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Published: Friday, April 29 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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RRB
SLC, UT

It's about breaking the law and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in other lands willing to come here legally.

It's about passing laws that affect everyone in this state, and not letting the public voice their opinion or demand answers. I think the entire masquerade is dishonest.

stevep38now
Provo, UT

Repeal 116 NOW!! Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the election!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RRB | 10:56 a.m. April 29, 2011
SLC, UT
It's about breaking the law and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in other lands willing to come here legally.

It's about passing laws that affect everyone in this state, and not letting the public voice their opinion or demand answers. I think the entire masquerade is dishonest.

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If it's truely about "Laws"....

Enforce breaking our #1 cause of death & injury in this State by "Pharmacetical" drugs, and the real Word of Wisdom "laws" that kill over 500 Utahns each and every year.

Enforce "Speeding" which kills over 300 Utahns each and every year.

Immigrants kill nobody.

Enforce the laws that kill people first, deal with silly misdemeanor offenses later....

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

@ RRB

It's ironic that you would so brazenly stand behind your assertion that this issue revolves only around obeying the law with no respect toward the value of mercy. You want to keep "law breakers" out of Utah. How noble.

I hope you feel the same about justice for law breakers when it comes to the borders surrounding the kingdom of Christ. I also hope you are in line with all of His laws or you may someday also find yourself to an illegal alien trying to jump over a huge wall with a host of citizens requesting your deportation.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

stevep38now | 11:17 a.m. April 29, 2011
Provo, UT
Repeal 116 NOW!! Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the election!

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How nice it is you place you party and political philosophy & alligence ahead of your being a Good Latter-Day Saint.

[Assuming you are LDS.]

How does that ONE question go?....

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Time for some of our Brothers and Sisters to reflect and repent.

Lux et Veritas
Draper, UT

How can Utah County Republicans demand "less government" or a balanced budget on one hand, but increased immigration enforcement/border control on the other? Isn't migration simply a function of the free market?

I know those who oppose SB 116 will deny it, but racism is clearly at the heart of the issue.

GaryW
Hurricane, UT

@Jonathan Eddy
Interesting how you equate illegal aliens flooding the United States to the Kingdom of Heaven. There are laws and requirements to enter the United States and there are laws and requirements to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Do you think that God will tell someone who snuck into Heaven that they can stay if they did not follow the rules?
Illegal aliens in general do not care about our laws or system. If they did they would apply for citizenship and do what is necessary to become a citizen with full rights and priveleges. They want full rights and priveleges without paying the price.

Lux et Veritas
Draper, UT

To LDS Liberal and other "enforcement hawks,"

It's not about simply enforcing the law. It's about carefully examining the law(s) to see if and how they should be changed to better serve the common good. Our legislative bodies regularly draft and amend scores of laws.

We live in America, remember?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

I support HB116. With some improvement in reducing the potential for citizenship of children, political particpation, monitoring of ongoing economic success by the "undocumented" workers, could really be a good model for bi-lateral agreements with at least Canada and Mexico for an improvement in the nation's immigration laws. However, the article suggests that HB116 is the result of a long public discussion and is in a sense consensus legislation. This really is not the case. It is really the effort of the state's business, religious and social elites lobbied into law. And, is a demonstration of the fairly small number of individuals and groups that really control the state's policy and society. When they agree then laws are passed to make it happen. It will be interesting to see if the popular will enforcement removes the support for this law and urges its repeal.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

I support the Missouri Solution...to me the Utah Solution is to fire Herbert, Shurtleff and the entire Senate!

RichardB
Murray, UT

The state has no right to take jobs away from citizens and give them to foreign intruders. Talk about destroying families and LACK of compassion.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

No amnesty, not now, not ever, and not under any subterfuge name like "Utah solution!"

Anyone who supports the so-called "Utah solution" needs to very specifically tell us which laws tax-paying U.S. citizens are free to ignore and disobey without any penalty.

