Hunttwoartistic -- I am deeply concerned that my church leadership would
thwart the rule of law.Mike Richards AlfredConsideringOkTrooper55I will remind you all again, The
"brethern" have spoken."The Church has spoken a
number of times about the issue of immigration. Specifically, it has spoken in
support of the Utah Compact and has described the package of bills passed by the
Utah Legislature, taken together, as a responsible approach to the difficult
question of immigration reform."I'm beginning to question your
LDS membership.Just as you have questioned mine.
I don't believe that this bill is worth the paper it's written on. Anybody or
any churches that support this bill is stating that it's alright to break the
law. I am one person who believes that they need to be deported and come back
the legally way, don't reward them for breaking our laws,but make them pay the
price just the way we do if we break the laws, and as far as that matter if it
breaks families up they knew the chance they were taking when they married
someone who was here illegal.
Utah's one party solutions are not what this nation needs. This state is a
laughingstock nationally. Dont try to tell the rest of the nation what to do.
Just keep your bigotry to yourselves.
The Utah Compact states "Immigration is a federal policy issue between the
U.S. government and other countries not Utah and other countries." The 4 bills reject that. HB116? Not the answer.HB 469 throws
out over 100 years of US case law about immigration, creates a way for Utahns to
sponsor people from around the world, providing the immigrants are not in the US
illegally.It claims that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution
that grants the Federal Government power over Immigration and prior to the Case
Law noted above, the States had that Power.It tells the Federal
Government to protect our borders, create rules for granting citizenship, but as
the State of Utah, we can take care of immigration, thank you very much.The sponsoring principle of HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how
fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we
can handle, and is more like co-signing a friend's car loan. It is the truly
unique piece of the puzzle. With it, you don't need HB 116. Someone here
illegally could find a sponsor, go home and come back with permission.
If they are here illegally, send them home. It just isn't that hard. Send them
The hypocrisy of this editorial is rank.Anytime someone talks
enforcement, the pro-amnesty crowd including among the DesNews editorial staff
wrings their hands about this being a "federal issue". But when someone proposes amnesty, suddenly the same editors are fine with the
States making things up for themselves?This is even more stark
because efforts to enforce the law have not involved States violating federal
law. Rather, such efforts have simply involved getting State and local police
involved in identifying and when appropriate, detaining illegal aliens to turn
over to federal officers just as federal law allows. Amnesty efforts such as
116, however, are a direct violation of federal law.Rather than
continue to look silly and to make up contorted "logic" to support
their view, the DesNews editorial board would be better off to just be honest.
Openly advocate for open borders, amnesty, and giving away the nation. A lot of
people will disagree. Some will agree. But at least you'll be honest.
@utesovertide: "How does giving someone the right to work here, pay taxes
to all locales, create jobs, take risks, and add to the community, all without
the right to vote, remain once the right is expired, or benefit from social
security, equal Amnesty...?"Amnesty is being allowed to stay in
this country. Most illegals don't want citizenship. They just want jobs. We
ain't got no jobs for them. As has been stated many times on many threads, we
have 15 million unemployed Americans who need work. We don't need any workers
now. And when we do, we'll invite them to come legally... and go home when
There is a great and insurmountable problem with the Utah Compact. That problem
is one of trust. The Federal Government has shown that it cannot be trusted to
secure our borders, nor have they made any effort to rectify the problem of
illegal immigration.What do you do when a government abdicates its
responsibility. Do you close your eyes and pretend that you have no
responsibility as a State to protect your own borders and to require all who
enter, enter lawfully?Utah, by itself, cannot solve the problem, nor
can it pretend that the Federal Government has any interest in fulfilling its
duty to protect our borders. That leaves us with a problem. As a State, we can
look the other way and say that it is not our problem. We can enforce the law
when violations become known. We can actively pursue any suspected violators of
the law. Prudence would dictate that we choose the second option, that we
enforce the law when violations become known. Humanity towards others requires
us to treat with dignity those people, including families, who have placed
themselves outside the law.A civilized society cannot exist without
obedience to law.
To those who are concerned about the LDS Church supposedly supporting
lawbreaking: I do not see the LDS Church's nor the Catholic Church's nor any
other Church's support of the Utah Compact as being in support of breaking the
law. The Utah Compact is intended to provide a model for modifying national law
from a law that doesn't work to make it a law that does work. I would be very
disappointed if any Christian Church did not come down on the side of
compassion. Laws are changed every day as an attempt improve
things. Even the United States constitution, which many believe was inspired by
God, provides a way for itself to be modified. That same constitution
established a legislature to make and modify laws as necessary.I
applaud the efforts of our Utah Legislature and governor in framing HB 116, and
would be terribly disappointed if the Republican Party delegates vote to
advocate its repeal or to take punitive action of any kind toward those
thoughtful and courageous legislators who voted for it.
