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  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    May 17, 2011 2:30 a.m.

    WhatsInItForMe,

    I AM old enough to remember.

    Even still, Michigan lost 5 games before their bowl game! Spin it any way you want, that is still 5 losses.

    I'm not suggesting that BYU didn't get what they deserved. But I am pointing out that no other team won a National Championship by beating an unranked team, who finished in the bottom half of their conference, in the "Championship Game."

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 16, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Most of you aren't old enough to remember.

    When BYU beat Michigan for the National Championship, they got the props (what this article is about) because the national voters knew that Michigan wasn't just ANY old 6-5 team.

    Why? Because Michigan had a fullback that was a holy terror to defenses. When he was injured for several games that year, Michigan lost all of those games. But when he was healthy, no Big 10 team could beat them.

    He was healthy against BYU.

    The voters all knew this, AND there wasn't any other undefeated team that year.

    You also have to look at what BYU's injured (lame) QB did that game to realize how big of a win it was. He couldn't evade defenders, but completed passes anyway because the O-line protected him well enough against a quality Big 10 defense.

    'Nuff said!

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    May 15, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Sweatpant:

    The only girls who thought they were the prettiest were already at the prom.
    There were many who elected not to go and were not so vain as to think association with the "cool" group would make them better and the envy of all. There were those not invited and those that elected not to go to that particular dance. Rather, they wanted to have the choice to do want they want without having to bow to the wishes of the "cool" bunch. Funny how they succeeded later.

    There will be lots of dances and parties later, wait and see.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 15, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    @wedgie

    I've posted on here many times that I am not sold on a playoff instead of bowls. I actually like the bowls, have been to many, and watch as many as I can every year.

    My issues with the bcs are that it thinks it can declare a national champion while excluding about half of the schools in D1. If they want to drop that charade and simply go back to the previous bowl system I am fine with it. But if a playoff was instituted I would be ok with that as well.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 15, 2011 1:11 a.m.

    Captain Sweatpants

    "I don't know whether they would have gone to the Rose Bowl if they had beaten the Buckeyes, but I do know that they finished unranked and 6th in their conference."

    Then you don't know enough about 1984 to form a valid opinion of Michigan.

    If Michigan(5-3) had beaten Ohio State(6-2), Michigan would have tied Ohio State, Purdue, and Illinois for the Big Ten championship, and having beaten Ohio State and Illinois, Michigan would have won the tie-breakers to represent the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl. Purdue didn't even play in a bowl game in 1984.

    In 1984, BYU rose from unranked (in the Top 20) to #8 IN TWO WEEKS! No team does that without having already established their legitimacy. That legitimacy was confirmed when BYU was selected concensus national champion by all five major selecting organizations.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    May 14, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    Skywalker says, "frankly, Michigan 1984 was a MUCH tougher opponent than Pittsburgh 2004....Michigan would have won the Big Ten and would have been playing in the Rose Bowl if the Wolverines hadn't lost their rivalry game at Ohio State 6-21."

    I don't know whether they would have gone to the Rose Bowl if they had beaten the Buckeyes, but I do know that they finished unranked and 6th in their conference.

    And regarding your claim that 2004 Pitt's pre-Fiesta Bowl ranking "was a gift from the BCS," the AP also "gifted" them with a top 20 ranking going into bowl season.

    TrueBlue says, "The only reason BYU wasn't ranked in the preseason poll was because they were replacing Steve Young with Robbie Bosco; most of the team from 1983 was back for 1984."

    Yet despite most of the players returning from a 11-1, #7 ranked team, the polls left BYU unranked in the preseason. Is that the "legitimacy" you were talking about from the 1983 campaign?

    My two questions still stand.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 14, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    BluCoug... what exactly is your point? The claim was that Utah beat two nationally ranked teams to cap their perfect seasons in 2004 and 2008 (Pittsburgh and Alabama).

