With Stanford and Oregon not on the schedule, there is no reason to believe
anyone has a better chance to play in the Pac 12 championship game. An undefeated season is unlikely with the quality of opponents week in and
week out, but a Rose Bowl is the goal, a goal which is absolutely a strong
possibility if Wynn is healthy and continues to improve.Weaknesses
were exposed last year, which was good timing considering the move to the Pac
12. Whittingham will ensure the necessary changes are made to solidify those
weaknesses.The running backs and linebackers will be the heart and
soul of this team. It will be a fantastic first season. I think the rest of
the Pac 12 is in for a rude welcoming.
"We're not in dire straits," Whittingham said. "But if we can
help ourselves out by adding another quarterback to our program, then we'll do
it."Dire straits = if Wynn's not 100%"...
We've got a long ways to go... if we're going to have a chance to be a good
football team."And these quotes are inspiring the masses to
believe in a winning season and a bowl game?Can we say 'panic mode'?
SammygYes, the Utes are installing a new offense but I think I will go
with Norm Chow and his coaching pedigree as opposed to the Skyline High school
JV team coaches at the Y. Can you say "panic mode"?
No Sammyg, no panic mode... See that is the difference between Utah fans and BYU
fans... Every Spring BYU is QB-ed by a sure-fire All-American/future NFL player.
there are 2-3 future NFL O-linemen ahead of him and "this year" the Y
has all the athletes it needs on defense. I mean there are no weaknesses...In the Utes Spring we see and discuss rough edges and even heave forbid
areas of relative weakness... Ute fans seem less likely to convince themselves
that they are loaded at every position.The real funny thing is it is
Ute fans that have seen 2 undefeated teams in the last 7 years, it is Ute fans
that are coming off of a 10-3 season (not 7-6). Maybe Ute fans are more
realistic because they like their reality better than BYU fans like their
Not 'panic mode' sammyg, 'PAC12 mode'.
Hey tdlawton, let us know when your sure fire NFL superstar QB actually beats a
team with a winning record. Until then, continue thinking that the one team he
did beat with a winning record, San Diego State, was actually a game where the
outcome is questioned due to some alleged cheating in the booth. Sorry, but he
has not accomplished anything, and it took the whole season with a watered down
playbook for him to be remotely successful. Washington sure looks like the smart
ones when they didn't offer him a scholarship and choose Joe Montana's kid
instead of your sure fire winner. Good luck with that, ha!
If the rb's are the 'heart and soul' of this ute team, they are going down in
flames. The ute rb situation is scary.You can have chow and his
'coaching pedigree'. He coached UCLA into being one of the worst offenses in D1
football with more talent than utah has. Good luck with that.
Calm down, girls. All the speculation about how good Utah will/won't be means
nothing in May. Like every year, how they actually perform on the gridiron is
what counts.I have to admit it, I am a nervous about the upcoming
season.I hope the decreased production by the offense in the latter
half of last season was due to Wynn's bad shoulder, but we won't know until we
see him take the field.I hope that the secondary will grow up
quickly. I don't think Coach Whittingham would have approved moving Blechen to
linebacker if he thought there weren't players ready to play at safety in
2011.I am less worried about the running backs, but having no
returning contributors is less than ideal.I believe the new offense
will be a better match for Wynn. No opponent ever considered him a threat to
run the ball. I hope the backups get game ready since they will be called upon
to take some snaps during the season.Next fall's schedule will be
the toughest one Utah has ever played. I hope they're up to it.Go
"Raising the bar"! I wonder from where the ute coaches borrowed that
Sammy posts only to anger everyone in red. Utah will be ok. On paper, Utah has
one of the the toughest schedules in the country. Montana State is a very tough
Div I aa team so we better not take them lightly. Our defense will keep us in
games while the offense comes around.
