah
using their back-up quarterback. I know that Jaquizz is gone, but I
rated both Utah and Oregon State low for the running back position. Utah may
have more upside with Langi, but both schools are unproven at this position.And carrying the decimal point gives Idaho 99.1% and Idaho State 99.8%.
HedgiePretend you're a gopher and go play Caddyshack with Bill
Murry. BYU will be just fine..and I can more than take my lumps if and when
they come. I don't have the gloomy doomy outlook of Winnie the pooh's little
donkey buddy Eyeore like you do...so you go back to your so called successful
pronostications that you were weekly doing during Jimmers run...and say hi to
Chrissy B. the next time you're at work.
@Mormon UteI may be in the minority there but I don't think it is
much of a minority. The truth is it has only been a football rivalry since the
early 90's, for two decades before that the game was a virtually meaningless
forgone conclusion. So for a good part of my adult life it has been pretty
competitive but all of my life into my late 20's early 30's there was really not
much to it. It was better in basketball during that time. For most
of my life, and lives of everyone else in their 30's,40's and 50's, there really
wasn't much about it that was competitive so people claiming it has all this
nostalgic meaning I just don't get. It has meant more the last 15 years than for
the 1st 30 years of my life.In those 15 years there has absolutely
been some fantastic games, I can't deny it. It is pretty much dead even during
that time and the games have mostly been right down to the wire.There are things I would miss but overall I can live without it.
"who's to say that we couldn't possibly wind up in a little bigger bowl
than the Armed Forces Bowl. We're not totally obligation bound to play in that
bowl and there's more than just an at large bid to one of the bcs bowls. We
could get invited again to the Cottonbowl. I for wouldn't have a
problemwiththat"Where's stockton,Dude, slow your
role. Beat USU first.
@CougarfaninTexas Your assessment looks pretty good... but Patterson lost
one or two of his assistants and a couple of key linemen besides their qb A.
Dalton...and I'm sure with Doman running BYU's offense and not "5 and
out" Robert Anae...our offense will be the more productive when we play TCU
in Dallas Stadium. If there is anything in question it will be who has the
better defense...and BYU's hasn't looked as good as they are right now for quite
some time...especially depth wise in the backfield. I rank that game with the
Cougars getting a slight edge of 52%. I don't really see any red flags for
anything less than a 10-2 season and if Ole Miss and Texas do stumble like some
think they might... who's to say that we couldn't possibly wind up in a little
bigger bowl than the Armed Forces Bowl. We're not totally obligation bound to
play in that bowl and there's more than just an at large bid to one of the bcs
bowls. We could get invited again to the Cottonbowl. I for wouldn't have a
Duckhunter,I sent your suggestion on to Chris Hill and Tom Holmoe
for their consideration.Seriously though, I think you are in the
minority of fans from both teams. However, the non-conference scheduling
restrictions on the PAC-12 schools will make it difficult. Especially if other
conferences follow suit and put similar restrictions on their teams. That is
going to limit BYU's options before October 1st and I can see why they'd be
reluctant to plat one team every year given the limitations. I guess we'll have
to wait and see how this all plays out.One thing I think has been
proven in all of this is that neither BYU or Utah are dependent upon each other
to make it in college sports. There was a time when the two schools pushed each
other to higher levels of performance and that competition has largely put each
school in the position to do what they are doing. The challenges ahead, outside
the rivalry, will be plenty to keep each school advancing and reaching new
BYU Deek,When you're the new kid on the block you don't have a lot
of leverage. It's really that simple. You sound like you've got a mouthful of
sour grapes from not getting invited to the PAC-12.As far as the
Utes ranking goes, it looks like the Utes are one of BYU's highest ranked
opponents in the polls that have come out so far. People with a higher football
IQ than yours are giving our team some decent respect.
That is what I thought.....Hedgehog and ChrisB are employed by the sporting
news. :)I'm actually a college football expert and I can't see any
way the Utes end this year over .500. Ute fans will be calling for Chow's
resignation by the eighth game of the year, attendance will average 20-25k/game
and Utah's game vs. BYU will be their only nationally televised contest this
year. Mark it down.
@utah'95Of course we were discussing actual athletes here, not
dreamers who simply wished they could play. @failstormWhichever one of them the coaches think best for the job. When you have that
many qb's of that quality sitting on your bench it would be pretty hard to make
a wrong decision. Any of those qb's would be the hands down starter at utah so I
think BYU will be just fine in that scenario.
MidMajor4ever delusionist"Name one major rivalry between a BCS
school and a mid major...."Colorado - Colorado StateBYU will always be Utah's only rival because the kids on the hill are obsessed
with comparing everything they do with their big brother down south.In fact, a significant portion of Utah's fan base is made up of fans who are
more BYU haters than they are Utah fans.It might change for a few
wishy-washy Utah fans, but the vast majority of Utah fans will always consider
BYU as Utah's rival.Here's test. How many Utah fans could name
Colorado's starting QB? Be honest, could you MidMajor?
@SwoopColorado will evolve into Utah's natural rival as byu becomes
less and less important to the Utes. byu and Utah are headed in different
directions. Sure jealous byu fans will cling to every move big BCS brother
makes, that's a natural reaction. Name one major rivalry between a
BCS school and a mid major.... Over the next few years we will see the once
great rivalry fade to past memories.FYI, this isn't a byu article.
I for one have never responded to a byu article, news about your mid major
school isn't a concern to me. I wish you the best in your independent future.
"Wynn is not 100% and trying to come back, what if he get's injured, who
goes in the game?"It would take a minor miracle for Wynn to
play an entire season in the PAC 12 without getting injured, he's too fragile,
and it remains to be seen whether he'll even make a full recovery physically and
mentally.Even if Wynn's healthy, Chow's offense relies on precise
timing and reads. Will Wynn really be prepared to run Chow's offense with less
than a month to prepare for USC and BYU?
MidMajorMentality4Ever even in a major conference"Utah now has
a new rival within their new conference. Colorado will now be our primary
rival."Colorado will simply be a traveling partner for Utah.
The fact that Utah fans continue to spam every BYU article is proof positive
that BYU is, and always will be, Utah's only true rival.Everything
Utah accomplishes will constantly be compared with BYU's accomplishments.There won't be any more Utah fans traveling to Boulder to see the Utes
play the Buffaloes, than used to travel to Laramie or Fort Collins.
