No davidutefan,Utah didn't play 4 quarters (except of course for
Brandon Burton's play), but 2 unlucky bounces of the ball against BYU, that UTAH
did not cause, and a horrible call by the zebras made that all work out for
Utah. Consider yourselves very lucky to beat a bunch of freshman that had ya'll
beat and bleeding profusely, that could have made that crash and burn of your
Utes all the more painful after TCU and Notre Dame's beat-downs. That will not
happen on September 17th this year, consider your Utes a punchless bunch of
Freshman leaving LES at 1-2 and wondering what more disappointment lies in wait
when the rest of the PAC12 administers some hurtin on Mr.Wynn and the rest of
that young team.Get used to have a very painful maiden voyage into
the PAC12, it aint gonna be pretty...
MichiganCoug: yes but, unlike the TDS, Utah generally play 4 quarters of
football not, 3 1/2.
Give me a break, IMHO, there are a lot of disadvantaged students out there more
worthy of scholarship monies than someone who just happens to be gifted
athletically. And before you go running your mouth off, I'm a former NCAA
athlete (football)and assistant high school football coach. Universities are
for education and the expanding of the mind, not the furtherance of a bunch of
entitlement minded, spoiled jocks who have never heard the word "no"
in their entire life. Paying these kids would only further expand the
underlying problems with collegiate athletics. Compassion for financial needs
indeed. What about the students that have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to pay
tuition? Don't other alumni also contribute to the university?
cont'd:As for the scholarships being a rule. Changing scholarship
amounts isnt eliminating gravity. The three point line is a rule change.
Kicking off from the 35 is a rule change. The scholarship rule needs to change
to match the financial reality.Perhaps you dont realize many of
these athletes come from disadvantaged families -- disadvantaged to a degree you
cannot imagine.Perhaps it has never occurred to you many of them may
want to pursue a vocation where a degree is unnecessary, like general
contracting or plumbing that matches their interests and pays them more than
many college graduates. Many just want to play football.Others are
in serious pursuit of a degree, and the shortfall in funds makes that pursuit
more difficult. Frankly, it sickens and disgusts me that the same
fans who are so excited and bragging about PAC membership and pursuit of
excellence in that conference have no respect for the athletes who actually make
that possible and have no compassion for their financial needs.
cont'd:The money generated by college athletics has skyrocketed over
the last decade yet scholarships dont even cover academic needs. At the same
time the amount of time an athlete spends in conditioning, off-season
conditioning, etc., has also increased dramatically, making it difficult to
supplement those deficient scholarships.So where does all that money
go? 1-Millions go to coaches, who couldnt. The Utes are paying TWO
basketball coaches who couldnt cut it.2-Millions go to coaches who can,
yet while coaches like Whittingham make millions many times more than coaches
did two decades ago scholarships havent increased comparatively.3-Millions go to window-dressing-facilities. Yes, nicer practice facilities
are, well, nicer, but with functional but modest facilities players could have
decent compensation.$250 more per month per football player just
enough to cover the academic shortfall would cost the university $255,000 per
year. That is a fraction of Whittinghams raises since hes been coach. That is
less than the university is paying a failure of a basketball coach.
cont'd:"A law passed in California earlier this month requires
the state's colleges and universities to disclose more complete information
about the actual costs of attendance, as well as details about uncovered medical
expenses and policies on scholarship renewal and transferring to other
schools."So not even their academic needs are covered at many
schools the shortfall is much more than $3,000 -- much less other needs such as
medical insurance.I dont know how you paid for your schooling, Magna
boy, but three things you should know about college athletes:1-If
you worked, you got paid more by the hour than a football player does, I
guarantee it: Practice, conditioning, meetings, film study, travel, etc., all
while attending school.2-If you truly believe that PAC football is all
that, you will understand that a player is better at being a football player
than you are at whatever you did for a job.3-Fans dont even care about you
enough to hope you have your expenses covered.
Pac12Champs | 10:44 a.m. May 7, 2011 Magna, UT As for the
fools who say the NCAA should just give in and pay these players, what rule
should the NCAA throw out next? Moreover, isn't college amateur sports? Also,
you pay these guys and what incentives do they have to work hard? I just
graduated yesterday, from the U, shouldn't the fact these players can earn
degrees count?-------Congratulations on graduating. Now lets
have a lesson on thoughtful analysis."Isn't college amateur
sports?" They already get paid. It is called a scholarship, in some cases
a "full ride". Unfortunately, that full ride isn't. Google
"athletic scholarship falls short.""The report by
Ithaca College researchers and a national athletes' advocacy group shows that
the average "full scholarship" Division I athlete winds up having to
pay $2,951 annually in school-related expenses not covered by grants-in-aid.The shortfall represents the difference between educational expenses
such as tuition, student fees, room and board and ancillary costs not covered by
scholarships, from campus parking fees to calculators and computer disks
required for classes.
