From what I have read in National Sports outlets, Utah did not add any base to
the new contract...ESPN and Fox Sports only considered the additional of
Colorado as a TV base...the Salt Lake market is consider a BYU base.I am happy for Utah, but they are only along for the ride and a rough ride it
will be.Good Luck though
Veracity,How many outlets out there are actually reporting what you
purport? I really would like to know, I'm not trying to be contrary.One glaring omission from your statement is that the addition of Utah and
Colorado enabled the Pac-12 to have more games, and a conference championship
game. That insinuates a symbiotic relationship, vs the parasitic one you
insinuate.The reality is Utah and Colorado were the best available
options to help the Pac-12 reach their goals. As a Utah fan, I'm
looking forward to the ride. It's going to be great. Who wouldn't want to test
themselves against the best? And as the best non-AQ football program out there,
and school with great basketball tradition, as well as Olympic sport tradition
(skiing, gymnastics) Utah is poised to do very well. Of course there are going
to be growing pains, but it is going to be great for the university and the
stateGo Utesviva la Pac-12
"The Pac-12 Network will be subscription-based..." What does this
mean? Will it be part of a cable/dish/directv package or will you pay like a
Premium channel? If the later, sounds worse than the Mountain.
There's always a naysayer out there drumming up some reason the Utes don't
belong in the PAC-12. It's my sincere hope the Utes make the Conference's
football championship game to put an end to such comments.
Go Utes! Great news. As a side, I lament that any team gets overly
excited about a TV deal. Not because it is not good for the program, but
because it denotes the sad state that college football is in, where the TV deals
have far too much impact over everything. In my mind, the only thing worth
really cheering over is success on the field. Yes, I know that the money from a
TV deal will hopefully lead to more success on the field, but I resent the fact
that there is so much emphasis on that. Unfortunately, that is the state of
things currently. Glad that the Utes are getting such a great deal, given the
circumstances of the sport at the time. Another side note @
Veracity: SLC certainly has many BYU fans and should be considered a BYU market.
But do you really think that it is not also a Ute market? One has to buy
season tickets to the Ute games just to know that you can go to at least one
game--they frequently sell out. Pull your head out of the sand.
I think the question as to which school is better offathletically/financially
BYU or Utah has been definitively answered. On Cougarboard dot com, there have
been countless byu fans who have argued that an independent football BYU is far
better off than a PAC 12 Utah, even with the rest of BYUs sports going to the
athletic netherworld that is the WCC. Some of their arguments have been
well-thought and even convincing to a degree. But now, with the details of the
PAC 12 deal coming to light, the argument is over forever.I sure
wish the Big 12 would pick up BYU. But, it looks like that probably wont happen
in our lifetimes.
The big news story should be that Ute fans no longer have to watch football and
basketball games on The Mountain Channel. Real HD and legit networks here we
Go Utes,I share your concern about all the money awash in college
sports but on the positive side it does buy scholarships for student athletes to
attend school and it does provide for great facilities in which to work and
train. It also funds men and women sports that do not have a lot of viewers.
All that money is certainly going to help a lot of kids here in Utah and
elsewhere to realize their dreams of going to school and participating in a
sport. It is a great time for the State of Utah to finally have a university as
a member of a premier athletic conference.
Definitely big money for the Pac 12, can't deny that it's a big time coup for
the Utes.Looks like being middle to bottom of the PAC each year is
going to yield a nice monetary compensation!Good luck Utes! You
guys will be lucky to win 6 games this year, and you will get your heads handed
to you in Provo on September 17th.... MARK IT DOWN
This is great news for the Utes and there is nobody out there that can say
otherwise. Any way that you look at it each team, including Utah, in the Pac 12
wins. As far as Utah "being along for the ride", as per
"Veracity" above, who cares? Utah got the invitation and you do not
pass something like that up when the opportunity presents itself. It will create
new challenges, but The Mountain West conference thing had run its course, and
it was obvious that after three undefeated seasons (Utah two, TCU 1), no team in
that conference will ever get a shot at a national championship regardless of
the circumstance. Time to move on, and its all coming up roses at this point!
@ DutchmanI agree with you. You are right that the money is not all
bad. My negative post definitely comes across that way though. There are some
positives, no doubt. Since the situation is unlikely to change any time soon,
the positives are probably the best things to focus on. Also, don't
get me wrong, the rabid Ute fan in me is stoked at this deal. It is amazing and
I hope it translates into not only good help for other Utah sports and athletes,
but into some serious kick-butt football from the Utes.
