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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 3, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Hunt
    twoartistic -- I am deeply concerned that my church leadership would thwart the rule of law.
    Mike Richards
    Alfred
    Considering
    Ok
    Trooper55

    I will remind you all again, The "brethern" have spoken.

    "The Church has spoken a number of times about the issue of immigration. Specifically, it has spoken in support of the Utah Compact and has described the package of bills passed by the Utah Legislature, taken together, as a responsible approach to the difficult question of immigration reform."

    I'm beginning to question your LDS membership.
    Just as you have questioned mine.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    May 2, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    I don't believe that this bill is worth the paper it's written on. Anybody or any churches that support this bill is stating that it's alright to break the law. I am one person who believes that they need to be deported and come back the legally way, don't reward them for breaking our laws,but make them pay the price just the way we do if we break the laws, and as far as that matter if it breaks families up they knew the chance they were taking when they married someone who was here illegal.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    April 30, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    Utah's one party solutions are not what this nation needs. This state is a laughingstock nationally. Dont try to tell the rest of the nation what to do. Just keep your bigotry to yourselves.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    The Utah Compact states "Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S. government and other countries not Utah and other countries."

    The 4 bills reject that. HB116? Not the answer.

    HB 469 throws out over 100 years of US case law about immigration, creates a way for Utahns to sponsor people from around the world, providing the immigrants are not in the US illegally.

    It claims that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution that grants the Federal Government power over Immigration and prior to the Case Law noted above, the States had that Power.

    It tells the Federal Government to protect our borders, create rules for granting citizenship, but as the State of Utah, we can take care of immigration, thank you very much.

    The sponsoring principle of HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more like co-signing a friend's car loan. It is the truly unique piece of the puzzle. With it, you don't need HB 116. Someone here illegally could find a sponsor, go home and come back with permission.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 29, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    If they are here illegally, send them home. It just isn't that hard. Send them home, pronto.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    April 29, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    The hypocrisy of this editorial is rank.

    Anytime someone talks enforcement, the pro-amnesty crowd including among the DesNews editorial staff wrings their hands about this being a "federal issue".

    But when someone proposes amnesty, suddenly the same editors are fine with the States making things up for themselves?

    This is even more stark because efforts to enforce the law have not involved States violating federal law. Rather, such efforts have simply involved getting State and local police involved in identifying and when appropriate, detaining illegal aliens to turn over to federal officers just as federal law allows. Amnesty efforts such as 116, however, are a direct violation of federal law.

    Rather than continue to look silly and to make up contorted "logic" to support their view, the DesNews editorial board would be better off to just be honest. Openly advocate for open borders, amnesty, and giving away the nation. A lot of people will disagree. Some will agree. But at least you'll be honest.

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    April 29, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    @utesovertide: "How does giving someone the right to work here, pay taxes to all locales, create jobs, take risks, and add to the community, all without the right to vote, remain once the right is expired, or benefit from social security, equal Amnesty...?"

    Amnesty is being allowed to stay in this country. Most illegals don't want citizenship. They just want jobs. We ain't got no jobs for them. As has been stated many times on many threads, we have 15 million unemployed Americans who need work. We don't need any workers now. And when we do, we'll invite them to come legally... and go home when visas expire.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 29, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    There is a great and insurmountable problem with the Utah Compact. That problem is one of trust. The Federal Government has shown that it cannot be trusted to secure our borders, nor have they made any effort to rectify the problem of illegal immigration.

    What do you do when a government abdicates its responsibility. Do you close your eyes and pretend that you have no responsibility as a State to protect your own borders and to require all who enter, enter lawfully?

    Utah, by itself, cannot solve the problem, nor can it pretend that the Federal Government has any interest in fulfilling its duty to protect our borders. That leaves us with a problem. As a State, we can look the other way and say that it is not our problem. We can enforce the law when violations become known. We can actively pursue any suspected violators of the law. Prudence would dictate that we choose the second option, that we enforce the law when violations become known. Humanity towards others requires us to treat with dignity those people, including families, who have placed themselves outside the law.

    A civilized society cannot exist without obedience to law.

  • cowshed Provo, Utah
    April 29, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    To those who are concerned about the LDS Church supposedly supporting lawbreaking: I do not see the LDS Church's nor the Catholic Church's nor any other Church's support of the Utah Compact as being in support of breaking the law. The Utah Compact is intended to provide a model for modifying national law from a law that doesn't work to make it a law that does work. I would be very disappointed if any Christian Church did not come down on the side of compassion.