This situation is proof that all is not so spiffy in Uteland, despite all the
rah-rah talk about joining the PAC and all the supposedly promised money that
will trickle down after a couple of years.Other proofs are the
transfer of basketball players from a program that is trying to right itself
after a long span of mediocrity.And if you want to know about how
great the PAC is, just ask the USC and Oregon State tranfers who decided to go
to BYU. They will underscore the fact that the rah-rah talk is just that.
Hey Ticky and Gonefishin,17-16 was in fact the score. Yes, BYU lost
and Utah won...but you have to admit, both of you probabily had no fingernails
left about the time that Brandon Burton made that play...a great one I might
add. But here's the reality...Utah's so-called awesome team BARELY beat a
freshman and sophmore dominated team, who for 3.5 quarter of that game had UTAH
on the ropes w/ 2 black eyes. Took one last swing to land the knock-out blow to
send your veteran team to the locker room in tears...but didn't. Why, because
they were freshman and sophmores. Now that Brandon Burton is gone, along with
most of your skill players to graduation, and untimely bolts to the NFL (Siliga
and others that didn't cut it, and will be pumping gas sometime soon), leaves
your UTE team in the same state BYU's was last year, to start out.Don't kid yourselves into thinking that Utah stands any kind of chance
entering the PAC12 this season...New OC, no returning running backs...I think
you get the picture. Face reality boys, Utah'sintroublenextfall!
Sounds about right. Agents are all the same...sports, film, music. Unfortunately
CA is crawling with them.
This may have been bad for Utah and maybe the player but the rest of the story
is that it is also bad for the agent.The agents have to front
(provide financial support) the athletes until they sign a contract. No
contract, no money to pay back the agent loans.The door swings both
ways. Getting a client who is iffy on being drafted can be a very bad deal. It
is a business deal for both the player and the agent and a calculated risk by
both. Playing an extra year does not always improve your draft
status. That is a very big player risk. You go when you think you have the best
chance. An agent picks you up if they think you have a chance. It is
easy to whine about the agents. However, it is usually the boosters who get the
players in trouble. Further, the schools are just using the athletes for cheap
labor. Playing football is a 40 hr a week job. The scholarships etc. cost the
schools very little in actual money as they just expand the class size or hire
an extra adjunct at $25-100 per athlete per class.
michigan coogWith the exception of two Utah blowouts on the way to two BCS
games, Utah and BYU games have been very close. So when you say that the Utes
are going to fail as badly as you think, isn't that an indictment of BYU? Think before you post.
Michigan Coog ... Has BYU figured out how to block for a field goal attempt yet
?? BWAH HA HA HA 17 - 16 !!! Enjoy your quest .
Howard S.Maybe you should do it then, you seemed over qualified to
write for the utes and the so called BCS teams. lol
Don't agree with Article Reader at all. You take your chances and let the chips
fall as they may. Student Athletes should always be students first. The
purpose of a University is to educate not to get jocks up to speed for the next
level. The rules for agents even contacting players need to be intentionally
tightened and most of these student athletes need to be reined in and lectured
to until they realize that their scholarships are intended more for their
education than for paving a road to the pro's which a majority of them won't
make it to anyways. Siliga was counseled by Whittingham and his. He made his
decision despite those obvious warnings. So it's time to sleep in the bed that
he chose. Brandon Burton too could have just as easily stayed and possibly have
made a lot better situation for himself by playing next season. especially in
light of the fact that he fell clear to the 5th round when many thought that he
might make the 2nd. I don't think that he made a wise decission either.
The objective of the agent and the objective of the player are generally not the
same. Players probably think otherwise, but the agent is caring first for his
own business. He make give much more time to one player over the others or
focus on dollars verses what might be best for the player. They worry about
their working relationship with the teams and may not go to bat for a player if
they see it being a long term problem for them. There's nothing wrong with
this, it is just life. Players need to trust the agent, but not completely and
certainly not blindly.