    You reply that they beat MWC teams, not ranked teams. What are you talking about? One of two possibilities:

    1) You didn't understand his reference

    2) You thought he claimed the nationally ranked teams were at the end of the reg season. You blast his argument as weak because they played a MWC team, not a ranked out-of-conference team... thus those finishes weren't impressive.

    Well, that MWC team was BYU. Not showing a lot of respect for your own team there, pal.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 14, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    @itchy

    Faulty logic itchy. We can just as easily say utah was "lucky" that they were allowed into the bcs and that was only because BYU had paved the way for them. In 1996 was was excluded from the precursor to the BCS despite a 13-1 record and a top 10 ranking. Pressure was put onto the system because of that and it was changed to the bcs system. hen in 2001 BYU was "released" from BCS considereration despite being 12-0 and ranked in the top 10. Once again pressure was applied to the BCS because of that and it was again reformed to the current system that allowed utah to be invited 2 years later.

    In otherwords utah was "lucky" that the system was what it was when their 2004 season came along in exactly the same way BYU was "lucky" the system was what it was in 1984. Without that "luck" utah is not invited to the bcs and does not get the opportunity to beat up on a terrible Pittsburgh team. Instead they play in the Liberty Bowl against a team of probably the same quality as Pitt.

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    May 14, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    Skywalker

    Thanks for posting some interesting examples of past champions. However, it doesn't change the fact that BYU's 1984 championship would most likely have not happened if the currest BCS system existed back then. Likewise, if the Utes 1998 season had occured with the way things were back in 1984, I strongly believe they too would have been awarded a championship. Hence, the reason I stated that BYU was "lucky" while the Utes were not.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 14, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    Captain Sweatpants

    "BYU's "legitimacy" from a very good 1983 season got them this much - they were unranked in the 1984 preseason poll."

    The only reason BYU wasn't ranked in the preseason poll was because they were replacing Steve Young with Robbie Bosco; most of the team from 1983 was back for 1984.

    As soon as BYU knocked off pre-season #3 Pittsburgh on the road, the Cougars quickly jumped from just outside the Top 20, to 13th in the AP. The next week, BYU beat Baylor 47-13 and quickly jumped back into the Top 10 at #8, only one place lower than they finished in 1983.

    That would never have happened if not for the legitimacy BYU had established not only in 1983, but with all of these Top 20 Finishes leading up to 1984.

    1977 #20
    1979 #13
    1980 #12
    1981 #13
    1983 #7

    btw, BYU destroyed Washington 31-3 early the next season, and BYU was ranked #9 in the final regular season poll in 1985, before losing to Ohio State 10-7 in the Citrus Bowl and falling to #16 in the final poll.

    Legitimacy firmly established!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 14, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    Captain Sweatpants

    Frankly, Michigan 1984 was a MUCH tougher opponent than Pittsburgh 2004.

    Pittsburgh's ranking was a gift from the BCS, which panicked when BCS voters realized they were about to send an unranked team to a BCS game. The 2004 Panthers were unranked until the final week of the regular season, finished in a four-way tie for first in the 7-team Big East, and were quickly bounced out of the Coaches Poll, barely finishing #25 in the AP poll, after losing badly to Utah.

    Michigan began the season knocking off defending national champion Miami 22-14 and was ranked #3 in the country before a rash of injuries derailed their national championship hopes. Even so, Michigan would have won the Big Ten and would have been playing in the Rose Bowl if the Wolverines hadn't lost their rivalry game at Ohio State 6-21. By the time Michigan played BYU in the Holiday Bowl, the Wolverines were healthy and back to playing like they were at the beginning of the season.

    Washington, the team that finished 2nd to BYU in 1984, beat Michigan 20-11. BYU beat Michigan 24-17.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 14, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    itchy

    "BYU lucked out in that in 1984 all you had to do was be the only team left standing and you were automatically awarded the championship."

