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Dick Harmon: BYU football: 2nd year much different for cover-boy QB Heaps

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    May 10, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    Whether or not the Y fan base is as "huge" as some of them suggest, or as "overblown" as others have questioned, is debatable. But in my opinion, BYU fans are amongst the most optimistic.

    But sometimes there's a fine line between optimism and delusional, when it comes to fandom. So if putting Heaps on the cover of Athlon does get the Y fans excited and optimistic, that's cool. But in order to truly be worthy of comparisons to Moore and Luck, Heaps will have to do more than put up gaudy stats against teams like UTEP, Idaho State, and NMSU.

    ---

    True Blue, to answer your question just look at another one of QBs on the cover:

    Kellen Moore:
    3,486 YDs, 25 Passing TDs as a frosh.
    BCS win as a sophomore.

    Also consider Andrew Luck:
    2,575 YDS, 13 Passing TDs (2 Rush) as a redshirt freshman
    BCS win as a sophomore.

    What will Heaps face in his sophomore season? Good, but not stellar competition, much like Moore's sophomore season in the WAC. The Broncos beat TCU in the Fiesta, but BSU needed perfection to get to the BCS. That's what's needed.

  • AggieLuva South Jordan, UT
    May 10, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    @Uteology
    " Love BYU fans, I really do.
    Myth: Heaps got better at the end of year.
    FACT: BYU's competition got worse at the end of year."

    Your beloved Wynnie put up all his numbers he had for last year against the same cupcake teams BYU played at the end of the year and you were bragging that Wynnie was ranked in the top 10 on the stupid ranking chart. Mark it down, Wynn will have worse #'s this year compared to BYU and USU QB's. You will have the worst QB running your offense in the state! Regardless who gets the nod at USU, your QB will be the worst out of these 3 schools. I believe Hart will get the nod at USU who will be a redshirt freshman who was in the same class Heaps came out in and will still be better than Wynnie. For your sake, hopefully this surgery Wynnie had gave him a new heart to, because he has none on the football field. I can't wait until Sept when BYU smashes U and too bad you are not playing USU this year because we would smash you to!

  • CG Orem, UT
    May 10, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Uteology

    Utah fans are constantly beating their chests about NFL draft picks as validation of having a good team.

    So, how would you rate a team that had three of the first four NFL players drafted, including the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 10, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    "BYU fans talking as though they just won a Heisman and a national title this decade."-Uteology

    130+ comments on this thread and not one BYU fans has suggested that BYU has won a Heisman and a NC this decade. Now that U mention it, how many have U won.

    You still haven't produced numbers of a true freshman that had better numbers than Heaps last year.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 10, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    Uteology

    Your "Myth: Heaps got better at the end of year."

    Fact: Heaps played much better the second half of the season.

    You're simply proving how little you know about college football by attributing ALL of Heaps improvement to lesser competition.

    Utah had THREE impromptu celebrations in 2008 at home after beating teams that were ranked MUCH lower than #3.

    The fact is, Utah has NEVER beaten a Top 3 team.

    Legacy programs win National Championships, Heisman Trophies, and are perennial Top 25 finishers.

    BYU finished the decade with FIVE Top 25 finishes.

    Utah has only had FIVE Top 25 finishes in their ENTIRE history (both polls).

    Who's really the pretender here Uteology?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 9, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Love BYU fans, I really do.

    Myth: Heaps got better at the end of year.

    FACT: BYU's competition got worse at the end of year.

    12 of his 15 TDs: Utep (4), CSU (4), UNM (2), and UNLV (2)

    BYU fans talking as though they just won a Heisman and a national title this decade. News flash teams that are a "legacy" program don't have impromptu celebrations for a 1-0 team nor is their biggest accomplishment in a decade is over a over hyped preseason #3 team:

    Football win over Oklahoma

    Led by a strong defensive effort and quarterback Max Hall's 328 yards passing, No. 20 BYU stunned No. 3 Oklahoma 14-13 on Sept 5 in the first college game played in the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

    The win marked the Cougars first victory over a top-3 team since defeating No.1 Miami on Sep 8, 1990.

    -- Tom Holmoe, BYU AD speaks at BYU's Campus Education Week 2010

    As Flavor Flav once said, "Don't Believe The Hype[s]".

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 9, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    Utah fans

    In the words of Karl Malone, "News flash".....everybody already knows Jake Heaps. He was the number one ranked qb recruit for his recruiting class. There was so much hype around Jake Heaps, even some of you are calling him Jake Hypes. It's not a matter of whether or not he gets noticed, it's a matter of whether or not he lives up to the "hype". That might explain all the press.

    Let's be realistic. Jake has a quick release, his footwork is astounding, his pocket presence is off the charts, his mechanics are that of a 5th year senior, and he has a rocket for an arm. BYU's coaches just need to make sure he doesn't get hurt, and that they coach up the players around him.

    Bashing Heaps doesn't make Wynn any better, it just makes Utah fans look like a bunch of people who don't know the first thing about analyzing a good qb.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 9, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    "the only way [HEAPS] gets noticed is if he beats Texas and Utah on national TV"

    So you're saying HEAPS:

    --won't get noticed, if he beats Ole Miss at Ole Miss on national TV?
    --won't get noticed, if he beats TCU in Cowboys Stadium on national TV?
    --won't get noticed, if he beats Oregon St at Oregon State on national TV?

    What a sad, pathetic prognostication, even for a Utah troll!

    You know, just because a Utah troll predicts that BYU won't get noticed, doesn't make it so:

    See Jimmer -- winner of EVERY major national player of the year award...

    despite Chris B's, hedgehog's, and other Utah troll's best efforts.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 9, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    "the only way JOKE gets noticed is if he beats Texas and Utah on national TV, and neither of those things will happen. Even with Texas being down, and Utah having offensive issues with new players and coaches, the Kewgs will still lose both of those games."

    Wow, that's quite a bold statement saying that BYU will not beat Utah. I'm guessing that you didn't watch the BYU-Utah game last year, or you forgot that this next year it's in Provo and BYU will be much improved and with an offensive coordinator that will not hesitate to score TDs rather than play timidly. The Texas game is also winnable.

    By the way, Jimmer's name was mispelled: does that mean he wasn't well-known? I'm sure Jake Heaps' name will become known, like people know Luck's name.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    May 9, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    DeepBlue

    Utah State falls into your list of cupcakes, even though they're probably going to be a decent team, and one BYU certainly won't be looking past after last season, but regardless of how good Utah State is, the national view of the Aggies is they're a cupcake.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    May 9, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    BYU has been pumping QBs for more than 30 years now. We get up close and personal looks at these guys almost every night. We know what it feels like to have top talent because we get it all the time.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 9, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    What U, and all of the other Utah naysayers are too blind to see is that BYU fan excitement isn't based on Heaps' stats or his competition.

    What excites BYU fans is the poise, footwork, reads, delivery, and execution we saw from Heaps in the second half of the season, reminiscent of many of the great quarterbacks who have played for QB U.

    BYU fans recognize great QB talent when they see it, and they see it in spades with Jake Heaps. All of the hype surrounding Jake coming out of high school started to take shape in the second half of Jake's freshman season.