Granted it is Spring time along the Wasatch but it's pretty obvious that Coach
Whit and Chow are frustrated. The optimism is there in their
politically correct comments but it is so guarded and reserved one would have to
think that they are preparing the masses for a funeral.The QB
situation is grave at best. If Wynn does not come back at 100% kiss the season
goodbye. The two bench QBs, were off the mark in Spring training. Sure there's
29 practices left but if Wynn is not 100% or takes a few hits and gets injured
again Utes are toast. Do we now understand the context of "if we can help
ourselves out by adding another quarterback to our program, then we'll do
it"?The RB situation is not any better. What was it for the
rugby player, 4 yds in the Red/White game? Clearly a big risk with a huge
learning curve. Maybe it will work out but time is of the essence.Sounds like recruiting problems have hobbled this year's team. Maybe not but
I'm pretty reserved about this year's possibilities in a tougher conference.
Let's see... 90% of Utah's playmakers gone from last year.... Asiata, Wide,
Brooks, Smithson = GONE.Wynn's health a possible issue.....Nobody who can step in if Wynn can't go.....Methinks the Utes
could in for a rude welcoming party to the Pac 12. Good luck with that Rose
Bowl Utes. I'm thinking more like Vegas Bowl, if you're lucky.
Sources indicating that a new Pac-12 TV deal will be announced tomorrow. Word
is around $225,000,000 annually, for $18.75M per team. Content to be split
between Fox and ESPN. More money, check. ESPN exposure, check.
Direct path to a BCS game, check. Yeah, so much for that
independent thing being a "better move."
I am excited for the season to begin!
Depth will be the issue at Utah for 3-4 seasons. can Utah win in those years,
you bet. The key, as always, is to stay healthy. I love college football,
cannot wait for the PAC 12 teams to visit Utah versus the MWC teams of the past.
I like Wynn as a passer. We have all sorts of talent at the
playmaker positions. I worry about the offensive line holding up against the
rigors of the PAC 12 schedule. My guess is that is where the week in and week
out pounding will be the most felt and where we need the most depth. That could
spell problems in the last 3 or 4 games of the season.
Where's hedgie, oh ya on the Y article. Can anyone tell me who the seven
committments were that changed to the U with the announcement the U was going
pac 10.Chris B. are you serious?
the real worry is the health and depth of the Offensive Line, utah has lost a
lot of experience and talent on the line the last 2 years. This will be the big
reason that Utah is good or not. Protecting Winn and opening holes for the
@ willary;Close your mouth and open your ears for just a second.The
Utes are very lucky indeed for their good fortunes of being invited to the PAC.
They will get more money from the PAC championship game alone than they get for
an entire MWC season. Eventually, they will probably be getting an equal share
of the PAC contract. Utah could never have gone the independence route
because they would never get the backing without a strong conference
affiliation. They are too weak on their own and have no national relevence. BYU, a nationally relevent team, chose to go independent because it
accomplished what they want. It gives them even more national exposure and
relevence, freedom to broadcast their games worldwide, more recruiting power and
it gives them another very good source of income for the entire athletic
program. Independence may be a long term situation for them by their choice if
it works well enough, which it should.
dforth79,I agree that OL is the key for the comming season Both Wynn
and the running backs are reyling on this group.Make no mistake the
current Oline has a lot of talent - both Bergstrom and Cullen will both be in
the NFL next year.
@KamuteMy posts are more of an anti-hype view of the situation. I do
not disagree with any of your points other than the 'anger' statement.Are the following comments any less than what I was commenting on? Maybe you
don't like my prose but the underlying message is really no different. I guess
it must just depend on the messenger, eh?govt rocks... "I worry
about the offensive line holding up against the rigors of the PAC 12
schedule."Utah'95... "I have to admit it, I am a nervous
about the upcoming season."Truer words have never been spoken.
Call it 'worry', 'nervous' or for a little drama call it 'panic', it
doesn't change anything. Reality is settling in and this September will be one
It won't require much effort to raise the bar since the bar was so low already.