"Good luck Utes! You guys will be lucky to win 6 games this year, and you
will get your heads handed to you in Provo on September 17th.... MARK IT
DOWN"Whether they got a million or 50 million a year, you're
tired oft repeated and lame comments would not change. That should become the
BYU fight song considering how often troll nation repeats it!!!
@ LoveMySportsWorse than the Mountain Network?! Seriously? You can't
mean that. Even if they gave me free HBO and Showtime for 12 months I would
never, ever, want the Utes games to be on the MTN again."Subscription based" means its not free TV. The only channels that
aren't subscription based are local channels like FOX 13, KUTV, KUED, etc. Whether the PAC-12 Network is part of your basic or premium package will
be determined by DirecTV, Dish, Comcast. But it can't possibly be
as bad as the MTN. I can give you 3 billion reasons why.
I wonder how differently this would be viewed by the BYU Faithful (and Ute
Nation) if BYU had gotten the Pac-12 invite and the big money associated with
If Utah is 7-3 against the pac10 in the BCS era without the money why would they
not compete with the BCS league money? The Pac 12 agreement the Utes are part of
crushes all other BCS league contracts that came before it. Not to mention BYU's
independent contract. Some BYU fans are really reaching at this point.
Stop it, you look silly.
Win, lose, or draw, sounds like a good deal for the Utes. I still hope you lose
to the Y in every game you play, but I can't fault the deal you've got. Props to
That's still waaaayy to much money to be making off of unpaid athletes but it is
what it is. That being said, congrats again to the Utes from a Cougar.
Big money means Big expectations...Big expectations means Big mistakes...Big
mistakes means Big scandals...Big scandals means Big probations...Look out, here
comes the BIGS!
Congrats to the Utes! I hope you tear up the Pac 12 while losing to BYU every
year. Still all this shows is the division between the haves and have nots in
college football. BYU, BSU will continue to play BCS teams well and win many of
those games while still being left out of the monopolistic system that fails to
promote competition remains in place. Utah does deserve the pay off but to say
it deserves it more than a BYU or BSU is simply ignorant. BSU has won as many
BCS bowls as Utah and had a better record over the course of the last several
year (albeit against lesser competition). BYU has also put together several
goods season(14-1, 12-2, 11-2, 11-2) and has great tradition while still
remaining the only non-BCS school to win a national championship. In the end we
should all hope for the demise of the BCS and the aristocratic atmosphere that
surrounds it.I am a bit worried about how available the PAC12
channel will be. When BYU-Utah meet in SLC will I be able to watch the game
without upgrading my TV pkg?
subscription means maybe apple tv or google tv. You are missing the point that
the big games will be on ESPN or Fox. The Pac-12 network will pick up the rest
so you'll get a lot of free games if you have ABC or FOX network. You'll get a
number of other games on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or FX and perhaps some Fox regional
channels. Then if you want to subscribe to whatever it is, you can get every
game on the pac-12 network.
Subscription base will something along the likes of the Big Ten Network. It goes
for $10 a month on Comcast, Direct TV, and Dishnet.So as I said a
few weeks ago if you want to watch ALL of your Ute games you're going to have to
pay for it. Several of the games will be on ESPN, Fox etc. but not all of them
so expect to pay more to see more on your precious PAC network. You're going to
miss and isolate a few fans with this deal.So some of that $20
million is coming right out of your own pockets. Don't think for a moment that
advertisers, cable tv networks, etc. pays for it. It's passed on. EVERYONE pays
so expect a bunch of advertising to entice you to buy more Tostitos, Fry sauce,
etc. and those will cost Gripe and complain all you want. What I'm
saying is the plain truth, whether I'm a Ute or BYU fan.
cont'dForgot to mention that the Utes can expect to be playing on
Friday nights as well. Gee, that has to hurt. Friday nights and
possibly having to pay for it on the PAC Network?Is that an ultimate
put down or what? Nah, but its shameful that BYU has to play on Friday
nights.Did I miss something? Hankie or Howard can you sort this out
in 21 posts or less?
"Gripe and complain all you want. What I'm saying is the plain truth,
whether I'm a Ute or BYU fan."And if your not a Ute fan and
don't watch their games, why do you care?Just saying!!