Some have said, rightly, that a large part of the immigration problem is due to
people thwarting the rules. It is obvious, due to the size of the illegal
population, that the current rules are not working. Every year in this country
laws are changed to try to redress problems with current laws. Even in sports
there are annual changes in rules to try to improve the way the game is
played.I believe the Utah Compact advocates a change in our national
laws to really address the immigration problem in a rational way, rather than to
just continue to sweep it under the rug as the federal government has been doing
for years. HB 116 is an attempt change the rules in a way that is reasonable
and compassionate. It allows people who have been living in the shadows to come
forward, pay reasonable penalties, and be able to live, work and pay taxes here
legally without granting them citizenship. Breaking up families or sending
teenagers who were brought here as young children is, to me, somewhat akin to
assessing the death penalty for doing 75 miles per hour in a 55 mph zone.
I am deeply concerned that my church leadership would thwart the rule of law.
Are we not taught to live by the law? So now, we not only have a political
ruling elite that for the most part feels no need to reference the
constitutionality of regulation they put forward, we also have the LDS church
urging law makers to disregard the law of the land.I wan't freedom
and prosperity for all mankind. The only way that happens is that good, decent,
honest citizenry take a stand against corruption, and promote freedom. I often
hear the argument that illegals are just hard working folks that just want a
better life, so we should let them in. Think about this, if we create a way for
them to thwart the rules, we are lowering the standards of our society thus
encouraging the slide towards greater corruption. The very thing that is
keeping most of the world from enjoying the opportunities that we once enjoyed
here. Are we going to continue to dilute the Constitution for a short term poor
solution, or are we going to gird our loins for the harder, but ultimately more
compassionate solutions for all.
@LDSSo in other words you refuse to address one point that I made.
Why is that? I am not arguing that they are not hard working or that
they are trying to establish a family here. However, they are NOT
honest in there dealings by the very fact that they are here illegally. No way
around that one as it is impossible for them to obtain work without contributing
to the felonious acts of their employer or by committing document fraud
themselves (and in many cases identity theft). Lets not forget the fact
that by supporting HB116 you are inadvertently supporting institutional racism.
Care to address, or are you going to feed me some more feel good lines
that fail to recognize the significant negative issues of illegal immigration?
@MormonDemThe studies you use to make your claims that immigrants
actually benefit our economy and add more to the tax base than they take do not
differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. How convenient of them to
hide the truth by padding the stats. As for your claim about making
laws to adhere to. I suppose I should choose a law I don't like and start
breaking it in the hope that at some point in time a law will be passed that
will legalize my illegal actions. The argument is absurd.
to Hunt | 3:41 p.m.My friend, I know several families who are here without
documentation. They are hard working, honest in their dealings and trying hard
to establish their families here. Just like you and me.The churches
(LDS and Catholic) want to provide a way for these good people to stay
permanently. I believe we need to support that effort.
@Game For Any Fuss:"the state isn't giving away jobs to anyone.
The free market is."You have ignored one important concept.40 years ago, the jobs you are talking about would have been filled by
16-18 year old youth from our state. But the government, by passing "child
labor" laws, and laws requiring that employers provide benefits in certain
situations, has made it so that 16-18 year olds can no longer be employed under
similar conditions as 40 years ago. The only way to fill these jobs now is to go
underground and employ people outside the law. (My teenage children can no
longer find reasonable summer employment because of these laws.)The
"free market" is not causing this shift to the underground, it is our
own government and the side-effects of well-intentioned but ill-conceived
laws.Don't say that the "free market" is doing this. Be
honest and say that the "black market" is doing this. (No, this is not
a racial slur, but a common term used to indicate illegal activity.)