Thank goodness The Jimmer was wiser than some of these poor guys. I feel for
them, as you can't expect all young men to have the wisdom to be patient.The country got to see a special year from a special kid in college
basketball this past year. Kudos to Jimmer's wisdom and the wisdom and advice
from those around him that he was smart enough to listen to.Jimmer
and family were even smart enough to research agents and how to use them.Now, if the NCAA relaxed the rules so that if a player doesn't get
drafted in their sport, they could fire their agent and reclaim their
eligibility to return to school for another year.Whether that would
open up a can of worms is debatable. There are certainly pros and cons to it.I'm against paying college players to perform in their sport. Those on
scholarship are already being paid in that sense. College doesn't need to be a
farm league for the pros.What's in it for me? As a fan, I can enjoy
watching college sports knowing a school hasn't bought themselves a title.
no one forced him to make that decision. some you win and some you lose and life
The article was maybe a little overly dramatic. Each situation is different, and
there probably were other issues involved in this case--financial, academic,
etc.--I don't have any inside info, just guessing. But the message about agents
is on the mark, I just wish Harmon would have given the agent's name. Let the
microscope be put on him in this situation.
Here's the deal.It's always in the University's/Staff's best
interest to have a starter stay another year. It's always in the
agent's best interest to sign clients.The issue is finding the
person that is selflessly, always, in the kid's best interest AND is
knowledgeable in the process. And before you say it, no, it is
universally NOT his family.
Life boils down to one simple thing, the choices we make, good or bad. It's to
early to tell if Siliga made the wrong choice, but the odds and current
circumstances don't bode well for his chances.Good luck son!
I am as big a Utes fan as there is. I wrote a few days ago that I felt bad for
Shaky and Zane Taylor, who went undrafted and have to wait for the NFL to clean
itself up, before they can sign as undrafted free agents. However, I have 0
sympathy for Siliga. His on the field play was patchy and as has been
frequently said on these boards recently, he was counseled NOT to embark on this
unsure journey. Rather, he could have been a cornerstone on one of the best
D-Lines in the country, playing in a league where he'd have received a TON of
exposure this year. Greed does not pay. As for the fools who say
the NCAA should just give in and pay these players, what rule should the NCAA
throw out next? Moreover, isn't college amateur sports? Furthermore, are they
gonna have to pay walk-ons too, because even the worst guy on an NFL roster
makes a payday? Also, you pay these guys and what incentives do they have to
work hard? I just graduated yesterday, from the U, shouldn't the fact these
players can earn degrees count?
I understand this is an editorial but it is just pure conjecture. Where are the
quotes to back up your assertions? No comment from Whittingham, Mendenhall, or
any other coaches. How about some insight from other players who have come out
early or the player in question specifically? Lazy, Lazy, Lazy... It is the
easiest thing in the world to blame the agent and he may be the culprit but
there is no context to this article. Maybe he had personal or family issues, how
about academic issues or money issues? I guese what I am saying is that this
article delves no deeper than I can do myself from home not knowing anything
...on Second thought, Mr Siliga made a choice based on some obvious facts.
Returning to play for his Sr. season, very well could have been detrimental to
his chances for making the NFL for 2012, as I'm sure why Brandon Burton bolted
early as well...They both can see the writing on the wall about prospect of
failure for the Utes and their inagural season in the PAC12, being a major
face-plant. With the loss of all 3 RB's, your top 2 OL players, a disasterous
finish to their 2010 season, too many negatives loomed ahead.Bringing an also-ran OC in Norm Chow (who has done nothing with his career
since departing USC in after a tiff w/ Pete Carrol); a lousy QB in Jordan Wynn,
who would've stayed behind to suffer thru a potential losing season and some
major stompings administered by the likes of USC, BYU, and ASU this coming fall,
w/ the potential of ending up like their Basketball brothers on the hill, made
all the sense in the world to leave a sports program headed for the PAC12's
basement along side of WSU...not even a $21miltvdeal mattered.
No direct interviews or quotes from an agent, a coach, a family member, or
Siliga himself.Informed, insightful commentary is not Harmon's
strength. Instead of doing a little work, Dick chooses to feign
concern for Siliga and his decision in order to offer a subtle, unfavorably
comparison with that of Matt Reynolds who chose to forgo the draft. Dick, just stick with spinning for the Cougars, you don't appear to be
qualified to cover a BCS team.
Well said MiP, Mr Silva went against the advice of many people, including his
coaches, only to have to go pump gas or sell shoes, by going undrafted. He can't
blame anyone but himself for getting too greedy. The same can be
said about many of my cougar players over the years. With the exception of
Austin Collie, and to a lesser extent, Shawn Bradley; almost always those that
left early: Luke Staley, John Walsh and many other ended up w/ snake eyes, and
are no-where near to where they might have gone in the NFL, had the stuck it out
thru their Sr. Seasons. Look what it did for Jimmer, he stayed for his Sr.
season, and become the POY in College.If you are playing an NCAA
sport, you better make sure to get a degree that is more than something like
Communications or some other weak degree, so as to have your bases covered. Many
of these student athletes do nothing with their education and then don't make
the NFL or NBA, only to have low income jobs the rest of their lives after all
the excitement of playing in College.