    If that were true, how do you explain these Final AP Polls?:

    1960 #1 Minnesota(8-1), #2 Mississippi(9-1)
    1965 #1 Alabama(9-1-1), #2 Michigan State(10-1)
    1966 #1 Notre Dame(9-0-1), #2 Michigan State(9-0-1), #3 Alabama(9-0)
    1968 #1 Ohio State(10-0), #2 Penn State(11-0)
    1969 #1 Texas(11-0), #2 Penn State(11-0)
    1975 #1 Oklahoma(11-1), #2 Arizona State(12-0)
    1982 #1 Penn State(11-1), #2 SMU(11-0-1)
    1993 #1 Florida State(12-1), #4 Auburn(11-0)
    1994 #1 Nebraska(13-0), #2 Penn State(12-0)
    1997 #1 Michigan(12-0), #2 Nebraska(13-0)
    2003 #1 USC(12-1), #2 LSU(13-1)

    Quite obviously having the best record or an undefeated season isn't the only criteria being chosen #1.

    In 1974, there were FIVE undefeated teams.

    Utah fans wouldn't get much sympathy from Penn State fans for being undefeated but not winning a NC.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    May 14, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    hohum,

    I think I'm following your analogy.

    The "cool kids" is the Pac 10.

    The cheerleader who didn't go to the prom with your buddy is Texas.

    Utah is the "filler" date that allowed your friend (Pac 10) to save face.

    What about that girl who had convinced herself that she was the prettiest girl in school, but didn't get invited to the prom? She played records in her basement, and claimed that her party was much better than the prom. Who is she?

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    May 14, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    It's obvious that the Utes 2 undefeated seasons were much more impressive than BYU's from back in the dark ages. Unfortunately, the timing of when Utah accomplished it stinks because there was no way the current system is set up for a mid-major to ever win the national championship. Remember, the Utes were the ONLY undefeated team left in 2008 and were still denied the championship. If the current system existed in 1984 then I guarantee you that BYU would have been on the outside looking in too. BYU lucked out in that in 1984 all you had to do was be the only team left standing and you were automatically awarded the championship. At least the Utes are in the Pac-12 now and will legitimately have a shot at the championship if they ever go undefeated again. BYU on the other hand has experienced its one and only championship ever unless A. the current corrupt BCS system changes or B. they are invited to a BCS conference themselves. It's a sad fact and every Utah fan knows it and any BYU fan with any degree of intelligence knows it too.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    May 14, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority,

    Those are all good points. But, surprise, surprise, I see it a little differently.

    BYU's "legitimacy" from a very good 1983 season got them this much - they were unranked in the 1984 preseason poll. Their win over highly-regarded Pitt to open the season springboarded them to #13, and got them into the hunt for the national championship.

    I agree, "in 1984, NOBODY had a more legitimate claim to being #1 than BYU." But anybody, please, answer these two questions - Has any college football national champion ever had an easier path than the 1984 Cougars? If so, who?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 14, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    "But it really doesn't matter because no matter how you want to spin it being the national champion is better than finishing 2nd or 4th."

    Ducky,

    Hmmm. I thought you and all kewg fans think anything less than a playoff systems is a fraud...that's all I hear and read about on the lDsNews. Yet you seem very confortable with that little "fraudulent" trophy

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 14, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Utah'95

    Yes, your facts are correct, but you left some other facts out:

    BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak that included back-to-back Top 7 finishes and two roads wins over Top 15 teams in 1983.

    And yes, there is legitimacy carried over from one season to the next.

    BYU impressed enough voters with its body of work over two years to not only be voted #1 AP and #1 Coaches.

    Utah finished #4/#5 in 2004 and #2/#4 in 2008.

    BYU 1984 beat 4 regular season opponents with winning records, including road wins at Hawaii(7-4), always a very tough play to play in the 80's, at Air Force(8-4), and at Utah(6-5-1).

    Utah 2004 only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, including road wins at Wyoming(7-5) and at New Mexico(7-5).