@sammyI'll give it a shot. Afterall, facts aren't exactly something
you tend to gather before posting.1) There will be a total of 8
Pac-12 football games on Thursday/Friday nights. So likely 1 for the Utes, each
season. Nothing that anyone has any problem with. People love the occassional
Thursday night game. It's the multitude that fans do not want.2)Paying for the Pac-12 Network? Really? Do you think Larry Scott, the man
who just pulled off the biggest coup in TV contract history, would not be able
to get his network on basic satellite/cable packages? The guy just garnered the
largest conference TV contract in history, while keeping 100% of the rights to
his own network. The guy is a genius. Give him some credit.What
should be more concerning is BYU football/basketball being pushed up sooner than
Thursday nights. This deal will give ESPN a higher quality product for
Thursday/Friday nights, taking those from BYU. And the Monday WCC basketball on
ESPN has just been replaced with Pac-12 basketball. So much for all that
"exposure." Inferior product = worse time slots.
@WilliaryMany of your fan base has openly criticized the ESPN Friday
Night games for BYU. Two AQ Conferences just agreed. PAC is one of them. Welcome
to Friday nights. Busted. Enough said on that.You think the PAC
network is going to be free??? You're dimmer than my kid's 2000 Honda
headlights. Obviously you know nothing about the Big Ten Network. Go
research it, it's a subscription only service. They pay to watch their games.
Many are free on network,etc., many are not. It's $10 a month on Comcast,
Dishnet, Direct TV, and it's not in a tier package.You know what
else is funny is that some of your games will be streaming. Welcome to the
'small screen'.There's not enough slots to broadcast everything in
primetime and yes, as much you want to kick and cry about it, BYU will still be
in primetime.Don't get me wrong, there's plenty to watch on Fox,
ESPN, etc. This deal is great. No different than a Primetime Football or MLB
package. If you want it all, you're going to pay additional for
it.BYU, all FREE on basic.
cont'd@ williary44 football games to be broadcast on
network or cable channels..."The remaining regular-season
football games, an average of approximately three games per week, will be
featured exclusively on the Pac-12 Network."68 basketball games
broadcast on network or cable channels..."The balance of
regular-season men's basketball games, more than 120 each year, will be featured
exclusively on either the Pac-12 Network or Pac-12 Digital Network."Do the words "featured exclusively on the Pac-12 Network" mean
anything to you?It means an exclusive channel on cable or satellite
services. It won't be over the air and there's only so many channel slots on
each cable or satellite system. Just like the Big Ten Network.It
means you're going to have to pay. Simple as that.Will $10 a month
cover it? I doubt it since a huge price tag was garnered for the deal.Expect to pay more... it's certainly worth it to isolate the poor people from
their team isn't it?I'll watch as many Ute games as I can but I
won't be subscribing. Others will feel the same way.
Sammygdude, give it up. The Big Ten network is part of the standard line
up for NO extra cost with Direct TV and so will the Pac 12 network. Pull your
head out. You are embarrassing yourself.
Glad to see what a real commissioner can accomplish and achieve. Memo to Craig
Thompson: please pay attention. Oh, wait. It's too late! How this guy has hung
on for as long as he has is beyond me. Good for the Utes and good for the Pac
12! Can't wait to see how the compare/compete with the "Big Boy"
sammyg:As I see it it breaks down like this. Let's say there is a monthly
subscription fee of 10 or even 15 dollars. That small price allows me to watch
my team, no matter which of the television networks on which they appear
(including the PAC 12 network), against the likes of USC, UCLA, UA, ASU, CU,
CAL, Stanford, OSU, OU, WSU, and UW in football and basketball. Small price to
pay for very high quality competition. I'll pay that in a heartbeat.Now on the other hand, BYU fans will not have to pay a subscription fee to see
their team play the likes of Hawaii, Logan State, Idaho State, Idaho, San Jose
State, UCF, and New Mexico State. Not to mention the powerhouse basketball teams
in the WCC.Do you see the difference? We as Utah fans will pay a
slightly higher price for the privilege of getting all of these games. Enjoy
your free coverage.
Wow. The only bad news was that most likely if you want to see all the Ute
games, you may have to pay for it. Other than that, it is better than our BYU
deal. BYU will do fine as an independent but will never be big without a
conference. Of course, I could be wrong but only time will tell. Now hopefully
Utah will enlarge the stadium so that more fans can come to games. I hope they
do well in the PAC-12, oh who cares, they will still get the money.
We're rich! We're rich! The Utes are in the big time!As for the
team in Provo, well, I have an idea. If you put your games on Pay-For-View in
China, you might be able to catch up to the Utes in revenues. Have fun
exchanging all of that Chinese Yuan.