    I put the Jake-doubting Utah fans in the same category as the Utah fans who last season were claiming that Henderson was as good as Jimmer. Come September, they'll be eating their words.

    When BYU fans say that anyone of BYU's backup QBs could start at the U in place of Wynn, it's not just hype.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 9, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Contrary to rampant rumors abroad in the world of Collegiate sports, BYU and the LDS Church DO NOT own Sports Illustrated or Athlon Sports. They simply know a great talent when they see one.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 9, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    The utes will never play another BCS bowl game. With luck, maybe a Vegas Bowl, but it will be at least a few years if ever. This has been marked.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 9, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Wasn't coach Whitt on the 84 championship team? I wonder what he'd think if U fan told him to his face that it was tainted. Just sayin'

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 9, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Great. Heaps started to show some potential at the end of last season. Who cares. His great games were against pathetic to lower tiered teams. The same teams that Jordan Wynn beat up. That doesnt make Wynn the next Heisman winner, and the same holds true for Joke Hypes. Once Jake has a good game against a team that is halfway decent, above .500 (the bowl game vs UTEP doesnt count. they were worse than Wyoming but somehow made a bowl) then Athlon and other sporting magazines can start to talk about him. A Y fan had to email in for them to spell his name right, at it was already on the cover on the back of his jersey. No one knows who this kid is, and no one will after this season either. the only way JOKE gets noticed is if he beats Texas and Utah on national TV, and neither of those things will happen. Even with Texas being down, and Utah having offensive issues with new players and coaches, the Kewgs will still lose both of those games.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    May 9, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    re: Tom in CA.
    Ok, "distant" second may be a little harsh, but I still stand by my position that Moore is the best college QB in the West. As an NFL prospect, no doubt, Luck ranks higher, but what Moore does for his team, and the way he sees the field, and the accuracy of his arm. . ., I just haven't seen anyone better.

    If Heaps pans out like these guys did, I'll be very pleased indeed.

  • T-spoon West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    "I love this. Just a simple picture and little notoriety for BYU and U fans go ballistic. It's just too predictable."

    Ditto. It's easy for them to hide behind a computer screen.

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    May 9, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    I'm glad that Heaps is getting all this publicity so early in the football season. This way he'll be used to all the hub bub by the time the season starts and he is receiving much more attention.

    It's cool, too, that Dick Harmon is bringing this to light. As one of the better writers in Utah, he has a special place in my heart. I once saw him slurping up a froosty frozen treat the the creamery and I was too afraid to request his autograph. If I saw him, today, I would be far less timid. I'd ask for him to sign my forearm with a Sharpie. Bold, yes. Cool, double yes.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 9, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    @idablu 9:38pm May8:

    "Realistically--Kellen Moore is the best QB in the West, hands down. Andrew is a distant second."

    WHAT???

    idablu, I hate to burst your bubble, and I am a huge Kellen Moore fan, but to say Luck is a distant second is completely ridiculous. Seriously - have you even ever watched Luck play?? Andrew Luck is a man among boys - pay better attention - this guy is a major stud. I would put my money on Luck over Moore all things being equal. Again - in my humble opinion Moore is terrific.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    May 9, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Another young LDS quarterback needs watching. Chandler Cox is an eighth grader now working out with the Apopka, Florida High school varsity. Apopka is a perenially top ten team nationally. Chandler, now 6'1" and 170 lbs led his Apopka league team to the 8th grade Regional championship in Florida. He was selected as one of four All American 8th grade quarterbacks in the National Championship tournament where he was selected MVP. He loves BYU but will certainly be looked at by the major Southern Schools as his career progresses.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 9, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Anyone who watched Heaps last year saw the maturation and development of a QB who is going to be very, very good. I suspect we will see him continue to develop at a rapid rate in his Sophomore year as well. By the time he finishes his career at BYU he will be be in the same conversations as McMahon, Young and Detmer. Anyone who thinks he is just another QB, didn't watch 13 BYU football games last year.

    Wynn on the other hand looks like just another D1 QB. It doesn't take an expert to realize he's not cut out of the same cloth as Alex Smith or Brian Johnson. Maybe it was his injured shoulder and he has more to offer, but I haven't seen anything to show me he is going to lead the Utes to PAC12 glory.

    In fact, I would venture to say that any of BYU's backups (Nelson, Lark or Munns) could beat out Wynn for the starting job if they had chosen the team up north.

    With Hill, Mangum, Olsen and Kuresa as QB commits, the future is very bright!

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    May 9, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    I love this. Just a simple picture and little notoriety for BYU and U fans go ballistic. It's just too predictable.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 9, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    Well, with Heaps getting married in June, that takes the whole mission thing out of the picture. Looks like he's planning on playing ball for all 4 years, and perhaps a career in the NFL. Good for him and his soon-to-be family.

    Dear ESPN, could you please stop showing Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder highlights? Those 30 second segments of footage remind us all how horrible this front 7 were at tackling last season.

    Hopefully Bronco can steer the ship right with his defensive control this year.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 9, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    The Official NCAA website maintains a list national champions in every NCAA sport, including Coaches AND AP national champions in major college football.

    Strangely, there is no list of BCS busters or 2nd place finishers.

    Draw your own conclusions.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Look this is nothing new, same old preseason hype every year..."

    Get real.

    EVERY team has preseason hype, except, I guess, the Utes. It's funny how you beat your chest when the Utes are ranked in a pre-season poll or Utah's spring practice is covered by Urban Meyer on ESPN, but then bag on BYU fans for being excited about their sophomore QB sensation being featured on the cover of a pre-season college football magazine.

    BYUs win over Oklahoma was hardly "pre-season" and there's absolutely NO difference between BYU fans greeting their returning football team at the airport to celebrate their win and Utah fans rushing the field THREE times during the 2008 season to celebrate wins.

    As far as BYU's quest/goal, why would you print T-shirts AFTER the fact. That's like announcing your goal to bust the BCS AFTER the season.

    After two-straight 11-2, Top 15 finishes, a goal of an undefeated season was very reasonable.

    Utah fans are just jealous that BYU's lone undefeated season ended with the ULTIMATE prize, a National Championship!

    Utah fans have to be content with 2nd/4th/5th.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 9, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    chrissy,hedgie, honorless and the others from the chorus line are really on one. Just can't stand to see all the good publicity BYU constantly gets. Rollin with the trollin, zealous with the jealous, unconfessed but still obsessed and transparent as glass with lack of class. Keep it up children, the adults are not amused much anymore but I'm sure all of you are impressing each other in some way. Very comical.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    **ONE Person Per Year, wins the Heisman Memorial Trophy....est. 1935

    **One team per year (possibly two) wins the National Championship in Football.

    National Championship Trophies:

    Major:
    Associated Press est. 1936 (Writers)
    AFCA est. 1950 (Coaches) UPI, USA-T/ESPNorCNN, USA-T, BCS
    Grantland Rice est. 1954 (FWAA)
    MacArthur est. 1959 (NFF)

    The Selectors which are used to determine the teams listed as "CONSENSUS NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" in the NCAA record book, are....

    *AP Poll (Writers)
    *AFCA (Coaches)
    *FWAA (Football Writers Association of America)
    *NFF (National Football Foundation)

    BYU was voted Number-One, by Every One of These Organizations.