@LDSWhere is your love for your neighbor who is currently spending
tens of thousands of dollars to bring their loved ones here legally only to find
out that there are those trying to halt there efforts by rewarding illegal line
cutters? This in contrast to your neighbor who has violated our sovereignty,
committed felonies to obtain work, raided our welfare system at the expense tax
payers and stolen our children's identity (50,000+ in Utah). Call me
crazy but I've been raised to believe that we reward good behavior while doing
all we can to discourage bad. Do you believe this too or are you in favor
of a bill that seeks to enact institutional racism by rewarding one race and
nationality over all others?
cowshed said: "everyone is our neighbor..... Many of the comments here
appear to me to be based on hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor."I agree that Christ said we must love everyone. Yes, it's easier said
than done. But he never said that we have to put up with people who break our
laws so they can get freebies out of our wallets. By your logic we should not
punish anyone regardless of what they do. So you really think we should just
open up our prisons and let everyone go free? After all, nobody is perfect, and
we surely wouldn't want to "cast the first stone". Oh, and you're ok
with someone who comes into your house and steals your food and everything in
your medicine cabinet, sells your kids drugs, or squats in your house for free?
After all they are just "hard working people trying to better their
lives" - right?
to sjgf | 3:24 p.m:I don't think you're making an honest argument. Almost
all "illegal immigrants" do in fact assimilate into our society.
Their kids are in school. They work hard. They pay sales taxes as well as
indirect taxes thru renting.Again , I ask: Why would we want others
cast out? The laws must be changed, as encouraged by the Church. In
the mean time we need to love our immigrant neighbors and friends and show it by
accommodating them. We can help them as they strive to be contributing members
of our communities.
@dave4197:"We MUST open our hearts and borders to these good,
hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our forefathers."I think that many people who oppose HB 116 agree with you. What they
don't agree with is doing it when it is against the law. Federal law already
allows for guest workers who apply for passports and visas. However HB116 states
that those who circumvent the laws and do not properly apply for the visas, will
be welcomed in Utah. HB116 specifically states that in order to receive the
benefits of Utah, you have to be breaking Federal law.I'm sorry, but
this is unacceptable. If the Federal government wants to let more people
immigrate, they need to relax the laws. My issue isn't the number of people
immigrating. It is the number of people doing so illegally, living in the
shadows, and not assimilating into our society.
cowshed said "Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on hatred
for, not love of, one's neighbor."I believe you are right,
unfortunately. Why would we want others cast out? It must be some insecurity
that brings on that wish to hurt others.The laws must be changed, as
encouraged by the Church. In the mean time we need to love our immigrant
neighbors and friends and show it by accommodating them.
When asked what was the greatest commandment in the law, Jesus Christ said,
"The first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God..., and the
second is like unto it, to love thy neighbor as thyself. Upon these two
commandments hang all of the law and the prophets." He then gave the
parable of The Good Samaritan to demonstrate the principle that everyone is our
neighbor.Many of the comments here appear to me to be based on
hatred for, not love of, one's neighbor.At another time, the Savior
said, "Let he who is without sin among you first cast a stone." Then
let those who have never broken a speed limit or other traffic law, whether or
not you were caught, who have never taken a drink or a drug illegally, who have
never shoplifted or even had an improper thought or desire, first cast a stone
at hardworking people who have come her simply seeking a better life.While it may be possible to improve HB 116, I am very much in support of the
direction proposed by the Utah compact, as embodied, however imperfectly, in HB
Amnesty grants citizenship. How does giving someone the right to work here, pay
taxes to all locales, create jobs, take risks, and add to the community, all
without the right to vote, remain once the right is expired, or benefit from
social security, equal Amnesty or citizenship?If these people don't
apply for a work permit, or perform illegal acts while residing here, they will
be deported. If they want to become citizens, they will have to wait in line
and pay a large fine.Someone before said anyone who supports HB116
hasn't ever been to Cali or Texas. Well, I've lived in both states, and there
are a lot of people there working on work permits (documented persons) that are
great neighbors. The problems those states have with undocumented persons could
in part be solved by them adopting their own version of the Utah Compact.
Instead, they have turned a blind right-wing or left-wing eye to the sanctuary
cities who don't know anything about 2/3rds of the people who live in them.I am with the LDS Church on this one. HB116 is a step in the right
RichardB, the state isn't giving away jobs to anyone. The free market is.And digrafid, as for all your talk about the "Articles of
Faith," when SB 116 is law, (which the Church expressly supports) those you
decry will indeed by obeying the law.
I've said this before and I will keep saying it. To support hb116 is to support
institutional racism as it unfairly rewards one race of people (hispanics) over
all other races and nationalities. Can anyone honestly say that it doesn't?