@Hailstoned"Forward think this..What if Heaps get's
injured who goes in the game ?Munns,Nelson,Lark ?Who is the go to
guy or the second string qb ?" This is way too funny and I
can't resist, oh the irony!Spin this...Wynn is not 100%
and trying to come back, what if he get's injured, who goes in the game?
Do the Utes have second string QBs? Last report from Spring
camp was that they were... uh, throwing nothing in Red/White game. Can
anyone remember their names?I think what's so funny is that U
already know the names of the BYU backup QBs, as many do. Thanks for
The over-reach of the day goes to Duckhunter, who says "No one, I repeat,
NO ONE, grows up dreaming about playing for utah."Yeah, I'm
sure that never, I repeat NEVER happens.Hey, wait a minute, I grew
up dreaming of playing for Utah!CougFaninTX,I think
you're suggestion is pretty good, other than I believe you are underestimating
how tough it will be for BYU to get a win in Mississippi. I would guess that
the Cougars will lose 3 games this year - hopefully one to my Utes!
im still dumbfounded that ute fans think that they deserve to be the the top 25
after last year with bad losses to tcu, notre dame and boise then close wins
against SDSU AF and the game they should of lost BYU. if you get into the
preseason top 25 its only because your in the pac. utes fan which is
better, every other year when you dont play stanford and oregon and your going
7-5 to the vegas bowl or 6-6 to the poinsettia bowl which are the same bowls you
were going to in the mwc. Or attempting to go undefeated for the bcs, losing a
game and still playing in the vegas or poinsettia bowls......None.
@duckhunterI totally agree with you on the frequency of future byu
vs. Utah games. Each school has a new direction and the rivalry will never be
the same.Utah now has a new rival within their new conference.
Colorado will now be our primary rival. There will always be somewhat of a
rivalry with byu and Utah State but not like before. As the programs go their
seperate ways the rivalry will weaken. Based on the trash talking, jealously
and chest pounding on these posts, it's probably for the best.byu
will have the opportunity to play a many new programs but will have a more
difficult time in identifying a natural rival being independent.Best
of luck to both programs.
CougFaninTX, you're asking for feedback, so here's mine:First, I'm
curious why you have BYU at only 61% to beat Oregon State and but 69% beating
Utah. Aside from the odd percentages for which you give no data to support, do
you know that Jaquizz is now in the NFL? Perhaps your confidence in BYU's road
efforts is enough to question them beating a team that is picked to finish
fairly low in the Pac-12?Second, you're bell curve isn't bad, but it
clearly shows Cougar bias. I'd say there's similar odds BYU would finish 6-6 as
to 12-0.Finally, as bad as Idaho might seem, to equate them to Idaho
State, a team that went 1-11 in FCS last year, is a little extreme.Earlier I noticed you forgot to include the record for Texas' most recent
season, 2010, in which they went 5-7, including bad home losses to Iowa State
and UCLA. If they are predicted 5th in the Big-XII, it's for a reason. Still a
quality team for BYU to play, but let's not pretend this is Bama or Auburn.
Duhkunter;" I'm a forward thinker " As long as everything
is BYU . Forward think this.. What if Heaps get's injured who
goes in the game ? Munns,Nelson,Lark ? Who is the go to guy or the
second string qb ?
Last year I thought "reloaded" BYU would go 9-3 (@FSU, @TCU, @Utah)
... 7-6.Last year I thought Utah would go 10-2 (Pitt/TCU and @ND) ...
10-3 This year...BYUQuestions:1) Still has
to prove that they can beat an above .500 team on the road2) Heaps still
has to show that he can score 2+ TDs against such teamsPrediction: 7-4
(@Ol' Miss, @Texas, @OSU, TCU)UtahQuestions:1) Defense
was disappointing down the stretch (especially the secondary)2) Wynne
looked horriblePrediction: 8-3 (@USC, @Cal, @Pitt)Utah vs
BYU???As of today BYU has the slight edge playing @LES and Utah
playing some horrible football since 2007.
Veritas Aequitas "Take your check and run to the bank. That is what the PAC
has given the Utes a check, U still need respect."Respect, I
think being ranked in various top 25 preseason polls despite a rough end 2010
shows a lot of respect for Utah. More than few publications and websites have
Utah winning their division in their first year in the PAC 12; again respect.
Not mention being the only team called up from the Mid-Majors to an AQ
conference that isn't the Big Least. I would say over the last 10 years Utah
has done far more to garner respect than the Y and has subsequently been
rewarded for it. BTW I loved how you called me out on BYU thread
even though I don't post on them; unlike you on Utah treads; classic.
I can picture hedgehog's analysis of BYU's 2011 season:12-0 0%11-1 0%10-2 0%9-3 0%8-4 0%7-5 0%6-6 0%5-7
less than 0%1-11 0.000001%0-12 99.9999%Ole Miss - 0%Texas - 0%Utah - -100%UCF - 0%Utah
State - 0%San Jose State - 0%Oregon State - 0%Idaho State - 0.0001%TCU - 0%Idaho - 0%New
Mexico State - 0%Hawai'i - 0%
Stocky I really don't care if you think you are a real fan and I'm not. I've
been around awhile myself, attended my 1st game in the late 60's, so don't try
to pretend you somehow have a corner on tradition.The fact is times
change and scheduling utah every year is going to be a pain because their
conference dictates they can only play in September. One of the main attractions
of independence to me is the opportunity to play a variety of teams from around
the country and if we lock ourselves in to playing utah in September every year
it is going to be at the expense of playing another school that we maybe haven't
had the chance to play yet. I'm a forward thinker, and while I
wouldn't mind playing utah occasionally I don't need to play them every year to
satisfy some nostalgic yearning. I say we put them on a once every 3rd year
rotation along with usu. Play one of them one year, one of them the next year
and neither of them the 3rd year. I really wouldn't miss them at all.
