TO "LDS Liberal | 11:04 a.m. " wow, for somebody who claims membership
in a church that preaches love and tolerance, you really have been full of
hateful statements every day.Yes Obama has a bump in his polling,
but so did Bush I, and Bush II. If you look at the papers now, the cheering
over Obama's death is now over, and people are still unemployed, the economy
isn't doing that great, and we are now involved in wars in 3 countries.Unless something changes for the better, Obama's boost isn't going to last for
You libs look so foolish quoting these editorial opinions from liberal hacks as
your sources saying waterboarding was not contributory.Leon
Panetta..Obama's own CIA chief in an interview with Brian Williams (another
liberal) said:from the transcript:WILLIAMS: Turned
around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the
tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?PANETTA: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they
used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees.You people have exactly ZERO credibility when liberals who would
actually know what they are talking about and have access to the classified
documents of what happened and where intelligence came from said that
waterboarding was used and in part "led to this successful
mission".So is obama's CIA chief a liar, incompetent, or are we
to believe you guys have access to information he does not?
@xscribe"Now you can go back to your ranting and raving!"That is a pretty funny statement coming from one of the biggest ranters.
Are people at homeless tent cities also waving flags and chanting
"USA?" Yeah, Osama is dead -- although it is interesting that as I was
watching BBC interview a political expert even he had doubts about the story
Obama is currently selling us. Such is the state of trust for Obama. No,
blowing up Gadaffi's grand children will not bring him re-election, nor will
being a hypocritical tool of the Wall Street/international banking cartel.
True, the media in the USA counts on the people being gullible enough to blindly
support "the one" but here's news, people aren't trusting the
mainstream media either.
No! He is just grasping at straws. He promised to fundamentally transform our
country and he has done just that. Its the economy that counts, and he has done
a number on it. Even though the MSM will not report the devistation he has
metted out on our country. The people, by now, know that things have changed
and will change much much more. Obama should be a one term president, unless
the community organizing is successful again. Call Soros, somebody.
Well, if it is pubic welfare we want we must have Mr. Obama remain in office as
he looks out for the little guys, the union members, and all other dependent
members of our communities. He will look after us in spite of what it costs the
rest of society. Bread for feedom...how can we fail.
Justmythoughts:Bush gets blame for the economy because his last
month in office the U.S. bled 700,000 jobs. The jobs picture has been steadily
improving since Obama took office--but it was a deep hole to claw our way out of
and the comeback is slow. Yeah, Obama underestimated how deep the mess Bush had
left him was, and his prediction of trying to avoid 8% unemployment was
optimistic. It was, though, a prediction, not a promise.And if we're
talking about inaccurate predictions, how long did Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld
say we'd be in Iraq? Six weeks?And the reason Bush doesn't get much
credit for getting Bin Laden is because he openly, admittedly gave up looking
for him. By 2002 he was saying he didn't really care or worry about Bin Laden
any more, and by 2005 Bush had dismantled the CIA's Bin Laden unit.
If Obama can STILL blame Bush for the economy....Why can't Bush get some
of the credit for the excellent Military operation?I for one am just
glad that Osama Bin Laden got what he deserved...
What happened this week and where we will be in November 2012 are two different
things. George H.W. Bush had a 90% approval rating in Feb 1991 right after a
brilliant display of leadership and was OUT of office less than 2 years later.
Why? To quote a favorite Democratic mantra: IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!Killing bin Laden won't matter to people if they are still out of work and
their money is getting less valuable. I don't say this to diminish this
accomplishment. In my opinion, this act alone (presiding over the killing of
bin Laden) will get Obama a favorable spot in the history books. But people
need work and his policies aren't creating jobs.
Obama did a fine thing by having the gumption to "pull the trigger" on
the bin Laden mission. But that in no way negates his performance in other
critical areas. That's not to say that everything else he has done is lacking;
it's just that I hope voters have the good sense to weigh other performance
factors when 2012 rolls around.
"The statement came from a report provided by his political advisors".
Exactly. Barack and his team made their best guess that if we spent a
trillion dollars then unemployment would not reach 8 percent. They were as
close as a sports commentator today predicting the jazz will win the nba
championship. Or a farmer who planted potatoes predicting that corn will grow
instead. Or a metereologist predicting that it won't rain once more in 2011.