    BYU..1984 "Consensus National Champion"! No Debate....No Split

    Try as you may Hedgie, to equate a BCS bowl game with a National Championship or a Heisman, it is NOT the same.

    Ten teams per year play in a BCS game. The contrived Illegal BCS system was only established in 1998, it does not have the History nor Prestige that a N/C and Heisman have.

    And nobody believes the BCS will be around for 60-70 or 80 years as the Heisman and N/C's have been.

    We understand, It's all You have to cling to.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 9, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Uteology and Hedgehog:

    What would you kids prefer?

    That National Sports magazines ignore BYU athletics? That ESPN refuse to televise games they know will make them money?

    That BYU fans refuse to recognize how good Jimmer and the basketball program was, and how bright their future looks?

    That fans don't get excited about how how the team finished last year? How about they look past how much potential Heaps has?

    ===

    My suggestion, is for you kids to get excited about the University of
    Utah and the PAC if you can't see what is going on in Utah County...

    Or take the easy way out, and get excited for, and support all teams from Utah.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 9, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Jordan Wynn
    RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
    91.5 2334 17 10 62.2

    Jake Heaps
    RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
    78.2 2316 15 9 57.2

    Uteology,

    Those are the numbers for both Heaps and Wynn. Remember Heaps was a freshman, Wynn was a sophomore. Also, Heaps didn't get all of the snaps at the start of the year. Please show us some stats of a true freshman that are comparable and then tell us all how really bad Heaps is.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 9, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    " see, when one has been there and done that, it's not improbable"

    Beluga,

    So what your saying is that getting to a BCS game or getting invited to a BCS conference are imprabable to the kewgs.

    Got it.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 9, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    hedge

    Knee jerk would infer that there was no thought or planning before making the decision. That is absolutely false. However, I do believe that if you read Bluto's comments you would see that he acknowledged Utah going to the PAC as a key to them finally pulling the trigger. You guys really need to read the comments before you comment.

    By the way, what team has a parade for finishing fourth? Answer, Utah.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    @Uteology

    Said:
    "As of today the real question is will BYU win the national championship or will Heaps win the Heisman first?"

    One thing is for certian Ms. Uteology.......

    1-BYU "HAS" already WON a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and

    2-BYU "HAS" also had a player WIN a HEISMAN TROPHY.

    And that is part of what constitutes a Legacy program.

    Unfortunately your Utes have done NEITHER!

    U see, when one has been there and done that, it's not improbable.

    When one has never even come close, then that is more likely a fantasy. That be U.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 9, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    "Yes Howie, BYU always plans 5-10 years out.

    Stop flattering yourself in thinking that BYU's Independence was only in response to utah's move."

    Beluga,

    No ones argueing that byu was looking into such technology for the past few years. What is being challenged is Y they pulled the trigger only days afer Utah was invited ( and not byu) to the Conference of Champions.

    Would bYu be independent if Utah was still a Non AQ like the kewgs? I think even you Beluga, must admit that bYu pulled the knee jerk reaction MAINLY because of Utah moving to a much better conference.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    BYU does not have to justify their National Brand, Cache or Legacy to guys like you.

    The fact that ESPN is paying Millions for BYU's Brand and tapping it's National Fanbase, escapes your ability to comprehend, is not our problem, it's your's.

    Here are some quotes from:
    Dave Brown, Excutive Vice President for ESPN programming.

    "In the realm that is College Football, BYU's Brand is both National and Relevant".

    "There is a proud and remarkable history of success at BYU, adding that their ability as a "National Brand" is going to be "great."

    "BYU always rates great for us"

    "The great thing about BYU, is the other Big Names in the sport love playing em, just because of everything that BYU represents"

    "We have had a great relationship with BYU over the years thanks in part to
    LaVell Edwards, who gave us so many signature games in the past that really put ESPN on the Map in terms of being a College Football
    Destination Network."

    Now Howard S.

    Show us your credentials!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2011 7:16 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    We deal with facts here, can't handle it? Move on.

    *BYU-TV has been on National Networks for over a decade now.

    *Five years ago, plans were set in motion for the Nations best broadcast facility to be constructed. $50 million.

    *3 years ago, construction began and was nearly complete, before Utah was even invited to the Pac 10.2.

    *HD hard wiring to all the venues at BYU was completed one year before Utah went Pac 10.2

    Yes Howie, BYU always plans 5-10 years out.

    Stop flattering yourself in thinking that BYU's Independence was only in response to utah's move.

    In fact, BYU's delay in going Independent was because BYU was too considerate of Utah. Once Utah went their own way, BYU was ready and pulled the trigger. No way BYU puts it all together in 60 days, from scratch.

    This has been a serious option for BYU for a nearly a decade and talked about for 25 years. When the TV contract was rocked with new ownership of the mtn., things began to move.

    All those involved in the original TV deal, Bateman, Checketts, Val Hale etc.,
    are long gone.

  • True blue through and through Riverton, Utah
    May 9, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    Jake is an INCREDIBLE Quarterback and he was an All-American as a Freshman!
    Name one QB who passed for 2,300 yards and 16 passing touchdowns (along with one running the ball) in their Freshman year! Not even Ty Detmer got THAT far in his Freshman year and Detmer was great even in his Freshman year! Jake Heaps played amazing and he is now about to play incredible and be one of the GREATS! It's Quarterbacks like HIM that leads teams to a BCS championship, or National Championship. Cougar fans, get ready for an amazing and improved football season! RAW! RAW! RAW! RAW! RAW! RAW! GOOOOOOO COUGARS!!!!!!!! ROAR!!!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 9, 2011 1:47 a.m.

    Howard S., do you have any proof that the "huge fan base" for BYU sports is a myth? I didn't think so.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 9, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    JayDee, I guess the Utes would say that on that day there was a total eclipse of the sun, so the sun was not shining!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 9, 2011 12:49 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    You say couple dozen, DN says "several hundred". Regardless, that's N more than any other fan base.

    DN Monday, Sept. 7, 2009:

    "In the wake of [a 1-0 start] spontaneous celebrations erupted throughout [Provo] and lasted well into the early hours of the morning on Sunday... BYU fans formed impromptu gatherings at places like LaVell Edwards Stadium, the Marriott Center, and the Wilkinson Center, among others, and several hundred of them showed up at the Provo Municipal Airport to welcome home the team when it landed at 1:45 in the morning."

    Look this is nothing new, same old preseason hype every year...

    "I feel we're going to be one of the best receiving corps that ever came through BYU. Probably one of the top 10 in the nation as well. I believe in our receiving corps." -- DN Aug. 14, 2010

    All I know is as of now Heaps had a horrible year, beat up on bad teams struggled to score against better defenses. As of today the real question is will BYU win the national championship or will Heaps win the Heisman first?

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    May 9, 2011 12:01 a.m.

    There You Go Again,

    "Until BYU can drop those kinds of teams from their schedule, they will be held to the same standard."

    Your argument holds no weight, because BSu only played WAC teams and 1 or 2 BCS team a year.
    BYU will face FIVE BCS teams in its first year of Independence. BSu has played a total of 8 BCS teams since 2004. (Georgia, Oregon St. x3, Oregon x2, Washington, and VT)

    There is really no comparison.