@TJ"Eventually, they will probably be getting an equal share of
the PAC contract."Well, that makes it sound far less impressive
than reality. Utah will be a fully vested Pac-12 member in 2014 I believe, no
if, and's, or but's about it.BYU's "national relevance"
ends once you step out of any LDS wardhouse across the country. Those are
members, not fans.
crisb;You are a very upbeat person when it comes to your Utes. Kudos to
you. Reality is that Utah has a relatively inexperienced offensive line and they
have no depth there. If they can get to the PAC championship game they will be
very fortunate and I will be pleasantly surprised. I will be rooting for them
either way. If they have any injuries or underachieving on the O line, their
young running backs will be in trouble and their passing game could suffer as
well. Their QB missed the entire spring season. He may come through and be the
man they need but it is less likely than if he had had the spring reps.Defense is in better shape but it will not be as good overall as their 04 and
08 defenses and they had much easier schedules.
I like what I see and what I hear from Ute coaches. We have experienced coaches
who know better than to get too high or too low. That has been one of the
hallmarks of Coach Wittingham's style. They are in the process of tweaking a
team that went 10-3 last season. Those BYU fans who see panic mode in what our
coaches are saying, don't know Ute football.That being said, yes, we
are a few critical injuries away from some serious trouble. I think our schemes
on both sides of the ball will be solid. Our starters will be ready for the
level of competition they will face. However, if our starting QB goes down or
our running game doesn't materialize our offense will be in trouble. It helps
that Robles and Shreeve have gotten good minutes this spring, but Robles isn't
the caliber Wynn is and Shreeve is rusty after not having played for more than a
year. I'm not sure BYU is in any better position at QB. On defense, I think we
have good depth, except in the back field. No panicking from me, just cautious
tdlawton don't you think it is kind of funny that you are saying how much more
realistic the Ute fans are than BYU right after chris B is writing how the Utes
have a very good chance at going to the Rose Bowl. I really don't
think that BYU fans expected anything last year. They lost their starting
Quarterback, All their tight ends and their running back. I fully expected them
to lose to TCU, Florida State, and at least 2 other teams. WillaryYes Utah will make more money in the PAC12. Exposure and
path to the BCS games will require winning. Utah has no better chance at going
to the BCS game now than they did in the MWC.
"BYU's "national relevance" ends once you step out of any LDS
wardhouse across the country. Those are members, not fans."Willary, Spot on. There is no such thing as a non- mormon BYU
Willary,The contract has not been signed yet and we don't know what the
fine print says. I am anxious to see the Utes as an equal partner but every
school in the PAC is looking out for their best interest. Experts at ESPN,
Sporting news etc. said that Utah and Colorado bring one thing to the PAC and
that is the capability of playing a conference championship game. They bring
zero "increased" revenue earning capabilities to the PAC. USC and UCLA
are half the revenue themselves and can / may command a larger share. Washington
and Arizona are the next in line but will likely be content with equal sharing.
On top of that there is still the possibility of USC signing an
"independent" contract which could take away much of the PAC revenue.
Texas is looking at the same thing and Notre Dame already has it and BYU has
something similar. 2014 is 4 years away. Where money is concerned, nothing is
for sure. Nevertheless, good luck to Utah just the same, things do look very
good for them at this time, money wise.
Hedge and willaryYou are both wrong. I know of 5 BYU fans who are
Legacy donors that are not LDS. I also have several friends who are not LDS who
are BYU fans. Majority-yes. No such thing-you might want to get your heads out
of the sand.
@wedgie And there are millions of those Mormons.On the
otherhand there is no such thing as a true ute fan at all and 99% of the fair
weather ones live in the salt lake valley. ute "fans" are a weird
conglomeration of Mormon/BYU haters and bitter Mormons that couldn't get into
BYU. It is a tenuous fanbase at best.