The difference between 8 percent and over 11 percent is gigantic. Any sane
person would do from now one the exact opposite of what barack suggests for the
re:ChrisBFirst, politifact could find no instance of Obama or anyone in
his administration directly making that statement in public. The statement came
from a report prepared by his economic advisors relying on the only figures they
had at the time. As stated above, the report came with heavy disclaimers and
warnings of significant margins of error. Of course, political
opponents/pundits then started repeating the lie that Obama "promised"
something he did not. In case you dom't remember the economy was in a freefall
and nobody knew exactly its path and the Obama Administration, along with many
economists, believed that a stimulus was needed to stop the slide, hence the
report of how a stimulus might help the economy. Secondly, every
Pres. has made promises and pledges which have not been adhered to or followed
with positive and negative consequences. Life is unpredictable for us all and
often involves making reassessments and changes. It would be a foolish person
that rigidly, blindly adhered to "promises" just because. Wisdom
often requires flexibility. Our biggest challenge is to separate fact from
still plenty of time before the election for his poll numbers to subside back
where they belong, reflective of his miserable handling of the economy and
federal deficits. People only have to spend $5 - $6 a gallon for gas for only a
little while before they realize his groveling before Saudi princes does nothing
for us. Remember Bush Sr? His approval ratings were at 90%
following the gulf war. How many terms did he serve?Yeah, libbies,
swoon all you want over BO's luck at bush's intelligence services finally
finding bin laden so BO could have him whacked, the bump in the polls won't last
Truthseeker, you are right "promised" is not the correct term.
However , Regardless of widespread disclaimers that barack and his
supporters may try to hide behind he said to the american people "we need
to act quickly in passing these stimulus funds to prevent unemployment from
reaching 8 percent". No disclaimer can change that. It remains that either
he and his advisers are clueless or he knowingly said something that wasn't
correct. If 8 percent wasn't his BEST estimate than why did jhe say it? If
it was his best estimate then he should hjave cleaned house of his financial
team. Any leader of any organization that is that far off in their projections
and who caused such negative impacts(see one billion in just interest every
single day) would have been lomg gone. Disclaimer or no, he either
knowingly gave us wrong estimates or his financial team is no better than that
ABSOLUTELY his ratings will continue up .... as long as the economy recovers,
unemployment declines significantly, taxes don't go up, gas prices go down
drastically, Obamacare doesn't impact business's in a negative way with all the
new regulations and taxes forthcoming and our debt is reduced thus preserving
our AAA bond rating. This Osama killing will allow for a brief honeymoon until
it becomes old news and the ugly reality of our day to day economy smacks us in
the face again...and back to reality. After that, Obama will settle back to the
low 40's where he belongs... or high 30's. Be sure that OBama will attempt to
milk this Osama killing for all its worth and then some claiming full credit for
the war on terror ( that he opposed 3 years ago).
Re:Chris B"The claim that the Obama administration
"promised" the stimulus would keep the unemployment rate below 8
percent is a popular talking point among Republican critics of the stimulus. What we saw from the administration in January 2009 was a projection,
not a promise. And it was a projection that came with heavy disclaimers.
"It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo
are subject to significant margins of error," the report states.
Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the
current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its
severity."There's also a footnote that goes along with the
chart that states: "Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery
plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates
as high as 11% in the absence of action."We think it's a big
stretch to call an economic projection a "promise." The administration
never characterized it that way and included plenty of disclaimers saying the
predictions had "significant margins of error" and a higher degree of
uncertainty due to a recession that is "unusual both in its fundamental
causes and its severity." (Politifact)
There is no question Obama deserves credit for the death of OBL. He made the
final decision that it would be okay to put Navy SEALs in danger's way. He
would have received all of the blame had something gone awry, so he deserves
credit.Did the death of OBL convince me that, suddenly, I'm happy
with the job Obama is doing as our President? I guess I'm not that finicky.
re:Anti-Government"though his own CIA chief admitted that
"enhanced interrogation techniques" (aka waterboarding) at Guantanomo
Bay resulted in information that assisted in locating OBL."There were only 3 prisoners (Mohammed, Zubaydah, al-Nashiri) who were
waterboarded. When Khalid Sheik Mohammed was asked about Bin Laden's courier he
denied the role and position of the courier. The person who revealed the
courier's name was Hassan Ghul. C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A.
asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him,
but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was quite
cooperative, saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief. Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation
of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that
coercive techniques didnt provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information.
