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  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    May 16, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    If the NFL is still locked out, College Football will be the Sport to watch. Thus, BYU's Independence will prosper, and perhaps the U will be humbled as the nation views it's Weakness in the Pacific 12 Conf.

    Go Cougars!

  • True blue through and through Riverton, Utah
    May 16, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    To CougarOnTheProwl, you are absolutely right!
    BYU is not an overrated High School Team. They had a lot of mistakes with Freshman and their Defensive Coordinator. But after going 3-5, BYU blew teams out of the water and their Freshamn QB Jake Heaps did better than Jordan Wynn did overall, not to mention Utah didn't win fair and square in 2010 so BYU should dominate Utah and have a great season! Go Cougs!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 15, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    BYU still has a couple of question marks at WR and TE but they will be better than last year. Ole Miss is never an easy game no matter their record. Texas will be better than last year. I fear UCF more than Utah. TCU has a great coach and good recruiting years. They are going to be tough.

    Utah should be about the same as last year. However, they should do okay as the PAC South is WEAK.

    BYU is going to get the exposure they need. Independence is an 8 year journey. It will be a great situation by year 8. It is clearly the best option for BYU.

    Texas and OK are keeping their options open to a new super conf. BYU would not benefit by being in a decimated Big 12-. BYU is far better off to be independent and should be able to join a super conference as they do well.

    Utah will get tons of money and may back into the Rose Bowl over the next 8 years. The PAC is a good situation for them.

    BYU has much better days ahead. The exposure and the recruiting will improve.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 14, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    @crowntown1

    If the PAC is so much stronger than the non-AQ teams, how will U compete in the PAC? Boise State waxed U. TCU waxed U. Notre Dame waxed U.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    May 14, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    Wow, it's fun to read the comments about BYU football from members of the Ute Nation.

    What a classy group of kids.

    Where did they learn logic?

    Where did most of them learn to spell?

    And where did they learn to hate BYU so bad that they come out in force and embarass all of the class Utah fans.

    If you don't like BYU in Ann Arbor, turn it off, and watch reruns of the smurfs, or your availible regional BCS conference games.

    Yes, life can be that easy.

    Selective stats, personal attacks, predicting guaranteed losses, and blind bias will get you nowhere arguing at the adult table.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 14, 2011 1:35 a.m.

    You know if I was going to be a Troll, I think that I would work harder at knowing what I was talking about....

    Papa Smurf, BYU has a beginning Football class that you could probably benefit from even if you were to just audit the course...

    Heaps is on the Athlon College Football Mag Cover for a reason, folks who know something about football know that he is going to be special this year.... Our D backs are better than they have ever been and the ones we had last year killed the Utes (how many intercertions?)...

    BYU has a good chance at going undefeated this year.... If they can come game ready for Old Miss (like they were with Oklahoma and Washington the last two years) they will be fine with Texas and if they can get by both of those games they will cruise past Utah and Utah State by at least two touchdowns each... I believe they will also take down TCU with their QB gone and that really only leaves Oregon State to worry about... I think that we can get them though, but it will be close...

    BYU will turn heads this year.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 13, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    To Papa Smurf,

    If your basis is off of what happened last year, how on earth can you feel confident enough to guarantee a utah win? BYU shutout the utes for 3 quarters and it took a questionable call and blocked fg for the utes to hang on. BTW care to remind me who looked like the better QB in that game? The seasoned vet sophmore Wynn or the freshmen Jake Heaps? I think its safe to say Heaps was clearly the better of the two QBs. I also find it interesting that you conveniently chose to leave out the fact the Heaps showed alot of progress and improvement as the season went on as did his receivers once they got on the same page. And Utah State? come on, BYU is a completely different team from when they last played last year. And Utah State went in the tank after the win over BYU and looked awful the rest of the season. Your dellusional to guarantee losses, I would say the closest thing to guaranteed losses are TCU and Texas, but no game is a guaranteed loss. Sure we may lose a couple but to guarantee anything foolish.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 13, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    "YOu really think that BYU was planning on Independence all along? NO!"

    crowntown, I hear from reliable sources within the Physical Education department at BYU that the decision to go independent was made several years ago. The only question was when. When Utah was invited to the PAC and BYU wasn't, the athletic program took advantage of the opportunity to go independent. Don't say BYU wasn't invited because they are not good enough at football or "researchy" enough (see several PAC schools).

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 13, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    smurf

    I believe I was talking about Utah fans in general talking about Notre Dame. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So Notre Dame and Michigan were fill in games. Nice double standard. BYU has 5 months to fill a schedule and Utah fans give them a hard time for who they schedule......

    crowntown

    Give it a rest. BYU has been preparing for Independence for a while. That's not something any school can do at a moments notice. The utes going to the PAC and no invite for BYU made it a good time to pull the trigger.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    May 13, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    crowntown1, T Red

    "YOu really think that BYU was planning on Independence all along?"

    You really think that BYU built a state-of-the-art HD television studio and got BYUtv on the basic tier of cable networks in 60 million homes between June, when the Utes received their PAC 12 invite, and August 31st, when BYU announced that they were going Independent?

    BYU has been planning for the possibility of going Independent for over a decade.

    Out of allegiance to the Utes, the Cougars didn't put those plans into motion until the Utes bolted to the PAC 12.

    BYU obsessed haters are simply disappointed that just when they thought they'd left BYU in their dust, BYU did something that even the mighty Utes couldn't have pulled off, that is, sign an 8-year contract with ESPN and declare Independence.

    Proof that Utah couldn't have pulled that off was the recent ABC/ESPN PAC 12 television schedule that completely ignored the Utes.

    If it wasn't for their game at BYU, the Utes wouldn't even be on ESPN this year.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    re Tommyhawk & Crowtown,

    Yep, when the U got their ticket to the dance, there we were, left at the station. Poor, poor, pitiful us! Good thing someone could build that state-of-the-art studio in about 4 weeks. And Shazam! Who woulda thought ESPN would return ole Tommy's first call like that!

    Don't you get tired of saying stupid things? Want to prognosticate on the upcoming season? Have at it! Your guess is as good as any.

    Now if you wanted to say that BYU has been working to try to get into a conference for a long, long time, with independence as a back-up plan, and Utah kinda forced the issue, I think every rational BYU fan could sign off on that.

    But noooo, spite makes you say stupid things.

    Would being in a BCS conference be better than independence? Yeah, I think so. Genious me. Is being independent better than staying in the MWC? D'ya think?

    Are we further along and better off at this point than even we the fans thought we would be at the start? Not even debatable.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    @sammyg... so clueless you are.

    BYU only went Indy because Utah upgraded to BCS level.

    Following our lead, as usual.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    May 13, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    YOu guys who claim conferences are bad or whatever like the Big 10, Big 12 ACC or PAC are ridiculous. A conference can have a down year or two but historically and usually those above listed conferences have been and are very strong.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    May 13, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    YOu really think that BYU was planning on Independence all along? NO! They didn't get an invite to the prom so they formed their own pillow fight party. Let's see getting the big boys to come to Provo? Is the comment based on the fact that it's actually a show for the opponents and their fans? USC waxed BYU , FSU wasxed BYU, TCU Waxed BYU and so on. So Congrats on scheduling. Your good at that.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    May 13, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    Hey Papa Smurf,

    What do they say about not throwing stones if you live in glass houses? Have you looked at Utah's schedule? All cream puffs for the second half of the season. Cal, Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State and Colorado. You might as well be playing the cream puffs of the Big Sky.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    @papsmearute

    Yes the Highland/Alpine area is a great place to live, best in the state. Lotsa great Cougars and Cougar fans here as well.

    Of course if we went to the creamery I'm sure you would expect me to pick up the check. That is standard ute "fan" operating procedure.

    But if you want to come by on the 3rd Friday of September about 10 pm I'll go ahead and spring for it. You will be in dire need of something at that time as I have no doubt you'll be deeply depressed.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 13, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    I remember an indepenant league team (Notre Dame) handing the Utes a stinging loss last year in football! So much for the "superior" PAC12!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 13, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    @DevilishUte
    You can spin statisitics anyone you want. Let's stick with a more current timeframe where BYU has won 3 of the last 5. Or if you want to look at a longer timeframe, BYU has won 20 of the last 32. You have to include our forgetable Crowton era to gain your advantage. I concede, you were the dominant team during the last three years of the Crowton era. Overall, BYU has more total wins than Utah over the last 5 years, even with our rebuilding year in 2010 and Utah's perfect season.