TJ, you really need to catch up with the Pac-12 information.1)Part
of the contract Utah signed to join the Pac-12 clearly laid out the phasing of
revenue sharing. It will be full in a few years, no matter the TV contract
signed.2)Part of the expansion dealt with USC/UCLA possibly getting
a larger share. If the total TV contract did not produce $180M a year, I
believe that's the figure, they would be due an extra $2M per year each. That
threshhold will easily be met, thus no extra for either school.3)As
he's shown by securing the largest conference TV contract in history, Larry
Scott is a wise businessman. For him to invite Utah/Colorado, it clearly adds
revenue to the conference as a whole. Don't let the mess with Craig Thompson
let you think all commissioners don't know what they're doing.
I agree with some of the posts on here, as the overall game of both Shreve and
Robles are a bit lacking...right now. Nonetheless, this is why games are played
to see who is legit and who isn't. I will take a healthy Utes team over any
other squad in the Pac12 South and if scheduling is in their favor than so be
it. If Oregon and Stanford are as good as projected than Utah will see at least
one of them in the championship game. From there anything can happen,
especially if said championship game is up on the hill in December! If injuries hit the Utes' starters than yes, it could be a long year.
However, even under that worse-case scenario, inexperienced players would be
getting playing time. Asa result the Utes would be a very deep team the
following year. However it plays out it's still a good time to be a
Utes fan. As one who's waited for a long time, for my university to get a
chance to prove itself I couldn't be more thrilled. Whit knows what he's doing
and winning this conference won't take long.
Both Utah and BYU wanted out of the MWC and wanted more exposure. The PAC never
was interested in BYU because it wouldn't jell with with some of their more
liberal institutions like Cal and others so they chose Utah who is a state
school. The only option for BYU was independence and those of you who read
Vai's take find out that there is a strong following of BYU outside of Utah.
ESPN also came on board with BYU because they know BYU will draw exposure. Utah
doesn't have the exposure to survive with out a conference backing and B.Y.U.
does. Utah is happy in the PAC and BYU is happy with independence so both won
and nobody lost.
Ahhh another Utah football article filled with byu fans spouting off about how
good they will be. Something I have been able to count on every year no matter
what - byu is consistantly awarded the preseason national championship by
themselves. This year we will be able to count on them awarding themselves
player of the week honors as well!! I enjoy the claims of how your team is
"nationally relevent" - yep they are, too bad it's not for what your
football team accomplishes on the field. So good luck with all of that.As for the Utes, they are in the conference of champions and that is a
great thing. I don't have unrealistic expectations for this season, but bottom
line Utah is going to continue to get better and better every year. In a few
years when we are getting our full share of all of that PAC12 money - our
facilities will high level just like our team.As for the
"luck" of being invited, I think it has more to do with what we have
accomplished on the football field rather than that members of a certain
organization that watch our games.Go Utes!!!
Both teams have dumped the spread in favor of a "west coast" type
offensive attack, and that's a great move by both schools, since neither one has
a spread QB. Edge to Utah, because Chow is one of the best in the country with
that offensive approach. Y fans are right that Wynn is a question mark, but
truth is Heaps has yet to prove his bona fides.The article talks
about the Utes' need to acquire depth with high quality athletes to compete in
PAC 12. That's pretty funny. This spring I watched Robert Anae from Arizona
steal a high school sophomore right out from under Utah. The kid wasn't going
to BYU, his interest was Utah, but at least BYU had identified him early on and
was doing all the right things. When the Ute recruiting coordinator finally saw
the kid, he turned to another coach and asked "Do we have film on this
kid?" That says it all. Anae got the kid before Utah even bothered
Can someone explain to me how Utah is going to compete for the PAC 10.2
championship their very first year when they only won the title once in six
tries in the lowly MWC? Whit could not get it done in the MWC. How is he going
to get it done in the PAC 10.2?
I have never been able to figure out why BYU fans (sammyg, TJ, and others)are so
concerned with Utah's football program? Are they really that insecure about
their own team? Why else would it bother you so much?
Think of how dominant the Utes could have been the past 20 years if they just
had 'raised the bar'.