LDS Liberal:What are you talking about? Affiliating with a party
trying to change what it sees as an immoral law s quite within the realm of
being a good member of the church. The Church, to my knowledge, has not ever
sanctioned anyone from having a different policy perspective than the Church,
provided that the policy does not conflict with the doctrines of the Church. Using your logic, I suppose the Church should sanction any and all
members who are socialist, Democrats, or communists, right? All those groups
have as the basis on their platforms teachings and views clearly in conflict
with the doctrines of the Church.
The Twelveth Article of Faith states "We believe in being subject to kings,
presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the
law."If someone is here in the country illegally, working here
illegally, commiting identiy theft by using someone else's SSN, how can they
obey, honor and sustain the law? I guess the 12th Article of Faith
is only valid for when members of the LDS faith live in East Germany. If you
are an illegal alien, then you can conveniently forget about it.Now
that there are only 12 Articles of Faith, I wonder which of the others will be
No amnesty, not now, not ever, and not under any subterfuge name like "Utah
solution!"Anyone who supports the so-called "Utah
solution" needs to very specifically tell us which laws tax-paying U.S.
citizens are free to ignore and disobey without any penalty.Enforce
our existing laws, and if anything make our borders more secure, not a mythical
line on the map.
The state has no right to take jobs away from citizens and give them to foreign
intruders. Talk about destroying families and LACK of compassion.
I support the Missouri Solution...to me the Utah Solution is to fire Herbert,
Shurtleff and the entire Senate!
I support HB116. With some improvement in reducing the potential for citizenship
of children, political particpation, monitoring of ongoing economic success by
the "undocumented" workers, could really be a good model for
bi-lateral agreements with at least Canada and Mexico for an improvement in the
nation's immigration laws. However, the article suggests that HB116 is the
result of a long public discussion and is in a sense consensus legislation.
This really is not the case. It is really the effort of the state's business,
religious and social elites lobbied into law. And, is a demonstration of the
fairly small number of individuals and groups that really control the state's
policy and society. When they agree then laws are passed to make it happen. It
will be interesting to see if the popular will enforcement removes the support
for this law and urges its repeal.
To LDS Liberal and other "enforcement hawks,"It's not
about simply enforcing the law. It's about carefully examining the law(s) to
see if and how they should be changed to better serve the common good. Our
legislative bodies regularly draft and amend scores of laws.We live
in America, remember?
@Jonathan EddyInteresting how you equate illegal aliens flooding the
United States to the Kingdom of Heaven. There are laws and requirements to
enter the United States and there are laws and requirements to enter the Kingdom
of Heaven. Do you think that God will tell someone who snuck into Heaven that
they can stay if they did not follow the rules?Illegal aliens in general
do not care about our laws or system. If they did they would apply for
citizenship and do what is necessary to become a citizen with full rights and
priveleges. They want full rights and priveleges without paying the price.
How can Utah County Republicans demand "less government" or a balanced
budget on one hand, but increased immigration enforcement/border control on the
other? Isn't migration simply a function of the free market? I
know those who oppose SB 116 will deny it, but racism is clearly at the heart of
stevep38now | 11:17 a.m. April 29, 2011 Provo, UT Repeal 116 NOW!!
Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the election! ============= How nice it is you place you party and political
philosophy & alligence ahead of your being a Good Latter-Day Saint.[Assuming you are LDS.]How does that ONE question go?....7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose
teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?Time for some of our Brothers and
Sisters to reflect and repent.
@ RRBIt's ironic that you would so brazenly stand behind your
assertion that this issue revolves only around obeying the law with no respect
toward the value of mercy. You want to keep "law breakers" out of
Utah. How noble.I hope you feel the same about justice for law
breakers when it comes to the borders surrounding the kingdom of Christ. I also
hope you are in line with all of His laws or you may someday also find yourself
to an illegal alien trying to jump over a huge wall with a host of citizens
requesting your deportation.
RRB | 10:56 a.m. April 29, 2011 SLC, UT It's about breaking the law
and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in other lands willing to come
here legally. It's about passing laws that affect everyone in this
state, and not letting the public voice their opinion or demand answers. I think
the entire masquerade is dishonest. ============= If
it's truely about "Laws"....Enforce breaking our #1 cause
of death & injury in this State by "Pharmacetical" drugs, and the
real Word of Wisdom "laws" that kill over 500 Utahns each and every
year.Enforce "Speeding" which kills over 300 Utahns each
and every year.Immigrants kill nobody.Enforce the laws
that kill people first, deal with silly misdemeanor offenses later....
