Comments about ‘Key medical providers’ group: Obama health care law is too complex to be workable’

I really don't know why everyone is so up in arms about Obamacare.

At the next election the GOP will gain enough of a majority to either repeal Obamacare or completely strip it of its funding. Either way, we're not going to have to deal with it for long.

Yes, medical reform is needed. Personally I'd like to see socialized medicine like all the other civilized nations of the world have... but insurance companies and drug companies have too big a hold on our government, so the simple solution will never happen.

News Flash....the GOP isn't likely to gain enough of a majority by the time Obama get's re-elected.

The economy is improving (not good for the GOP who said it wouldn't under Obama)

Obamacare is kicking in and people are starting to see and receive the benifits of having better health care.

Off year elections are voted on by a WHOLE LOT less people, hence the GOP was able to gain some ground. But once all those happy people who have jobs again, better health care (and don't want a Trump, Palin or a Bachman runniing the country) get to vote....the GOP is going to be in sad retreat.

Their (GOP) fear mongering style (Beck is an prime example) got shown for what it was. The whole world didn't fall apart and Obama is pulling the pieces together one piece at a time.

So expect Obama to be re-elected and expect more things the GOP doesn't like to be put on the table.

Healthcare reform...

that's 'Obamacare' to some of you...

is STILL better than the 'pre-existing conditions' America faced previously.

*'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...'

* Insurer revoked HIV Patients coverage Reuters 03/17/10
The person: Jerome Mitchell

* 'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09
The child: Alex Lange

'By the numbers, Alex (Lange) is in the 99th percentile for height and weight for babies his age. Insurers don't take babies above the 95th percentile, no matter how healthy they are otherwise.
"I could understand if we could control what he's eating. But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'

I sure hope those supporting Obama's version of Accountable Care Organizations is paying attention to this review. Mayo, Geisinger, Intermountain, and Cleveland Clinic, are recognized as the top healthcare organizations in the country. When they speak, hopefully someone is listening.

Accountable Care Organzations were happening without Obama's influence. There is absolutely no need for the federal government to get involved in managing the status quo, raising costs and reducing savings.

Pre Obama care or Romney care was unacceptable and unworkable as shown by bankrupticies due to medical costs. What will work is a government option for Medicare that applies to all Americans.

"make adjustments?" Obamacare needs to be adjusted (jettisoned) into space, and left there. This thing abominable; and we will rue the day we allowed this thing to be illegally passed and crammed down our throats. This is democracy? Sorry, this is Marxism, democracy does not work this way .

I should repect the healthcare industry? The same industry that refuses to computerize records without huge subsidies from the government? The same industry that refuses to allow any standard of care that they would be held accountable to in court?

Ya sure. This time they have OUR best interests at heart and not thier own. If it is so unworkable how so all the other countries that have advanced health care systems manage? Japan makes everyone buy health insurance and nobody can be turned down. Seems to have been managed. Stop ya whining.

Looks like a lot of people rather see a politician for health care than bother listening to the professionals who actually treat sick people.

Anyone who thought their insurance company's policies were confusing never looked at the thousands of pages (unread by the congressmen who voted for it!) or the thousands of additional pages of implementing rules being written by the bureaucrats who know almost nothing about medicine.

Get the government out of healthcare entirely and let the patient and providers deal directly, or with an insurance company.

No one is running to the socialist utopias where healthcare is "free" for treatment, they come the the U.S. if they can, even if they have to pay out of their own pocket to get better treatment than that "free stuff."

The worst of the problem being confronted is the conflicting demands being imposed which assure that the trial lawyers will make millions and drive up costs for "defensive" medicine as providers are sure to violate some vague provision in the complex maze created by congress and the bureaucrats.

Providers simply will refuse to participate in the Obamacare system. Then what will you do when sick?

How does Obamacare save money and reduce healthcare costs? It does so by requiring all Americans to have health insurance. This spreads the risk out across a larger pool. Insurance companies make great money under this plan. Imagine the government requiring everyone to purchase Levis...well, Levi Strauss will make great money too. This healthcare law is great for insurance companies.

How else does this law reduce healthcare costs? It does so by cutting reimbursement levels, or compensation, to hospitals and doctors. Imagine the government reaching in and cutting the salary of all farmers to reduce the cost of food, or all grocers to reduce food costs; or reduce the salaries of all printers to reduce the cost of books. Does government have the authority to do this?

I find this whole thing to be troubling. I wonder if the elimination of all health insurance companies, and opening market pressures upon the health care industry, would reduce costs in a more natural way?

What if all insurance was changed to be catastrophic only? HSAs could be provided if families or individuals so desired to cover incidental and more traditional health care costs. Insurances would only be involved in catastrophic cases, which could be defined by law. Would this reduce demand on health care? would this reduce the costs of health care for the government?

Naturally, if everyone pays into one system that is expected to cover all health care costs, then every individual will need to contribute the per capita cost of health care in order for the program to be sustainable (in actuality, there will be additional overhead, but we'll keep this example simple). Have you bothered to look at the per capita cost of health care lately?

In 2007, the cost of health care per capita in the US was $6,096.

That means a family of 4 would be responsible for their "fair share" of over $24,000 per year. We can even use optimistic numbers and assume that health care costs will somehow decrease by a full 20%, and a family of 4 would still be expected to pay nearly $20,000 per year.

Hopefully, as you see these numbers and try to think of solutions, your gut reaction won't be the typical Democrat approach of forcing someone else to pay for your "fair share." We are already seeing the ultimate effects of such approaches in countries like Greece.

Fix it by repealing it, there's no other way.

Pagan,
Obamacare has NOTHING to do with healthcare, it's all about insurance. It's a HUGE windfall to the insurance companies. Everyone is FORCED to be their customer. How would you like it if you were FORCED to be a customer of Deseret Book, and could only shop in the religious book section, where you would be FORCED each month to buy another book?

Of course Obamacare is too complex to be workable. Even one of its architects, queen nancy, said we had to pass it so we could see what was in it.

2000+ pages of incomprehensible gibberish.

its passage was a lie. BO promised it would bring the cost of healthcare down. It hasn't.

He said it would reduce the cost of healthcare to $2500 per family per year. Another lie.

He said if you like your current plan, you can keep it. another lie. Millions of seniors are losing their medicare advantage plans and other companies are cancelling their plans because they are not Obamacare complaint - it'll cost them less to pay the fines than buy Obamacare compliant insurance.

Of course it is unworkable, no one understands it. It is ripe for fraud,abuse and corruption! Duh!

@Hawkeye79: And considering median household income fell to $45,000 in 2010, are families really expected to spend as much as half of their income on healthcare?