Barack said his #1 priority was the economy when he was elected.Let's recap how that went.barack:"We need to act
quickly in passing these stimulus funds to prevent unemployment from reaching
8%"Unemployment soared to over 11%, is still well above 8%
almost three years later, and is expected to be over 8% for a couple more
years.We are paying 1 Billion in just interest, daily, from barack's
spendathon.Do I blame barack for all our economic problems? NoIs barack to blame for telling us that if we let him spend a trillion of
our dollars that unemployment would not reach 8%?Yes - he alone is
to blame for that.Either barack doesn't know a thing about our
economic structure or he lied to us.It's one or the other.If he thought it would stay below 8% then that shows his true brilliance. If he didnt think it would stay below 8% then why did he say it?Telling us unemployment would stay below 8% if we let him spend a
trillion and then having it soar to over 11% is unacceptable.He is
either clueless or a fool. Or both
I find it frankly disgusting that Americans complain about oil prices. The
prices have gone up because of speculation in the oil markets because of
revolutions in the Middle East and North Africa! People fighting for the same
freedoms that Americans enjoy! And you're going to say "Well, that's fine,
freedom's nice for you people, but quiet down and get your oil wells running
again so us Americans can have $2 gas!" People complain about oil
production in the U.S., but the fact is there are thousands of oil drilling
permits that are not even being used. And if we were to increase production
dramatically, OPEC would simply decrease their production to keep the market
where they want it. Some claim that Obama had nothing to do with
Osama's capture. That's patently false. In 2007 he promised more troops in
Afghanistan. In 2008 he said if he had a clear shot at Osama in Pakistan he'd
take it without asking Pakistan's permission. (McCain even criticized him for
this.) Upon taking office, he reopened the CIA Bin Laden office, which W. had
closed in 2005. Finally, he ordered the hit.
'Anyone who wants ANY credibility knows that the NYT is a liberal bastion...' -
Anti Government | 2:30 p.m. And CBS? Washington Times? Gallup Poll? Dick Cheny? You can try to discredit everyone,
but after a point, your the only person you will believe. Also, you
claim enviormentalist prevent oil production domestically... but the story
about the alaska oil spill IS domestic oil! The rest of your post is
simply an adhomimen attack, based on nothing but your opinion.
'Anyone who wants ANY credibility knows that the NYT is a liberal
bastion...(sic) everyone knows it.' - Anti Government | 2:30 p.m.
And as such, not worth a reply. Have a good day.
There are several people on this thread who are so out of touch with reality,
blinded by their petty, personal hatred of Obama, that they just can't get their
facts right. Some examples:Anti-Government said: "is own CIA
chief admitted that "enhanced interrogation techniques" (aka
waterboarding) at Guantanomo Bay resulted in information that assisted in
locating OBL."Not true. Waterboarding at Gitmo failed.
Traditional interrogation techniques, applied at a secret CIA facility in
Eastern Europe, produced the intel.Patriot complained about taxes
and unemployment going up. But the tax rate under Obama is the lowest it has
been in 50 years! 1/3 of the stimulus that the conservatives hate so much was
tax cuts. And unemployment is not going up. It has been going down--certainly
not as fast as everyone would like, but it was a deep hole to start at the
bottom of. The month before Obama took office the U.S. shed 700,000 jobs. That
number improved month by month after Obama took office, and has now been in
positive territory for several months in a row.How sad that some
people would rather hate Obama than admit to America's comeback!
re: paganYour responses are so typical of a democratic operative.
You so handily have all your out of context quotes with dates...generally
designed to deflect attention from the real issue.fo your
information I don't watch Fox news any more than I watch other news channels.
Quite frankly I don't "watch" alot of news.Anyone who
wants ANY credibility knows that the NYT is a liberal bastion and always has
been in their back pocket. Your assertions to the contrary just expose your own
pathetic bias.Your response to the oil issue...once again talk about
oil prices during other presidencies instead of responding to my
point...environmentalists are consistently blocking oil production and develop
domestically. That is the issue but we know you can't directly respond to that
because it is true and everyone knows it.Why are you telling me
other presidents approval ratings anyways? Do you hear me going on about how
Bush was a great president? No my point was almost every other poll besides NYT
and CBS say he got no bump in approval ratings from this. Their results are
always skewed in Dems favor.Soooo predictable.