    @Magna Ute Fan
    No, I'm not an English major. Do you only have to know how to spell guarantee to be an English major at the U? If that's all that's required, I could have received my degree when I was 12.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    Hedge,

    You complain about other poster's falsehoods, check you facts, it's hard to pay attention to you anymore..

    Shew troll....Shew

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Cougar1,

    Did I say or mention anything about Notre Dame? Nope, I didnt. Just like with Michigan 2 times, and Notre Dame last year, we needed to fill a spot in our schedule, so did they, and the UTES went there. Who knows if we asked to do a home and home with teams like that. We did have a series with Texas, until Urban decided to cancel it. What a mistake that was.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    Thanks, pops!

    The past says BYU knows how to win a national championship. The present suggests that they are better positioned now than they were a year ago.

    And by the way, while also not a U fan, I admire Coach Whit tremendously and respect the accomplishments of our brethren to the north. Too much so to suggest that if the past is all we have to go on, then the U will never get closer than 2nd to a national championship.

    Instead, I'll stick by my standard thought regarding the men in red: never underestimate them. If you cannot do the boys in blue the same courtesy, then we'll talk about it again, late in September, when it is the past. And again in mid-January. It will be fun to compare past memories.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    smurf
    Once again, who cares. As for a schedule worthy of a NC, take a look at next years schedule. BYU is doing what they have to; they can not, however, control how good the teams they play are, ie. Texas, Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech.

    I love how Utah fans always talk about BYU's inability to do home and homes with Notre Dame. Has Notre Dame ever been to Utah to play a game?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    IDC,

    Go invest in potatoes, and Facebook. Even though Facebook is ruining this generation of young people.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    It has happened once in over 100 years, it could happen again. Not 10 years. Bad typing on my part. If BYU does get great teams to play them at home after Sept, then Y fans will have a great time watching good games week in and week out. Those can be your bowl games each week. Since the Kraft Hunger, Armed Forces, and Poinsettia Bowls will have teams like UTEP, Army, Tulane, UNLV, in them. After the next 3 years of bowl games (if you even qualify for one) you will get a little closer to a .500 record in bowl games. 11-17 and 1 is not that great of a record in bowl games. I will give credit to where it is due though. Making it to 29 bowl games is quite an accomplishment.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    May 13, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Will some of you fortune tellers move over to the business blog. I would like to retire in the next 2 years and I need to know which stocks will be perfect next year.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Cougars 1,

    I didnt say that they wouldnt or wont be able to. I said ifother conferences do what the Pac 12 has done, and wont let their teams schedule non conf games after Sept, then who will BYU have to play after that? WAC schools? Conf USA teams? Sunbelt teams? If that happens, then you may have 3-4 good to great teams, and 8 lousy teams. Which is about what was done in the MWC. So going undefeated will not get you to the NC game. It will most likely get you to a BCS game, but will not get you to the title game. This is not 1984 anymore when beating no one gets you the national championship. Keep dreaming if you think going undefeated as an independent will get you to the NC game. That is if you go undefeated. It has happened once in over 10 years, it could happen again.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    Y Grad,

    If BYU starts out 6-0, and beats the cupcakes they have the rest of the year, I for one will be first to say that they beat who they needed to beat, and deserve the credit. Go back and look at any post of mine. Not once did I say that we would beat TCU. I knew we beat some very bad teams, and it would catch up to us. I am not a delusional UTE fan that thinks we will win the Pac 12 South next year, play Oregon or Stanford for the conf championship, and then go to the Rose Bowl or title game. The thing is though, we have the chance to do that. Once the Y loses 1 game, its over. No title game, no BCS, no conf championship. You can suggest that I get used to BYU beating very impressive teams early on, then walking through the rest of the season all you want. Until it happens, all you and I can go off is the past. That is what people base things on, not only in football but life. We look to the past to predict the future.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Are you an EX cougarette who lives down there in the Highland Alpine area? I know that is where all the ex players move, and live in that tight nit community. Just wondering. You and I will have to meet, and go to the creamery together some day. Talk about independence, and the Pac 12. The cougs early losses. All that fun stuff. I would really enjoy it.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    smurf,

    Are you really saying that BYU won't be able to schedule home games after October first against top tier teams? I hope I read that right. Let's just say that you are correct(you aren't, but we will get to that). Who cares, as long as BYU's schedule is tough enough to get them to a NC game if they win out. Again, who cares. And for you to say that they can't win this or that game, you don't know. When they beat #3 Oklahoma you thought they were going to lose that game and ridiculed anyone who thought otherwise.( By the way, that Oklahoma team beat Stanford in the Sun Bowl that year without their Heisman qb) With Bradford, they would have been a lock for a BCS Bowl or NC game.(Wait, now I sound like you and all the other Ute fans predicting BYU's demise, and don't pull out the "well history shows" card because history shows that Oklahoma always goes to a BCS game)

    As for not scheduling home games against top tier programs after October 1, oh yeah, who cares? You do.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    We get the revenue from the conf Championship game, which will be right at 2 million, which is 800K more than what we got in the MWC. So to say that we have no revenue this year is wrong. As for the games on TV, Larry Scott has stated that games not on ESPN, Fox, ABC, etc can be bought and brodcast by local stations. There are still slots that need to be filled by ABC, ESPN and Fox for this upcoming season. The games that they announced would be on TV the other day are not all the games. Once they figure out times, dates, etc. for the rest of the games, then KJZZ, local NBC, whoever will pick up those games. Go listen to Scott, Whittingham, and others that have already stated these facts.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    Hall was outplaying Bradford and the score was tied 7-7 when Bradford was hurt.

    Oklahoma, according to hedgie's theory of more draft picks equal better team, was one of the best teams in the country -- three of the top four picks in the NFL draft, including #1.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    hedgehog | 2:05 p.m. May 13, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "Because they like playing to smaller, half filled stadiums"

    I know it must pain you to know that only Oregon has a better attendance percentage than the Utes.

    So clearly you decided to simply lie...again.

    ===

    "lie... again."???

    The was comparison was Provo v SLC, not Oregon.

    :-)

    Tell me more about how the U fills the Huntsman Center to the rafters... Oh, but that would require you quote the whole sentence...

    Serious, if there is a way to make any sense of what you post, Hedge, it would bring many people great joy.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    @ Papa Smurf UTE -

    Semantics fail you? Let's start with what I said.

    "I suggest instead you'd better get used to BYU beating some very impressive teams early on, then cupcake walking through the rest of the season."

    To which you promptly looked to the past. In and of itself, this is a valid observation. BYU has lost some big games early, they've won some big games early.

    But history is another thing Ute fans only choose to use selectively. All I'm saying is that, should this or any other year, BYU win the big games and then sweep the rest of the card, you can count on Utah fans to say a) the teams they beat weren't that good; and b) they don't deserve any ranking - look at the cupcake schedule.

    Something by the way I never heard from a Ute last year when U were 8-0 and ranked #5.

    But tell you what. I realize I have no more inside scoop on the future than you or wedge. Let's enjoy the trip together and see how the season turns out. We can get a decent feel mid way through September.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    @papsmearute

    utah's games will be on tv? Really? What channel? Where have you heard this?

    Surely you have an actual source not just "I heard all of our games will be on tv". Well if you have "heard" that then you are the only one that has heard it because where we sit right now they have exactly one game on tv and that is thanks to BYU.

    I'd really like to know where you got this info and I'm guessing so would the other 7 ute fans besides yourself as they are all under the impression utah doesn't have any sort of tv deal, or revenue, this year. Funny but the schedulers are under the impression they haven't scheduled them as well.