    Laws are changed every day as an attempt improve things. Even the United States constitution, which many believe was inspired by God, provides a way for itself to be modified. That same constitution established a legislature to make and modify laws as necessary.

    I applaud the efforts of our Utah Legislature and governor in framing HB 116, and would be terribly disappointed if the Republican Party delegates vote to advocate its repeal or to take punitive action of any kind toward those thoughtful and courageous legislators who voted for it.

  • cowshed Provo, Utah
    April 29, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Some have said, rightly, that a large part of the immigration problem is due to people thwarting the rules. It is obvious, due to the size of the illegal population, that the current rules are not working. Every year in this country laws are changed to try to redress problems with current laws. Even in sports there are annual changes in rules to try to improve the way the game is played.

    I believe the Utah Compact advocates a change in our national laws to really address the immigration problem in a rational way, rather than to just continue to sweep it under the rug as the federal government has been doing for years. HB 116 is an attempt change the rules in a way that is reasonable and compassionate. It allows people who have been living in the shadows to come forward, pay reasonable penalties, and be able to live, work and pay taxes here legally without granting them citizenship. Breaking up families or sending teenagers who were brought here as young children is, to me, somewhat akin to assessing the death penalty for doing 75 miles per hour in a 55 mph zone.

  • twoartistic Draper, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    I am deeply concerned that my church leadership would thwart the rule of law. Are we not taught to live by the law? So now, we not only have a political ruling elite that for the most part feels no need to reference the constitutionality of regulation they put forward, we also have the LDS church urging law makers to disregard the law of the land.

    I wan't freedom and prosperity for all mankind. The only way that happens is that good, decent, honest citizenry take a stand against corruption, and promote freedom. I often hear the argument that illegals are just hard working folks that just want a better life, so we should let them in. Think about this, if we create a way for them to thwart the rules, we are lowering the standards of our society thus encouraging the slide towards greater corruption. The very thing that is keeping most of the world from enjoying the opportunities that we once enjoyed here. Are we going to continue to dilute the Constitution for a short term poor solution, or are we going to gird our loins for the harder, but ultimately more compassionate solutions for all.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    @LDS

    So in other words you refuse to address one point that I made. Why is that?

    I am not arguing that they are not hard working or that they are trying to establish a family here.

    However, they are NOT honest in there dealings by the very fact that they are here illegally. No way around that one as it is impossible for them to obtain work without contributing to the felonious acts of their employer or by committing document fraud themselves (and in many cases identity theft).
    Lets not forget the fact that by supporting HB116 you are inadvertently supporting institutional racism.
    Care to address, or are you going to feed me some more feel good lines that fail to recognize the significant negative issues of illegal immigration?

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:08 p.m.

    @MormonDem

    The studies you use to make your claims that immigrants actually benefit our economy and add more to the tax base than they take do not differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. How convenient of them to hide the truth by padding the stats.

    As for your claim about making laws to adhere to. I suppose I should choose a law I don't like and start breaking it in the hope that at some point in time a law will be passed that will legalize my illegal actions. The argument is absurd.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    to Hunt | 3:41 p.m.
    My friend, I know several families who are here without documentation. They are hard working, honest in their dealings and trying hard to establish their families here. Just like you and me.

    The churches (LDS and Catholic) want to provide a way for these good people to stay permanently. I believe we need to support that effort.

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    @Game For Any Fuss:

    "the state isn't giving away jobs to anyone. The free market is."

    You have ignored one important concept.

    40 years ago, the jobs you are talking about would have been filled by 16-18 year old youth from our state. But the government, by passing "child labor" laws, and laws requiring that employers provide benefits in certain situations, has made it so that 16-18 year olds can no longer be employed under similar conditions as 40 years ago. The only way to fill these jobs now is to go underground and employ people outside the law. (My teenage children can no longer find reasonable summer employment because of these laws.)

    The "free market" is not causing this shift to the underground, it is our own government and the side-effects of well-intentioned but ill-conceived laws.

    Don't say that the "free market" is doing this. Be honest and say that the "black market" is doing this. (No, this is not a racial slur, but a common term used to indicate illegal activity.)

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    @LDS

    Where is your love for your neighbor who is currently spending tens of thousands of dollars to bring their loved ones here legally only to find out that there are those trying to halt there efforts by rewarding illegal line cutters? This in contrast to your neighbor who has violated our sovereignty, committed felonies to obtain work, raided our welfare system at the expense tax payers and stolen our children's identity (50,000+ in Utah).
    Call me crazy but I've been raised to believe that we reward good behavior while doing all we can to discourage bad.
    Do you believe this too or are you in favor of a bill that seeks to enact institutional racism by rewarding one race and nationality over all others?