Repeal 116 NOW!! Those who do not support its repeal will be targeted in the
It's about breaking the law and being rewarded for it. Above those who wait in
other lands willing to come here legally. It's about passing laws
that affect everyone in this state, and not letting the public voice their
opinion or demand answers. I think the entire masquerade is dishonest.
to dave4197 | 10:38 a.m.You wrote:"I'm happy that the
church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same
side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border
(not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same
opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our
kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the
"Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's
value or the way it's always been. That is to change the present bad law by
legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law."I applaud your comment. We MUST open our hearts and borders to these
good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our
forefathers.The Church is absolutely right in their position.
It's not about jobs--study after study has shown that immigrants have actually
contributed to Utah's economy.It's not about taxes and public
services--immigrants contribute more than they draw from the system, and pay
taxes for many services they will never benefit from (services that rightwingers
want to get rid of anyway for everybody, not just immigrants!).It's
not about adherence to the law--we're talking about making the laws to adhere
to, no matter how many times rightwingers rattle off the 12th article of
faith.Nope. It's about hate. Plain and simple. Our country's going
through a rough patch and we need somebody to blame it on. Anti-immigrant
sentiment has ALWAYS increased during times of economic difficulty. This is
nothing new.I'm proud that my Church is taking the right position on
it, and I congratulate the DN for doing the same.
I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact"
are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across
of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less
fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as
we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law
to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not
just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to move us
towards good neighborly behavior. That is to change the present bad law by
legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law.For
you hermits, for you rule of law ranters, for you selfish minded elitists who
stand against this "utah compact", I stand against you and for human
rights. Get out of my way, you sad excuses of pompousness.
I think it's hilarious that people are calling the Deseret News part of the left
wing media. A mouthpiece of the views of the Church? Perhaps. But definitely not
even close to left wing.
I'm with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on this one. Why? Two
reasons. First, history shows a fabulous record in the last 100 years related to
church policies, opinions and operations. All other private and governmental
organizations and a large portion of citizens of Utah have less than stellar
results from their opinions and decision making. Just look at the voting record
of Utah and the results that have come about from voters electing Orrin Hatch
and William Bennett. What makes more sense? Following the lead of Utah voters or
LDS Church hierarchy? It's a no brainer. Secondly, Utah could become
the richest state on the planet with just one simple decision and would
immediately justify the need for recruiting out of country workers. If we open
the oil reserves in Vernal, jobs would suddenly appear in the hundreds of
thousands, foreign workers with work permits would be welcomed with open arms
and Utah would be the economic model for the entire world. The LDS Church
already knows better and the Utah state government is slowly coming around but
it seems the citizens of Utah are still living in the dark ages.
Legislators who want to keep their jobs should support the Arizona solution.
The Utah Solution is amnesty in disguise and no amount of left wing editorials
can change that fact. If it walks like a duck, squacks like a duck and swims
like a duck, no amount of editorials can make it into the golden goose.
I would like to see a full, multi-page article explaining why the Church is
behind all facets of this bill.I do not understand the open door to
anyone who ever spent time in Utah being welcomed back.I do not
understand giving non-taxpaying workers preferential treatment for admissions,
subsidized, at state funded colleges or universities. I do not
understand giving citizenship to babies born within our borders, thereby
granting the parents automatic life-long residency, and access to the supposed
societal safety nets, i.e., entitlement programs.I do not understand
why East Germans and others behind the Iron Curtain were encouraged to remain,
to grow where they were planted, and to build up the Church in their home
countries, and to change deprived societies and freedoms through lawful means.
I would sincerely doubt many Mexicans, or people from Central or South America
lived as desolate lives as did those of a generation or more past, but there is
now some new standard?No litany of necdotes about poor Maria
Consuelo and her lifelong dreams .... we want to hear the facts and the reasons
behind the support of this bill.
Of course the deseret news supports HB116, because they are part of the liberal
media and they support amnesty for illegal ailens. It's that simple. They can
try and propagandize this with a thousand sob stories about "breaking up
families" or being "compassionate", but the fact is that the
overwhelming majority of Americans (legal Americans, which include Utahns)
support the enforcement of the law. It doesn't mean that we're not
compassionate, or that we're "racists" or "xenophobes". It
means that we do NOT favor rewarding illegal behavior, which only leads to more
Support your fellow citizens. With 9.2% unemployment, a guest worker program is
not needed. It will either put citizens out of work, delaying our economic
recovery, or end up with thousands of guest workers without jobs. It's a poorly thought out solution that was forced on Utah, without input or a
chance for public debate. It reflects poorly on the Republicans in this state.