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    May 13, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    All this BYU vs Utes bickering is fairly dumb. Both teams were in the MTN West Conference that left much to be desired. I hope both teams do well now that they are out of the MTN West Conference. BYU gets the benefits of not having to join the snotty PAC 12 with all their secular morals. Rather, they can get more television exposure than provided by the MTN West Conference. Meanwhile, the Utes can go play the so-called great teams of the PAC 12. I hope they do well and show that the PAC 12 teams are overrated. It would be nice for them to be successful in the PAC 12. The question would then be, "Would BYU be as equally strong in the PAC 12?" I think it is fair to say "YES"! By the Utes doing well in the PAC 12, BYU also benefits because the strength of the PAC 12 is in question. I still want BYU to beat the Utes each year, but I hope both teams do well to show the PAC 12 that both teams have always been as strong as the PAC 12 teams -- to shut those schools up.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Y Grad. U rest your case huh? Fine, Bradford got hurt. Great. U beat 1 team that was decent early in the year. That is awesome. U still have all those other true facts I stated that shows U Bronco & the Cougars lose games early to inferior teams. It's a fact. I'm glad U rested your case so I can't stop proving I am right.

    Duckhunter, I won't see any if the checks, but the Ute team sure will. Which as a fan is fine with me. Also, from what I have heard, even though we are not on ESPN other than the game vs BYU, all of our games will still be on TV. Also, like with any other PAC 12 team, if we R playing well, ESPN, ABC, & Fox will come calling. U guys have fun in Independence losing early games, & the UTES will have fun in the PAC 12.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    "Because they like playing to smaller, half filled stadiums"

    I know it must pain you to know that only Oregon has a better attendance percentage than the Utes.

    So clearly you decided to simply lie...again. My point is that the average PAC12 fan would enjoy the cultural experience of SLC much more than Provo... although that's not saying much.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    @the Hog - I disagree with your claim that people would much rather visit SLC than Provo. Have you been to the BYU creamery? The ice cream there is so smooth and creamy, hence the locale's name.

    One time, a few years ago, I enjoyed my ice cream in the midst of one of Utah county's famed writers, Dick Harmon. He seemed to be enjoying his ice cream quite a bit and I find it hard to believe that fans from opposing teams would not want to join me and other BYU fans after the game for an indulgence in ice cream heaven.

    As for BYU's independence, I think BYU is a trend setter. I predict others such as Texas, USC, Ohio State, and Michigan will follow suit in the very near future. Maybe as soon as the 2012-2013 season.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    @ Papa Smurf UTE

    I rest my case. How good would Oklahoma have been if Bradford had not been injured? I suggest that
    a lot of teams were good when we played them. It would be just as disingenuous to suggest that Alabama was a bad team because they didn't want to be there, blah, blah, blah.

    Watch and see my friend.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    @papsmearutesmurf

    I'm sure you'll get your share of those checks. LOL

    Why do you keep saying you don't care what channel utah is on? The fact is that this season they aren't on any channel. They have exactly one tv game scheduled this year and that is thanks to BYU's exclusive ESPN contract. yes I know you want to downplay it while trying to focus in on BYU's home schedule, or late season schedule or bowl tie ins, but of course you aren't going to get to see your team play.

    You better pray they make the vegas bowl this year as that is a long shot.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    DevilishUte | 1:29 p.m. May 13, 2011
    Tempe, AZ
    @Veritas

    BYU went independent because they had no other options (or options that were worse than independence). If that weren't true why are Yners like yourself still clinging to hopes that BYU gets an invitation to the Big-12 or one of the other major conferences?

    ===

    I'm sorry, I do not see anyone complaining about independence, all games braodcast on HD, and the new and potential future TV deals, but fans of the University of Utah.

    Where are the Y-ners that are whining about independence? Why is it only Utah fans?

    Insecurity, or jealousy?

    ===

    PapaSmurf:
    Thanks, yeah, sure, grab that info about "1432, 1621..."

    Can you really get anymore off topic?

    ...So, you were going to make a point?

    Let me know when, so I can be ready.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    hedgehog | 1:27 p.m. May 13, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "Do you realize you are now the Co Springs, Laramie, New Mexico, etc. of the West Coast PAC teams???"

    Buster,

    Even you would have to agree most if not all PAC12 fans would rather visit SLC than Provo.

    That my friend is a no brainer.
    ===

    Naval/ChrisB--

    Because they like playing to smaller, half filled stadiums and arenas, or is it the automatic "W"?

    But, a "no brainer" from you? I thought all of your posts we "no brainers"...

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Actually, Veritas Aequitas, go check out any Pac article about how fans from teams on the west coast will come here to hike, fish, ski in November/Dec. Salt Lake is not a small city, which those are. I am smiling. It is a great time to be a UTE. I will be at most, if not all the games each year, so what channel we play on really does not matter. would it be nice to be on ESPN every game? Sure. Not even USC or Texas can claim that.

    To Duck quack, I have yet to post or say that the UTES will make it to the Rose Bowl this coming season, or any season in the future. The jow is though, it can happen. Even if we take 5th place in the Pac 12, we still get to go to the Vegas Bowl, which every Y fan loved. Our bowl tie ins are not the 3 lowest paying bowl games out there, & even if we dont make it to a BCS bowl, we still get part of that BCS money every year. Some years there may even be 2 Pac teams in BCS games. More money

  • TonganNinja Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Oh...Boy...!!!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 13, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    @Veritas

    BYU went independent because they had no other options (or options that were worse than independence). They DID NOT get invited to a BCS conference. Had they been invited, they would have rushed to sign. We all know it. If that weren't true why are Yners like yourself still clinging to hopes that BYU gets an invitation to the Big-12 or one of the other major conferences?

    If they wanted to go independent so badly, why didn't they go independent a long time ago? Independence in college sports is not a new concept. If they've been such a major player in college sports over the last 30 years like you've asserted so many times on these boards, they could have and should have gone independent a long time ago......

    Going independent is a much better option for BYU than staying in the MWC. It's just not as appealing as belonging to a major conference.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    "Do you realize you are now the Co Springs, Laramie, New Mexico, etc. of the West Coast PAC teams???"

    Buster,

    Even you would have to agree most if not all PAC12 fans would rather visit SLC than Provo.

    That my friend is a no brainer.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas

    I can also addas much info as you want me to from the year 1900 to 2000 if you would like mo to. I was commenting back on how we have benefittedfrom the BYU bowl games more so than BYU has from ours. We have generated more money for BYU from our bowl games the last 20 years. The UTES also got money from BYU in the late 70,s and 80's. It is a what have you done for me lately world. If you want me to go prove things from 1910, 1950, 1985, 1432, 1621, etc, I will. I also saw the Offcie last night, and I am not asking questions to make myself look like a genius like Dwight did, I'm just stating the facts. Like I did to the Y Grads post. What has BYU and Bronco done since he took over as head coach to make anyone think that BYU will be successful early, against good, to bad competition? The answer is nothing. I dont consider from 2003 on to be the only era of UTE football, but it sure has been better than the Y's in that time.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Again wedgie explain to me why it matters? But of course they play both oregon st. and TCU in october this year but so what? I really don't get the issue, it is simply something that doesn't matter that you are trying to make into an issue.

    Why don't you tell me how you are going to watch untelevised utah games while sitting in your cold lonely ann arbor basement?

    Thank goodness for BYU's ESPN contract so you will be able to watch at least one of them this year.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE | 12:08 p.m. May 13, 2011
    Herriman, UT
    @ Dunkhunter,

    "Even if we have just 1 game on ESPN 2 against BYU, most UTE fans really do not care."

    "It is a much easier and nicer road trip to LA, than it is to Co Springs, Laramie, New Mexico, etc."
    ===

    Point #1
    Of course you don't care that the only game you have on National TV is because you are in LES...

    I'm sure it was the TV exposure all Utah fans were dreaming of.

    Point #2
    Do you realize you are now the Co Springs, Laramie, New Mexico, etc. of the West Coast PAC teams???

    Smile, it's great to be a Ute.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    @papautesmurf

    1st of all utah is not a big time program in anyones estimation. But as I said before I don't care how the schedule plays out early to late. It isn't even an issue. You just play who you have scheduled on the weeks you have them scheduled. So what if it is in September or November.

    Of course utah is going to be spending time in pretty crappy bowls, when they even get to a bowl. I suppose you probably think they are going to go to the rose bowl. LOL

    Dream on.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE | 11:58 a.m. May 13, 2011
    Herriman, UT
    ===
    If you are going to address to my post, Dude, what is so hard about reading the post I was responding to, my post, and responding?