We're moving on up! To the PAC 12! To the Conference of Champions! YA! We're
moving on up! To the big boy table! And we'll gladly pay to see
our boys play UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal....Utah
ClarificationThe Big Ten Network NOT is not available in Comcast
Basic or Family packages which represents a huge market in the cable industry.
Must have Digital Preferred package or higher to get it. Like wise I'm sure for
the Pac-12 Network.Basic DirectTV and Dishnet... smaller subscriber
market than Comcast also requires a Choice package or above. Not available in
basic entry packages.Point being folks is that to watch your all of
the games you will be forced to pay for an expanded lineup. It ain't basic. It
will be a subscription service regardless to how it's packaged.Some
people already have the packages, alot don't and they will have to make a
choice. It's no different than the Mtn.
MESOUTEWow, that is a high monthly price to pay just to watch the
Hogal Zoo team take a thrashing on a weekly basis...but think of it this
way...one dollar out of every 12 dollars you spend will apply to the zoo...well
only about 24 cents on the dollar that is...I have some land in Florida you
would love to buy as well.
This is VERY impressive. Just wait though. The PAC12 has done very well, but
the SEC is going to blow the PAC 12 out of the water very shortly. I predict
they will take a couple of teams from the Big 12 (OU and A&M maybe?) and put
together the mother of all TV deals. That, of course is going ts have another
domino effect. Hopefully BYU can get in somewhere and get a piece of the pie.
As for my Aggies...uh...wait til basketball season?
Veracity, first I believe it is Hogle Zoo not Hogal Zoo. Serious
what compels you and other Y trolls to feel the need to come here and leave your
jealousy infused inane drivel? Some Y fans have been very classy in regards to
the PAC 12 TV contract while others, Veracity, sammyg et. al. seem to be drawn
to a U of U story like a moth to a flame for no other purpose than to leave
logic challenged prognosiss of doom and gloom for the U of U football and
basketball teams. Truthfully for those Y fans that deal in hate for the U of U
I hope Utah going to the PAC-12 chaps your hide something fierce; that would be
BYU = independentutah = dependent
This is excellent. Can the legislature now pass a bill that will lower our
taxes by $20,000,000 a year since Utah will be receiving that much more?Seriously this should be passed on to the people of Utah.I'm
writing my legislator right now!
Great day deal for the Utes. Looking forward to PAC-12 play.Even if
Utah struggles and finishes 6-6, like some team did playing a mid-major
schedule, at least I'll be booking a trip to Vegas not Fort Worth.
"BYU has also put together several goods season(14-1, 12-2, 11-2, 11-2) and
has great tradition while still remaining the only non-BCS school to win a
national championship."TCU has 2 National Championships plus a
BCS win. The last time BYU beat a final ranked non-conference team
was when Norm Chow was in Provo.I'll be happy to upgrade my TV
package to watch the Utes play, after all they upgraded their schedule with
bluecougBYU ceiling=Armed Forces BowlUtah ceiling=BCS
It will take 4 years for Utah to receive a full share. That will put Utah behind
other Conference schools in many ways.When they get a full share it
will merely put them equal to, mid-lower Pac 10.2 school budgets. And they will
be far behind.Dollars will not translate to winning.The
Pac 10.2 is big into Olympic sports. Utah will not compete here, save
gymnastics. Football is not in an upward direction. See: last 4 games last
year.Utah found it difficult to compete for Championships in the
MWC, 1 last year vs 9 for BYU. Overall the U's Athletic Department is not ready
for the Pac 10.2.There is a lot of bluster since Utah's invite, as
if just belonging to a club makes you the elite of said club.Every
BCS league is littered with wannabees. Washington St., Baylor, Vanderbilt,
Northwestern, The Entire Big East. This is Utah's future to be sure.Utah fans think a good decade = Legacy and Brand, it does not, and Utah is
about to find out.Get your thumping chests out of the way, Reality
is just around the corner.
@pocyuteBYU = Top 25 rankings.....National TV every game FB &
BB.....ESPN at their back A realsitic chance for BCS invite with 1 or
2 losses and N.C. potential.Utah = No Top 25 seasons, No TV next
year, Fox Regional thereafter, occasional National Game when playing
BYU, and decades at the bottom of the Pac 10.2 bottom.As for me and my house, we dig the Cougars.