Enforce our existing laws, and if anything make our borders more secure, not a mythical line on the map.

digrafid
Salt Lake City, UT

The Twelveth Article of Faith states "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

If someone is here in the country illegally, working here illegally, commiting identiy theft by using someone else's SSN, how can they obey, honor and sustain the law?

I guess the 12th Article of Faith is only valid for when members of the LDS faith live in East Germany. If you are an illegal alien, then you can conveniently forget about it.

Now that there are only 12 Articles of Faith, I wonder which of the others will be "conveniently" forgotten?

We the People
Sandy, UT

LDS Liberal:

What are you talking about? Affiliating with a party trying to change what it sees as an immoral law s quite within the realm of being a good member of the church. The Church, to my knowledge, has not ever sanctioned anyone from having a different policy perspective than the Church, provided that the policy does not conflict with the doctrines of the Church.

Using your logic, I suppose the Church should sanction any and all members who are socialist, Democrats, or communists, right? All those groups have as the basis on their platforms teachings and views clearly in conflict with the doctrines of the Church.

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

I've said this before and I will keep saying it. To support hb116 is to support institutional racism as it unfairly rewards one race of people (hispanics) over all other races and nationalities. Can anyone honestly say that it doesn't?

Game For Any Fuss
Draper, UT

RichardB, the state isn't giving away jobs to anyone. The free market is.

And digrafid, as for all your talk about the "Articles of Faith," when SB 116 is law, (which the Church expressly supports) those you decry will indeed by obeying the law.

utesovertide
Salt Lake City, UT

Amnesty grants citizenship. How does giving someone the right to work here, pay taxes to all locales, create jobs, take risks, and add to the community, all without the right to vote, remain once the right is expired, or benefit from social security, equal Amnesty or citizenship?

If these people don't apply for a work permit, or perform illegal acts while residing here, they will be deported. If they want to become citizens, they will have to wait in line and pay a large fine.

Someone before said anyone who supports HB116 hasn't ever been to Cali or Texas. Well, I've lived in both states, and there are a lot of people there working on work permits (documented persons) that are great neighbors. The problems those states have with undocumented persons could in part be solved by them adopting their own version of the Utah Compact. Instead, they have turned a blind right-wing or left-wing eye to the sanctuary cities who don't know anything about 2/3rds of the people who live in them.

I am with the LDS Church on this one. HB116 is a step in the right direction.

cowshed
Provo, Utah

When asked what was the greatest commandment in the law, Jesus Christ said, "The first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God..., and the second is like unto it, to love thy neighbor as thyself. Upon these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets." He then gave the parable of The Good Samaritan to demonstrate the principle that everyone is our neighbor.

Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor.

At another time, the Savior said, "Let he who is without sin among you first cast a stone." Then let those who have never broken a speed limit or other traffic law, whether or not you were caught, who have never taken a drink or a drug illegally, who have never shoplifted or even had an improper thought or desire, first cast a stone at hardworking people who have come her simply seeking a better life.

While it may be possible to improve HB 116, I am very much in support of the direction proposed by the Utah compact, as embodied, however imperfectly, in HB 116.

LDS
Cedar City, UT

cowshed said "Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor."

I believe you are right, unfortunately. Why would we want others cast out? It must be some insecurity that brings on that wish to hurt others.

The laws must be changed, as encouraged by the Church. In the mean time we need to love our immigrant neighbors and friends and show it by accommodating them.

sjgf
South Jordan, UT

@dave4197:

"We MUST open our hearts and borders to these good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our forefathers."

I think that many people who oppose HB 116 agree with you. What they don't agree with is doing it when it is against the law. Federal law already allows for guest workers who apply for passports and visas. However HB116 states that those who circumvent the laws and do not properly apply for the visas, will be welcomed in Utah. HB116 specifically states that in order to receive the benefits of Utah, you have to be breaking Federal law.

I'm sorry, but this is unacceptable. If the Federal government wants to let more people immigrate, they need to relax the laws. My issue isn't the number of people immigrating. It is the number of people doing so illegally, living in the shadows, and not assimilating into our society.

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