"I crunched a bunch of data, and came up with some interesting
Uh little williExactly one of those players went to utah. One. Nice
try but fail. LOL
Sorry, I don't usually make multiple posts on an article, but there is so little
sports news right now, I feel compelled to make one more point. (Way too much
time on my hands.)After reading the article one more time, and
looking at the "experts" results from last year I think my analysis is
probably just as accurate as the experts. I crunched a bunch of data, and came
up with some interesting results. I've listed below my best
estimate of BYU's probability of achieving a specific record along with my best
estimate of BYU's probability of beating each of their opponents. Let me know
what you think, if you're not from Ann Arbor.12-0 7%11-1
16%10-2 38%9-3 29%8-4 11%7-5 6%6-6 2%5-7 less than 1%Ole Miss - 71%Texas - 42%Utah - 69%UCF - 74%Utah State - 82%San
Jose State - 92%Oregon State - 61%Idaho State - 99%TCU - 37% Idaho - 99%New Mexico State - 97% Hawai'i - 68%
Texas will not be 5th in the Big 12-2. Behind OK they will be in the mix with
A&M, and probably ahead of OK St. Ole MS is always difficult as they have a
decent defense. TCU will reload and have the kinks worked out by the time they
play BYU. Utah should be a toss up with AZ St for the South. I said
that a month ago. That is not because Utah is good it is because the South is
WEAK and USC can't play post season. USC may have lost some depth but they still
have a lot of talent and pride. Losing to Utah is not on thier agenda. If Utah has problems with MT St it will be a long season.
williary | 3:46 p.m. May 16, 2011 Kearns, UT @DuckhunterUSC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Washington. (Teams Utah will
play in RES every other year...forever.)====So please
join Hedge in the letter writing to Dr. Hill....So the Utes don't
get to play on National TV. No biggie, they can play regional. And, if they go
undefeated (2008), the BCS will get them in the game for the crystal trophy?It will take a few years of winning the PAC before Utah gets a shot at
the title. The BCS is as honest as boxing.Take your check and run to
the bank. That is what the PAC has given the Utes a check, U still need
respect.Is Dr. Hill stupid in scheduling the one team he knows that
will get his team exposure?You kids answer that question.
williaryYou must be dizzy from all of that spinning.You
consider a road game against a ranked team a pushover because Texas isn't quite
up to "Texas standards".You don't consider TCU a road game
because they have to travel a whole 19 miles from TCU's home stadium, while BYU
has to travel over 1200 miles?You consider a road game against an
SEC team a pushover, and yet you probably expect us to believe that Utah's road
games at Pitt, at USC, at California and at Arizona are going to be tough
games.I noticed you passed on the challenge to name the two ranked
road opponents on Utah's schedule.The reality is Utah has ZERO
ranked road opponents. In fact, Utah's only ranked opponent, Arizona State, is
ranked about the same as Texas, and Utah plays the Sun Devils at home.No, BYU's overall schedule isn't tougher than Utah's overall schedule, but
BYU's toughest opponents are easily better than Utah's toughest opponents.
I don't feel like we should be playing Utah. What does it benefit us? If we
loose I have to hear my cousins talk about how they beat this year. If we win,
it's not like we'll get anything from it. We're already getting the best LDS
recruits. Why do we need to beat the Utesies to show the recruits to come to
TCU will be tough again this year. The only two teams of consequence they play
are BYU and Boise State. If they get by those two, they will be a BCS buster
for the third year in a row. I give a slight edge to TCU since the game is in
Texas, but I'm hoping for a couple of breaks and a BYU win.Anyone
predicting University of Texas "is in a mess", doesn't know Texas
football. See their record since the turn of the century below. They've had a
winning season in 105 out of 117 seasons. Their last losing season was 1997.
They will be back to their winning ways again this year. I'm just hoping one of
their loses will be to the team in blue.TEXAS RECORD2001
11-22002 11-22003 10-32004 11-12005 13-02006
10-32007 10-32008 12-12009 13-1
DuckySorry buddy but I have to agree with Mormon Ute on this one... Like I
said earlier... you're treading hallow ground that was laid long before you came
around. Go read what I told you earlier about Tradition...then come back to the
table with a little more respect... there's a lot of reason for the heat of the
rivalry and 1984 is just a small part of it. Both Whittingham and Chow are
another aspect as well...both still highly respecteed by older BYU fans who
still appreciate thier contributtions to the Cougars. We don't just turn and
give ground...but we don't stab in the back either. Utey's and Zoobies might do
that... but the true dyed in the wools don't. The Rivalry needs to be
maintained regardless of what zoobies and utey's think. That's the Taditional
way to look at it.
Mormon Ute, If the rivalry game was that important to the U, why didn't
Pres Young, and Dr Hill insist that the game be played in November like it has
been for the past 65 years, rather than just agreeing to everything the PAC-12
wanted them to, including the new pact that states that all non-conference games
be played by Oct 1st, except for Notre Dame vs USC. USC wouldn't sign it. But
Utah is a sell-out program. Always has been and always will be. If the rivalry
were about tradition then Utah would have demanded that their new beloved
conference, that wanted them soo soo much, let them play their traditional rival
at the traditional time. But Utah sold that tradition to the PAC. I say that BYU
drops Utah from their schedule. We need tougher competition anyway. Maybe we
could add SUU, they're ranked #17 in the FCS, that's about where Utah will
finish this year.
Duckhunter,"BYU does not need to play utah to keep getting
their recruits, those guys will come anyway. I wouldn't mind ending this charity
game to utah." LOL.I don't think the annual rivalry game is a
charity game for either side. It's played because it's a rivalry that goes back
long before money or exposure or TV deals or recruiting had anything to do with
college sports. I'd like to see it continue for the sake of tradition.If you think the game has become ho hum you must be a fair weather fan with no
sense of tradition and history. Some of the greatest drama in college sports
has been seen in that game over the years and for the past 15 years or so it has
been impossible to pick the winner before the game.LDS recruits?
Around 50% of our team is LDS. I think that's pretty good.Middle of
the road PAC-12, I don't think so. Of course I wouldn't expect any different
opinion from you. Fortunately there are plenty of objective observers putting
the Utes much higher than that.
Big TimeCougDon't underestimate Chow's ability... fortunately for BYU this
year the team is transitioning to him and not vice versa... so with his
multitude of complex plays it's going to take a year or two for the utes to
adjust... and Jordan Wynn is going to need a lot of protection bigger than
what they have now. ...Even Kyle has to be cognizant of that impact picture
despite playing on the Defense while Norm was at the Y. Knuheisel idiotically
kept the Chow Genie in the bottle and never let him out at UCLA. By the time
Utah gets going full speed in about two years Sarkesian will also have a much
improved Huskie team going at Washington. USC may find themselves left in the
dust. I think a resurgence of the old PAC will be coming back in a couple of
years... but the SEC will still be the top dog.