"when they only won the title once in six tries in the lowly MWC"Now class above is a classic example of troll nation spin. If I
conviently leave off the two years prior to 2005-06 which Utah was the champion
I can make my silly point look far more forbidding to the uneducated
observer.Oh my only one championship out of the last 6, how much
more devastating that is then 3 championships out of the last 8. Why not just
make up some facts its requires less typing...
@ DuckhunterI am a UTE fan! And guess what? I don't hate byU, and I
never wanted to go there. Utah was always #1 on my list of schools. You can't
get a PharmD at byU.You should take time to reflect on your
comments. Yep, you sound like the real hater. Sorry to tell you,
but there is life outside the bubble. And its great to be a UTE!
And by raising the bar, they mean turning into Washington State....
"And by raising the bar, they mean turning into Washington
State...."Yes that's certainly not as appealing as being part
of the Big1 + irrelevant 3....
It was a typo..."Razed the Bar" makes more sense.
Duckhunter,C'mon. I expect better from you. Unless your goal is to
be BYU's version of Hedgehog.By saying, "ute "fans"
are a weird conglomeration of Mormon/BYU haters and bitter Mormons that couldn't
get into BYU. It is a tenuous fanbase at best," you are painting with very
broad brush strokes.As for me, I'm a lifelong Mormon, returned
missionary, BYU graduate (academic scholarship), with an MD from Utah. I still
attend church weekly. You might want to sit down for this - MANY of
my medical school classmates had similar "Mormon credentials," but
they CHOSE to go to the U for their undergraduate education.I know,
Duckhunter, You're statement is a huge reason why byu fans are hated.
I've got news for you. You can be a good Mormon and be a Utah fan at the same
time. I have served a mission, returned home, and am still an active member and
I'm a Utah fan. I didn't even apply to BYU because I wanted to go to Utah. And
there are many many people like me. BYU fans continue to embarrass
the church with statements like that.
@ Silent Lurker"I have never been able to figure out why BYU
fans (sammyg, TJ, and others)are so concerned with Utah's football program? Are
they really that insecure about their own team? Why else would it bother you so
much?"Am I bothered? I've never quite understood what is so
'insecure' about commenting on a sports story. My bias is obviously towards BYU
but I'll be watching Ute games as well and probably more so now that the teams
are not in the same conference. I comment on what I feel Like commenting on.
It's my free speech rights.My opinion is that the Utes will not do
as well as the fan base thumps their collective chests about this year. Utah is
not in the upper eschelons of the PAC as what most fans believe. Starting this
fall we shall see what happens.Let's move on and talk about the
latest about BYU playing on Friday nights and how miserable that is for days.
OK?By the way welcome to ESPN. I'm sure we'll be seeing the Utes on
a Friday night soon!
Discarded original article title: "U. program finishes their sticker
chart, gets Big Boy pants"
Bottom line to bitter Duckhunter, TJ and all the rest of the ute haters:Utah - BCS team,$20 million a year, great home and away schedule every year,
conference auto bid, great bowl tie ins, much larger recruiting pool, fox and
espn distribution.BYU - Non BCS, horrible bowl tie ins, $5 - $7 million a
year (much improved from MTN), the exact same recruiting pool, horrible home
schedule. Espn and BYU tv distribution (much improved from the MTN).Granted, BYU is better off than other non BCS teams but are you seriously
saying you would pick it over what the Utes have? Delusional...
let me guess, raise the bar as in who gets drunk first, the fans or the
coaches...hmmm, got money on the players.
Judging from the ute losses to TCU, Notre Dame, Boise State, and a lucky win to
BYU, the D&O-line is in need of an overhall. It'll be a few years of raising
the bar to even reach the Vegas Bowl.
Re: CaptainWe are familiar with those who CHOOSE to go to utah that
have a hard time cutting the apron strings and moving out of the parents'
basement. It IS weird and unfortunately too common.