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    April 29, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    cowshed said: "everyone is our neighbor..... Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor."

    I agree that Christ said we must love everyone. Yes, it's easier said than done. But he never said that we have to put up with people who break our laws so they can get freebies out of our wallets. By your logic we should not punish anyone regardless of what they do. So you really think we should just open up our prisons and let everyone go free? After all, nobody is perfect, and we surely wouldn't want to "cast the first stone". Oh, and you're ok with someone who comes into your house and steals your food and everything in your medicine cabinet, sells your kids drugs, or squats in your house for free? After all they are just "hard working people trying to better their lives" - right?

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    to sjgf | 3:24 p.m:
    I don't think you're making an honest argument. Almost all "illegal immigrants" do in fact assimilate into our society. Their kids are in school. They work hard. They pay sales taxes as well as indirect taxes thru renting.

    Again , I ask: Why would we want others cast out?

    The laws must be changed, as encouraged by the Church. In the mean time we need to love our immigrant neighbors and friends and show it by accommodating them. We can help them as they strive to be contributing members of our communities.

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    @dave4197:

    "We MUST open our hearts and borders to these good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our forefathers."

    I think that many people who oppose HB 116 agree with you. What they don't agree with is doing it when it is against the law. Federal law already allows for guest workers who apply for passports and visas. However HB116 states that those who circumvent the laws and do not properly apply for the visas, will be welcomed in Utah. HB116 specifically states that in order to receive the benefits of Utah, you have to be breaking Federal law.

    I'm sorry, but this is unacceptable. If the Federal government wants to let more people immigrate, they need to relax the laws. My issue isn't the number of people immigrating. It is the number of people doing so illegally, living in the shadows, and not assimilating into our society.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    April 29, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    cowshed said "Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor."

    I believe you are right, unfortunately. Why would we want others cast out? It must be some insecurity that brings on that wish to hurt others.

    The laws must be changed, as encouraged by the Church. In the mean time we need to love our immigrant neighbors and friends and show it by accommodating them.

  • cowshed Provo, Utah
    April 29, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    When asked what was the greatest commandment in the law, Jesus Christ said, "The first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God..., and the second is like unto it, to love thy neighbor as thyself. Upon these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets." He then gave the parable of The Good Samaritan to demonstrate the principle that everyone is our neighbor.

    Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor.

    At another time, the Savior said, "Let he who is without sin among you first cast a stone." Then let those who have never broken a speed limit or other traffic law, whether or not you were caught, who have never taken a drink or a drug illegally, who have never shoplifted or even had an improper thought or desire, first cast a stone at hardworking people who have come her simply seeking a better life.

    While it may be possible to improve HB 116, I am very much in support of the direction proposed by the Utah compact, as embodied, however imperfectly, in HB 116.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    Amnesty grants citizenship. How does giving someone the right to work here, pay taxes to all locales, create jobs, take risks, and add to the community, all without the right to vote, remain once the right is expired, or benefit from social security, equal Amnesty or citizenship?

    If these people don't apply for a work permit, or perform illegal acts while residing here, they will be deported. If they want to become citizens, they will have to wait in line and pay a large fine.

    Someone before said anyone who supports HB116 hasn't ever been to Cali or Texas. Well, I've lived in both states, and there are a lot of people there working on work permits (documented persons) that are great neighbors. The problems those states have with undocumented persons could in part be solved by them adopting their own version of the Utah Compact. Instead, they have turned a blind right-wing or left-wing eye to the sanctuary cities who don't know anything about 2/3rds of the people who live in them.

    I am with the LDS Church on this one. HB116 is a step in the right direction.

  • Game For Any Fuss Draper, UT
    April 29, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    RichardB, the state isn't giving away jobs to anyone. The free market is.

    And digrafid, as for all your talk about the "Articles of Faith," when SB 116 is law, (which the Church expressly supports) those you decry will indeed by obeying the law.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    April 29, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    I've said this before and I will keep saying it. To support hb116 is to support institutional racism as it unfairly rewards one race of people (hispanics) over all other races and nationalities. Can anyone honestly say that it doesn't?