@Truth MachineCan you identify the last season when Texas was not
ranked in the top 15 to start a season? Weren't they top 5 before last seasons
4-8 debacle? The fact that they are in the low 20's shows what a
"mess" they are, in Texas standards.Is the TCU game on
TCU's home field? Sorry, not a road game. Are you really going to
try and say a team with 6 WAC games has a more difficult schedule than Utah?
@DuckhunterUSC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, ASU,
Washington. (Teams Utah will play in RES every other year...forever.)Yeah, Utah needs BYU on the schedule. (Sarcasm off)Central
Florida, Utah State, San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State,
Hawaii, Oregon State. (Teams BYU is scheduled to play at LES the next 2
seasons.)Yes, BYU ABSOLUTLY needs Utah on their schedule, especially
at home. Pac-12 vs. Independent.Yes, BYU needs Utah on
their schedule. They will need all the BCS teams they can find.Harvey Langi, Ricky Heimuli, Xavier Suofilo, John Martinez.Recent
top players in Utah (ESPN rankings), who are LDS, who all went to a Pac-12
school instead of BYU.Yes, BYU ABSOLUTLY needs to beat Utah to
continue even being in the conversation with these types of kids.
Sports AuthorityThe big question will be..Will Utah have any fans other
than BYU hybids who follow both teams at their away games???...who else have
they got out there that they can draw...there just isn't that many true dyed in
the wool uteys spread across this country. Not like BYU has.
willaryRivals#15 TCU#25 TexasCBS Sports#16 TCU#23 TexasESPN#18 TCU#22 TexasSports Illustrated#8 TCU#25 UtahNationalChamps#13 TCU#24 TexasAthlon#15 TCU#24 TexasWhy don't you explain why your analysis differs so drastically from that of
the "experts"?And while you're at it, go ahead and
identify the two Top 25 road games on Utah's schedule.
"Oh there will always be players like Jake Murphy that couldn't cut it at
BYU"Ducky,Did you "cut it" at BYU?
@failstormOh there will always be players like Jake Murphy that
couldn't cut it at BYU and will wind up at utah. Congrats on that. I don't have
a clue who Jo Smith is, must have been a big time "get" for utah. I'm
sure he'll do great things for them.But I'm perfectly serious about
utah needing that game more than BYU ever does. Sure BYU can use the schedule
filler, being independent does make scheduling more of a challenge, but as far
as needing the game for bigger meanings, well it is utah that needs it.The majority of the LDS athletes grow up dreaming about playing for BYU. No
one, I repeat, NO ONE, grows up dreaming about playing for utah. For utah to get
those athletes they have to beat BYU and they have to be at the top of the pac
regularly. Since the latter is not going to be the case their best bet is to
schedule and beat BYU. Good luck with that.All BYU has to do to get
those Athletes is win games. It doesn't matter who they play. They don't need
Bigtiemcoug,I am sure that the writer did do his due diligence when
he wrote this article. I am certain that he watched as Utah fell apart against
TCU, had no heart against Notre Dame, saw as they barely beat SDSU, and Ybu,
then had no offense with a backup QB in the bowl game. They are basing it off
the fact that USC cannot win the Pac 12 South, (unless their appeal goes
through), that ASU always falls apart, that AZ fell apart much worse than the
UTES did at the end of the year, and UCLA and CO are pathetic. I for one am a
UTE fan that does not think that we will win the Pac 12 South our 1st year,
andmaybe even the 2nd year until we get some more Pac 12 players, or we have
some lucky breaks. I believe in coach Whit, but the lack of depth we have at QB,
questions at RB, & some big spots to fill in the defensive backfield, I
think that the UTES will win between 7-9 games. If they dont have injuries,
& get on a roll, who knows. I am hoping for the best.
True Blue, I am not shooting from the hip when I say that Bronco
coached teams lose games early in the season, even when the have 11-2 seasons. A
coach helps, but that is not going to make the receivers not drop balls. Your
receivers coach is known for perfectly run routes,& this should get them
more open, but it will not help them with the YIPS of dropping balls. Your team
does have one more year of experience, when that winning experience is against
lesser teams, without a win against a team well over .500, that 1 more year of
experience will not hlep as much as you think. Also, you lost the best DB/Safety
last year that Byu has ever had. Losing him will cost Byu more than losing 3 or
4 starters from the D line, & linebackers. Filling in and plugging holes on
the D line & the LB position is a ton easier than the DB/Saftey spots. If
you dont believe me, go as Whit and Bronco. the future maybe bright for Byu, but
this year there will still be a huge learning curve for Heaps, & the rest of
@TheSportsUnauthorityPlease breakdown BYU's schedule and talk about
how difficult it is. On paper, has some names. Names that are really, really
struggling. Ole Miss is absolutly terrible. Texas is in a mess after last
year, and replacing all coordinators. TCU replacing Dalton, and how many other
draftees? Utah, well Utah has no quarterback as you say, and will never win a
Pac-12 game from what I'm reading on these sites from Cougar fans. Those are the 4 non-WAC games this year for BYU aren't they. Oh yeah, South
Florida? Where is the difficulty in that schedule? Outside of TCU,
Utah and South Florida, any teams with winning records from last year? And two
of those at home, one on a neutral field. Care to differ?
So, who wrote the article on the PAC 12 south? Whoever it was obviously didn't
witness Utah crash and burn at the end of last season. Do they really believe
Norm Chow will make a difference? And they think Utah is going to beat USC in
the Coliseum in week 2? Even if I were a Utah fan, I'd have to admit it's all
williaryYou'd better hope that BYU's schedule isn't nearly as easy
as you're cluelessly predicting, or a very good BYU team team will be a lock for
an undefeated season and the whiney BYU haters who troll the DN blogs will be
full panic mode.The big question for Utah fans should be "Will
Utah have a quarterback this year?" Utah fans seem to have an
unrealistic amount of confidence in an undersized, timid quarterback who was
dreadful in every big game he played in last season and who may or may not fully
recover from season-ending shoulder surgery.