Woo hoo! The taxpayers of Utah are going to get a $20,000,000 refund on our
taxes! No more supporting higher education with our tax dollars! Better yet
let's spend the $20,000,000 on our K-12 schools where it is desperately needed.
Uteology Sorry, a 6-6 record won't get U into the Las Vegas Bowl
anymore. More than likely, it'll get you an at-large bid to the New Mexico Bowl.
Good news for you, however, you can make it a road trip.For BYU, the
Armed Forces Bowl is simply a placeholder - a guaranteed bowl. If the Cougars
don't get a BCS bowl invite, a 10-2 record could easily have ESPN pulling
strings to arrange a more attractive bowl, just like they did last year pulling
Boise State into the Las Vegas Bowl.
Veracity:You obviously missed the interview Ted Miller (the
mothership Pac-12 blogger) did with Larry Scott right after the press conference
yesterday. In response to the question about what value the conference's
addition of the U and CU had to the negotiations, Scott said it was
"exponential." Admit it. This makes the $3M-5M/yr the
Provo Zoo will get from the mothership for football and WCC basketball a bit
No facts here, just an opinion. The PAC deal will end up being good for BYU. The
more money they got, the better. The Big 12 will hopefully see the advantages in
today's market of the 12 team conference and feel the pressure to expand and
keep up with the PAC money. I am happy for the PAC and Utah. Maybe it will lead
to an invite to the Big 12 for BYU.Obviously there is a lot of hope
involved on my part.
44 Regular season games, 10 to national audience = Fox ABC , how many on Fri and
weekday?, How many will u get, I think the national will be the Oregon, Cal,
Stanford, USC and maybe ASU. So it appears the utes will be a weeknight regular.
Also total of 44 games on Fox ABC, if each pac 10 team plays each other, that
comes to roughly 6 games each. I just don't see the math for the exposure for
the u. The contract is 2012 -13 start.Money does not buy success,
the NCAA supposedly regulates the number of scholarships and what can be given
as part of any offer. To think more money will buy a winner is not good
thinking. So many of the aq schools find themselves corrupted by the system.
Trying to keep up with the others breds corruption.I would like to
see some comments about the team on the field and not the money being part of
the conference will bring. I hope that is not all there is.Love the
comment, BYU = independent U = dependent, think about it.
Come on.You gotta admit, this is a great deal for the U of U in
athletics. They need the facilities, and I am happy that they will be able to
pay their own way.BYU and Utah are both WAY better off than they
have been. I am excited for both programs. There really are NO losers this year,
and the future will just get better.Congrats too all.USU
needs to find a conference and make some coin now.
"Love the comment, BYU = independent U = dependent, think about
it."So how indendent is BYU without depending on ESPN?Oh how many times have I heard you trolls say, "well BYU will get the
best bowl game possible, ESPN will make sure of it"Such
BYU is dependent on inflated self worth.
@Just the FAXThe the MTN West #1 or #2 plays #5 or #6 of the PAC 12
in the Vegas bowl, if the PAC 12 is eligible for bowl post play, 6-6. Which is
another reason the Y had to leave the MTN West ASAP. Get your FAX right before
your next comment.
@ibleedcrimsonWhat's a "dillusion"? Do you mean
'delusion'? On the subject at hand this is obviously a huge windfall
for utah but it does need to be tempered with some reality. For one every school
in the pac10 is getting that money as well. That means that utah, which is
already the least, or 2nd least, funded athletic program in the pac10 will
remain in that exact same position. So while they are getting a boatload of
money they are not closing the gap on their competition by even one cent. It also doesn't vault them past BYU in funding as BYU was already
somewhere between 10-14 million ahead of them before either of them enhanced
themselves with their new contracts and situations. In reality it probably
brings them about even with BYU although BYU already has all of the facilities
utah still needs to build so utahs money will need to go to infrastructure for
the next decade or so whereas BYU can spend theirs on program building and other
such things.But overall there is no denying utah just got a big shot
in the arm financially, but the expenses just increased as well.
@JohnInSLCIt is Utah which will be receiving 2-3 million TV dollars
this coming year. 4 years for = revenue sharing. BYU, on
the other hand..... ESPN $$ for.......Football and (don't forget)
Basketball BYU-TV (monetized), ESPN replays on BYU-TV (monetized),
Neutral Game Contracts (TCU 2 million...WVU 2.5 mil...Oklahoma 1.5 mil.)