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    LDS Liberal:

    What are you talking about? Affiliating with a party trying to change what it sees as an immoral law s quite within the realm of being a good member of the church. The Church, to my knowledge, has not ever sanctioned anyone from having a different policy perspective than the Church, provided that the policy does not conflict with the doctrines of the Church.

    Using your logic, I suppose the Church should sanction any and all members who are socialist, Democrats, or communists, right? All those groups have as the basis on their platforms teachings and views clearly in conflict with the doctrines of the Church.

  • digrafid Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    The Twelveth Article of Faith states "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

    If someone is here in the country illegally, working here illegally, commiting identiy theft by using someone else's SSN, how can they obey, honor and sustain the law?

    I guess the 12th Article of Faith is only valid for when members of the LDS faith live in East Germany. If you are an illegal alien, then you can conveniently forget about it.

    Now that there are only 12 Articles of Faith, I wonder which of the others will be "conveniently" forgotten?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    No amnesty, not now, not ever, and not under any subterfuge name like "Utah solution!"

    Anyone who supports the so-called "Utah solution" needs to very specifically tell us which laws tax-paying U.S. citizens are free to ignore and disobey without any penalty.

    Enforce our existing laws, and if anything make our borders more secure, not a mythical line on the map.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    The state has no right to take jobs away from citizens and give them to foreign intruders. Talk about destroying families and LACK of compassion.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    I support the Missouri Solution...to me the Utah Solution is to fire Herbert, Shurtleff and the entire Senate!

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    I support HB116. With some improvement in reducing the potential for citizenship of children, political particpation, monitoring of ongoing economic success by the "undocumented" workers, could really be a good model for bi-lateral agreements with at least Canada and Mexico for an improvement in the nation's immigration laws. However, the article suggests that HB116 is the result of a long public discussion and is in a sense consensus legislation. This really is not the case. It is really the effort of the state's business, religious and social elites lobbied into law. And, is a demonstration of the fairly small number of individuals and groups that really control the state's policy and society. When they agree then laws are passed to make it happen. It will be interesting to see if the popular will enforcement removes the support for this law and urges its repeal.

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    To LDS Liberal and other "enforcement hawks,"

    It's not about simply enforcing the law. It's about carefully examining the law(s) to see if and how they should be changed to better serve the common good. Our legislative bodies regularly draft and amend scores of laws.

    We live in America, remember?

  • GaryW Hurricane, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    @Jonathan Eddy
    Interesting how you equate illegal aliens flooding the United States to the Kingdom of Heaven. There are laws and requirements to enter the United States and there are laws and requirements to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Do you think that God will tell someone who snuck into Heaven that they can stay if they did not follow the rules?
    Illegal aliens in general do not care about our laws or system. If they did they would apply for citizenship and do what is necessary to become a citizen with full rights and priveleges. They want full rights and priveleges without paying the price.

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    How can Utah County Republicans demand "less government" or a balanced budget on one hand, but increased immigration enforcement/border control on the other? Isn't migration simply a function of the free market?

    I know those who oppose SB 116 will deny it, but racism is clearly at the heart of the issue.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    stevep38now | 11:17 a.m. April 29, 2011
    Provo, UT
    Repeal 116 NOW!! Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the election!

    =============

    How nice it is you place you party and political philosophy & alligence ahead of your being a Good Latter-Day Saint.

    [Assuming you are LDS.]

    How does that ONE question go?....

    7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

    Time for some of our Brothers and Sisters to reflect and repent.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    @ RRB

    It's ironic that you would so brazenly stand behind your assertion that this issue revolves only around obeying the law with no respect toward the value of mercy. You want to keep "law breakers" out of Utah. How noble.

    I hope you feel the same about justice for law breakers when it comes to the borders surrounding the kingdom of Christ. I also hope you are in line with all of His laws or you may someday also find yourself to an illegal alien trying to jump over a huge wall with a host of citizens requesting your deportation.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    RRB | 10:56 a.m. April 29, 2011
    SLC, UT
    It's about breaking the law and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in other lands willing to come here legally.

    It's about passing laws that affect everyone in this state, and not letting the public voice their opinion or demand answers. I think the entire masquerade is dishonest.

    =============

    If it's truely about "Laws"....

    Enforce breaking our #1 cause of death & injury in this State by "Pharmacetical" drugs, and the real Word of Wisdom "laws" that kill over 500 Utahns each and every year.

    Enforce "Speeding" which kills over 300 Utahns each and every year.

    Immigrants kill nobody.

    Enforce the laws that kill people first, deal with silly misdemeanor offenses later....