Papa Smurf UTE "What has BYU done and gained?"Your analysis is so far off-base it's laughable. Obviously, you're simply
shooting from the hip without a clue what you're talking about.Not
only is Jake one year more experienced, the whole BYU team is one year more
experienced - 10 of 11 starters, plus redshirt Ross Apo, are back on offense,
plus 8 of 11 starters on defense.With a coach famous for NEVER
dropping passes coaching the wide receivers, BYU receivers will rarily drop a
catchable pass. BYU is very deep at every position, even at their historically
thinnest position, defensive back.10 regular season wins is very
possible and a one-loss or undefeated season is not out of the realm of
byu could totally win the national title this year and make Utah look really bad
in doing it.We'll probably be better than any bcs team.
BYU 6-5 to the Armed Forces Bowl vs East CarolinaUtah 7-4 to the Sun Bowl
Sporting News? Just another conspiracy group trying to keep down BYU. The real question is will BYU have more than 1 victory over a team with
a winning record this year? Ole Miss, awful. Texas, coming off 4-8
right? TCU, talented but breaking in a new QB for the first time in 4 years.
Utah, doormats of the Pac-12 right Cougar fans? Talk about an easy
schedule. I'm anticipating to purchase my "Quest For Perfection 2011"
T-Shirt anyday now.
My prediction:That none of the above predictions will come true.The only reason these magazines make predictions is to sell magazines. Even
they know there's not much chance that they are right. Compare
pre-season and post-season rankings for the past few years. They're not even
Bluehusky,What has Byu done and gained to make you think that you
will win at least 10 games this season? Heaps is 1 year more experienced, but
that is about it. You guys didnt gain that much in the land of recruits that
will come and help you out. Your awesome receivers drop every ball that comes
their way. Heaps may be1 year better, but still cannot throw a touch pass to
save his life. You have a good O line, but your D will still get lit up like a
christmas tree against teams with speed. Which 4 of your first 5 to 6 teams will
have. It the kewgs have 10 wins at the end of the season, I will be the 1st to
say I was wrong. However, with the early schedule Byu has, and their lack of
depth, I am sure that Byu will not have more than 8 wins.
Careful Ducky...You're treading on hallowed ground. Some of us have split
loyaty families and nothing is more pleasing than to have the bragging rights
for a whole year expecially on the upcoming game day as well as
Thanksgiving...Christmas...and New Years when the family gets together.There is
nothing like Tradition...and there is nothing more dastardly than breaking
Traditions. That's why BYU's 1984 National National Championship is so vexing
to not only utey's but to the entire College Football world. The 1984 NC broke
the two biggest and longgest standing College Football Traditions of all time.
No school before or since has done what BYU did when they won a National
Championship not on New Years day in a bowl that was not a Hallowed Shrine of
College Football...and noone ever will again. We are the Original and we are
the only True Bowl Busters. We are also the impetus for College Football to
have to break with the longest standing traditions of College football.
Yup Duckhunter,We need those games, and to be on national TV to get
those recruuits. We had not even played a Pac 12 game yet, and we got 2 top LDS
recruits from your own back yard that you were going after, and another from
Bingham. Seems to me like being on national TV, and playing those games against
you does not matter. Just having the Pac 12 name associated with the UTES is all
TrueBlue; With wins over such powerhouses as New Mexico State and Idaho ?
Seven out of twelve games at home ? And who doesn't think that Bronco helped
schedule Hawaii in the islands so that after the game he sends the team home and
surfs a few weeks ? With all of the patsies on the schedule and the games at RES
I agree, BYU might have a winning record for 2011.. maybe not 11-2 but more like
9-4 or even 8-5 if Heaps gets hurt. Who knows ? We have the next 6 months to let
the teams sort it all out.
I think Utah is going to have a lot of "trap" games in the PAC12. This
will be far and away the toughest schedule they will have played to date. You
think Arizona and ASU are easy? Hmmm. They 're not.Washington?
Licking my chops. OSU? Cal? All trap games.I'll frankly be surprised
if Utah is bowl eligible in 2011. Go ahead and surprise me.BYU?
We'll, I'm betting on 10-2, because someone will screw up somewhere and BYU will
lose a game or two they should have won. Texas and Oregon State look tough to
me. TCU will be OK but not great - they lost everybody last year.And YES! I will be in Oxford MS and probably Dallas. Go Cougs. Independence
will be fun.
hedgieBreak out the dramamine because you're going to need it after
all of your spinning today.The Utes need the BYU-Utah game just as
much as BYU; how else are trolls like you going to prove which team is better,
especially when BYU is finishing with 11-2 records and ranked in the Top 25, and
Utah is finishing with 8-5 records and unranked?
Riverton cougar,Your comment: BYU is in a better situation because
most of their hard games are up front and BYU tends to do well in the first few
weeks of the season (at least the first two weeks; fortunately the week 3
opponent this year won't embarass BYU like the past couple of years).Go back and look at Bronco's track record of early season games as a head
coach at Byu. Other than 08 when he has the easiest schedule ever to start a
year off, Bronco & the cougars have had the majoirty of their losses at the
beginning of the year. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Byu would lose
at least 3 of their first 6 games. Looking at the past, which is what people do
to predict the future, I would be willing to predict and bet on this happening.
Once Bronco has a decent opening schedule (which he does this year for sure) and
wins all of those games, then and only then we might be able to say that Byu
does not lose early.
BYU fans are silly. Delusional, but silly nonetheless.Looking
forward to an interesting season. Hopefully the Utes don't have too many
growing pains with the most difficult schedule any football team in this state
has ever faced.
You out did yourself today Duck. Quite possibly the most narcissistic set of
comments to date. I know some will say that the Utah County Cougars are
egotistical and arrogant but you just out did them all. So the article in
Sporting News means nothing and your crystal balls have given you visions and
insights beyond that of the writers for notable sports magazines ? And Jake
Murphy, Joseph Smith, and others of the LDS faith are only there because of BYU
? What ? To qouote the Duhkunter... " ROFL LOL LOL "
What a joke the Utes will finish at 6-6 OR 5-7 and will get destroyed by 30+
points to bYU
There are at least 5 games on BYU's schedule this year that I am looking forward
to more than the utah game. BYU plays utah every year so it is simply same old
same old and not really exciting. Also I think utah will be extremely mediocre
this year and not really much of a game to watch. It wouldn't bother me at all
to quit scheduling utah although I don't think that is going to happen. Utah has
to play that game, and win it, to have any hope with instate and LDS recruits.