    An 11-1 BYU = BCS game
    Depending on the timing and the competition, I think a 10-2 BYU could even crack into the BCS.

    That is if the BCS is still around a year or two from now.. This anti-trust case seems to be gaining momentum.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    May 8, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    Howard S.

    The ESPN contract is all the proof you need buddy.
    An 8yr independent contract with ESPN speaks volumes about BYU's national presence.
    Sure Utah can get a great TV deal when coupled with bigger and better programs, but BYU has shown it can stand on its own. And this can only be a result of ESPN knowing that lots and LOTS of people will be watching the Cougars playing on ESPN.

    Also, there were 20,000+ in attendance at the BYU vs. OU game just two years ago.
    Does Utah even have 20,000 fans? Seriously

    I know this may be too complicated for simple minders like yourself, but the facts are the facts.
    BYU is directly associated with the LDS church. Which obviously brings in a large national fanbase in itself.
    BYU was the only team in the country (before Texas) to have an exclusive Independent contract with ESPN. You have to be hopelessly delusional to ignore such strong indications.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    T-spoon

    "BYU has had the option of independence for several years now."
    ***************

    That's the spin, and some people actually believe it.

  • T-spoon West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:59 p.m.

    "Why did BYU wait until after the summer of realignment ended without a Cougar invite before they decided that independence was the option they wanted all along?"

    You are very uninformed Howard S. BYU has had the option of independence for several years now. However, BYU wasn't going to leave Utah alone in the MWC.

    You have no credibility, yet you try to speak as an "expert" in these matters.

    I congratulate the Utes for their leap into the PAC12. Good luck to both teams in the upcoming season.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    Boise St. has played in two BCS Bowl Games.

    Boise St. had to go undefeated to gain access to a BCS Bowl Game.

    Why did BSU have to go undefeated?

    Utah St., San Jose St., Idaho St., New Mexico St., Idaho etc.

    Until BYU can drop those kinds of teams from their schedule, they will be held to the same standard.

    One loss, in an overtime game, dropped Boise St. from a BCS game to the Las Vegas Bowl.

    Heaps could have an outstanding/record breaking year, like Kellen Moore from Boise St. did last year, and still not lead BYU to a BCS game, due to one loss "standard".

    An undefeated season is imperative if BYU is to avoid being relegated to one of the 2nd tier bowls.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 8, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    Does anyone honestly think the utes will be in a bowl game this year? In their second year, they'll qualify for pac-12 benefits, but will be a bottom dweller.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    May 8, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Realistically--Kellen Moore is the best QB in the West, hands down. Andrew is a distant second. Heaps really hasn't done anything to even be mentioned with the other two. Maybe he will be by the end of this year, but as of now, it really is all hype. He's had a couple of good games against lousy teams, but I'll reserve judgement until after the first 4 games of the season. Here's hoping he'll live up to the hype.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    "They are a national group that is huge."
    ***********

    Mr. Cougars1 -

    If you can't prove it, you're just making it up.

    Would you care to back up your claim with anything that is verifiable and quantifiable?

    Or are you satisfied to continue to perpetuate the unfounded, unsupported Cougar myth of a vast national fan base?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 8, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Heaps will be the next BYU qb to win a super bowl ring if Beck or Max Hall don't beat him to it.

    Ha ha, comparing Jordan Wynn to Jake Heaps is like comparing Alex Smith to Steve Young.

    Heaps has nothing to worry about. He will have a breakout year. You can bet your house on it. Mark my words and mark it down.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    May 8, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    The thing I liked most was Mr Harmon recognizing the BYU is "over hyped". Of course, he contributes mightily to this condition as well but it is good to see some in the media recognize the problem.

    Just keep it real with managed expectations and people will view BYU's year better than if they over promise (hype) and under deliver as they often do. Hope for a very successful year is much different than talk about easily being 10-2 again when they play teams like Texas, Old Miss, OSU, TCU and Utah. Even if you are still certain your team is the best a dose of humility would greatly improve the teams image. Just follow the Boise State coach's approach and you will do fine. Add in Whittinghams approach about not worrying about titles and BCS games until November because if you good enough to be there you will be there in November when the entrance fee for these games is really paid.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    @hank pym and utah bronco

    Sure there are a few of each of those. A few.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Quite an honor for Heaps to be on the cover of a national magazine with Andrew Luck and Kellen Moore. He isnt yet at their level but then again he is just entering his sophmore season while the other two are seniors so he isnt expected to be. Heaps has a ton of potential and ability to be a great QB, hopefully he can continue to build on what he was able to do the second half of last season. Good Luck Jake, im looking forward to seeing you continue to develop and hopefully become another one of the many great QBs to play at BYU.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 8, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that you're constantly bringing up an airport "celebration" that involved a couple dozen fans. It just shows how desperate you are to find something to pick at.

    And, why wouldn't a team print a "quest" t-shirt before the season?

    After all, it's not a "quest" after it's been accomplished. The Utes are just too chicken to declare their "quests" ahead of time; that way they can save face when their "quest" fails miserably, like it did last season.

    Remember all of the bluster from Utah fans before "the biggest game in the history of Utah"?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 8, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    Independence with $millions next year vs $0 next year feels just about right.

    After that, the monetary futures of both schools is yet to be completely written. At least BYU's doesn't have a cap on it.

    It cracks me up how now that the Utes are in the Pac-12 and have a conference ESPN contract in their future (bit by bit), they still HAVE to post on BYU articles. Sad. Really sad.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 8, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    Hank Pym

    Comparing the size of BYU's fan base to the Yankees and Lakers is quite a compliment. Thank you.

    Now if you would kindly remove yourself from the Wasatch Front, you would realize just how many BYU fans there are. They are a national group that is huge.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 8, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    Veritas

    I agree 100%. I am very excited for the coming year.

    Wallywest

    I promise you that BYU fans have not forgotten the winningest qb in the history of BYU. BYU fans just know that when one great qb leaves, there is 2 or 3 more waiting in the wings to take over. Utah wouldn't know a Heisman hopeful if it bit them in the butt. When was the last time Utah had a qb on the Heisman watch list? BSU has even had a couple. Reason #747 why Utah fans have no credibility when it comes to analyzing Heaps' abilities.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    May 8, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    @ Hank Pym (12:00pm)-

    ...and some root for the Boise State Broncos too.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    May 8, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    Veritas,

    Ask a Ute and BYU has never won a game nor have they lost one.

    Ute Trolls,

    The momentum is building in both football and basketball. It must have been brutal watching the "Jimmer Show" and now you are staring at what will soon be even larger which is BYU football and the "Jake Show". Now is the time to jump ship from what will be a losing record in football and another train wreck in basketball. Get out now while you still can even it is a defection to Utah State.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    Best of luck to Jake and all of his teammates. I hope they work hard in the coming months and return ready and hungry to compete. It is exciting that the media, fans, and their coaches have high expectations for them as fall camp and the season begin. That's what makes sports so fantastic--seeing if individual effort, combined with the team dynamic and great coaching brings about desired results.