  • stevep38now Provo, UT
    April 29, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Repeal 116 NOW!! Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the election!

  • RRB SLC, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    It's about breaking the law and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in other lands willing to come here legally.

    It's about passing laws that affect everyone in this state, and not letting the public voice their opinion or demand answers. I think the entire masquerade is dishonest.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    to dave4197 | 10:38 a.m.

    You wrote:
    "I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to change the present bad law by legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law."

    I applaud your comment. We MUST open our hearts and borders to these good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our forefathers.

    The Church is absolutely right in their position.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    It's not about jobs--study after study has shown that immigrants have actually contributed to Utah's economy.

    It's not about taxes and public services--immigrants contribute more than they draw from the system, and pay taxes for many services they will never benefit from (services that rightwingers want to get rid of anyway for everybody, not just immigrants!).

    It's not about adherence to the law--we're talking about making the laws to adhere to, no matter how many times rightwingers rattle off the 12th article of faith.

    Nope. It's about hate. Plain and simple. Our country's going through a rough patch and we need somebody to blame it on. Anti-immigrant sentiment has ALWAYS increased during times of economic difficulty. This is nothing new.

    I'm proud that my Church is taking the right position on it, and I congratulate the DN for doing the same.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    April 29, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to move us towards good neighborly behavior. That is to change the present bad law by legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law.
    For you hermits, for you rule of law ranters, for you selfish minded elitists who stand against this "utah compact", I stand against you and for human rights. Get out of my way, you sad excuses of pompousness.

  • Dave D Pocatello, ID
    April 29, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    I think it's hilarious that people are calling the Deseret News part of the left wing media. A mouthpiece of the views of the Church? Perhaps. But definitely not even close to left wing.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 29, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    I'm with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on this one. Why? Two reasons. First, history shows a fabulous record in the last 100 years related to church policies, opinions and operations. All other private and governmental organizations and a large portion of citizens of Utah have less than stellar results from their opinions and decision making. Just look at the voting record of Utah and the results that have come about from voters electing Orrin Hatch and William Bennett. What makes more sense? Following the lead of Utah voters or LDS Church hierarchy? It's a no brainer.

    Secondly, Utah could become the richest state on the planet with just one simple decision and would immediately justify the need for recruiting out of country workers. If we open the oil reserves in Vernal, jobs would suddenly appear in the hundreds of thousands, foreign workers with work permits would be welcomed with open arms and Utah would be the economic model for the entire world. The LDS Church already knows better and the Utah state government is slowly coming around but it seems the citizens of Utah are still living in the dark ages.

  • Janell West Valley City, Ut
    April 29, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Legislators who want to keep their jobs should support the Arizona solution. The Utah Solution is amnesty in disguise and no amount of left wing editorials can change that fact. If it walks like a duck, squacks like a duck and swims like a duck, no amount of editorials can make it into the golden goose.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    April 29, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    I would like to see a full, multi-page article explaining why the Church is behind all facets of this bill.

    I do not understand the open door to anyone who ever spent time in Utah being welcomed back.

    I do not understand giving non-taxpaying workers preferential treatment for admissions, subsidized, at state funded colleges or universities.

    I do not understand giving citizenship to babies born within our borders, thereby granting the parents automatic life-long residency, and access to the supposed societal safety nets, i.e., entitlement programs.

    I do not understand why East Germans and others behind the Iron Curtain were encouraged to remain, to grow where they were planted, and to build up the Church in their home countries, and to change deprived societies and freedoms through lawful means. I would sincerely doubt many Mexicans, or people from Central or South America lived as desolate lives as did those of a generation or more past, but there is now some new standard?

    No litany of necdotes about poor Maria Consuelo and her lifelong dreams .... we want to hear the facts and the reasons behind the support of this bill.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    April 29, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Of course the deseret news supports HB116, because they are part of the liberal media and they support amnesty for illegal ailens. It's that simple. They can try and propagandize this with a thousand sob stories about "breaking up families" or being "compassionate", but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans (legal Americans, which include Utahns) support the enforcement of the law.

    It doesn't mean that we're not compassionate, or that we're "racists" or "xenophobes". It means that we do NOT favor rewarding illegal behavior, which only leads to more illegal behavior.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    April 29, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Support your fellow citizens. With 9.2% unemployment, a guest worker program is not needed. It will either put citizens out of work, delaying our economic recovery, or end up with thousands of guest workers without jobs.