Being a perenially middle of the pac10 team with little to no
national tv coverage is not going to get those recruits for utah, and they
simply have to have them as they will mostly lose the recruiting battles for the
4 and 5 star guys to the much more presitgious pac10 schools like usc, oregon,
ucla, washington, asu, au, cal, osu and stanford although they should recruit ok
against cu and wsu. BYU does not need to play utah to keep getting
their recruits, those guys will come anyway. I wouldn't mind ending this charity
game to utah.
Preseason is meaningless.The Comments on this board are
meaningless.The only thing that matters is the number of wins and
the number of losses for each team at the end of the season.But that
won't shut up the trolls.They obviously don't have anything better
to do than to stock BYU articles and try to disparage the team.I
however have better things to do.I'm out.
Wow, good luck, utes. BYU has been to the Holiday Bowl about 10 times. This
PAC-12 deal really is helping you see life from the top.
Someone call for help . . . Ann Arbor has fallen overboard.BYU vs
Utah will continue to be a great rivalry game, but to call it "all the
Cougs have" is preposterous. It's certainly not the milestone game it was
in prior years. I'm afraid the Utes will no longer be ranked by the time they
get to Provo.Frankly, I'm looking forward to several bigger games
this year. The upcoming series with Texas, one of the top 5 hallowed programs
in all of college football, will have all of Cougar Nation and Orange Bloods
tuned in. And to play TCU in the best stadium in all of college football is
monumental. By the way, this is our second visit to Cowboy stadium. How many
times have the Utes been invited? So go ahead, write your letter to
Dr. Hill, and see if you can stop this "trap game" and play another
cupcake like Montana St - moving the Utes towards insignificance. Also,
removing the Utes from any nationally televised games. The Cougars
will continue to seek out the best competition we can find and continue to
elevate our program, soon to include Notre Dame, West Virginia, and others.
HedgieLike I said before...You are extremely myoptic...You can't see very
far ahead...in fact unless you smell something you can't even tell what it is.
That's the way of life for a Hedgehog. You chose it...I didn't. 2011 is just a
beginning...an Amazing beginning for BYU all things considered. Future years
already are replacing the Idaho's and the Idaho States with the likes of Texas,
USC and Notre Dames so there is nothing to worry about. One year does not make
or break a program. Montana State isn't exactly Alabama nor is the PAC anything
close to the SEC. The only difference is that your PAC menu came with
previously preset menu items. All you and the conference had to do was fill in
@Ann from Arbor 10:48...I'm guessing that both teams NEED to
schedule the best opponents possible.As fun as it's been to watch
Utah fans fear BYU over the years, this years fear (exhibited by yourself, and
the other haters), combined with the arrogance of "fully invited", is
especially delightful and humorous.However, reading your rambling
get's tiresome.I guess we can finish this conversation in September?
utes to make it to a bcs game you have to either win the pac 12 or lose in the
championship game only if the winner is selected for the title game. this year
you basically got the bottom half of the league, but you still will have to play
either oregon or stanford to get there. you will have a bulls eye on your back
every week and the pac isn't the mwc, you actually have a better chance to get
to a bcs bowl in the mwc. utes have always called byu fans delusional. welcome
to the party pal.
Razzle2 said,"I've been wondering...if Utah gets beat up by AZ
State and AZ State loses to Oregon and Stanford; who is the South Division
Champion? (Assuming Utah wins the rest of the conference games?)"The answer is simple, Utah. Under that scenario Utah would only have one
conference loss and AZ State would have two. The team in the division with the
best conference record wins the division.
Hedgie's on the run boy's... he can't even put out a proper complete
sentence...it's... AQ games Hedgie...games... and if the Cougs do have
"game" like you yourself just said they do...and like we already know
they do... then we're set. So good luck in the preasean to try and take it away
from BYU. Anae won't be there to help you this time.
hedgehog | 10:37 a.m. May 16, 2011"Why play a game against a team
that circles the date as thier biggest game of the year (bigger than any bowl
game)and determined to take cheap shots in the name of honor."Good point hedgie, but BYU scheduled it anyway and will be ready for any cheap
shots that may their way. Oh wait, were you talking about Utah? Oh sorry, my
bad. In that case, Utah scheduled it so they could get on national
television.Seriously though, it's the fans of both schools that
circle the date on their calenders and not the teams. The teams usually focus
on their next game. Personally, I'm more excited about the Ole Miss and Texas
@hedgehog last year the utes lost 3 of 5 and escaped a byu loss. byu will be
improved this year if i were a team up north fan with a new offence and a QB
coming off surgery, id be real nervous about playing byu in game #3 instead of
game #12. by the looks of the spring game he better stay healthy or your season
is over. look for a scare with mt and a loss to usc.its laughable
that utes say were doing byu a favor by playing them. remember the utes do
benefit by playing byu only if they win. mid level bcs teams cant play all
cupcakes and get a sniff at their own mythical NC.
"If BYU loses any games, there goes a shot at any BCS. It seems BYU has
more to lose."Buster,But you see busted...the kewgs
NEED these types of games. Beating Idaho st. does not further your cause in
reaching a BCS game. As for Utah? Zero need to play BYU as thier BCS aspirations
are connected to the invite to the "conference of champions
@Utah Ute...you're confused on what "Lock in" means...It means
guaranteed not restricted. If a better offer comes to BYU. It has the right to
accept that better offer. Teams do not become slotted unless they accept a bid
or are restrictedly tied by their conference ties to a bowl...and even those
have some play room.
"Would you rather Utah schedule more cup-cakes?"Buster,hmmmm yes. You see, these non AQ cames against BYU are nothing more than
practice games. Why play a game against a team that circles the date as thier
biggest game of the year (bigger than any bowl game)and determined to take cheap
shots in the name of honor.This game is all the kewgs have...I'd
love nothing more than to take it away.
hedge,I see your delusional as well as the usual obsessed today.Utah
has been given a "gift" with the easiest conference schedule in the
pac. They could go undefeated in the south division and implode at the end of
the season like they did last year. I expect they will have a couple of losses
before the pac championship game though. They lost several of their best players
and are inexperienced as key skill positions.BYU has everything to prove
this year and their schedule is a little easier than it appears. The biggest
games on their schedule, TCU, Texas, and Miss are all rebuilding or coming off
of below average years including Utah. All they have to do is manage their games
and avoid mistakes and they should have a great year with 10-12 wins.