    Throw out the extra game BYU played against Utah State(1-10) and BYU's opponents were a combined 60-75; Utah's were a combined 62-75.

    And the most important fact:

    In 1984, NOBODY had a more legitimate claim to being #1 than BYU.

  • Captain Sweatpants Hampstead, NC
    May 14, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Utah'95 laid out objective information, gave credit to the Cougars, and concluded his post with his opinion. I don't know if every opinion equals a "spin."

    Here's my opinion (or spin, if you prefer):

    The 2008 Utes played the toughest schedule of the three. To their credit, they found ways to win several games that they shouldn't have, then beat down a legitimate top 5 team in the Sugar Bowl.

    The 1984 Cougars and 2004 Utes played weak schedules. But the fact that they met a ranked opponent in their bowl game suggests that they played the more challenging schedule. The Big East Champion 2004 Pitt team was ranked, the 1984 Wolverines weren't. It's that simple.

    The 2004 Utes were better than Utah's 2008 team, but it's hard to "prove" that since they played a weaker schedule (67 vs. 56, according to Sagarin).

    I can't find any information about strength of schedule for the 1984 season. I doubt it would be tougher than either of the Ute schedules listed above.

    But most importantly, you're right, "being the national champion is better than finishing 2nd or 4th." Congratulations, Cougars!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 14, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    How was utah's 2004 season any tougher than BYU's 1984 season? How is beating an 8-3 team from a weak conference in your bowl game any better than beating a 6-5 team from a good conference?

    But it really doesn't matter because no matter how you want to spin it being the national champion is better than finishing 2nd or 4th.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    May 14, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    I can't believe I am getting sucked in to this tired, childish argument AGAIN, but I'll try a different angle.

    The rankings listed reflect where opponents were in the FINAL RANKINGS (be honest Cougar fans, beating #3 at the time Pittsburgh means nothing when they go on to finish the season 3-8):

    2008 Utes:

    #25 BYU
    #18 Oregon State
    #7 TCU
    #6 Alabama
    Beat #4 (at the time), SEC runner-up, 12-1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl

    The Utes finished the season 13-0, ranked #2

    2004 Utes:

    #25 Pittsburgh
    "receiving votes" Texas A&M
    Beat #19 (at the time), Big East Champion, 8-3 Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl

    The Utes finished the season 12-0, ranked #4

    1984 Cougars:

    Beat zero ranked teams
    I don't know if any of BYU's opponents finished in the "receiving votes" category
    Beat unranked, Big 10 6th place, 6-5 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl

    The Cougars finished the season 13-0, ranked #1

    Three awesome feats - any team that completes their season undefeated deserves to puff out their chests.

    Congrats to the Cougars for their National Championship. Utah's undefeated campaigns, however, were against tougher opponents.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 14, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Utah State is 6-21 lifetime in the NCAA tournament:

    2011 0-1 Lost to Kansas State, 73-68
    2010 0-1 Lost to Texas A&M, 69-53
    2009 0-1 Lost to Marquette, 58-57
    2006 0-1 Lost to Washington, 75-61
    2005 0-1 Lost to Arizona, 66-53
    2003 0-1 Lost to Kansas, 64-61
    2001 1-1 Defeated Ohio State, 77-68
    Lost to UCLA in second round, 75-50
    2000 0-1 Lost to Connecticut, 75-67
    1998 0-1 Lost to Maryland, 82-68
    1988 0-1 Lost to Vanderbilt, 80-77
    1983 0-1 Lost to Iowa, 64-59
    1980 0-1 Lost to Clemson, 76-73
    1979 0-1 Lost to USC, 86-67
    1975 0-1 Lost to Montana, 69-63
    1971 0-1 Lost to Brigham Young, 91-82
    1970 2-1 Defeated UTEP, 91-81
    Defeated Santa Clara, 69-68
    Lost to UCLA, 101-79
    1964 1-2 Defeated Arizona State, 92-90
    Lost to San Francisco, 64-58
    Lost to Seattle U, 88-78
    1963 0-1
    1962 1-2
    1939 1-1

