Published: Friday, April 29 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT
In my opinion, A low-paid, non-citizen subclass for Utah businessmen who don't
want to pay their fellow Americans a fair wage is all this is about, that and
maintaining church membership numbers. Enforcement has never been
tried. We're given the excuse: "But there's no way to round up and deport
the illegals currently here; therefore, we must legalize them." But if this truly were the reason, why then does guest worker bill HB116, line
778, welcome illegals who have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their
lives prior to May 10th, who are NOT currently here, to RETURN to Utah? How is THIS explained, I ask? The answer, of course, is
that 116 isn't merely about "pragmatism" and "compassion,"
and about what to do about illegals currently in the state. Clearly, the
purveyors of the Utah Compact and the HB 116 guest worker bill are up to
something far more than this. "Full package," you say?
Shurtleff already has essentially admitted that the watered-down enforcement
component of 116 was merely a ruse designed to placate those who want
enforcement, that it will make no difference practically speaking.
Some of the most absurd policies in the history of our society have enjoyed
broad support from many factions. Being popular doesn't make something either
rational, workable, or advisable. Amnesty is a recipe for disaster, and HB116
is a recipe for amnesty. We need some people who are willing to take a stand
for the U. S. taxpayer and American citizen workers and families while there's
still an open window of opportunity.
I would be happy to donate $500 to any group or organization that takes Utah to
court, to get these bills overturned. With 9% unemployment and existing Federal
visa programs, it is foolish for Utah to try and pass some bills that won't pass
the Constitutional muster. It is equally foolish to allow people to bring
foreigners into the country with nothing more than a little promise that the
foreigners will not disappear or become wards of the State. One can only hope
that Utah County will join in getting rid of these pro-business, anti-worker
Do NOT support the "Utah Solution". People who lack the integrity to
immigrate legally should not be rewarded. Those who hold honesty and respect
for law as values cannot logically support this veiled amnesty for illegal
immigrants. Please understand the long term effects of this law: Utah's illegal
population will swell and with it will come the associated costs, including
dramatic increases in social services and education, crime and violence.
Your editorial can not me more wrong. Let those that want to come here do it
legally. We should not give preference for one country just because it is easy
to slip across the border. Their are millions of people throughout the world who
want to come here and work legally.
Support the "Arizona Solution".
If we all play nice maybe they will let us keep our illegal bill.It
is hard to comprehend how the legislature would welcome the people who are here
illgally yet vote to cut people off extended unemployment who were working here
legally. Welcome to Utah but we don't really care for our own.The
elected officials now just don't want this overturned as they will be forced to
say much of their work was shortsigted and illgal. Well it was.This
bill has been deemed unenforceable, illegal and non conforming so why would
anyone support it? Perhaps Utah came up with an illegal bill to
make the illegals feel more at home.Those elected are in office to
make the hard call, seems like the electors may have made some mistakes during
Those who support the Utah Solution and HB 116 probably have not spent time in
southern Arizona, or Texas, or California. Those supporters really need to have
their eyes opened. Come to Phoenix and watch the legal and illegal immigrants
make their demands on the steps of our capital. Listen to their verbage as they
disrespect this country. It just goes on and on and on. And,
having worked in an area with a high population of illegals, I have heard them
talk of leaving Arizona and heading to Utah. Our loss is NOT your gain.
I have heard endlessly from my conservative friends about how their approach to
immigration reform is the only one consistent with LDS Church teachings. I have
been told repeatedly that Church leaders really support their point of view
"but just can't say so publicly." Now when Church leaders do support
what is probably the most enlightened approach to immigration in the country
they go to pieces. I haven't see this much unreasoning anger since Al Gore won
the Nobel Peace Prize.
Yes, Utah County Republicans SHOULD vote to repeal HB116!Or, be
prepared to explain to 100k unemployed Utahns why jobs for illegal trespassers
are more important than jobs for actual Utah taxpaying citizens.WHY
do we as citizens, have to BEG our legislators to vote FOR Utah citizens rather
than for illegal invaders?
This is NOT about the 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah.This
is about the 165 million people around the world who would like to live in the
United States, according to Gallup, November 2, 2009 - "700 Million
Worldwide Desire to Migrate Permanently".If we do not learn to deter
and deport, we will face a wave of illegal aliens that will dwarf the aftermath
of the 1986 amnesty.Acquiescence will not hold back the tide.