    Please, what did your response even have to do with topics mentioned?

    Instead, you bring up Bowls Only for 10 years??? Selective Ute logic. Avoidance of the topic?

    Sort of like me basing the whole University of Utah football team on how they perform on TV wearing "Cami-Unis".

    To quote last nights episode of "The Office":

    "Stop asking yourself easy questions so you can look like a genius."

    ===

    I loved your quote though.

    "Allow me catch you up to the 21st century."

    Utah fans believe that college football started in the year 2000.

    Is that why the University of Utah has such a rich football tradition, and such national "cachet"?

    Is that why a coach at Utah can spend 2003-2005, and it is considered an era?
    ===

    The reason BYU can go independent is because they can.

    Why is that so hard for you kids to accept?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    During Bronco's tenure as head coach, BYU has always lost games at the beginning of the season, no matter how good or bad the team was they were playing. 05 it was Boston College, TCU, and SDSU. 06 when they were 11-2 and pretty good, it was AZ, and Boston college. 07 it was to terrible UCLA, and Tulsa. 08 they had a cake walk schedule that even Wyoming could have won those first 5 games. 09 you lost to Florida St. We all know about last year with Air Force, Florida St, Nevada, and Utah st. So judging by Bronco's track record at the beginning of the season, what makes you think that BYU is going to beat some very impressive teams early on, when they have yet to do so in Bronco's first 6 years at the helm, and some of those schools are way below average, and not even close to impressive? The best win BYU has early on was versus Oklahoma a couple of years back, & we know how good they really turned out to be. So I think you are grasping at straws Y Grad/Y Dad

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    "As I said utah's future tv schedule will be better, just like BYU's future home schedule"

    Again, Ducky,

    Explain to me how BYU's home schedule after the first of October will get better? you've already got the 1 for 6 deal lined up with ND...what else?

    TCU will never play the Y again after october...deal with it.

    The only other possible option would be Boise State. But then again, they don't need the Y game as much as the Y needs the Boise game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    @wedgie

    Why does it matter who they play early and who they play late? It doesn't matter to me. They play both oregon st. and TCU in October this year while finishing up with hawaii. That works for me. Just another one of those false "issues" you keep trying to pretend exist.

    As I said if they are playing Notre Dame, Army and Navy late that works for all of them. I haven't noticed any of those schools having much trouble getting games scheduled late. But keep trying to pretend that is some sort of an issue. It isn't one to me.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 12:52 p.m.

    @magna ute fan

    I'm talking about this years utah tv schedule specifically just like this years BYU home schedule specifically. Yes in future years utah will have more tv games, and in future years BYU will have a better home schedule. This year utah may not have much of anything on tv. We saw the announced tv schedule from the pac10 just this week and utah didn't have a single game scheduled for tv. Now we all expect that to change and some of utahs games will be on tv but as of now they have nothing scheduled for any of the channels the pac10 is contracted with this season.

    The point is that if utah fans on here are going to keep harping on BYU's home schedule for this coming season then to prove they aren't hypocrites they need to aknowledge that this years utah tv coverage was compromised for a better future much like BYU's home schedule.

    As I said utah's future tv schedule will be better, just like BYU's future home schedule, but this year utah fans have to be disappointed that they will definately miss some games.

  • True blue through and through Riverton, Utah
    May 13, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    BYU is better than a lot of people think. The first seven games of the season in 2010 doesn't matter. It's the last six that BYU did great and dominated everyone except Utah who won because the refs said it was a fumble when Bradley was down. BYU also beat two decent teams: Washington and UTEP, and a VERY good 9-4 team: San Diego State. BYU lost four games in a row, plus the TCU game because the starters from 2009 were replaced by several unexperienced Freshman players and had a defensive coordinator that was NOT good for the defense. But after a few struggles and lessons, BYU proved in the final six games that they are WAY better than 7-6 and they should have been 12-1, the only loss in 2010 would be TCU.

    So BYU is NOT an overrated High School Team. Utah has lost all their good players except their QB who is struggling a lot, so Utah will find quite a few losses, including to BYU. So cut the losses to Utah, Ole Miss, and Utah St., Oregon St and UCF beacuse that won't happen. GO Cougars!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    @ Papa Smurf UTE -

    I suggest instead you'd better get used to BYU beating some very impressive teams early on, then cupcake walking through the rest of the season.

    But it's okay, a select few of you have a lot of practice down playing BYUs victories then whining about how we really didn't beat anybody at all. The only difference will be that U will lose to the Y at the beginning of the season instead of the end.

    Wedge and Chris will still alternate between claiming that Utah really is more impressive but admitting by default that they must have been cupcakes if they lost to BYU.

    Somehow, I think the scheduling will just keep getting better, not worse.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    @ Dunkhunter,

    Even if we have just 1 game on ESPN 2 against BYU, most UTE fans really do not care. I for one dont care if I am on ESPN, ABC, Fox, or even KJZZ HD. We are playng against Pac 12 teams now, and will be able to see our games one way or another. It is a much easier and nicer road trip to LA, than it is to Co Springs, Laramie, New Mexico, etc. ESPN may be working on the Y's games at the end of the season, but if other conf do what the Pac 12 is doing, and wont let the big named schools play after Sept in out of conf games, then no matter what ESPN does, they wont get to play Utah, Ohio St, Texas, Florida, Penn St, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. So Y fans will have to get used to losing a couple of games early to the likes of Utah, Texas, Notre Dame, and then have the good old WAC, and maybe Conf USA teams coming in. You will be playing weak teams, with a pathetic bowl game to look forward to, & no chance of a conference championship. Awesome

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 13, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Duck-

    It was a little disappointing that Utah didn't get any conference games picked up by ESPN/ABC. But those aren't the only two stations on my cable package. I'll still get to see them on FX, FSN, or Versus. We'll just have to earn games on the bigger stations the old fashioned way.

    I know you think Utah is without a qb and has too many other holes to fill. I think they'll be fine. I'm picking the Utes to go 8-4, or 9-3. We'll see.

    I expect byu to go 9-3, or 10-2.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    To: Veritas Aequitas

    As far as your ratings claims, and that we are on Pac 12, it sounds like it has been a decade since you last looked at TV ratings. Allow me catch you up to the 21st century. Here are the bowl ratings for both BYU and Utah for the last several years. You can see for yourself who the real ratings draw is.

    2010-11
    BYU 2.11
    Utah 3.78

    2009-10
    BYU 2.58
    Utah 2.81

    2008-09
    BYU -2.50
    Utah 7.80

    2007-08
    BYU 2.48
    Utah 2.00

    2006-07
    BYU 1.97
    Utah 2.03

    2005-06
    BYU 2.40
    Utah 2.16

    2004-05
    BYU 0.0 (couldnt make a bowl game)
    Utah 7.4

    2003-04
    BYU 0.0 (couldnt make a bowl game)
    Utah 2.44

    Google BCS football bowl ratings to get all of these numbers from the BCSs official website.

    Also, both Utah and BYU go through The Collegiate Licensing Company for merchandise sales.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    "Also the late season games will be taken care of just fine. I don't have a problem with how the schedule lays out. I think you'll see regular late season games with ND, Army and navy as that benefits all 4 schools. Add in a couple of wac, confernce usa or mwc teams and it takes care of itself."

    Ducker,

    Very timid reponse. Understandably. This is the death knell to the BYU independence plan. With front loaded seasons BYU will never compete for BCS bowls.

    Notre Dame has built the cache to pull this issue off. BYU is not even in the ballpark.

    Optimistically it will take several decades of superior play to demand BCS conference teams to play the Y after the first of Oct.

    The owners of BYU will eliminate football before then

  • jonjon Cedar Hills, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    I wonder how it will feel to start every season 1-4 against quality teams, only to pad your record and self esteem with WAC teams to end the season?
    -----
    lol BYU doesn't know either. I forget what year your referring to when we went 1-4. Even if you are right about this next year, at least that 1 win will be against Utah.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    @wedgie

    I don't expect BYU to play Alabama and Ohio St. every single year. But they will play those types of schools on a regular basis. But in the past BYU has had home and homes with USC, Penn St., Texas, Miami, Florida St, and plenty of other high quality teams.