Road Guarantees, (Which U won't get with Conference Games)100% Bowl
moneyPuts BYU at 12-15 million this year.Add a larger
fan base, larger Home-Gate than Utah, guaranteed checks for every Road Game and
BYU is sitting just fine.When Utah is the next Washington State or
Vanderbilt or Iowa St. of the Pac- 10.2, all the bluster eminating from the
Hill, will subside. And the RES crowds will dry up, i.e. Huntsman Center.
@JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtBYU is dependent on their Name, Brand,
Cache, and Legacy.Which allows others, (ESPN) to pay them Millions
of Dollars for their product.They don't need the Coat-Tails of
others, as does the U.U are about to find out, who the Big Boys of
the Pac are, when they're all on TV and U are not.
"There's no school in the country, or very few, that don't need an infusion
of money to help in these tough times," Hill said.And THAT's
the problem with the exclusionary practices of the BCS. Once BCS bowls become
equitably available to all colleges (both BCS and mid-major), then there won't
be a problem, other than too many undefeated teams at year's end all claiming to
be qualified for the title match-up. But that's what polls and computer ranking
systems are for.It can NEVER be perfect no matter how you do it.A playoff will create even more controversy when a 3-loss and a 2-loss
team (conference champs) end up playing their way through a playoff system over
four undefeated teams just because they got lucky or hot at that time, or
unexpected injuries to key players of the undefeated teams (playing extra games)
caused such a scenario.Nope. Just get the BCS to equitably include
the mid-majors and everyone will be happy.It's nice to see that the
UofU will be bringing money into the state! Kudos for being good in football
@all BYU fansHow come you refer to members of the PAC-12 as the
"Big Boys" when it suits your argument, but in the next breath you
talk about how weak and frail the PAC-12 is in other arguments? You can't have
it both ways, gents.I for one think BYU would be at the top of the
PAC, but if BYU would be, then so would Utah, given that they beat us last
Wow, I am thriving and we as Ute fans should all be thriving off of all of this
hate, venom, bitterness, jealousy, inferiority complex, anger, 'why not us'
attitude, we are getting from tds fans. I love it. Everytime I read one of
their wistful comparisons, about how much better life will be as a 'nobody wants
us' aka 'independent' school versus our Utes' potential in the so-called 'Pac
10.2' I have a deep guttural laugh followed by a half-second of pity for them
all.There was a brief moment last year when our Utes were invited to
the party and the tds was not, where I felt sorry for them and quasi-wished they
were coming along. Then as I watched their arrogance unfold, when they bailed
on an under-the-table deal to stay in the Mountain Worst Conf., leaving their
Aggie brethren high and dry, I though to myself: 'Self, they are in need of
some humbling.' That humbling will continue to grow, as the Utes' wallets do
and as the Pac '10.2' titles overflow out of the new 16 mil. facility. Silly
Cougs, your bowls are for kids. Bon appétit.
Can't you all be happy for each other? I don't get the digs at Utah with people
saying they will now lose in the pac-12. Didn't Dick Harmon regularly write
about how the MWC is equal to or better than the Pac-10? Why now do people
think Utah will get demolished by Pac-12 competition? As for BYU, they will get
some good games against name teams in football. Sure they will play the San
Jose States and Idaho States, but they were playing the New Mexicos and Wyomings
in football anyway so not much difference. BYU will dominate in basketball
except vs Gonzaga (good games) and they will be better off financially and their
fans can see their games. Sounds to me like both schools are better off and we
should all be congratulating each other, right? Or is it easier and more fun to
@Bluto"[Utah] Football is not in an upward direction. See: last 4
games last year."Not a large enough sample size to come to that
conclusion. You have to look at least back to the last 7 years, under coach
Witt, to get a feel of the direction of the program.1. Talent
Level: Utah developed 21 players for the NFL (for a comparison BYU 11)2. Utah finished with one less win playing in the MWC behind BYU3. Since 2007 after being humiliated @UNLV the lowest ranked team Utah has
lost to was @Notre Dame #27 USA Today (for a comparison BYU got hammered on an
annual bases by teams like #108 Utah State, #50 Arizona, 7-6 FSU @LES, etc.)I for one like the direction of our program, don't you worry we will be
just fine.@samThanks buddy for taking the time to do all that
research on what it might cost Utah fans to watch PAC-12 play on TV. As a Ute
watching us play in the PAC 12 is priceless. I don't mind canceling my MTN
subscription and picking up PAC-12 network.Go UTES!!
PAC 12 Network ... $10No longer having to watch the Mountain... PRICELESS!