Support your fellow citizens. With 9.2% unemployment, a guest worker program is
not needed. It will either put citizens out of work, delaying our economic
recovery, or end up with thousands of guest workers without jobs. It's a poorly thought out solution that was forced on Utah, without input or a
chance for public debate. It reflects poorly on the Republicans in this state.
Of course the deseret news supports HB116, because they are part of the liberal
media and they support amnesty for illegal ailens. It's that simple. They can
try and propagandize this with a thousand sob stories about "breaking up
families" or being "compassionate", but the fact is that the
overwhelming majority of Americans (legal Americans, which include Utahns)
support the enforcement of the law. It doesn't mean that we're not
compassionate, or that we're "racists" or "xenophobes". It
means that we do NOT favor rewarding illegal behavior, which only leads to more
I would like to see a full, multi-page article explaining why the Church is
behind all facets of this bill.I do not understand the open door to
anyone who ever spent time in Utah being welcomed back.I do not
understand giving non-taxpaying workers preferential treatment for admissions,
subsidized, at state funded colleges or universities. I do not
understand giving citizenship to babies born within our borders, thereby
granting the parents automatic life-long residency, and access to the supposed
societal safety nets, i.e., entitlement programs.I do not understand
why East Germans and others behind the Iron Curtain were encouraged to remain,
to grow where they were planted, and to build up the Church in their home
countries, and to change deprived societies and freedoms through lawful means.
I would sincerely doubt many Mexicans, or people from Central or South America
lived as desolate lives as did those of a generation or more past, but there is
now some new standard?No litany of necdotes about poor Maria
Consuelo and her lifelong dreams .... we want to hear the facts and the reasons
behind the support of this bill.
Legislators who want to keep their jobs should support the Arizona solution.
The Utah Solution is amnesty in disguise and no amount of left wing editorials
can change that fact. If it walks like a duck, squacks like a duck and swims
like a duck, no amount of editorials can make it into the golden goose.
I'm with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on this one. Why? Two
reasons. First, history shows a fabulous record in the last 100 years related to
church policies, opinions and operations. All other private and governmental
organizations and a large portion of citizens of Utah have less than stellar
results from their opinions and decision making. Just look at the voting record
of Utah and the results that have come about from voters electing Orrin Hatch
and William Bennett. What makes more sense? Following the lead of Utah voters or
LDS Church hierarchy? It's a no brainer. Secondly, Utah could become
the richest state on the planet with just one simple decision and would
immediately justify the need for recruiting out of country workers. If we open
the oil reserves in Vernal, jobs would suddenly appear in the hundreds of
thousands, foreign workers with work permits would be welcomed with open arms
and Utah would be the economic model for the entire world. The LDS Church
already knows better and the Utah state government is slowly coming around but
it seems the citizens of Utah are still living in the dark ages.
I think it's hilarious that people are calling the Deseret News part of the left
wing media. A mouthpiece of the views of the Church? Perhaps. But definitely not
even close to left wing.
I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact"
are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across
of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less
fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as
we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law
to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not
just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to move us
towards good neighborly behavior. That is to change the present bad law by
legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law.For
you hermits, for you rule of law ranters, for you selfish minded elitists who
stand against this "utah compact", I stand against you and for human
rights. Get out of my way, you sad excuses of pompousness.
It's not about jobs--study after study has shown that immigrants have actually
contributed to Utah's economy.It's not about taxes and public
services--immigrants contribute more than they draw from the system, and pay
taxes for many services they will never benefit from (services that rightwingers
want to get rid of anyway for everybody, not just immigrants!).It's
not about adherence to the law--we're talking about making the laws to adhere
to, no matter how many times rightwingers rattle off the 12th article of
faith.Nope. It's about hate. Plain and simple. Our country's going
through a rough patch and we need somebody to blame it on. Anti-immigrant
sentiment has ALWAYS increased during times of economic difficulty. This is
nothing new.I'm proud that my Church is taking the right position on
it, and I congratulate the DN for doing the same.
to dave4197 | 10:38 a.m.You wrote:"I'm happy that the
church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same
side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border
(not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same
opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our
kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the
"Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's
value or the way it's always been. That is to change the present bad law by
legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law."I applaud your comment. We MUST open our hearts and borders to these
good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our
forefathers.The Church is absolutely right in their position.
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