    As for the bevy of U trolls and their endless nay-saying harangues, I simply remember utahcountyute's proclamation that "Jimmer Fredette and BYU basketball are not nationally relevant." Their general insistence that the sun is not shining at mid-day on a cloudless afternoon reminds me how much credence I should give their opinions about BYU sports.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    LonestarRunner

    "There's a good reason Heaps is on the cover of a preseason magazine..."
    *********

    And what is that good reason?

    His stellar performance against the powerful UTEP miners in the high profile New Mexico Bowl?

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 8, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    @Buster
    "Uteology (1:21 p.m.) was posting the same drivel about preseaon BYU basketball, before he finally let it go."

    ----

    I was? That's news to me, please provide my post I did that. Because I can't recall the last time BYU basketball printed preseason "Perfection" t-shirts or had Provo Airport celebrations for a 1-0 team for me to say such a thing.

    @LonestarRunner
    Yes BYU fans are sooooooo much different, why? Well I can't recall a single airport celebration outside of Provo for a 1-0 team. Other fans wait until after the postseason to print "Perfection" t-shirts... see Utah Utes 2008 season for an example.

    Heaps still could be a Heisman winner, only time will tell. But first he needs to lead his team to 17 points vs a .500 team before I jump on his bandwagon.

  • Scoreboard Draper, UT
    May 8, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    @wedgie
    The dude said that they publish regional editions geared towards schools in that area but that this was the NATIONAL edition, not a regional edition.

    BTW, speaking of regional editions, for the Pac12 edition they're doing a 4 page spread on BYU, not Utah (the newest member of their conference). I guess that whole expansion debacle is an embarrassment that the PAC 12 would rather not talk about it. Lets hope you don't get left out of the Pac12's Pre-season media guide as well......

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Yeap its preseson BYU's time of year."

    Yes, BYU fans are soooooooo much different than any other fanbase with high expectations for the coming season.

    Get over your jealousy.

    There's a good reason Heaps is on the cover of a preseason magazine and Wynn isn't.

    Despite Utah fans' best efforts to downplay Heaps since the moment he announced that he was coming to BYU, the hype surrounding Jake started to become reality the last half of last season.

    Even college football analysts completely unconnected with BYU are recognizing Jake's talent and potential.

    The BYU fanbase is excited to have Heaps as their starting quarterback for the coming season.

    Can the Utah fanbase honestly say the same thing about Wynn?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    bigutefan

    By the same rationale, Heaps beat the Utes, so Jake does have a win over a winning team.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    May 8, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    I'm so jealous. St. Heaps will slow the glacier melt and bring glory back to Provo! I wish I was a BYU fan.. I'm just not pious enough

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 8, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    BYU fans and Utah fans alike can come together today to enjoy the dismantling of the Lakers by the Mavs. It doesn't matter who is better than who or who is getting the most money or who has the most talented players. Right now all that matters is that the Lakers are suffering. Happy mothers day.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    May 8, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Fan base literacy drives what's on and between the covers.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    Cougars1 | 1:34 p.m.
    Bluffdale, UT
    I have to agree with what SOME of what the Utah faithful are saying. All the preseason recognition is very nice...
    ===

    What we learned with Jimmer last year is where there is smoke, there usually is fire.

    This pre-season hype is coming from the national media. Not BYU fans...

    BYU's comes on their own... (not a former coach who "still can't say it", or a press conference sitting at the end of the bench with the schools that got you there.)

    ===

    Also, why can't fans talk about the upcoming season?

    Utah has made giant strides from last year with an invite to be the 12th body.

    BYU made giant strides from last year also. But BYU is doing it on their own name, their own athletic cachet (A mark or quality, as of distinction, individuality, or authenticity).

    Uteology (1:21 p.m.) was posting the same drivel about preseaon BYU basketball, before he finally let it go.
    (Yeap?)

    When will Utah fans be happy just being fans of the U, and stop the whining?

    Geez, just deposit your check, and stop stalking BYU through the DesNews...

    It's unhealthy.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    Bugoff

    Ask yourself this question Mr. Bugoff...

    If the the PAC 12 or the BIG 12 called with an invitation to join their conference tomorrow, how long would it take Tom Holmoe to accept?

    If you're honest you know the answer is about a half second.

    Also ask yourself the following question....

    Why did BYU wait until after the summer of realignment ended without a Cougar invite before they decided that independence was the option they wanted all along?

    If you're honest you know the answer is that they were really hoping for a PAC 10 or a Big 12 invitation.

    Oh yeah... membership in a power conference is a superior situation to whatever BYU has...

    And honest Cougars know it.

    Oh, and if you are suggesting that the BCS will be short lived, you may be right.

    But you won't like the change, because it will be to 4 non-NCAA conferences of 16 teams that will continue to include Utah and exclude BYU.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    May 8, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Money does'nt equal success but magazine covers sure equal success.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 8, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    Sheeesh, enough with the bitter vindictiveness, on both sides.

    I DO think the end of last years' season for Utah should be disturbing, but I have learned (by sad experience) never to underestimate Coach Whit. When people predict an 8-3 season for the Utes, I believe it. But I absolutely believe they will only have to travel 40 miles for one of those losses.

    As far as no-one in the Midwest even knowing who Jake Heaps is, with or without the 'S', I only wish more people were that stupid and arrogant. Then they wouldn't see it coming and when it's over they wouldn't know what hit them. Some fans may be that incredibly moronic or vitriolic, but I guarantee that players and coaches in Texas, Mississippi, Florida and others are well aware of who Jake Heap(s) is and what he can do.

    Utah MAY get a better bowl with a worse record this year, and I promise not to be bitter! We won't know till they play all the games, but I like our chances just fine. What I see from some Ute fans on these boards is insecurity and fear.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 8, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    re: EdGrady | 10:41 a.m. May 8, 2011

    Maybe, because the U knows football is a team sport and success is not determined by 1 individual.

    I recall how way kitty fans though Maxie was the next big things 16 seconds after Beck's last game. Now, Hall is an after thought and Heaps is the man... at least until about Thanksgiving of 2013.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 8, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    @Howard S

    Actually BYU does have a better situation than Utah. Utah will get tons of money, be a BCS member (for a while) and lucked into the weak South PAC. That is a good situation for them.

    However, BYU needs and wants national recognition. The PAC will not get that for them nearly as well as independence. BYU does not need the PAC money, they need the national coverage. They are getting it and will get more of it.

    Utah will surface from time to time on the national scene but they will be like most of the PAC as far as national recognition.

    Enjoy your money and the BCS while it lasts.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 8, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    I have to agree with what SOME of what the Utah faithful are saying. All the preseason recognition is very nice, and I am very excited for the season, but why don't we just wait and see what Heaps does in at least the first two or three games before we get too far out of hand?

    That said, do Utah fans ever look to see who the hype is coming from? Light is not a BYU season ticket holder. Bottom line is that BYU gets a ton of recognition, especially at qb, because of the years of success they have had on the field. Years as in 30+, not 7.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 8, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    Yeap its preseson BYU's time of year.

    Good luck to Heaps lets see if can match the other two featured QBs in leading his team to 17+ points on the road against an above .500 defense for the first time in his career. Maybe against Ol' Miss but I am not sure against Texas.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    bigutefan

    By the same rationale, Heaps beat the Utes, so Jake does have a win over a winning team.