The backpedaling by BYU fans about how money doesn't matter is faster than Mitt
Romney and some of his stances.
@sammygOnce again, you are completely wrong. I have the lowest
package available on Direct TV, and get the Big 10 Network as part of that. No
additional cost. It's been on since the day they started programming.Do you really not understand why the wording "featured exclusively"
were in that release? Not a businessman obviously. The way the genius Larry
Scott will have the Pac-12 Network on all dish/cable basic packages is because
he has held back "excluive" sets of games as guaranteed programming.
He will be able to say exactly how many live sporting events will be shown on
the Pac-12 Network. That is HUGE. That is his bargaining chip.Just
another bad day for you Coug fans. While Utah fans are watching Utah vs. UCLA
in November, BYU fans will be watching BYU vs. (Insert Awful WAC team). After
BYU losses their FIRST game of the season, they will have nothing to play for.
They are locked in to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl! While Utah could lose to
BYU, Pitt, USC and even ASU as still be playing Oregon for a trip to the Rose
williary,Utah will be home eating Kraft Cheese as they watch BYU.
Some of these comments are a little silly...First off, Utah is in a
fantastic position in the PAC-12. I don't see how you can possibly spin it any
other way. BYU would have jumped at the opportunity had they been invited. I think Independence is still a great consolation prize for BYU. They
have a contract with ESPN (I keep seeing numbers thrown around about how much
that contract is worth, but we don't know. BYU and ESPN have kept those
confidential.) and they're own network. They have the flexibility to play the
big boys in football and get plenty of exposure. They can still get a BCS invite
IF they go undefeated. Their other sports will do just fine in the WCC. BCS
affiliation isn't so important outside of football, just look at this years NCAA
Basketball tourney for examples. So, as a Y fan, I'm happy with the
state of BYU athletics, but fellow Y fans, lets not kid ourselves... The Pac-12
deal is fantastic and there is no other way to spin it.
JohnInSLCduh...what do you think Larry Scott would say, the truth?
Come on, I bet he would say my old ugly dog was a fine specimen of an
animal...Boy, you bit that speel 'hook, line and sinker'
I can already predict next year's comments from the U haters...If Utah
does real well...."See the PAC 10 was a joke. Ha ha"If Utah does
poorly...."Welcome to the Big Boys little brother"If Utah gets
in the middle of the pack..."Ha, you landed back in the Vegas
Bowl".Pathetic jealousy will make Utah cry all the way to the bank.
Maybe the U athletic department will be able to operate in the black now. I
think I remember reading an article one time about another university in Utah
that is one of only a few that has operated in the black for years despite
getting a pittance from their conference TV deal.I guess that
university has a large enough fan base and rich enough boosters to operate a
profitable "business" without begging for funds from daddy.Essentially, the U just got "Federal aid" to keep their
"business" afloat. Couldn't run a profitable company on their own.Grew up in Utah, but a Cardinal all the way (my alma mater). Still
can't believe we took Utah over BYU. The only bad decision so far by the
commish.BYU may have added money to the deal; Utah is just taking my
school's share away.Couldn't stand idly by and watch utes beating
their chests; had to comment on this one. Laughable.
Some of the billions should start going to the players.
Veracity:How about Mike Riley, Oregon State's coach? He was a critic
but now acknowledges the expansion was worth it. No one is laughing with you.Bluto:Utah will make it up shortly. And what's the source of
your phantom numbers? Do you think BYU-TV will sell commercial time to air BYU
playing [ahem] New Mexico State? If you do, douse yourself with cold water.
Cable operators would want a piece of the pie--which would be awfully small,
since even you wouldn't want to watch that train wreck.
What's in it for me!You were far more correct than even you gave
yourself credit for. You said what if a team peaks at the right time, gets
lucky, no injuries, etc.. If they are unable to win it all, then doesn't that
say they are not as good a "team" as those that may have lost 2 or 3
games and still could win, that is a team. What if they had injuries at the time
of loosing. Your logic to protect the BCS doesn't hold water.The BCS
is a money maker and those in charge know so. Hopefully all of the teams will be
given an equal opportunity to play. It is monopolistic and should be handled as
such. The system can be fixed, but it will be a tough haul.Go aggies
@pac12utesThe new facility at the u will be nice but BYU already
built a superior facility a decade ago. u are playing catch up ans still not
quite catching up.LOL
Ducky, they "ans' still not catching up?? Pray tell when will BYU catch up
and actually get to, let alone win, a BCS game? Also tell me when BYU will get
invited to leave the Mid Majors? Actually I am not I Y hater, I just tire of
the endless parade of Y fans (not all of them but far too many) on U of U boards
trying to put down my school; confident people dont do that but confident they
are not (jealous and insecure is more like it).
