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Published: Tuesday, May 10 2011 3:35 p.m. MDT

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reasonableUTE
Provo, UT

fellas, FELLAS... lets all calm down for a second and take a look at the guile spewing from our hate filled minds for a second. most of these posts are largely incoherent and preposterous. I am talking about both byu and utah fans. get a hold of yourselves people! have any of you ever heard of objectivity? geese! there is something about this rivalry that brings out the guile in people... what a shame!

at least its comforting to know that you nutjobs account for a very small percentage of each fan base.

reasonableUTE
Provo, UT

let me tell you all a story... I am a utah fan, living in Provo. My grandparents are byu fans, they give my family byu season tickets for football and basketball. I was forced by my parents to go to the games in exchange for tickets to the rivalry game. we had sat next to the same family for years. on the day of the rivalry game I showed up in UofU gear and sat next to the daughter of this family (I had sat next to her every game for several years). her father gave me a dirty look, and switched spots with her so he could protect her from the evil ute fan. he then proceeded to talk trash to me throughout the game while I sat quietly and politely as I always do...

This is a classic example of what this rivalry does to people. I am not saying that this applies only to byu fans, it goes both ways. some byu fans are idiots, some utah fans are idiots. We should all take a good look at ourselves!

sports-junkie
West Jordan, UT

Ute fans are mad. But why? You have the pac12. Sure theres a really good chance you wont even get to see your games, but at least you are at the "big boy table".

Because when it comes right down to it, its not about actually watching your team play, its about pounding your chest that you are in the pac12 and then reading about your game in the paper the next day.

factcheck
Salt Lake City, UT

Larry Scott HAD to add 2 teams to make a Championship game. He has watched the SEC and Big XII pull in loads of money from championship games. That is also why the Big10 is going that route as well. Also, look at all the times a PAC 10 team got ripped from a BCS games and even title games. Like Nebraska taking the spot from Oregon even after they lost the Big12 title game, or in USC being left out in 03 despite being #1 in both polls. My favorite was Cal being 'leaped' by Texas in 04 to go to the Rose Bowl. The extra game usually gave those teams a chance to jump up. With a 10 team conference it did not work, so they had to expand to keep up. Adding CO and UT made sense. Had to be a team in the west. The Utes and their BCS games were a good fit with the PAC 10 schools academically as well. A No-brainier for the Utes to make the jump..Congrats. That beings said, you are merely a pawn for the conference. Sorry, it is just the way it is.

utesovertide
Salt Lake City, UT

What's up with the DesNews reporting? We get two paragraphs that simply regurgitate information from ESPN. How about answering the questions many people have posted here on the board? Namely, what is the television situation for the U for the 2011 season?

They don't fall under the Pac 10 deal, and the new Pac 12 deal starts next year. Who owns the rights to Utah's home games, Utah or the Pac 10 (Since we join this summer)? Has Chris Hill been negotiating TV contracts (can he negotiate TV contracts) for the U's 2011 season? If not, who is?

I'm not even a reporter and I can think of a dozen or so questions to ask Chris Hill about this subject.

In answer to those saying the home team has the rights to the TV contract, that is true if you are not part of a league or if your league allows it. Utah/BYU would have LOVED to sell the rights to the rivalry game, but remember, that pesky MTN TV contract from our conference didn't allow it. So your statements are not completely accurate.

factcheck
Salt Lake City, UT

reasonableUTE....Give me a break. You go off as the 'Polite Police' then come back with some story, that frankly NO ONE believes. So let me get this straight. You are saying both schools have bad fans, but BYU fans are worse. "evil ute fan". Yep...I believe your story. LOL

Hondo
Springville, UT

I don't believe that reasonableUTE is telling the truth, either. I've never met a BYU fan that mistreats fans from another team, especially Utah. In fact, one year I gave the bag of tortillas I planned to throw during the game to a kid in a Utah sweatshirt so that he could dip them in his nacho cheese.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

reasonableUTE | 12:43 p.m. May 11, 2011
Provo, UT
"on the day of the rivalry game I showed up in UofU gear and sat next to the daughter of this family (I had sat next to her every game for several years). her father gave me a dirty look, and switched spots with her so he could protect her from the evil ute fan."
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OK, were you resting your hand on her knee, or anything?

You were forced by your parents into going to BYU games, yet you are old enough to have kids? What?

Serious, I'm siding with factcheck on this one. It's really not a classic story.

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If the PAC wanted Utah on TV, Utah would be on TV.

Please, tell me why that statement is wrong.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

utesovertide: "Who owns the rights to Utah's home games, Utah or the Pac 10"

Does it really matter?

Except for the Montana State game, all of Utah's home games are conference games. Does anyone believe that if ESPN had wanted to broadcast one of Utah's conference home games, Dr. Hill wouldn't jumped at the opportunity, even if Utah owned the rights?