    Also the late season games will be taken care of just fine. I don't have a problem with how the schedule lays out. I think you'll see regular late season games with ND, Army and navy as that benefits all 4 schools. Add in a couple of wac, confernce usa or mwc teams and it takes care of itself.

    Holmoe stated yesterday that ESPN is already working on those issues for them. Not that you really care or would accept any explanation anyway. If I was you I'd be more concerned about seeing utah on tv more than a couple of times per year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    @magna ute fan

    But I have a question for you. How happy are you with utah's tv schedule this year? Much like BYU's home schedule did utah not make a concession for this years tv coverage knowing it would improve in the future? As of now utah has exactly one game that is going to be on tv. We hear from you guys all the time about BYU's home schedule and how bad it is, ignoring that it was hastily arranged and not representative of future schedules, yet all of you ignore that utah has the same predicament with its tv coverage.

    The difference is BYU fans will be able to see all of those games even if the competition is less than stellar while it is a pretty sure thing utah fans are not going to be able to see several of utahs games this year.

    Both schools are transitioning into a new situation and we all know that it will take a couple of years for those issues to be worked out.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 10:40 a.m. May 13, 2011
    Beverly Hills, CA
    At least BYU is earning their own money now instead of benefitting from the welfare system that the Utes graciously shared with them when they received the money for going to two BCS bowl games.
    ===

    Weak argument to take onto a BYU story.

    Tell us more about how the welfare PAC system, and how Utah will generate TV revenues...

    BTW, has Utah benefitted from BYU bowl games, or TV revenue over the past 30 years?

    Good point though.

    BYU is earning their own money. Independence means that, but way to connect the dots.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Basic obsessed, insecure comments from the usual trolls. They say that they are above BYU now that they get to play with the big boys but continue to show that they have a major inferiority complex by reading and replying to everything BYU. How sad for them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    @magna ute fan

    There is no need to wonder how many are 1 for 1. The only that one that isn't a 1 for 1 is Notre Dame. If you want to split hairs you could claim Texas is 2 for 1 but BYU had already signed to play at Texas this year, that game had been on the schedule for several years. They then signed a 1 for 1 with them that is a seperate contract. All of the other games are 1 for 1 other than neutral site games.

    They have already said there are only a very few schools that they would agree to 2 for 1 with. Those schools would be the most elite schools. There are all of about 5 of those schools.

    Yes I am a season ticket holder and no I am not particularly excited about this years home schedule although I'm not disappointed in it. A day at the stadium is always a great day no matter the opponent, and I understand why this years schedule is what it is. I like that we get to attend 7 home games.

    And next years home schedule looks great.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    "BYU has no problem getting schools to come and play at LES as history, and future schedules, have shown. This coming years schedule, hastily put together in only a few months is hardly indicative of anything despite your lame attempt to pretend it is."

    Quack,

    Very intresting how you gloss over the fine details of "getting schools to play at LES".

    Until you can get elite BCS programs to commit to a 1for1, BYU will never be Nationally sucessful. Do you really think a Alabama or Ohio State would agree to such one sided terms? NEVER. Why? because they want to compete for National Championships.

    Also, I've yet to hear solution for the October-Dec. lame duck schedule issue? What Elite team (outside of ND) would agree to play at LES during the conference season? ZERO

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 13, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Duck-

    The byu fan I was referring to was foolish child @ 4:11. I assume that's a real byu fan. Who knows around here?

    No, I don't mean to imply that your schedule won't get better. But, I wonder how many of those bigger name schools you're playing on the road this year are 1 for 1 deals? How many years do you have to wait for Notre Dame to come? Are you a season ticket holder? Are you excited for your home games this year? I am STOKED for our "obligated" guests this year. My season tickets are sending shivers up my leg!

    (I better check my spelling for CougFaninTX. I think he/she's an English Major.)

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    May 13, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    I'm amazed by how many people were in the decision room at BYU when independence was discussed. So many self proclaimed experts about how BYU will do and that they had to 'settle' for independence. Nothing is more embarrassing when someone accomplishes something that another person said couldn't be done. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will be embarrassed when BYU shows the following they can attract.

    On the note of the Ute's being the doormat of the PAC-obscurity, well, I would venture to guess that most of the Mountain West could beat most of the PAC-Nothing on any given night (notice I said most). I think the Utes will do well, but be embarrassed in any bowl game they might play due to their acceptance into the 2nd weakest BCS conference (Big East being the worst...LOL @ TCU)

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    May 13, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    At least BYU is earning their own money now instead of benefitting from the welfare system that the Utes graciously shared with them when they received the money for going to two BCS bowl games.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    To Cougar on the Prowl,

    I am basing all of this on what you did last year. You lost your best DB/Safety the Cougs have ever had, you did not add all that much, and Jake didnt do a single thing against a team with speed and a winning record more than a game or 2 above .500. Heaps will be a little better than he was last year, but the receivers still have the yips, and will drop balls, St Jake still needs to improve, and learn to throw the ball with some touch. Remember that pass against Wyoming where he needed to just lob it over the defender, and instead threw it right to the opposing player? I do, and I am sure that Y fans do as well. TCU is not your only guaranteed loss. I think that you have a better chance of beating them than you do Utah, Texas, or even Utah St. Gary Anderson has figured you out. It doesnt matter that they dont have a QB set yet. Once they do, that QB should be able to pick the cats slow DB's apart. I guess we will see soon.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 13, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    When talking about TCU you said this:

    "I believe they are a better team than anyone on Utah's schedule (BYU excluded)."

    This is another dose of hypocrisy and failed logic.

    So you think BYU is the best team on Utah's schedule this year? Then, in the next breath you talk about how USC is a top 10 team. May I remind you that Utah beat BYU last year and has won 6 out of the last 9 against BYU. So if Utah is going to have trouble in the PAC-12 as you've stated countless times, BYU would have even more trouble by your logic.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 13, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    @magna ute fan

    Uh mgf...Those teams are all coming to LES over the next few years. Not only that those teams have all been to LES before.

    Also the only BYU "fan" guarantying a loss to TCU is hondo and he is not a BYU fan at all. He is a utah "fan" much like ernie bass that pretends to be a BYU fan and makes outrageous comments.

    BYU has no problem getting schools to come and play at LES as history, and future schedules, have shown. This coming years schedule, hastily put together in only a few months is hardly indicative of anything despite your lame attempt to pretend it is.

    Howzabout we see utah schedule a big name opponent at res that isn't obligated to do so because of a conference affiliation before you do much scheduling smack.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 13, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Magna Ute Fan | 8:55 a.m. May 13, 2011
    Magna, UT
    I think it's a little funny that cougar fans are saying that the game against TCU is guarenteed loss. I certainly don't think it should be with Andy Dalton and a few others gone.

    For starters, it's spelled guaranteed. Second, I appreciate your confidence in our Cougars believing we will beat TCU. And third, I don't see a single Cougar Fan guaranteeing a loss. Yes we acknowledge that TCU will be tough again this year, especially in Dallas, even without Dalton. I believe they are a better team than anyone on Utah's schedule (BYU excluded).

    And for those of us who think it will be tough to go 12-0 with all the difficult road games, we acknowledge that this will be one of the more difficult games on the schedule.

    How about you? Are you predicting the Utes will go 12-0? If not, does that mean your guaranteeing a loss to USC, AZ ST, BYU?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 13, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    To Eastcoastcoug

    Herriman is in the south west corner of the Sale Lake Valley. Just South of Riverton and South Jordan, and West of Draper around the point of the mountain.

  • Honor Code Police Provo, Ut
    May 13, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    Woh! Zing! Good one Chewbacca.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 13, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    I agree with Magna Ute Fan (for the most part). The reason we don't have many good opponents at home is because of the short time Holmoe had to put a schedule together. They will get many good home games in the future, and many listed in your list are coming to Provo to play in the next few years (even if not all of them are 1-1 home-away ratio).

    As far as the TCU game, I think it is more winnable this year than it has been the last few years. TCU lost many people (we should never underestimate them, though), and BYU returns almost everyone it seems. In addition, last year our defense held them for a while. The defense just got worn out because the offense was not productive yet at that point (it took a couple more games for it to click). I like our chances. Our offense and defense should be better. It should be a good game (but I hope we blow them out of the water, personally!).