I was in a student ward with Hema Heimuli at the Y back in the mid-90's, and
though I didn't know him well, was vaguely aware that he had a lousy experience
with an agent as well. It wasn't a situation where he was convinced to come out
too early (he played out his eligibility), but my recollection is he passed up
at least one opportunity to make a team as an undrafted free agent on the advice
of his agent. Problem is, that ended up being his only NFL offer. Whoops. I'm
not sure if he ever made a dime playing football. He may or may not have made
the team that invited him to camp, but it bites knowing that you missed your one
opportunity just by saying "no" based on someone's bad advice.
Ohio State is being investigated for 50 under-the-table car sales to athletes.
More dollars to athletes means less temptation to cheat. You have
players whose families live in poverty, whose parents can afford to see them in
person in a game. We aren't talking about get-rich money, we're talking about
live-OK money.More money to players will actually DECREASE the
difference between the haves and have-nots of college sports. Nearly every have
lives in a huge population center within driving distance of recruits. Utah is
planning on competing in the PAC by recruiting across the PAC. If a player's
family can afford to see them play, that is a plus in being recruited to that
school. If their parents can fly to a game, they will be more likely to let the
kid got to Utah.
First of all, you think NCAA sports isn't a business now? The NCAA basketball
tournament package is $10.8 billion over 14 years. The PAC deal alone is
billions. Coaches are getting $1+ per year. You could give every Ute football
player an additional $500 monthly and I'll bet Whit would STILL make a million a
year. Oh, and $500 monthly is just about the equivalent of the shortfall
between what a scholarship pays and what a player needs BEYOND their scholarship
to cover reasonable expenses -- like clothing and an occasional date. $500
monthly = $500,000 annually -- out of $20M.Only two athletic
programs in the country make money. Why? Because they pay athletes? NO.
Because they build keep-up-with-the-Jones' Taj Mahal facilities, and pay coaches
$multi-million severance packages to BAD coaches. Pay the players FIRST, and
their won't be the bricks-and-mortar arms race Whit talks about. People sit in stadiums or comfortable homes, or their mother's basement and
spout "amateur athletics" like the Olympics used to. Come on, folks.
These are people, not play station characters.It is hypocritical to
brag about teams but not pay players.
Players are paid with scholarships, housing, food, tutors, etc. If you want to
get paid money, get a job or play professionally. Looking at this
players decision making skills, do you really think making a bunch of money will
solve his problems?
Re: in my humble opinion. As soon as paying players becomes the
norm,the gap between those with and those without will increase even more. Teams
like AlAbama who already live on the edge of the rules will start getting in
bidding wars for talent. It's debatable but I enjoy the amateur status the
athletes maintain. Rather than pay them, offer them additional scholarships
after their 4 years of eligibility. Also, you have to do the same for non
revenue sports like swimming, skiing, track and soccer. Gets expensive.
If college players start getting paid, then isn't it just a business? At that
point, I would have to ask why any State-owned organization has a sports team if
that sports team is not a money maker. At some point, we would just be
subsidizing a business. And I think football (or any other sport) isn't
something that we need to put tax dollars into, as compared to other forms of
"education". Maybe the NFL needs to come up with a minor league, to
keep recruits coming. (And, of course, private schools are free to do whatever
they want, if they can afford it)As for the guys that got greedy and
gambled on that million dollar paycheck, oh, well. You spin the wheel and take
He rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes.
The desire for more and more money will eventually be the demise of sports.
I'm a little surprised that no interviews took place. If you had dug into the
story even a little you would know that Sealvers case was different because of
Utah's increase of PAC money over MWC money is $20 million per year. Many other
schools, BYU included, are also getting a massive increase in cash. A good
portion of this increase across the nation should go to players, instead of into
buildings. If players were getting more money, fewer would make Silva's
I think that in light of the situation with the NFL and the possible lockout,
the NCAA should allow an exception and accept all underclassmen that didn't get
drafted to have their eligibility reinstated. This would be a huge gesture by
the NCAA. Obviously all monies paid to the student athlete by agents would have
to be repaid, and the agents in question would have to allow the student
athletes out of their contracts, which would only happen on a cold day in he11.
But, in a perfect world. . . well, in a perfect world there wouldn't be an NFL
Have I been missing something? Typically, I choose not to read this Mr.
Harmon's articles. I did read this one and found it to be objective and an
excellent read! I am in total agreement with his conclusions in this particular
instance and also with his assessment of the problem in general. Maybe, just
maybe, future athletes will benefit from this article!! Well said, Mr. Harmon!