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

@Hondo - Your story is every bit as ridiculous as reasonableUTE's story. Are you claiming that the Utah fan you gave your tortillas to was toting around a tub of nacho cheese and this nacho cheese toting Utah fan was hoping that some BYU fan would have an extra bag of tortillas to hand out?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

reasonableUTE

"on the day of the rivalry game I showed up in UofU gear and sat next to the daughter of this family (I had sat next to her every game for several years). her father gave me a dirty look, and switched spots with her so he could protect her from the evil ute fan."

So you're basically saying that after several years of sitting next to this girl, suddenly her father had a problem with you simply because you were wearing UofU gear?

Sorry, not buying that you're telling us the whole story.

"I was forced by my parents to go to the games in exchange for tickets to the rivalry game."

Instead of mooching off your parents, you should have stayed home and bought your own ticket to the rivalry game.

Doesn't sound like you're reasonable at all. Sounds more like you're just looking for something to whine about.

Bottom Line
Draper, UT

Alright finally we are getting somewhere here with the funny stories about a family bumming tickets off the parents for years after leaving the house (or maybe not). Do you just randomly show up to BYU games wearing Ute gear? I think I would protect my kids as well if a BYU fan showed up decked out in his gear to a Ute game when they were playing Wyoming. Something about stalking and obsession come to mind.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@devlishute

It is pretty obvious by now that hondo is a ute fan posing as a BYU fan.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@utesovertide

There are only 2 possible answers to that.

One...the pac10.

Two...utah itself.

They are no longer in the MWC so the mountain has no any rights to them. Evidence? BYU is no longer in the mwc and sold their rights for this year to ESPN. Obviously the mountain has no claim.

utah is now part of the pac10 so it stands to reason they are subject to the pac10's existing contracts. Just because they aren't getting paid for it doesn't matter. Evidence? They aren't getting any money next year either which is the 1st year of the new deal and they are obviously bound by that deal.

If utah owns their own rights this year then they could cut some kind of deal for their home games with someone. Even a local station. We have heard nothing of any such attempt. That means either the pac10 owns them or else no one wants them.

Like I said before one of the networks could give them a pittance and they'd take it, better than nothing huh? But they obviously don't want them. It is obvious they have no value on their own.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

@Duckhunter - reasonableUTE's story is every bit as ridiculous as Hondo's. No one is claiming he is a BYU fan acting like a Utah fan, although he very could be.

I've read Hondo's post all over BYU articles and he seems to be one of the crazies that buys everything hook, line, and sinker like HH or Chris B do with Utah stuff. If Hondo isn't a BYU fan, then Chris B and Ken aren't Utah fans. Both of these groups say ridiculous things.

TrollPolice
Salt Lake City, UT

Hondo is obviously a Ute troll in Cougar clothing... probably Chris B's alter-ego or her kid brother.

As far as Utah not having any games scheduled on ABC or ESPN, it had nothing to do with rights, but everything to do with lack of interest.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@devlishute

Well I suppose that is possible but I like my theory better. LOL

Either way we can dismiss those opinions.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Duckhunter | 2:50 p.m. May 11, 2011
Highland, UT

"If utah owns their own rights this year then they could cut some kind of deal for their home games with someone. Even a local station. We have heard nothing of any such attempt. That means either the pac10 owns them or else no one wants them."
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The U of U is in the PAC 12.

The PAC 12 decides which games to show. There a dates left TBA, and Utah may get one of those slots.

However, it is apparent that Larry Scott was needing a 12th body, and took Utah as the best availible candidate that would fit best with the PAC. No promises about exposure.

Just money.

Personally, I would guess had it been Texas that joined the PAC, Texas would be on TV.

I would also guess that many of the PAC presidents recieved (wink wink) concessions to allow Utah the invite, which might have included a commitment about TV appearances.

I don't think of it as a slam against the quality of the program, as much as the reality that there will not be the TV numbers to justify televising the U.

utesovertide
Salt Lake City, UT

@Duckhunter

Utah gets 50% next year. Utah's tiering into full status follows this schedule:

2011-2012: 0%
2012-2013: 50%
2013-2014: 75%
2014-2015: 100%

I knew Utah wasn't under the MWC's deal anymore come July, and didn't suggest they were.

"utah is now part of the pac10 so it stands to reason they are subject to the pac10's existing contracts." That's not necessarily true, it depends on what the contracts allow in their clauses. It would be nice to know...

The rest of your post is basically what I'm saying, except that I think it comes down to our local news media just going with the flow of what others like Ted Miller write, and not asking the questions we all want answered.

In fact, you, me, and other regular posters could go into the business of looking at the questions posted on these comment boards, ask the questions to the relevant parties, publish it, and probably run a profitable news outlet. I get tired of the "copy and paste" news publishing going on around here.

Sandy Sport Fan 2.0
Sandy, UT

I am glad this will be on ESPN2; I can't wait to see the game in HD. Thanks ESPN!

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