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 13, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Magna Ute Fan | 8:55 a.m. May 13, 2011
    Magna, UT
    Sports Junkie-

    "the Cougs have the freedom to schedule teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Boise St, Hawaii, TCU and Oregon St whenever they want"

    Too bad they can't play them ANYWHERE they want (LES).

    That's funny Magna Ute Fan. When I look at 2012 and beyond, I see everyone of them scheduled to play in Provo at LES, except TCU since we're playing them at a neutral site this year. And you can add Georgia Tech and West Virginia to the list while you're at it.

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    @ all Ute Fan

    Notre Dame is not the original BCS buster, they are apart of the BCS....

    Ever heard of the "Notre Dame Rule"

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    May 13, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Ahh... Bluto. You are nothing if not confident. Are you able to find a hat sufficiently large to fit on your head?

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 13, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Sports Junkie-

    "the Cougs have the freedom to schedule teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Boise St, Hawaii, TCU and Oregon St whenever they want"

    Too bad they can't play them ANYWHERE they want (LES). It's a good thing for the Y that they got Utah to come play in Provo. The rest of your home schedule against the "little sisters of the poor" has got to be rough on any real football fans.

    I think it's a little funny that cougar fans are saying that the game against TCU is guarenteed loss. I certainly don't think it should be with Andy Dalton and a few others gone.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 13, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    So being in a BCS conference is far better than being independent, but ND doesn't know it yet. Looks like they have been barking up the wrong tree for decades, then! You'd think they would have smartened up by now.

    Besides, even if no BCS would ever want BYU, I'm sure they'll get over it. They'll know the reasons why they were rejected (hint: it's not football, especially if it's true that Utah has been considered for PAC membership back in 2004) and be proud of it for not compromising their standards. Like when missionaries get rejected, they don't take it personally; the stranger doesn't hate the missionaries personally, he just doesn't like their church and/or their message. His loss.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 13, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    First of all Hedgehog

    If you are speaking, You imply...We infer...

    Furthermore, BYU has options Utah could never dream of.

    Independence, due to their own Brand and Cache.

    Utah must depend on the coat-tails of others. The socialistic Conference Model.

    If BYU ever does get a Big-12 offer, they won't have to give up their Brand (because they have one, unlike Utah) but rather, they would strike a deal similiar to Texas.

    They won't ever give up their own Network and the ability to cut their own side deals. That is the beauty of Independence.

    The dynamic has changed, and BYU is moving on and paving the way.

    This is the difference between a National Program like BYU vs a Coat-tailing Utah, Vanderbilt, Iowa St., Baylor, Wazzu, etc. type programs.

    USC, Oregon, ASU, Washington, Stanford, U will never be.

    Utah, like all doormat bottomfeeders, benefits from others achievenments (coat-tails), while BYU stands alone, and Likes It.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 13, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    hedgehog | 7:42 a.m. May 13, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "you're implying that since ND can join a BCS conference, but doesn't, means that obviously they think independence is a better option?"

    Riverton kewg,

    No what I'm inferring is that ND has options that byU could only dream about. ND can join any BCS conference they want to - at anytime. I suspect when the Big10 reaches a new network contract in a few years, ND will realize that the real money is being assoicated to a BCS conference - at which time they will be warmly welcomed into the fold.

    ===

    Regardless of what you feel you inferred, it stands where it is.

    ND has embraced independence.

    There is a reason they don't jump into the fold.

    Only a few teams could pull it off.

    It's where BYU is.

    BYU is no ND. However Utah is no USC or UCLA. The fact that they find themselves in the same situation is where they at. It's better than the MWC.

    If you have a prolem with BYU, keep posting on DesNew, and I'm sure Holmoe will make a change.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 13, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    hedgehog

    Notre Dame has the tradition, but BYU has played much better football than Notre Dame, Army, or Navy during the Bronco era.

    It's been almost as many years since Notre Dame won their last national championship as it's been sincer BYU won theirs.

    Bottom line is BYU haters like you are extremely worried about BYU actually being successful as an independent, which is why they spam every BYU article.

  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    May 13, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Tom,

    I suggest you get a bail out plan.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 13, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    "you're implying that since ND can join a BCS conference, but doesn't, means that obviously they think independence is a better option?"

    Riverton kewg,

    No what I'm inferring is that ND has options that byU could only dream about. ND can join any BCS conference they want to - at anytime. I suspect when the Big10 reaches a new network contract in a few years, ND will realize that the real money is being assoicated to a BCS conference - at which time they will be warmly welcomed into the fold.

    BYU has no such option.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    @ cheeseman187

    I don't believe Utah was invited to the PAC because of football only. They were invited because of the overall program from the University, both Academic and Athletic. Plus a few other choices dropped out that were before Utah.

    Again, we'll let the play on the field answer for itself. Who knows the PAC might be surprised.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    Dear Pavlova Utah and Colorado have been invited to be members of the new PAC-12, but are not official members until their contracts with their current conferences end, which does not occur until July 1, 2011. Then they become members. At that point and time you will see the changes in the PAC-12 website. They can't be in two conferences at the same time, thus the PAC-10 website does not list them as members. Think this through before commenting.

    Aggie fan. Not every team wins every game every year for a 13-0 record. As I told some Aggies students I met at the Fat Cow factory and they were gloating about their great victory, I reminded them that we will allow that once every 17 years so get ready for another 17 years of getting beat down. And why would you gloat about beating a 7-6 team anyway?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 13, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    We will see with football. The other sports will get shafted, it would seem to me. The chase for money....

  • cheeseman187 Costa Mesa, CA
    May 13, 2011 1:40 a.m.

    Utah fans really believe they were invited to the PAC because of football?

    Like, really? You guys believe that?

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    May 13, 2011 1:18 a.m.

    Imagine if the Desnews took a week off from posting articles about BYU.

    Imagine how much the trolls could get done with all that new found time and energy!

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    May 12, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    I am still trying to wrap my mind around this independent thing for BYU. With the likes of BSU and TCU in the same conference, what is BYU looking for? Well, when BYU made the bold move it left TCU in a position where they had to do something. The conference would have been great with a couple of top 10 teams in the mix. Show me that BYU can beat these guys and I will buy into the independent thing. If this was simply about the money, well, they threw most all of their athletic teams under the bus expect for women's soccer. But I guess the money was the key. Still does not make sense with the line up of teams that make up the majority of the second half of their schedule next year.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 12, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    Chris B

    BYU is used to beating PAC teams at LES. Utah won't be any different.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 12, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    "Let's make one thing clear. ND could join the BIG10, Big East, Big 12 and even the PAC12"

    And yet, they don't. So..... you're implying that since ND can join a BCS conference, but doesn't, means that obviously they think independence is a better option? If so, then BYU got the better deal than Utah. If not, then they are left out by the BCS conferences (for probably religious reasons, like BYU). Which is it? You're wrong either way.

  • TonganNinja Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    After our game in Sept. It'll be flashbacks of what the other Independent school did to U in their house.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Chris B

    "I wonder how it will feel to start every season 1-4 against quality teams..."

    You'll find out soon enough. Luckily, U scheduled a Big Sky team to start the season, or it could have been even worse.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    May 12, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    I was one who thought there would be more conference changes made in the near future (3-4 yrs). However, now with these big TV deals being made, I dont think any BCS conference is going to be willing to invite BYU and end up getting less money. Holmoe probably has it right in that BYU is forced to go it their own way, for the long term.

    The changes with Utah and BYU will be a good example of how money and opportunitys determine along the strength of a schools athletic program. Evidence of why the BCS and their big money games should be forced to allow more access to all NCAA schools.

    We will just have to wait and see what happens.