Well, if Sporting News said it then is must be fact and in that case why even
play the games? Crown their "you know what" and lets move on.I still think the Utes lose 3-4 games this year. @USC, @BYU, @Arizona and
Oh and yes Hedgie I almost forgot. Jack Murphy stadium... there in San Diego.
that's where time literally stood still in 1984 and the two biggest long
standing time honored traditions in College Football were not only
"Busted"... but broken. It became in 1984... and remains today the
only stadium in all of College Football before the creation of the Bowl Alliance
or the Bowl Championship Series today to Crown a National Champion for a game
that was not played on the Holiest of Days in College Football... i.e New Years
and not in what are still considered the 3 most holiest of shrines. The Sugar
Bowl...The Orange Bowl or "The Grandaddy of Them All..." The Rose
Bowl. Now that's True Bowl Busting!!! The Fiesta Bowl is not one of the Holy
Shrines. It really doesn't even belong in the same class as the other 3. The
Cotton Bowl should have been the obvious choice. The Fiesta is and will always
remain a last minute add on and a Johnny come lately bowl to create a new
manipulative and exclusionary system for arbitrarily insuring the crowning of a
National Champion from a bogus limited field
Razzle2 | 9:02 a.m. Bluffdale, UT If Utah loses all of their
non-conference games and AZ State; they can still play in the PAC-12 Champions
Game for the Rose Bowl. ===How is that a problem? If
they run the PAC, that's the Bowl Tie-in.===========hedgehog |
9:22 a.m. Ann Arbor, MI "Because utah doesn't benefit
from such a match up. Y should Utah schedule trap games? It makes no
sense...expect that Dr. Hill is charitable." ===Would you rather Utah schedule more cup-cakes?If BYU - Utah is a
trap game, you haven't been following the rivalry long. Besides, the Utes can
lose all noconference games, and run the PAC, they are in the Rose Bowl.If BYU loses any games, there goes a shot at any BCS. It seems BYU has
more to lose.Also, the game give Utah a chance to play on national
TV, thanks to BYU's independent TV contract.It seems to me that
Holmoe is doing Hill a favor getting the U on TV.But, if an
independent BYU scares the BCS Ute fans, maybe a letter writing campaign can get
U out of the game?
wow the utes get a crumb and open the flood gates. considering you basically
have the same team as last year your going to the poinsettia bowl if any.
Oh, man. I can't wait to see the SMACK DOWN Arizona State is gonna put on the
Utes this year.Reality Check...hand delivered by the Sun Devils!!Also...for once in my life I will be rooting for the University of
Arizona. Wildcats kick some Ute tail.
@ OU812"Heaps is still only a Soph, so can't really expect detmer
like numbers this soon."Are you saying that Heaps, a soph, will not
have Detmer soph numbers? What is your logic?
Hedgie... Define a Doormate for me. I'm not clear exactly what that is. It
sounds...I don't know...you tell me. And as far as this article goes...like the
author states at the beginning...you take it with a grain of Salt...a big grain
of salt. You'll like Jack Murphy Stadium though. Tell Wynn he
better practice his throwing and get that arm loosened up. He's got a lot of BYU
passing records there to surpass. Good Luck.
Riverton CoogNice try, but undefeated and 12-0 are not the same
thing. When byU beats everyone on their schedule twice, come to the table.SammygThe only thing you got is TV smack? lolGood times
"Is BYU the better team? Utah should win, and prove their position in the
rankings, right?So, what is your concern?"Because
utah doesn't benefit from such a match up. When the Utah game is the BIGGEST
thing on the kewg schedule ( and possible the 10 most important of the Utes)
that's a problem.Y should Utah schedule trap games? It makes no
sense...expect that Dr. Hill is charitable.
Utah Utes: Preseason National Champions.
It just hit me how messed up this is...If Utah loses all of their
non-conference games and AZ State; they can still play in the PAC-12 Champions
Game for the Rose Bowl. I hate the BCS.
hedgehog | 8:40 a.m. May 16, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI "so let
me get this straightBased on Sporting News It appears as if
only Utah and TCU will be ranked teams that the kewgs cougs will play next
year.As I've said many times before. BYU needs the Utah game soooo
much more than utah needs the kewgs."===Hedge,What do you see as the problem?Is BYU the better team? Utah
should win, and prove their position in the rankings, right?So, what
is your concern?
I've been wondering...if Utah gets beat up by AZ State and AZ State loses to
Oregon and Stanford; who is the South Division Champion? (Assuming Utah wins the
rest of the conference games?)
so let me get this straightBased on Sporting News It appears
as if only Utah and TCU will be ranked teams that the kewgs cougs will play next
year.As I've said many times before. BYU needs the Utah game soooo
much more than utah needs the kewgs.Dr. Hill - get rid of this
If Wynn stays healthy, I think the Utes will challenge for the Pac 12 south
title. They'll find a running back and get things working quickly. If Wynn
goes down, it could be a long season. I think BYU goes 11-1 with
slip up at Texas. The bowl situation is ugly, but I'll take it to have all
their games on TV. Better bowl games will come in the near future.
Texas and Ole Miss need to get ranked before BYU gets ranked. Which will
When anyone talks of u schedule tougher they are assuming the pac10 is that
tough. Take Ore and Stanford out and there is not anyone of meaning including
Uteology | 1:21 p.m. May 8, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas About Heaps
on Anthon..."Yeap its preseson BYU's time of year."=== Now it seems that preseason has meaning.It makes
you question, are they saying that Utah with a questionalble QB, and no running
back is that good, or is the PAC-12 south tha bad?Can't wait to not
be able to see the games on TV for the nation to draw their own conclusions...
KamutantWhat channel are you guys on this fall? I'm still waiting to
hear an answer.Here, have a table scrap, also known as charity,
you're on ESPN2 for one game.You're welcome.
@CougFaninTX 11:03Your comment is the most well thought out and
realistic thing I've read on this board so far. My personal opinion
is, Utah will finish either 6-6 or 7-5 while BYU will finish 9-3 or 10-2. But
since the Utes will have the tougher schedule and is the one school from the
Beehive State everybody is expecting the most from, any winning season, their
first year in the PAC-12, should be respectable.
"Unless they go 12 - 0, something they have only done once in their
history, they are locked into the bowls they signed with."Actually, they have gone 12-0 twice. The second time was in 2001 when BYU
finished their 12th game to go 12-0, just to find out right before their 13th
game that they were "dismissed from consideration" for a BCS bowl.
Combine that heartbreak with player injuries and they lose their last two games.