@ all cougar fans commenting on this threadPAC 12 tv deal > BYU's
contract with ESPN. There's no need to get all worked up about it. Come
september, the better team will still walk off the field with a victory.
Personally, I hope the Utes hand the cougs a defeat at home, but all bets are
off when it comes to this game.GO UTES!!!
It's amusing to watch the envious Cougar Cougar Collective twisting to find
fault with the PAC 12 deal when they would desperately like to be in Utah's
position.They hold out frenzied hope for a BIG 12 invite not
realizing that the Big 12 is not an equal payout conference, so even if the
invite were to come they would not be equal partners (as Utah will be in 2014,
so save your comments), but would be junior partners to Texas in every sense of
the word. It's got to hurt to be among the uninvited.
Actually Howard, read the fine print. They were explaining on the radio today
that they are equal based on how many games are nationally televised. The
average PAC team last year had 5 games televised nationally. USC had 10. If Utah
has the average(in 2014 of course) and USC has 10, USC will get 27 mill and Utah
will get 19.As for wanting desperately to be in Utah's position, you
are partially correct. See I can admit that Utah has a better deal, but if BYU
beats Utah this fall, the desperation will completely disappear. Money does not
equal wins, Just ask WSU.Junior partner to Texas>Junior partner
to USC. Until then(wishful thinking of course)Utah has a better deal; but not
until 2014. I am impressed with the money though, it does make me jealous, but
not ever enough to become a Utah fan.
Congrats to the University of Utah. As a BYU fan I will be a big supporter of
the Utes in the future. This move to the Pac 12 is great for the school and the
state of Utah. This money deal the conference has made with Fox & ESPN is
great. The money coming into the University will provide them with upgrading all
areas in their sports programs. Hats off to Chris Hill and the University. I am
afraid BYU with it's Independence will drop a notch. It's going to be
interesting to see how this all plays out in the years ahead.
@Cougars1On the radio huh? Then it must be true, right?I've not seen this reported anywhere, so I you don't mind I'll wait for a
credible source.As for not becoming a Ute fan... Well, even
mid-major, non-AQ teams need supporters
all the loot Arizona and Arizona St has received over the years has only got
them 2 rose bowls in 33 years combined! Stay Classy!
"If Utah has the average(in 2014 of course) and USC has 10, USC will get 27
mill and Utah will get 19."Interesting this has not once, ever
been said in print. You're either missunderstanding or did not the hear the full
context of the discussion. If you can link an authoratative source with this
stated I'll be the first to give you props, otherwise I'll sit back and wait for
it to become fact in every duckhunter, sammyg, bluto and the other troll nation
posts on Ute articles.
@ibleedcrimsonOnce again I am your focus LOLThat is the
1st I have heard on that revenue split as well but I will use the google and see
what I can find. Of course you should be able to do that as well rather than
just accepting some false claims by ductman and then automatically taking the
opposite position from me. That's called intellectual honesty.LOL
Howard and ibleedI heard Olsen on the radio citing what he said was
a credible source. I tend to agree with both of you. It was interesting to hear,
but until someone else with credibility on the topic can back it up, I think we
have to take it at face value. Either way, it is a great deal for Utah.As for mid-majors needing fans....yes Howard, you are correct. What may
surprise you is the number of mid-major schools that have a larger fan base than
Utah;even with the PAC ties.
Jon Wilner had a good article on College Hotline with some great details of the
PAC12 deal. He basically said that there are some expenses that will come out
first and it is an escalating contract staring with $180mil the first year and
increasing to well over $250mil in the final year. Giving each team about $15mil
per and $25mil per in the final year. That would be great for Utah.
Since the deal starts in 2012, by the time Utah starts receiving full share
that's when the big money will start coming in. Way to go Utah. Props.
@Bluto"BYU is dependent on their Name, Brand, Cache, and
Legacy"What Brand, Chache, and Legacy does byu have? Obviously
all the BCS Confrences don't see it or they would of invited you. Notre Dame is the only Independent school that has Brand, Cache, and Legacy
because every BCS Conference wants them, especially the BIG 10.Just
admit dude, your jealous of the U's PAC 12 invite!