    It's a poorly thought out solution that was forced on Utah, without input or a chance for public debate. It reflects poorly on the Republicans in this state.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 29, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    This is NOT about the 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah.
    This is about the 165 million people around the world who would like to live in the United States, according to Gallup, November 2, 2009 - "700 Million Worldwide Desire to Migrate Permanently".
    If we do not learn to deter and deport, we will face a wave of illegal aliens that will dwarf the aftermath of the 1986 amnesty.
    Acquiescence will not hold back the tide.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    Yes, Utah County Republicans SHOULD vote to repeal HB116!

    Or, be prepared to explain to 100k unemployed Utahns why jobs for illegal trespassers are more important than jobs for actual Utah taxpaying citizens.

    WHY do we as citizens, have to BEG our legislators to vote FOR Utah citizens rather than for illegal invaders?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 29, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    I have heard endlessly from my conservative friends about how their approach to immigration reform is the only one consistent with LDS Church teachings. I have been told repeatedly that Church leaders really support their point of view "but just can't say so publicly." Now when Church leaders do support what is probably the most enlightened approach to immigration in the country they go to pieces. I haven't see this much unreasoning anger since Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Those who support the Utah Solution and HB 116 probably have not spent time in southern Arizona, or Texas, or California. Those supporters really need to have their eyes opened. Come to Phoenix and watch the legal and illegal immigrants make their demands on the steps of our capital. Listen to their verbage as they disrespect this country. It just goes on and on and on.

    And, having worked in an area with a high population of illegals, I have heard them talk of leaving Arizona and heading to Utah. Our loss is NOT your gain.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    If we all play nice maybe they will let us keep our illegal bill.

    It is hard to comprehend how the legislature would welcome the people who are here illgally yet vote to cut people off extended unemployment who were working here legally. Welcome to Utah but we don't really care for our own.

    The elected officials now just don't want this overturned as they will be forced to say much of their work was shortsigted and illgal. Well it was.

    This bill has been deemed unenforceable, illegal and non conforming so why would anyone support it?

    Perhaps Utah came up with an illegal bill to make the illegals feel more at home.

    Those elected are in office to make the hard call, seems like the electors may have made some mistakes during the election.

  • SunDevil9 orem, ut
    April 29, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Support the "Arizona Solution".

  • Craig Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Your editorial can not me more wrong. Let those that want to come here do it legally. We should not give preference for one country just because it is easy to slip across the border. Their are millions of people throughout the world who want to come here and work legally.

  • SunDevil9 orem, ut
    April 29, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Do NOT support the "Utah Solution". People who lack the integrity to immigrate legally should not be rewarded. Those who hold honesty and respect for law as values cannot logically support this veiled amnesty for illegal immigrants. Please understand the long term effects of this law: Utah's illegal population will swell and with it will come the associated costs, including dramatic increases in social services and education, crime and violence.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    April 29, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    I would be happy to donate $500 to any group or organization that takes Utah to court, to get these bills overturned. With 9% unemployment and existing Federal visa programs, it is foolish for Utah to try and pass some bills that won't pass the Constitutional muster. It is equally foolish to allow people to bring foreigners into the country with nothing more than a little promise that the foreigners will not disappear or become wards of the State. One can only hope that Utah County will join in getting rid of these pro-business, anti-worker bills.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    April 29, 2011 6:20 a.m.

    Some of the most absurd policies in the history of our society have enjoyed broad support from many factions. Being popular doesn't make something either rational, workable, or advisable. Amnesty is a recipe for disaster, and HB116 is a recipe for amnesty. We need some people who are willing to take a stand for the U. S. taxpayer and American citizen workers and families while there's still an open window of opportunity.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    In my opinion, A low-paid, non-citizen subclass for Utah businessmen who don't want to pay their fellow Americans a fair wage is all this is about, that and maintaining church membership numbers.

    Enforcement has never been tried. We're given the excuse: "But there's no way to round up and deport the illegals currently here; therefore, we must legalize them."

    But if this truly were the reason, why then does guest worker bill HB116, line 778, welcome illegals who have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their lives prior to May 10th, who are NOT currently here, to RETURN to Utah?

    How is THIS explained, I ask?

    The answer, of course, is that 116 isn't merely about "pragmatism" and "compassion," and about what to do about illegals currently in the state. Clearly, the purveyors of the Utah Compact and the HB 116 guest worker bill are up to something far more than this.

    "Full package," you say? Shurtleff already has essentially admitted that the watered-down enforcement component of 116 was merely a ruse designed to placate those who want enforcement, that it will make no difference practically speaking.