  • cheeseman187 Costa Mesa, CA
    May 8, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    bigutefan, I find it funny that a Utah fan is discrediting a BYU win for a controversial replay review. Better find some different ammo.

    And since you brought up the San Diego State game, why does nobody talk about the other replay that game that favored SDSU? I always thought the replay call that favored BYU was a make-up call for the one earlier that was botched. Of course, no one talks about that, because they are more interested in hating BYU then anything else.

    Heaps is not the best quarterback in the nation, but he's improving. His improvement last year wasn't based on the lack of decent competition, but rather his improvement in decision making and accuracy. Those don't really have anything to do with who he is playing. For the record, he outperformed both Utah quarterbacks in their match-up last season.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    bigutefan | 12:27 p.m. May 8, 2011
    Las Vegas, NV
    Congrats, this is a pretty big accomplishment considering Heaps has yet to beat a team with a winning record (yes I know, he beat San Diego State, but that win will always be questioned by the helper in the booth.)

    ===

    Classic Ute.

    EVERY win BYU has is questioned and therefore negated by the "uteology" of the Ute Nation.

    Ask a Ute, BYU has never won a game.

    What else is new?

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    May 8, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Congrats, this is a pretty big accomplishment considering Heaps has yet to beat a team with a winning record (yes I know, he beat San Diego State, but that win will always be questioned by the helper in the booth.) I just don't get how beating UTEP, a team that had lost six games in a row, who's starting QB could barely walk, and certainly didn't deserve to be going to any bowl game creates such prediction of future success. But congrats!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 8, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    So, BYU's in the Pac-10 afterall! How 'bout that!

    Judging by all the silly smack talk on this article from Ute fans, they must be really jealous that BYU's QB is pictured with two Pac-12 QBs, and not the Ute's QB.

    "This is one of the first inklings of how the national media perceive BYU as an independent."

    Bye-bye the mid-major label and HELLO to being one of the big boys.

    I don't think Bronco will let this team fade into mediocrity. BYU will, no doubt, prove it deserves its new-found national respect!

    September can't come soon enough.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    It won't be so awesome when the mighty PAC 12 Utes stroll into LES and have to leave with their red-tailed feathers between their legs.

    That, after being unceremoniously dismissed a week earlier in the Colliseum, will end the euphoria on the hill and introduce the Utes to the reality that being cannon fodder in a big boy conference isn't so awesome.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    After all of the chest-beating about their PAC 12 invite and their mega-buck television deals, the BYU-obsessed Utah fans just can't fathom the possibility that BYU is poised to steal Utah's maiden voyage PAC 12 thunder.

    Jake Heaps, rather than Jordan Wynn, on the Athlon cover is just the beginning of the thunder stealing.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    re: Duckhunter | 7:36 a.m. May 8, 2011

    Welcome to Statistics 101.... Not all the roughly 1.5 million 'true believers in Zion' are byu fans. Some root for the Utes.

    There are pockets with a hard core cult like following of tds fans but I'd venture there are more New York Yankee or LA Lakers fans globally than BYU fans.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    I remember the same hype about a certain "Jake" last year too. Of course, Locker's team went 7-6 last year and his Heisman hopes with it. Oh yeah, they got beat by a horrible team in Provo that went 7-6 as well.

    Must have been an after thought considering they can't even spell his name right.

    I hear that Bronco is considering the (2) headed monster again :)

    Can't wait until Sept for the Utes to bust up all these hopes that are building in Provo. Gonna be awesome.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    LonestarRunner | 11:26 a.m. May 8, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Bleed Crimson

    "Thats life as an independent for you."

    As the only independent west of the Mississippi, BYU is unique and will draw tremendous attention if the Cougars have a successful season. Whether this is a BCS busting season, or not, BYU is still poised to have a great season.
    ====

    Agree with Lonestar.

    Utah fans are happy they don't have to go to Laramie anymore.

    When will the Ute Fanbase realize, they just agreed to become the Laramie to the West-Coast PAC teams?

    ===

    Ponder this Bleed Crimson, where will Utah and BYU be in ten years?

    USC will come in and be up 40 points in the last minute of the game, and will kick an onside kick in a half empty, windy, snowy RES. The Fans will be booing, and Kyle will wave at the other coach and be required to make a formal apology.

    And BYU fans will be bringing their kids to Legacy Hall while the nation (sorry, the world) watches BYU in HD.

    The sad, pathetic life of being independent on the national stage in HD...

    Embarassing.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    "Howard S. | 10:29 a.m.
    Taylorsville, UT
    @Mountainman56

    "...in a better situation than BYU is."
    ***************

    Utah is in a better situation than BYU. No rational person can deny that.

    BYU is in the best position it can be in... but not equal to, or better than Utah."

    =======
    Not if you bring in the directions the programs are heading...

    If you are speaking financially, not this year, but under the current contracts, under those narrow terms, for the next few years, Utah is in a better situation.

    However... If you bring in all athletic programs (hint:basketball), facilities, and upside potential currently, ten or twenty years from now, I really like where BYU is positioned.

    ...and I think that is what is really driving you Utes crazy with jealousy.
    ===

    Can you imagine what kind of TV contract Larry Scott could have picked up if he had been able to get the PAC over the religion issue, and picked up BYU other than Colorado (or the U for that matter)?

    Last year, I'm sure many BYU fans were frustrated about the whole major-conference issue.

    Now, I don't know that Holmoe would trade positions if given the option.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Thats life as an independent for you."

    As the only independent west of the Mississippi, BYU is unique and will draw tremendous attention if the Cougars have a successful season. Whether this is a BCS busting season, or not, BYU is still poised to have a great season.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    May 8, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Jordan Wynn wasn't on the cover because.......well because even those of us for Utah couldn't care less. I am down in my basement in my jammies with a bottle of Mountain Dew in front of the computer. I'm depressed and thinking of ending it all by drinking 35 bottles of Mtn Dew in one hour. Couldn't Whit have chosen someone with heart and guts and someone who could take a hit.

    10 minutes later....Only 25 bottles to go.....

    10 minutes later .... now only 10 botttttllllesss to go

    10 minutes leater,,,,//?? I see a bright light I'm starting to go to the light.

    Ammmazzzzing I see blue.....its all blue. Someone is coming to greet me

    Its.... Its the QB for BYU...... I had no idea.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    hedgehog | 6:47 a.m.
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Just so we're all on he same page. Magazines like College Football us Geo- coding to determine what the cover will be. What you see at the Provo ice cream parlor is not what you'd see across the Nation. Infact what you see in South East Michigan is Kirk Cousins of Michigan State.

    =====

    According to Light, back in the day, it was routine to see Cougar and Ute players on the cover when the magazine published a regional magazine that featured the WAC and MWC in a Western Edition.

    That was back then.

    "Now we don't have that Western cover anymore, but we still want to feature BYU because of its great fan base and the team has been good in recent years. Heaps had a pretty good freshman year and he's expected to be the guy and we went with him."

    ===

    How about we all decide to mail a shiny quarter in Hedgehog's name to the DesNews when he shows he can read the articles before he posts...

    ===

    This kids, is why BYU went independent.