"We are familiar with those who CHOOSE to go to utah that have a hard time
cutting the apron strings and moving out of the parents' basement."Wow that's all you have left in the tank? Basement smack? Welcome to
Duckhunter,I'm having some trouble with your characterization of Ute
fans. As a lifelong member of the LDS Church and a 20 year plus Ute fan, are
you suggesting the two are not compatible? Well, that's why I chose the name I
have for the comment boards. You and others like you have questioned my
religious convictions for years. I think Elder Wirthlin would have a problem
with your statement.
Duckhunter,It's comments like that that makes BYU hated by so
many.I remember a certain passage of scripture from Jesus Christ
that invites everybody to pray for their enemies... pretty famous, look it
up.I'm stoked for the Utes' grand debut in the PAC, I think we will
do better than we think, we have more going for us than we realize. Especially
now that USC is out of the race, and since we don't play Stanford or Oregon, our
only major obstacle (not saying that other teams won't be hard) will be ASU.
Regardless, it will be exciting!GO UTES!!
@captain sweatpants, kh, mormon ute, gonefshn, etc.I'm sure you all
spent alot of time in the huntsman center this last season? My guess is you will
all be in rice eccles at the start of the season but not spending so much time
there towards the end. That is standard ute "fan" behavior.Sounds fair weather and tenuous to me.
Sorry, Ibleedcrimson, but Oscar Meyer is no longer around so Whit has to stand
on his own record. And his record says that he has only been able to win the
lowly MWC one time in six tries. That is no spin. And if he could only win the
lowly MWC once in six tries, and only managed a second place finish once in the
other five tries, and all other years he was third or worse, then how do you
expect him to compete in the mighty PAC 10.2?Please tell me how you
see Rose Bowl's and National Championships in the Utes future in the PAC when
they hardly even made a ripple in the small pond called the MWC.I
just do not see it.Ok, now it is your turn to spin.
I won't bother citing Duckhunter's posts... but I think it's safe to say that it
is standard "cougar" behavior.
duckhunterApparently you do not remember BYU BBall in the late 90's when
you litterally had hundreds in attendence? A little advice, do not worry
about the Utes attendence in the Pac 12, You will have your own problems. Have
you seen your home schedule? With only one loss, all you will have left is the
bottom half of the wac on your way to the bell helicopter bowl. Horrible.......
The Y in BYU should stand for hYpocrisY.You haters love to accuse U
fans of pumping up our team, chest thumping and boasting about how good we claim
our team will be. that is the trademark of BYU fans every year without fail, no
matter the.circumstances. stop drinking the kool aid and let's try to sound
reasonable. Independence is better than the mwc and yes, BYU did win
with that move over staying put, but don't kid yourself or try to make everyone
believe that you'd take that over a move to a BCS conference. If the
Big whatever came calling tmorrow, you would all drop independence like a sack
of ...!That bit of truth makes all of your continuing attacks on the
U total hypocrisy. You know it. We know it.
Sorry Tomahawk Red, I am one cougar fan that absolutely, positively, do not want
BYU to join a conference. ANY conference. I would rather they be independent
than in the PAC 10.2 or the Big 12 or any other conference. I live in Atlanta
and because of independence I get to see them play against Ole Miss this year
and Georgia Tech next year. I have heard rumors that BYU is trying to schedule a
game at Florida. And they already have one against West Virginia.You
see, I do not care about how much money BYU makes. None of it goes into my
pocket. As long as they have enough to keep the program running then they have
enough. The ONLY thing I care about is being able to watch them play, in person
preferably. So this move to independence is the best for me.
This is fun. LOL
"To compete at the highest levels, you've got to have a certain amount of
the highly recruited, high-profile athletes in the program."Utah has none of these, so what is Whit saying? They can't compete? Way to
fill everyone with hopes and dreams.
This feels like a good time to trot out my favorite quote from the last
month.From Tom Holmoe: "Whenever it was Pac-10 expansion, Utah
was always the school that they talked about," BYU AD Tom Holmoe said.
"It would always frustrate the BYU fans."