This is NOT about the 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah.This
is about the 165 million people around the world who would like to live in the
United States, according to Gallup, November 2, 2009 - "700 Million
Worldwide Desire to Migrate Permanently".If we do not learn to deter
and deport, we will face a wave of illegal aliens that will dwarf the aftermath
of the 1986 amnesty.Acquiescence will not hold back the tide.
Yes, Utah County Republicans SHOULD vote to repeal HB116!Or, be
prepared to explain to 100k unemployed Utahns why jobs for illegal trespassers
are more important than jobs for actual Utah taxpaying citizens.WHY
do we as citizens, have to BEG our legislators to vote FOR Utah citizens rather
than for illegal invaders?
I have heard endlessly from my conservative friends about how their approach to
immigration reform is the only one consistent with LDS Church teachings. I have
been told repeatedly that Church leaders really support their point of view
"but just can't say so publicly." Now when Church leaders do support
what is probably the most enlightened approach to immigration in the country
they go to pieces. I haven't see this much unreasoning anger since Al Gore won
the Nobel Peace Prize.
Those who support the Utah Solution and HB 116 probably have not spent time in
southern Arizona, or Texas, or California. Those supporters really need to have
their eyes opened. Come to Phoenix and watch the legal and illegal immigrants
make their demands on the steps of our capital. Listen to their verbage as they
disrespect this country. It just goes on and on and on. And,
having worked in an area with a high population of illegals, I have heard them
talk of leaving Arizona and heading to Utah. Our loss is NOT your gain.
If we all play nice maybe they will let us keep our illegal bill.It
is hard to comprehend how the legislature would welcome the people who are here
illgally yet vote to cut people off extended unemployment who were working here
legally. Welcome to Utah but we don't really care for our own.The
elected officials now just don't want this overturned as they will be forced to
say much of their work was shortsigted and illgal. Well it was.This
bill has been deemed unenforceable, illegal and non conforming so why would
anyone support it? Perhaps Utah came up with an illegal bill to
make the illegals feel more at home.Those elected are in office to
make the hard call, seems like the electors may have made some mistakes during
Support the "Arizona Solution".
Your editorial can not me more wrong. Let those that want to come here do it
legally. We should not give preference for one country just because it is easy
to slip across the border. Their are millions of people throughout the world who
want to come here and work legally.
Do NOT support the "Utah Solution". People who lack the integrity to
immigrate legally should not be rewarded. Those who hold honesty and respect
for law as values cannot logically support this veiled amnesty for illegal
immigrants. Please understand the long term effects of this law: Utah's illegal
population will swell and with it will come the associated costs, including
dramatic increases in social services and education, crime and violence.
I would be happy to donate $500 to any group or organization that takes Utah to
court, to get these bills overturned. With 9% unemployment and existing Federal
visa programs, it is foolish for Utah to try and pass some bills that won't pass
the Constitutional muster. It is equally foolish to allow people to bring
foreigners into the country with nothing more than a little promise that the
foreigners will not disappear or become wards of the State. One can only hope
that Utah County will join in getting rid of these pro-business, anti-worker
Some of the most absurd policies in the history of our society have enjoyed
broad support from many factions. Being popular doesn't make something either
rational, workable, or advisable. Amnesty is a recipe for disaster, and HB116
is a recipe for amnesty. We need some people who are willing to take a stand
for the U. S. taxpayer and American citizen workers and families while there's
still an open window of opportunity.
In my opinion, A low-paid, non-citizen subclass for Utah businessmen who don't
want to pay their fellow Americans a fair wage is all this is about, that and
maintaining church membership numbers. Enforcement has never been
tried. We're given the excuse: "But there's no way to round up and deport
the illegals currently here; therefore, we must legalize them." But if this truly were the reason, why then does guest worker bill HB116, line
778, welcome illegals who have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their
lives prior to May 10th, who are NOT currently here, to RETURN to Utah? How is THIS explained, I ask? The answer, of course, is
that 116 isn't merely about "pragmatism" and "compassion,"
and about what to do about illegals currently in the state. Clearly, the
purveyors of the Utah Compact and the HB 116 guest worker bill are up to
something far more than this. "Full package," you say?
Shurtleff already has essentially admitted that the watered-down enforcement
component of 116 was merely a ruse designed to placate those who want
enforcement, that it will make no difference practically speaking.