    Because they could.

    It's called National Relevence.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    May 8, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Hedgie.

    Just so we're all on he same page. Magazines like College Football us Geo- coding to determine what the cover will be. What you see at the Provo ice cream parlor is not what you'd see across the Nation. Infact what you see in South East Michigan is Kirk Cousins of Michigan State

    What same page, this comment like most that comes out of your mouth makes no sense. I don't think you are even in the same book as the rest of us, let alone same page. Nice comment again. Go back to bed.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 8, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Just remember! One loss and "your" season is toast, meaning one loss and "your" playing in..."

    Is this what passes for English up on the hill?

    "your" (possessive) is not the same as "you're" (you are)

    Just remember Utah fans, one loss (to BYU) and your season bragging rights are toast!

    --------------

    hedgehog

    "I can't speak for parlors in Palo Alto but I confident no one in the Midwest has ever heard on Heaps..."

    Just as with Jimmer, that will change, much to your chagrin!

    The Jake Heaps bandwagon is just about to leave the station. You can either hop on and enjoy the ride or you can jog along behind like you did Jimmer's bandwagon.

    Either way, your feable ankle-biting can do nothing to stop it.

    Athlon cover today. Sports Illustrated cover tomorrow. It's inevitable.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Wiley Old School

    "As a parent, the thought of one of my kids getting married at 19 or 20 is a scary one."

    It all depends on the maturity of the couple.

    I met my wife when she was 19. She was 20 and I 22 when we married.

    6 children, 5 returned missionaries, 4 BYU graduates, and 3 grandchildren later, we're still best friends.

    I've only met Jake once in person. He was attending a missionary farewell dinner for another BYU football player. Sitting at a table by himself shortly after his arrival at BYU last spring, he was drawing so little attention to himself I hardly noticed him until my son pointed him out.

    Even then, however, he struck me as a young man who is mature beyond his years. That maturity will serve him well as a husband and as BYU's starting quarterback.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    May 8, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    To all byu fans!

    Just remember! One loss and your season is toast, meaning one loss and your playing in the Armed Forces Bowl! Thats life as an independent for you.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 8, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Why wasn't Jordan Winn on the cover?

  • hornetfan declo, id
    May 8, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    @ Mr. Howie
    I bet if it was a Utah player on the cover you would be very happy!
    Can't one thing be written w/out your negative diatribe? Just askin?

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    "The article could be about BYU buying new band uniforms or a fancy new ice cream flavor at the creamery and we'd still see smack-talk from the same guys."

    So true. Like moths to a flame they're drawn to every BYU article.

  • Samwise Provo, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Hedgehog, did you not read the article:

    "That cover with Heaps will make the Athlon national edition that will be distributed beginning June 2."

    That said, and even as a BYU fan, I think it is a little ridiculous to put Heaps on any magazine at this point. He started showing a lot of potential toward the end of last season, and I think he may earn his spot on a few magazines in the future. But so far he hasn't really proven anything. I am excited about this upcoming season. Go Heaps and go Cougars!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    @Mountainman56

    "...in a better situation than BYU is."
    ***************

    Utah is in a better situation than BYU. No rational person can deny that.

    BYU is in the best position it can be in... but not equal to, or better than Utah.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    @mistertilly

    "BYU doesn't have as big a fan base as is talked about by Coug fans."
    *****************

    Regardless of what I think about the vastness expanse of the BYU fan base, the power conferences have spoken.

    They have determined that it's not that relevant and certainly not impressive enough to warrant an invitation to the big-time of BCS college football.

    Sorry Cougs... but keep that faith... That call from the Big 12 should come anytime...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 8, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    "h-hog, does this also hold true at the Palo Alto ice cream parlor??"

    Tom in CA,

    I can't speak for parlors in Palo Alto but I confident no one in the Midwest has ever heard on Heaps.... being the 105th best QB in the Nation last year will do that.

    Again, College football Magazine is trying to sell magazines and as they've figure out... there is a sucker born every minute. Truthfully, College Football knows little to nothing about Heaps.... as proven by the fact they didn't even know his last name.

  • Wiley Old School RIC, VA
    May 8, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    MESOUTE,
    I don't think TwinsGuy was insinuating anything other than what he asked. As a parent, the thought of one of my kids getting married at 19 or 20 is a scary one. Statistically, those who marry that young have a lot higher chance of marital challenges. Hopefully that won't be the case here but I hope I'm not hosting a reception for any of my kids at that age.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Now that is respect! Way to go Heaps and BYU! Yes he will have a break out season! Let it be written, let it be done!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 8, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Howie - The vast fan base is not what generates an invite from the Big 12 or PAC 10 or any other conference. If that was the case, Utah and Colorado would never have received PAC 10 invites. BYU's vast fan base is exactly what makes independence a viable option. The only one waiting... and waiting is you - hoping that BYU doesn't get that call because then you wouldn't be able to hang your hat on Utah's conference affiliation as your only source of feeling that Utah might somehow be in a better situation than BYU is.

  • mistertilly Provo, Utah
    May 8, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    @UU702

    It's not insecurity, it's the predictability of the same few Ute trolls who show up on every single BYU article. The article could be about BYU buying new band uniforms or a fancy new ice cream flavor at the creamery and we'd still see smack-talk from the same guys.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Mountainman56

    "Thanks Howie"
    ******

    You're welcome.

    With that vast fan base a phone call from the Big 12 can't far off.

    Keep waiting... and waiting... and waiting... and... well you know....

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 8, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    h-hog:

    "Just so we're all on he same page. Magazines like College Football us Geo- coding to determine what the cover will be. What you see at the Provo ice cream parlor is not what you'd see across the Nation. Infact what you see in South East Michigan is Kirk Cousins of Michigan State."

    h-hog, does this also hold true at the Palo Alto ice cream parlor??

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    Duck - Funny that vast Cougar fan base has not been enough get a power conference to invite the Cougars.

    Every conference wants Notre Dame and their vast fan base... but not the Cougars...

    Guess it really isn't as relevant or vast as Cougars like to believe.

  • mistertilly Provo, Utah
    May 8, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    @Howard S

    As a BYU fan it's hard for me to admit that when BYU gets on a magazine it's only because that magazine wants to sell a lot of prints. But when the Utes grace a cover, it's because they deserve the accolades. It's hard for me to admit this because it's simply not true.

    But hold on...your logic goes against many things you've said in the past; namely, that BYU doesn't have as big a fan base as is talked about by Coug fans. And if you're saying this magazine's only goal is to sell issues like you claim, then they must have chosen BYU because they have a large fan base. Wait a sec, I'm dizzy...

    OH I SEE IT NOW! It's just like when Bosco, Young, Detmer, Sarkisian, LaVell, Ainge, Jimmer, Collie, Mili and Lewis, Jimmy Mac, Unga, Hall, Beck, Harline, Buck, Elewonibi, Staley, Neilsen and Wilson were on covers, all for the purpose of snagging money from us notably big-spending, non frugal Cougar fans.

    I feel so foolish. Those fast talkers got me again.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    This is the first in what will be a long line of impressive "covers" for Heaps and the Cougars over the next several years.

    The Cougars will earn their improved reputation while the utes will be riding the coat tails of the major Pac-12 teams and gaining revenue like a welfare recipient.