  • stonewall Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    As for the outlook on independence and the Pac-12, absolutely Utah got a great deal. They deserve credit for their football and basketball success and they made themselves the only viable candidate for an expansion partner with Colorado once the Texas thing fell through. Boise is an academic joke with no athletic success outside football and BYU is the most conservative school in the nation discussing joining the most liberal conference in the nation- wasn't going to happen, and Utah was by far the best fit. Utah has shown it can beat Pac-10 teams and most analysts predict they'll be a middle of the pack team in the conference this year. They'll win some games, but may not be able to pull off wins week in and week out. So they'll likely neither be terrible or great. As for BYU, a BCS conference probably would've been preferable to independence. But independence was a far better option than staying in the MWC, and their schedule and money have greatly improved, albeit not as much as Utah's, but their television exposure is vastly improved and is better than Utah's next year.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 12, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE | 3:07 p.m. May 12, 2011
    Herriman, UT

    Chris B, you are exactly right. They did that last year, won some games at the end of the season against teams with records way below .500, and got cocky. Now they think that they will be 10-2 this year at the worst. Even the king of all homerism Hans Olsen thinks that the little kitties will be 10-2. They have 4 guaranteed losses right now for sure on their schedule. UTAH, Texas, Ole Miss, and Utah St. Plus, Oregon St, and USF will be difficult as well.

    I find it quite funny that you are guaranteeing losses four months before the season starts. First off, there are no guaranteed losses, BYU is very capable of winning all 4 of those games. Second, The fact that you include Utah and Utah state in your guaranteed losses makes it all the more hilarious. Utah State doesn't even know who their starting QB is gonna be and Utah has a qb coming off a serious injury that has yet to start throwing. You trolls never cease to amaze me at how foolish you are.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 12, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    You know, what hacks off the ankle biters is that BYU refused to stay in their place.

    Utah finally got invited out of the shadows and into the daylight of college football. Good for U!

    BYU didn't get an invite- no one is quibbling. So BYU forced it's way into the light, and the wedges of the world are desperately afraid that we'll succeed. So they keep trying to contrast independence with a slot in one of the BCS conferences, when the real comparison should be against the option of having done nothing.

    Yeah, life could have been better if we had been invited to a big boy conference. Instead we'll just have to beat the big boys. At least now we have a national platform. Time to stand and deliver!

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    May 12, 2011 8:57 p.m.

    Only one thing needs to be pointed out from the article. Of course you all know who this applies to.

    "Obviously, the top teams in the country are going to be on TV anyway. If you look at the BCS conferences, the middle-of-the-pack, and lower teams, they're not on TV. They're in their conference TV schedules. We have an opportunity to get them on TV. TV likes non-conference games, even late in the schedule. They love great matchups between conferences."

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 12, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    DevilishUte: Doesn't matter what it means by how we answer. The PAC is a weak conference and Utah will be their doormat. The rest of the story will be answered at the end of the season.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 12, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    To East Coast Coug: Herriman is a community (incorporated town) in the south-west corner of the Salt Lake Valley.

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    May 12, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    @Pavalova
    "Interesting that on the pac-10.org website, the U nor CU even exist...yet."

    Possibly because until July 1st they still belong to their current conferences.

    "Btw, there is no pac-12.org, or pac12.org website."

    Maybe because according to an article in the DNews dated Feb 24, 2011, they are not planning on lauching the PAC-12 website until summer,(you know once they become the Pac-12). One of the domain names they would like is Pac12.com but it has been owned by Austin Linford,(who has received a cease-and-desist letter), since 2005.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 12, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    I love how Y fans like to model themselves after ND... as if they were simliar with similar options.

    Let's make one thing clear. ND could join the BIG10, Big East, Big 12 and even the PAC12 - Tomorrow, with the chose.

    BYU has no such option and most likely never will.

    Going forward it's best to compare BYU to the other Indys (ARMY and NAVY) when looking and similarities.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 12, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    "TCU had enough recent success to catch on with a BCS conference... the Y, well picture the fat kid who always loses at musical chairs...that's BYU."

    They may lose at musical chairs, but they have about 140 conference championships in the MWC compared to Utah's 40 (give or take 2 or 3 championships). CougFaninTX hit the nail on the head about the reasons BYU didn't get invited. Don't pull up the "research" card, either-- BYU is on the same level as many of the PAC schools (and better than 6 or so overall academically).

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 12, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    "Exciting times for BYU football. They may be quite the catch if and when the Big 12 decides to have 12 teams. Clearly the Big 12 is a much better conference for BYU than any other could be"

    Whoa Nelle,

    Dude, the big 12 ship sailed away last year. Texas/Oklahoma llc. has a couple of openings and both TCU and BYU pleaded their case...and the answer was NO.

    TCU had enough recent success to catch on with a BCS conference... the Y, well picture the fat kid who always loses at musical chairs...that's BYU.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 12, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    As a response to "Your 7-6 record doesn't say much with your journey into independence!"...

    And what do those humiliating losses from last year against TCU, ND and BSU say for your journey into the PAC 10.2 ?

    Also in regards to "BYU settling for independence" as if it was a last choice.

    BYU created its opportunity to independence. Utes could never pull off a solo ESPN contract.

    You utesies get ready for Primetime ESPN, graciously brought to U by BYU!

    You're welcome!

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 12, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    "I wonder how it will feel to start every season 1-4 against quality teams, only to pad your record and self esteem with WAC teams to end the season?"

    Better than Utah felt after starting with patsies and losing to quality teams, I'd guess.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    Two thoughts:

    1) I was impressed with next years football schedule. Very respectable!!

    2) I envisioned Mr. Holmoe as the famous Maytag repairman - in full damage control mode looking at the washing machine in SPIN cycle!!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    May 12, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    I think Holmoe has done a good job.

    ---

    Bleed Crimson, I imferred Hondo's quote as Notre Dame should be excluded as a BCS "buster" since they have a special clause that puts them on par with AQ teams. If the Y got into a BCS bowl this year, as Hondo predicts, BYU would be the original "independent" BCS buster, as Army and Navy have not gone (nor has any prior independent now aligned with a conference).

    I think it would be great to see BYU in a BCS game as a "buster"...except that they would have to go undefeated to get there and that would mean a victory over my alma mater, Utah. Can't cheer for that.

    ---

    Foolish Child, I don't believe there are any guarentted losses on BYU's schedule, not even TCU. Guarenteeing wins is also difficult, save Idaho State. True that Ole Miss went 4-8 and lost to Jacksonville State and Texas went 5-7 and lost to Iowa State (at home, no less), but both could improve this year. Plus Utah State and Utah both beat the Y last year. OSU is down, but never out.

    Should be fun.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    May 12, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    My how the hate is exuded by Chris B and a few others. Must wonder how your day starts out hating BYU so much. Must frustrate you when your predictions don't come true. Some of you need to get a life and put the hate behind you.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    May 12, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Chris B. Have to ask Utah how it will feel to start out 1-4 each year.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 12, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    If it makes the Ute trolls happy, I will profess that I believe BYU would accept an invite from the PAC12 or BIG12. But they didn't get one . . . why?

    No one knows for sure, but it seems obvious that it has more to do with their conservative values, unwillingness to play on Sunday or religious discrimination than it does their athletic programs. It also happened to TCU when the BIG12 was created, and TCU's invite was rescinded and given to Baylor.

    Facts: BYU has far more MWC Championships (all sports) and WAC Championships than Utah or any other team. BYU has a better football record over the past 5 years and the past 30 years than Utah. Utah had two glorious years, but BYU has been the more consistent performer with one NC. BYU draws more fans at home games and away games than Utah. The strength of the athletic programs are not the reason BYU did not get a PAC12 invite.

    But they didn't get an invite, and indepedence was and is a better option than the MWC, especially with Utah out of the conference. It's really that simple.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    It is a mistake to think of The Longhorns as a weak team because of last year. They don't go on losing streaks. Check your overconfidence.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    May 12, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    I am looking forward to independence. I am looking forward to seeing every football game in HD. I am looking forward to playing Texas, TCU, UCF, Ole Miss and yes, even Utah. BYU will do great as an independent, especially with an 8-yr. contract from ESPN. BYU football and basketball will be very good next year and possibly great. Go Cougs!

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    @Aggie238- argyle sweater smack? Really? C'mon Aggie fan, youre better than that. Your team beat my team just last year! I know thats like a foreign language to you folks but you could at least google what some other teams fans are saying that have beat the Cougs. Copy...Paste.

    Next years schedule is looking pretty good. So much for teams not wanting to play the Cougs. It feels good knowing the Cougs have the freedom to schedule teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Boise St, Hawaii, TCU and Oregon St whenever they want and they could be playing all those teams in the same year!