AltaHawkFan,I graduated from BYU (came from out of state, bye the
way). Trust me, attending BYU was more like "living in my parent's
basement" than actually living in my parent's basement could ever be!
Utah's new philosophy makes me a little nervous. As the saying goes, 'Don't
throw the baby out with the bath water." I feel Utah is one of the top
three programs in the west as it is. (Oregon and USC are the other two). Look at
your track record over the past 7 years.I agree they need to develop a
deeper bench with blue chippers, adding a new fancy building. But don't forget
your one of the best now in the WEST. How many kids go to the NFL from your
program? The adoption of missionaries, bringing in polynesians has been a main
stay of you program now for years.I would only caution you on one thing.
Don't compromise talent for integrity. Those programs that now flood their
programs with 'outlaws' do increase their talent pool but also have to deal with
the instability they bring to the TEAM. Time baby sitting, fixing other kids who
follow them.You're doing just fine, maybe a little tweeking is helpful.
To all:I did not go to the Y or the U, USU was the best for me. Size,
ability to meet one on one with professors and a little more relaxed living
atmosphere. I don't hate either the U or Y, I wish all of the utah schools
success, for us as residents. I also don't aquaint any of the schools as being
LDS or non LDS. There are good members at all of them as well as so many other
schools through the country. Why bring the religion of one verses another into
the conversation about sports.Lavell Edwards was asked about the
pass from McMahon to Brown, whether God was involved in the influence or outcome
of the game. His answer was simple, "He hoped that God had more important
things to do than watching and being involved in a football game."
Something for all of us to think about.As to who is better, we all
have our opoinion, personally, I would hope my aggies were in the mix, but no
one seems to mention them in the power structure. Oh well, I still love them and
my experienced in Logan.
Duckhunter,You words are just hollow reflections of the jealousy you
feel toward the team the led the MWC in attendance last football season and will
have one of the highest attendance percentages in the the PAC-12 as well. So
sad to see you sink to this level.
@mormon uteAre you claiming utah lead the mwc in attendence? That is
easily proven to be false so you may want to revise that before I embarrass you
with facts.As to the rest of it I feel no jealousy towards utah, or
even dislike toward the school. I certianly feel disdain for a large precentage
of utahs fans as they are classless low lifes. I generally consider you one of
the 1% that is a decent person but if you were honest with yourself you would
admit that a huge percentage of utahs "fans" are simply not people you
would ever associate with, or want to be associated with, in your life. You
tolerate them because without them utah really only has about 20,000 actual fans
and they help give the program the illusion of an actual fanbase but the truth
is they are mostly motivated by hate for BYU and Mormons of which you are
one.I've documented on here before the bigoted remarks towards
Mormons I have heard and been subjected to at res but if you want to ignore it
then go ahead.
It's best not to try to reason with Duckhunter. He's a very sensitive little
fellow. He has been overly traumatized by the mean utah fans. It has really
had a sad affect on him. Just let him live comfortably in the blue bubble.
Here's what I don't get...Yes, now Utah is going to get a gazillion dollars for
their sports programs by being a member of the PAC-12....From what I can
tell...it hasn't helped Washington State, Washington, Arizona State, or the
other lower tier PAC 12 teams.....Money isn't everything and I think Utah is
going to find that out the hard way.
Justmy thoughts,I think what you meant to say was "money isn't
everything and I HOPE Utah is going to find that out the hard way."
@magna ute fanDon't misinterpret my lack of respect for a large
percentage of utah "fans" as being over sensitive. The difference
between me and you is I am willing to be honest, brutally so. You know as well
as I do there is a fairly large percentage of utah "fans" that are
simply pathetic haters of Mormons and they bahave in an extremely low class
manner. You tolerate it because you want to see the stadium filled but if you
have any sort of self respect you would never associate with those people in
real life. I find it very interesting that the utah fans that are LDS are so
willing to gloss over the bigotry and despicable behavior of this segment of the
utah fanbase. I can tell you I would never tolerate it in a reverse situation.
Just another glaring difference between the two groups I suppose.