(Just a side note, 8 of those games were broadcast on ESPN)By the
way, what was Utah's record when they got their BCS bowl games? And they say
they broke the system on their own.... BSU and BYU helped them out. If BYU nor
BSU had gone 12-0 before, Utah would have been the one "dismissed from
consideration".I also stand by what I said about a division
title for Utah.
I don't see BYU making a BCS bowl game at 11-1 let alone 10-2. Regardless, I see
losses to Ole Miss, Texas and TCU as a best case scenario IMO. More likely add
OSU and UCF. Heaps is still only a Soph, so can't really expect detmer like
numbers this soon.
This is going to be an exciting season with all the changes.First
Utah - I think the success of the season depends on Wynn's shoulder and the
running game. Wynn struggled the second half of the season. For starters, Utes
have to hope the surgery was successful and gets him back to 100%. There
doesn't apprear to be any strength behind Wynn. Second the running game is a
big question mark. Will Langi be able to be an impact player his Freshman year?
I think USC will surprise a lot of teams this year. I think they'll shake off
last year, and be back to a Top 25 team (maybe Top 10). I recognize I have some
bias, but at USC and at Provo will be the toughest games for Utah.BYU will have a shot at a BCS bowl if they only have one loss to a Top 25 team
on the road. Texas will be better than this article predicts and will compete
for a Big 12 championship. At Texas and at TCU will be the toughest games for
BYU. Heaps will show he's a stud. BYU will finish at least 10-2.
Exciting stuff as the preseason predictions are starting to come out! I'm
hoping the Utes live up to these expectations. I know it is a lot to hope for a
Division title, but obviously not impossible. Can't wait for fall.
Obviously BYU fans weren't listening their AD. Unless they go 12 - 0, something
they have only done once in their history, they are locked into the bowls they
signed with. It would take a lot of things to change that. It only happened
for Boise last year because their slotted bowl, the humanitarian was willing to
lose them. And the team slotted in the bowl, a PAC 10 team in this case has to
vacate the bowl. NO team slotted in a higher bowl will vacate that bowl,
meaning it will be the Armed Forces, Fight Hunger or Vegas Bowl, taking A slot
from the PAC, ACC or some other big six conference team. BTW the lowest ranked
PAC bowl, the New Mexico bowl, anyone for a return trip to ABQ.
My prediction is that, for the first time ever, I will be able to watch every
BYU game on TV. Leaving the Mountain West was a huge access upgrade for fans. I
streamed the '09 BYU-OU game on-line last night. And I am excited to know that
every game will be available in that same manner this year.
hedgehog"It's either the Helecopter bowl or a BCS game. No
other option."You're forgetting that the Armed Forces Bowl is
owned by ESPN. Boise State wasn't supposed to play in the Las Vegas Bowl last
year, but with ESPN pulling the strings, I would put a big TBD on BYU's bowl
destination if the Cougars don't play in a BCS bowl.KamUte"If I knew I was only going to the Armed Forces Bowl, I would stay in the
MWC."This is why you're not BYU's AD. Trading the MTN for ESPN
was the main motivation for leaving the MWC. BYU is already scheduled to play on
ESPN FIVE times this year, with more games possible depending on how the season
plays out. Regardless, EVERY BYU game will be on national television, on ESPN
Ah its that time of year again, preseason predictions. They always mean so much
dont they? I mean afterall were only 108 days away from kickoff and haven't even
had a fall practice yet. While its fun to talk about and try and project whats
gonna happen in the upcoming season, its hard to take preseason picks serious.
Alot is gonna happen and change between now until the end of the season that it
will look nothing like it does now at the end of the season. September cant get
here fast enough so we can see how it really all unfolds!
Utah could finish 1st in the PAC south, and BYU could go undefeated and reach a
BCS bowl game. All of BYU's games are winnable and all of Utah's games are
winnable, though likely the teams will lose a couple of games (more likely the
Utes will lose 3 or 4).The PAC is overrated, and Utah may struggle
getting used to playing all these new teams every week rather than the familiar
MWC teams they have been playing. BYU is in a better situation because most of
their hard games are up front and BYU tends to do well in the first few weeks of
the season (at least the first two weeks; fortunately the week 3 opponent this
year won't embarass BYU like the past couple of years). BYU's "new"
opponents in the later season should be almost guaranteed wins (except
Hawaii).It's not too early to talk college football (I love it, and
can't wait for it to start!), but it is too early to make an accurate
prediction. You may predict, but don't bet too much on it.
its really amazing how everybody can tell the future
Let's get the hockey playoffs done. Go canucks.
There are no expectations for the Cougars because nobody wants them. If I knew I
was only going to the Armed Forces Bowl, I would stay in the MWC. I
can guarantee that BYU be one of the top four Independents. Right behind Notre
Dame and Navy. They might be better than Army and that rounds out all the
"However, most of us have done our homework, collecting
information from the various schools and the leagues as well as some of the
coaches, so at least we know more than the average guy on the street."I wouldn't be so sure.
Well there you go Hedgie, Utes are hyped to win the South and the Holiday Bowl.
I can't wait to see this unfold and you said it, not me... pressure is on.It appears the Cougars have the opportunity to meet and exceed
expectations.Utes, not so much.
"Dont be so sure Mike that the Cougs are going to the Armed Forces Bowl. I
would say a BCS bowl is more likely!"One thing is for
"sure". It's either the Helecopter bowl or a BCS game. No other
Excited for football in the state of Utah. I'm probably more excited for the
Utah v BYU match up this year than ever. Although we are in different
conferences, I feel there is an added twist. BCS conference vs Independence.
Winner will get to remind the other all season who won. The game is going to be
on ESPN, people will start to see how intense this rivalry really is. Those who
are predicting a blow out are probably homers. Jordan Wynn is going
to be the biggest ? for the Utes. If he has his confidence, I think he will do
well. If he can play with the confidence and poise of the game vs Iowa State,
then he could be a very solid QB. I'm interested to see how he meshes with the
new offense. I think it will fit his style better. He's not meant to be a
spread QB. Excited to see how all the backs do. Langi should be fun to watch.
Again this can't be. Based on the troll experts Utah will be the doormates of
the PAC12.Personally I'd wish Utah would go undervalued...less
Dont be so sure Mike that the Cougs are going to the Armed Forces Bowl. I would
say a BCS bowl is more likely!