  • BB Santaquin, UT
    May 14, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    I may be mistaken, but didn't USU win 2 or 3 games in the NCAA in the late 90's... I think that is more than 1 since 1970

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    May 14, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    Please no more BCS stuff. Doesn't mean a thing, all in your heads. Makes me think of a time in high school. A friend of mine asked one of the cheerleaders to the home coming dance. She said she would rather not, so he asked another girl who accepted. Talking to the girl at the dance she told me, she was glad to be there with all of the "cool" kids but didn't feel like she belonged because my friends first choice turned him down and she was second. Her thought was my friend needed a date to save face and she was it.

    Sound familar? Will she ever convince herself she was more than a filler. She tries to this day, but still has that "second choice" mentality.

    U shouldn't keep trying to convince everyone that they are worthy and the Y isn't. Enjoy the ride and pocket the money. Who cares if you win anything, you still get your money from the others. It seems that is the most important thing as pointed out in the posts I have read.

    Hooo Hummmm

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 14, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    More ute "fan" assertions that it is better to be 2nd than 1st. I'm sure you have everyone else convinced. LOL

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    May 13, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    Jealous U

    Spin it however you want to make you feel better about yourselves, but

    National Championship > a dozen BCS wins

    One is the epitome of major college football.

    The others are only 2nd best, or worse.

    There have been lots of undefeated teams through the years that didn't win a national championship. What makes U think your undefeated seasons were anymore special than all of the other undefeated teams that didn't win the ultimate prize?

    Fact: If U had really been as good as you think it was, the U would have finished #1.

    Fact: If BYU had really been as bad as you pretend they were, the Cougars wouldn't have finished #1.

    Your jealous whining about "respect" isn't going to change the fact that U weren't "respected" enough to be voted #1.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    May 13, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    "They beat two Nationally ranked teams to cap thier undefeated seasons."

    Two ranked team in the MWC, not outside the conference. Your argument is very weak... beat some tough and ranked to start the season (not a Weber State or a 3-9 Michigan team) maybe just maybe the utes would have more credibility.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    "They did everything they had to do which is win every single game. The exact same thing byu did nearly 30 years ago"

    KH,

    Actually Utah did more. They beat two Nationally ranked teams to cap thier undefeated seasons.

    BYU played a 6-6 team ( same as last years UTEP) that was not even close to being ranked in the top 60. I might add BYU had to stage a late combacke to pull out the win.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 13, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Lonestar,

    "Better 30 years ago, than NEVER!"

    Utah actually accomplished what byu did (go undefeated) in 2004 and 2008 which is a lot more recent than nearly 30 years ago. Just because Utah wasn't crowned National Champions isn't their fault. They did everything they had to do which is win every single game. The exact same thing byu did nearly 30 years ago.

    Here's a few more blasts from the past for you:

    Burton blocked the kick
    48-24 on the way to a 2nd undefeated season
    52-21 on the way to Utah's first BCS bowl
    PAC 12 invitation

    Your comment on byu winning 3 of last 5 is ridiculous. Watch this, I can spin the stats too. Utah has won 6 of the last 9. Utah has also won 53 of the last 86 or something like that.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    KH

    Better 30 years ago, than NEVER!

    Here's a few more blasts from the past:

    Harline is still open
    4th and 18
    George is still running
    and the Pièce de résistance
    56-6

    BYU has still won 3 of the last 5, soon to be 4 of the last 6

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    JNA, Let it go man. It was almost 30 years ago.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    @Chris B,

    And yet I still cannot find that National Championship banner anywhere in RES. I looked and looked and looked and then there it was, but to my surprise it is in Provo at LES. Imagine that.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    May 13, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Thanks for mentioning Jimmer. I have only heard his name 10 times in the past week and quite frankly, I miss him. GO Jimmer. Go Cougs!