"Obama is fighting 3 wars and brilliantly accomplished what President Bush
wasn't able to do: eliminate Osama bin Laden from the face of the
earth."Right, because Obama was the one that tracked him down
and shot him, not the Navy SEALS like we were told. If anyone else were
president, this never would have happened!Get real. We don't give
Truman the credit for bringing down Nazi Germany, do we? Give credit where
credit is due.
re:Chris B"I will cut the deficit in half within 4 years in
office"Yes, Obama Administration officials said his budget plan
would seek to accomplish that-back in Feb. 2009. How? His plan included
letting the Bush tax cuts expire for upper levels of income go from 35% to
39.6%, capital gains increase from 15% to 20%. His plan also included
aggressive enforcement of corporate loopholes, and taxing the earnings of hedge
fund managers as normal income rather than the 15% capital gains rate. Overall, tax collections under the plan would rise from about 16 percent
of the economy this year to 19 percent in 2013, while federal spending would
drop from about 26 percent of the economy, another post-World War II high, to 22
percent.(Washington Post "Obama's First Budget Seeks to Trim
Deficit)So why didn't it happen? You know the answer.
People are so easily persuaded.
"I will cut the deficit in half within 4 years in office" - Chris B |
1:50 p.m. Has it actually BEEN for years? Yeah, I
didn't think so either.
Barack also said "I will cut the deficit in half within 4 years
in office"Instead of cutting it in half, he's added to it.Do I blame him for all our economic problems? NoDo I blame
him for lying and telling us he would cut the deficit in half?Yes.Absolutely.Anyone but barack 2012.Anyone, seriously.
'Gee, Obama unleashes a war against Libya to steal their oil...' - Mike777 |
12:29 p.m. Your confusing Obama with Donald Trump. About
Lybia: ""I'd do one thing. Either I'd go in and take the oil or
I don't go in at all," - 04/18/11 - Forbes Magazine Also Lybia
is the responsibility of NATO. Not one American casualty has happened in
Lybia. And if your upset about war: *"The Iraqi
regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is
seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002
'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' 'Former head of UN weapons inspections
Hans Blix also said there was no surprise in the announcement. "We
have believed that there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003...' -
BBC News - 01/12/05 Please explain why you are not upset about Iraq
and Afghanistan? 'On my orders, the United States military has begun
strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of
the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.' - GEORGE W. BUSHStatement given
after the start of the US and British military strikes on targets in Afghanistan
on Sunday, 7th October 2001.
I am elated that we got OBL, and I give high praise to President Obama for
whatever his role was in bringing that to pass. My opinion of him has
definitely improved.However, this in no way will cause me to vote
for him in the upcoming election. My personal approval rating of him has gone
up, but that rating puts him nowhere near the levels of someone for whom I would
cast a vote. His court appointments alone prevent me from being able to support
him in an election (and his anticipated appointments alone was enough to prevent
me from supporting him in the last election). I give credit where
credit is due, however, and as noted, whatever role he had in getting OBL is to
be highly praised and congratulated. While I will not support him with my vote
in any election, he has my "support" as our president in all of the
good things he does, and getting OBL is beyond question one of those good
Gee, Obama unleashes a war against Libya to steal their oil, the economy is in
shambles, he appoints people to government posts who were top executives to the
corporations that brought us the economic mess in the first place, he plays golf
more than tiger Woods and just because he orders the execution of Osama a bunch
of people say they now support him? You know, now I see how the eventual end of
the Nephites makes total sense.
Patriot.... are you aware that we exported more than we imported for the last 3
months? A small headline that I guess the liberal based media forgot to
mention.I guess the batting average is in the toilet to some, and
super high to others. To put it another way, if Obama were a football player,
he would be a full back. Many would complain his receiving yards falls way
short, ignoring he is racking up the running yards.It's all a matter
of perspective. There are those who think the recession, bailouts, debt for
war, all started when Obama raised his arm to the square. Both Bush and Obama
operated in an imperfect world. Bush had to do something - that something cost
lots of money and ultimately cost the economy. Obama had to do something, and
that ultimately cost us as well. Doing nothing by either leader was an option
- though some like to believe so.We'll never know what the results
of the "do nothing" option would have been. Bottom line though is
hiring has come back, the markets have mostly recovered, active fighting in Iraq
is done, and we have an imperfect health bill.