    BYU is the team to watch and I'm excited to be a CougFan!

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    May 8, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    @ Internntional Cougar Fan:
    Both are garnering recognition. Neither side is getting "all the recognition."

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Howard-Get a clue.

    EVERY sports magazine is in the business of selling magazines.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    Howie - So what you're saying is that Athlon thought they could sell more magazines by putting BYU on the cover than any other university in the country? That's awesome - I know BYU has a huge national following but I didn't realize that they're even bigger than schools like say, Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, Florida and USC. That's really high praise for the Cougars. Thanks Howie!

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    May 8, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    It's all good except for Kragthorpe writing the article. I can't remember that last time he "colored" the Y in a good light.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Well said Misterilly. I'm sure that Hedgie, Chrissy B and Howard S will begin their rants...Oh, I guess Howie already did comment...must have been that it didn't amount to being worth reading, other than this writer from Athlon Sports recognizes a diamond in the rough in Mr. Heaps. Howie, if Jake is not worthy of your respect because he put your hated rivals poster boy on the cover and not your "dear-in-the-headlights" Jordan Wynn must tell you something.

    Perhaps Jordan Wynn and Utah are not worth spending any time covering? Perhaps he can see which programs are headed up and which are not news worthy? Hum? Maybe that'll be the trend in the coming years ahead. Utah's insignificance from the basement of the PAC12, depending on, and hanging from the shirtails of USC, Oregon and Stanford for any sort of relavence while BYU is out blazing its' own trail to success and notoriety ON THEIR OWN, as an independent...great choice of words isn't it...INDEPENDENT, something that Utah, and its' fans can't spell. Enjoy your $21 Million per year, cuse Utah hasn't earned nothing yet!

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    @byu Dude
    @mistertilly

    I commend you for not hiding your insecurity...nary a Ute post and you are in full "get out in front of it mode." BTW Eddie Wide was on the "Regional" cover last year and I don't recall any articles about it. That is called perspective.

  • BleedinBlue West Jordan, Utah
    May 8, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Very well put mistertilly. Somehow you were able to read the BYU article before Hedgehog. I thought he had email alerts as soon as the article was published.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Ha ha, comparing Heaps to Andrew Luck is like comparing Ryan Leaf to Joe Montana.

    Heaps has other things to worry about. He won't have a breakout year. Mark it down.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 8, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    @Howard S; h-hog; etal:

    This deal really gets under your skin, doesn't it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 8, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    @howie

    Well if this is purely a ploy to get Cougar fans to buy their magazine they must feel that there are alot of Cougar fans. All that stuff about millions of Mormons and a national, if not international, fanbase you constantly deny you have just acknowledged. LOL

  • JDL Magna, UT
    May 8, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    And think, BYU gets a four(4) page spread in the PAC10 edition of Athlon.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    May 8, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    I'm a Utah fan and depressed about having Wynn as our QB. I would like to feel better about him but I don't. I think he is the biggest mistake that
    Whit has made to this point. To small, fragile, runs when pressure is coming. I cannot understand why you would recruit someone who weighted 155 Lbs in high school to play D1 football. I hope I am wrong.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    May 8, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    This is awesome............can't wait for the cake walk playing the WAC!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    It appears that the BYU Dude and misterlilly are looking to be offended. I don't see any "Utah trolls" writing anything horrible on this post. Heaps is a good qb. Be proud he is on the cover. He got put on with two of the best qb's in the nation. He is not in their class right now but could put up some big numbers this year. He should throw for 300 plus yards per game for the home games and will receive some exposure on the road games. Hope he does well (except in one certain game).

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    May 8, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    It's a new dawn over the horizon for BYU Football. It's going to be a great year and a great begining to a new era. Good luck to Heaps, Reynolds and the rest of the team as well as Bronco and Doman. Here's to bringing back the prolific passing game that has always been BYU's staple offense. Put the ball in the hands of those new and great returning receivers whom Robert Anae just didn't have what it takes to properly utilize. It's time to see the Razzle Dazzle once again.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 8, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Just so we're all on he same page. Magazines like College Football us Geo- coding to determine what the cover will be. What you see at the Provo ice cream parlor is not what you'd see across the Nation. Infact what you see in South East Michigan is Kirk Cousins of Michigan State.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 8, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    RE: Howard S.

    "Mitch Light is in the business of selling magazines, not projecting the success of any player or team."

    Great point, although I am surprised to read it, coming from a troll. I agree that using BYU players to sell magazines is a good idea, especially as of late. We've probably seen more players from BYU grace national magazine covers this year (Jimmer's several plus this new one with Heaps) than all the players from the all other state schools have in their combined history. It's good to be a Cougar.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    May 8, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    Heaps and BYU are heading for some good times!

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    May 8, 2011 5:34 a.m.

    Why is BYU getting all the recognition when the Utes have more money and "when things get tough, it is time to quit" Urban Meyer still pulling for them?

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    May 8, 2011 4:30 a.m.

    @TwinsGuy:
    What are you insinuating with that question?

  • mistertilly Provo, Utah
    May 8, 2011 1:46 a.m.

    Enter Hedgehog.

    Hedgehog:"Nobody cares about BYU (except for me and my stalkerish posts on every BYU article ever published). BYU is irrelevant (except for Heaps being on the cover of magazines, Jimmer winning NPOTY, USC tranfers to BYU and a ton of BCS teams currently scheduling BYU for games). Everyone knows that since the beginning of college football, in 2004, no team has accomplished as much as the U of U (please oh please I hope no one realizes college ball was played before 2004). To all Cougar fans out there, abandon hope, there is nothing to live for (Time to go feed my cats and trim my goatee). Utah has PAC 12 money now (a direct reflection on my personal success). Take that TDS! (Haha! Now those coug fans will be sad like me).

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:18 a.m.

    What no Jordan Wynn ?

    But Utah has the Pac 12 logo.! Not to worry Utah Jordan Wynn will make a cover, the only problem for Utah is it will be Jordan Pendelton stuffing his face two feet under the Football field again.

    They better print a lot of those Magazines Jimmers sold out fast and so will Jake Heaps, it is a long hot summer and I need something to read.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:08 a.m.

    Dick - Get a clue.

    Mitch Light is in the business of selling magazines, not projecting the success of any player or team.

    His sales fluff about the Cougars and Heaps (who he and his staff didn't even know well enough to spell his name correctly) is about getting gullible Cougar fans to drop some coin on his magazine, nothing more... nothing less.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    Great article! We're looking forward to an standout season for BYU's quarterback, Jake Heaps & Company.

    Go Cougars!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 7, 2011 11:47 p.m.

    Jake is poised for a breakout year in 2011-12.

    30 years ago, it was Jim McMahon's amazing, record setting junion season leading BYU to their first bowl in the Miracle Bowl, followed a few months later by John Wooden Award winner Danny Ainge and his memorable drive against Notre Dame.

    Maybe this year it will the John Wooden Award winner preceding another amazing season for the next in a long line of great BYU quarterbacks.

    Can't wait until September!

  • TwinsGuy Savage, MN
    May 7, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    Isn't Heaps a bit young to be getting married?

    Just sayin...