    10+ wins this year would be awesome. I would expect 9 wins. 8 wins would be a disappointment. 7 home games! Gotta love it! Go Cougs!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Exciting times for BYU football. They may be quite the catch if and when the Big 12 decides to have 12 teams. Clearly the Big 12 is a much better conference for BYU than any other could be. Until then let the independent good times roll.

    And please, does the DNews have to continue printing blatant lies every time some troll writes in something like the following quote?

    "first, now you know how SDSU feels on that blown call that was challenged! Which resulted in no home teams can have any representatives in the replay booth. BYU had to cheat to win that game! The replay shows it!!!"

    BYU did not cheat in that SDSU game. BYU employees did not make nor influence the wrong call in the replay booth. The call was wrong but it was made by a MWC official, not a BYU employee. The BYU employee in the booth offered the lead replay official a different view, one showing the fumble, but the lead official refused to look at it. Please stick with facts.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    I have to admit...you Ute boys can play ball. However, I'm surprised at the pooor quality of writing from such a fine academic institution. Passing in the PAC 12...maybe. Passing Freshman English, I doubt it!

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    May 12, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Ute trolls,

    Have one question.

    If you're so great,
    you're conference is so great,
    and your team is so great,

    Why do you obsess over BYU articles?

    BYU is independent, you went to the PAc 10.2.

    Why does it matter to you?

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    All the Ute naysayers are incredible.

    If they truly felt so confident about their little Ute braves, why do they spend their time reading BYU stories?

    Then, an even more curious question, why do they take time to comment on things they claim are so incredulous, like BYU having a good season?

    Me thinks they doth protest WAY too much.

  • nick Provo, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    How would many of the commentors on this site spend the hours of their days without BYU or the Church to talk about?

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 12, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    @ Menace
    Interesting that on the pac-10.org website, the U nor CU even exist...yet. It's only been 10 months since the deal to come over, you'd think they'd be able to change the logo and web site in include it's newest doormats/members.

    Btw, there is no pac-12.org, or pac12.org website. Perhaps those things will come after the U and CU begin to contribute to conference revenue...oops, that might take a while.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Hey, Chris B,

    You've been so wrong so many time about BYU and BYU athletics, we'd be likely to think you'd take a vacation with setting yourself out on a limb.

    One also has to wonder why it is that you read so many BYU sports stories.

    You truly are an enigma.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    May 12, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    I find it very interesting that there are more trolls than anyone else commenting on a BYU article. They say they are U fans but I don't know. The U has more class than that. These trolls are poor representatives of a fine University.

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    May 12, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    A true college football playoff should only include conference regular-season champions. No polls or opinions, or non-conference games considered. BYU will need to align itself with another conference to be included.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    May 12, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    @ Hondo

    "More importantly, the Cougs will go 1-0 in the BCS game they play this year. Yes, you read that right. BYU will be the original independent BCS buster, Notre Dame excluded."

    Nope, Notre Dame already has the Original Independent BCS Buster Title. They busted the BCS in 2005 and 2006. Even Notre Dame has played in two BCS games along side Utah, TCU, and Boise State. A one loss BYU independent will not get you into the BCS. You have to go undefeated just like every non-aq team does. No special privileges unless your Notre Dame.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    May 12, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    @ casual observer

    "The mighty ute victory over byu on a bad call and a blocked punt doesn't say much for utah's entry into the pac-12 either."

    Two things:

    first, now you know how SDSU feels on that blown call that was challenged! Which resulted in no home teams can have any representatives in the replay booth. BYU had to cheat to win that game! The replay shows it!!!

    second, It wasn't a block punt, it was a block game winning field goal. Remember your "Harline is still open"? Well, "Burton is still unblocked"!!!!

    Your 7-6 record doesn't say much with your journey into independence!

  • Foolish Child Syracuse, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE, you are mistaken. BYU's only guaranteed loss is TCU in Texas. Ole Miss is a weak team, as is Texas. They are both coming off similar dissapointing years last year.... just like BYU. And in our current schedule, we truly do have 6 guarantee wins, 3 maybes, and one loss..... GO COUGARS!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    May 12, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    What is the PAC? The Pacific Athletic Conference? Never heard of it. Lookin forward to the Pacific 12 Conference, though.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 12, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    @Pavalova
    Hardy har har. Nice attempt at humor. Not even original material. Rehashed.

    Utah has a conference (and won't be the doormat). BYU couldn't even muster an invite to a BCS conference. No one would take them. You know, deep down, that BYU would have ran to the table to sign an invite with the PAC or Big 12, but the invitation never came......so the kewgs settled on independence.

    Again, is the PAC-12 a difficult league or overrated? Many BYU fans come on here stating how hard it will be for Utah with the "big boys" and then in the next breath they mention how weak the conference is. Which is it? And be careful how answer that (hint if you answer it will be hard for the Utes then where does that put your team - Utah leads the head-to-head all-time and since 2002 Utah leads the series 6 to 3).

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    May 12, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Suuuure, Holmoe. BYU doesn't want automatic status because BYU wants to prove it belongs. Uh huh.

    No, even as an ardent BYU fan I recognize that BYU doesn't have the Notre Dame-like qualities to demand an automatic berth.

    Just win and everything else will fall in to place.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 12, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Of course BYU is happy to be independent. What else would they be? They wanted to be in a major conference but no one took them and they were tired of THE MTN coverage. No alternatives. I'm just not sure of one thing - Where is Herriman?

    And please, don't coax the Jazz into drafting Jimmer. He will die in obscurity out there. Let him play in a media center like New York or LA.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 12, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    There's a change of guard in Pac-12 land. There's a report that the new PAC offices have been outfitted with new doormats. Long time WSU doormats have now been replaced in favor of the new U of U doormat. Out with the old, and in with the U!

    The U is now the official doormat of the PAC-12. Bravo kids!

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Our own media day is going to be great. All the focus will be on us and I've read that ESPN might broadcast it live.

    I think the Cougs will go 11-1 during the regular season with the only loss coming to TCU. Realistically, though, I'm not even sure about that being a loss, especially given the fact that TCU lost their starting QB, several defenders, and several offensive threats.

    More importantly, the Cougs will go 1-0 in the BCS game they play this year. Yes, you read that right. BYU will be the original independent BCS buster, Notre Dame excluded.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    The mighty ute victory over byu on a bad call and a blocked punt doesn't say much for utah's entry into the pac-12 either.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Chris B | 2:53 p.m. May 12, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    I wonder how it will feel to start every season 1-4 against quality teams, only to pad your record and self esteem with WAC teams to end the season?
    ===

    I wonder how it feels to start each day obsessing about something you have absolutely no control over?

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    May 12, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    I'm glad somebody is excited about BYU's independence. Personally I still can't see how this was a good idea for any BYU team. The only team it even has a chance of benefitting is football and even that doesn't look good at all.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    Asked about the rivalry with Pac-12-bound Utah, Holmoe said it will be "just as intense, if not more."

    Will it rise to the intensity of a Colorado-Colorado State game?
    In-state teams.
    Different leagues.
    Played in September.
    Televisions tuned to games of national interest.
    A win or loss that doesn't affect poll rankings.
    An intense rivalry long forgotten by October.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Thank goodness I've never seen a picture of Scott Barnes wearing an argyle sweater. There are very few people in this world who can pull that off. Tom Holmoe is not one of them.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    I guess if you're going to pad your schedule, you should do it right. As for U, U are the pad.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 12, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    @CHrissy, You will know that feeling first hand. For once, your prediction will come true.

  • Chris Bryant SLC, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    Jeff Call is a great journalist.........

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    well christy - how bout go 0-12 every year if that makes you feel any better. so we will see. are you related to Doug Robinson or Brad Rock which I think you are one of them.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 12, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Chris B, you are exactly right. They did that last year, won some games at the end of the season against teams with records way below .500, and got cocky. Now they think that they will be 10-2 this year at the worst. Even the king of all homerism Hans Olsen thinks that the little kitties will be 10-2. They have 4 guaranteed losses right now for sure on their schedule. UTAH, Texas, Ole Miss, and Utah St. Plus, Oregon St, and USF will be difficult as well.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    I wonder how it will feel to start every season 1-4 against quality teams, only to pad your record and self esteem with WAC teams to end the season?