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 13, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    LonestarRunner,

    Are you obsessed with Utah? I didn't even mention Utah in my post. I just pointed out that it is silly to use the "if" card.

    I never said Utah coulda, shoulda, woulda about anything. You said it.

    Now, since you brought up football information for the University of Utah let me give you one more piece of information:

    Utah 17
    byu 16

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    KH

    "Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.....but didn't. Anybody can play the "if" card and say that their team could have won it all in any situation."

    For example:

    Utah Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda... won the 2004 and 2008 NCs, IF not for the BCS.

    Utah Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda... won a Heisman, IF the Utes had ever had a decent QB.

    Utah Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda... left BYU in their dust last June, IF Utah really had a superior football program.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    May 13, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    @Hedgie
    USC I'm sure will be equally unimpressed with Utah come Sept 10th especially at the huge numbers of dyed in the wool utey fans who show up to see the game. They'll sell more tickets to Southern California BYU fans who will be rooting for Utah than actual ute fans.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    The Rock,

    You do realize that by using your logic...BYU has won 35 straight football National Championships.

    Like the PAC12, I'm not impressed.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    @ The Rock,

    Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda.....but didn't. Anybody can play the "if" card and say that their team could have won it all in any situation.

    For example: The Jazz would have won the NBA Championship in 98 if Malone had hit his free throws.

    The fact is he didn't hit his free throws and the bulls won it.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 13, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    If is the biggest work in the English language. Gunna use it anyway.

    BYU and Florida went into overtime in the NCAA tourney. Brandon would have made far more difference than the one point required in regulation to have put BYU over the top.

    Florida went into overtime against Butler. I have a suspicion that a BYU team with Brandon Davies would have won that game but there is no way to tell.

    Who knows what would have happened against UConn in the finals. A Kimba - Jimmer match-up would have been amazing.

    BYU was not that far from taking it all in the NCAA tournament.

    When you have a tournament there is no need to depend on the opinion of the pundits. Performance speaks for itself.

    The present BCS series leave one at the mercy of the pundits. Matching Boise State against TCU was a travesty.

  • AZnewser Snowflake, AZ
    May 13, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    I enjoy Brad Rock's Dave Barryesque writing style. He is spot on with his commentary here.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 13, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Jimmer Fredette! All that needs to be said in explaining this article!

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    "My opinion is that not only are Utah teams treated respectably in the national view, they're in some cases treated BETTER THAN THEY DESERVE!

    WHY AM I SHOUTING?"

    Did my comment make it through the filter?

  • tron527 American Fork, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    No mention of Real Salt Lake? RSL is regarded as the best or second best MLS team by most media sources, coaches and players (Henry called them the best in the league). One writer for ESPN soccernet even had them 10th in his world rankings, hard to believe since their entire team salary is about a 10th of what many Euro teams will pay for in transfer fees for a single player. RSL and Jason Kreis have gotten mountains of respect from all kinds of people. Good team that is exciting to watch and gets a lot of press for it.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 13, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    I agree with Chris B. The BCS wins (in 2004, 2008) are the only reason the Utes only slid 18 spots in two weeks. However, has any other team in the history of the NCAA fallen as far as quickly as they did? I hate to think what would have happened without the BCS wins.
    This is an interesting article. I agree that both the Cougars and the Utes have probably been given more national respect than they deserve solely based on their performance in recent years. But I don't agree that the respect is unwarranted. BYU has a long history of dominating middle tier conferences (WAC, MWC). Utah, has a recent history of impressive wins against really good teams and a long history of being pretty decent. I expect both schools will do well in the coming years even if they experience some growing pains. The Jazz on the other hand...

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:10 a.m.

    Jimmer helped the high rankings. Multiple bcs games, multiple bcs wins, and a bcs invite justified the utah football rankings