You can't trust these polls, they are in the back pocket of the dems. Just wait
as unemployment continues to increase, people continue to lose their homes, and
gas prices increase. Even the dem polling services won't be able to maintain
this result. And to paperboy111, get real! Remember, 'figures lie, and liars
figure'. You can believe the polls if you want.
I think Obama will get and should get a momentary bump in ratings but nothing
more. This killing of Osama was the first good thing OBama has done in 3 years
but there is still the stinking economy, high taxes, debt and our AAA Debt
rating risk of being demoted. Oh and add to that the high gas prices and lack of
oil drilling. Let's not get too excited over this... Obama's overall batting
average is still in the toilet.
War hero now.
The admission was that there was waterboarding, but the information that the
person provided came well after, not during, the waterboarding. So the
information was not a direct cause of the waterboarding. Let's stay with the
facts as they are presented.Now you can go back to your ranting and
Anti Government:"Many other reputable more neutral
polls..."You mean polls that you agree with.I don't
know if it's funny or sad that so many conservatives here are so desperate to
deny President Obama ANY credit for this. If Bush or another Republican had
done this, these same people would be singing from the rooftops in praise. This
bump in the polls may not last forever, but Americans (for the most part) are
acknowledging that he, his administration, and our troops have done an excellent
job here. Some people clearly hate Obama more than they care about our country
and its' security.
'These two news organizations are basically cheering sections and propaganda
puppets for this administration.' - Anti Government | 10:47 a.m.
And the DSnews? Dick Cheney?? No. This is not a 'propaganda'
article. You've spent too much time watching Fox News. This is
genuine. People are grateful for a President who does the job. If
your guide for a good president is gas prices, then you must be very angry, all
the time. Gas was 0.75 cents/gallon when my mother was a child. That was 'back when' they allowed oil to be drilled on American
soil. *'Alaska Oil Spill: Trans-Alaska Pipeline Shuts Down 800 Mile
Area In North Slope' - Huffington Post - 05/26/10 'Up to several
thousand barrels of crude oil from the trans-Alaska pipeline spilled Tuesday
into a massive tank and overflowed into a containment area, shutting down the
800-mile line until the hazard is removed.' I guess alaska dosen't
'count?' As with all presidents, Obama's approval will go down. Bushs' was, what? 21%? *'Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22
Percent' - CBS - 01/16/09 Nixon had a 24% approval.
I know Mike Richards, RedShirt, KM, Uncle Charles, wrz and others are not going
to like hearing about this.They want Obama to fail, fogetting the
fact that if the POTUS fails, America fails.I'm no fan of former
Pres. Bush, but I never wished him to fail....do things differently - yes, but
The NYT and CBS polls?Seriously?These two news
organizations are basically cheering sections and propaganda puppets for this
administration.Many other reputable more neutral polls show the
President got little if any bump from this. I will give him some credit even
though his own CIA chief admitted that "enhanced interrogation
techniques" (aka waterboarding) at Guantanomo Bay resulted in information
that assisted in locating OBL.Yes the same techniques that obama
banned and at the Gitmo which obama vowed to close but now realizes he can't and
he was wrong. Oops.In a few days people will become
reconnected with reality though.The govts own statistics say 1 in 7
are now on foodstamps. 44.2 million. I'm sure this adminstration is pleased
with that statistic given the fact their goal is to get more people dependent on
govt.The dollar just hit a 3 year low.Economic
indicators are bleak and anemic.Unemployment remains high.Gas prices are ridiculously high BECAUSE this administration allow
environmentalists to stop oil development here in the USA. Obamas response?
"people will need to get used to it". Bush was crucified in the press
for gas prices.The list goes on.
Obama is fighting 3 wars and brilliantly accomplished what President Bush wasn't
able to do: eliminate Osama bin Laden from the face of the earth. This
effectively neuters the Republican complaint that Democrats (and Obama) are soft
on terror and unable to keep the U.S. safe. Obama also put to rest the silly
birther complaints by releasing his long-form birth certificate. My hope is that
we can get back to debating the issues that really matter to most Americans as
we approach the next election cycle.