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Published: Friday, April 29 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

In my opinion, A low-paid, non-citizen subclass for Utah businessmen who don't want to pay their fellow Americans a fair wage is all this is about, that and maintaining church membership numbers.

Enforcement has never been tried. We're given the excuse: "But there's no way to round up and deport the illegals currently here; therefore, we must legalize them."

But if this truly were the reason, why then does guest worker bill HB116, line 778, welcome illegals who have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their lives prior to May 10th, who are NOT currently here, to RETURN to Utah?

How is THIS explained, I ask?

The answer, of course, is that 116 isn't merely about "pragmatism" and "compassion," and about what to do about illegals currently in the state. Clearly, the purveyors of the Utah Compact and the HB 116 guest worker bill are up to something far more than this.

"Full package," you say? Shurtleff already has essentially admitted that the watered-down enforcement component of 116 was merely a ruse designed to placate those who want enforcement, that it will make no difference practically speaking.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

Some of the most absurd policies in the history of our society have enjoyed broad support from many factions. Being popular doesn't make something either rational, workable, or advisable. Amnesty is a recipe for disaster, and HB116 is a recipe for amnesty. We need some people who are willing to take a stand for the U. S. taxpayer and American citizen workers and families while there's still an open window of opportunity.

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

I would be happy to donate $500 to any group or organization that takes Utah to court, to get these bills overturned. With 9% unemployment and existing Federal visa programs, it is foolish for Utah to try and pass some bills that won't pass the Constitutional muster. It is equally foolish to allow people to bring foreigners into the country with nothing more than a little promise that the foreigners will not disappear or become wards of the State. One can only hope that Utah County will join in getting rid of these pro-business, anti-worker bills.

SunDevil9
orem, ut

Do NOT support the "Utah Solution". People who lack the integrity to immigrate legally should not be rewarded. Those who hold honesty and respect for law as values cannot logically support this veiled amnesty for illegal immigrants. Please understand the long term effects of this law: Utah's illegal population will swell and with it will come the associated costs, including dramatic increases in social services and education, crime and violence.

Craig
Salt Lake City, UT

Your editorial can not me more wrong. Let those that want to come here do it legally. We should not give preference for one country just because it is easy to slip across the border. Their are millions of people throughout the world who want to come here and work legally.

SunDevil9
orem, ut

Support the "Arizona Solution".

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

If we all play nice maybe they will let us keep our illegal bill.

It is hard to comprehend how the legislature would welcome the people who are here illgally yet vote to cut people off extended unemployment who were working here legally. Welcome to Utah but we don't really care for our own.

The elected officials now just don't want this overturned as they will be forced to say much of their work was shortsigted and illgal. Well it was.

This bill has been deemed unenforceable, illegal and non conforming so why would anyone support it?

Perhaps Utah came up with an illegal bill to make the illegals feel more at home.

Those elected are in office to make the hard call, seems like the electors may have made some mistakes during the election.

azresident
Mesa, AZ

Those who support the Utah Solution and HB 116 probably have not spent time in southern Arizona, or Texas, or California. Those supporters really need to have their eyes opened. Come to Phoenix and watch the legal and illegal immigrants make their demands on the steps of our capital. Listen to their verbage as they disrespect this country. It just goes on and on and on.

And, having worked in an area with a high population of illegals, I have heard them talk of leaving Arizona and heading to Utah. Our loss is NOT your gain.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I have heard endlessly from my conservative friends about how their approach to immigration reform is the only one consistent with LDS Church teachings. I have been told repeatedly that Church leaders really support their point of view "but just can't say so publicly." Now when Church leaders do support what is probably the most enlightened approach to immigration in the country they go to pieces. I haven't see this much unreasoning anger since Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, Utah County Republicans SHOULD vote to repeal HB116!

Or, be prepared to explain to 100k unemployed Utahns why jobs for illegal trespassers are more important than jobs for actual Utah taxpaying citizens.

WHY do we as citizens, have to BEG our legislators to vote FOR Utah citizens rather than for illegal invaders?

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

This is NOT about the 110,000 illegal aliens currently living in Utah.
This is about the 165 million people around the world who would like to live in the United States, according to Gallup, November 2, 2009 - "700 Million Worldwide Desire to Migrate Permanently".
If we do not learn to deter and deport, we will face a wave of illegal aliens that will dwarf the aftermath of the 1986 amnesty.
Acquiescence will not hold back the tide.

RRB
SLC, UT

Support your fellow citizens. With 9.2% unemployment, a guest worker program is not needed. It will either put citizens out of work, delaying our economic recovery, or end up with thousands of guest workers without jobs.

It's a poorly thought out solution that was forced on Utah, without input or a chance for public debate. It reflects poorly on the Republicans in this state.

Jazz Bass Man
Wellsville, Utah

Of course the deseret news supports HB116, because they are part of the liberal media and they support amnesty for illegal ailens. It's that simple. They can try and propagandize this with a thousand sob stories about "breaking up families" or being "compassionate", but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans (legal Americans, which include Utahns) support the enforcement of the law.

It doesn't mean that we're not compassionate, or that we're "racists" or "xenophobes". It means that we do NOT favor rewarding illegal behavior, which only leads to more illegal behavior.

1Infidel
APO, AE

I would like to see a full, multi-page article explaining why the Church is behind all facets of this bill.

I do not understand the open door to anyone who ever spent time in Utah being welcomed back.

I do not understand giving non-taxpaying workers preferential treatment for admissions, subsidized, at state funded colleges or universities.

I do not understand giving citizenship to babies born within our borders, thereby granting the parents automatic life-long residency, and access to the supposed societal safety nets, i.e., entitlement programs.

I do not understand why East Germans and others behind the Iron Curtain were encouraged to remain, to grow where they were planted, and to build up the Church in their home countries, and to change deprived societies and freedoms through lawful means. I would sincerely doubt many Mexicans, or people from Central or South America lived as desolate lives as did those of a generation or more past, but there is now some new standard?

No litany of necdotes about poor Maria Consuelo and her lifelong dreams .... we want to hear the facts and the reasons behind the support of this bill.

Janell
West Valley City, Ut

Legislators who want to keep their jobs should support the Arizona solution. The Utah Solution is amnesty in disguise and no amount of left wing editorials can change that fact. If it walks like a duck, squacks like a duck and swims like a duck, no amount of editorials can make it into the golden goose.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

I'm with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on this one. Why? Two reasons. First, history shows a fabulous record in the last 100 years related to church policies, opinions and operations. All other private and governmental organizations and a large portion of citizens of Utah have less than stellar results from their opinions and decision making. Just look at the voting record of Utah and the results that have come about from voters electing Orrin Hatch and William Bennett. What makes more sense? Following the lead of Utah voters or LDS Church hierarchy? It's a no brainer.

Secondly, Utah could become the richest state on the planet with just one simple decision and would immediately justify the need for recruiting out of country workers. If we open the oil reserves in Vernal, jobs would suddenly appear in the hundreds of thousands, foreign workers with work permits would be welcomed with open arms and Utah would be the economic model for the entire world. The LDS Church already knows better and the Utah state government is slowly coming around but it seems the citizens of Utah are still living in the dark ages.

Dave D
Pocatello, ID

I think it's hilarious that people are calling the Deseret News part of the left wing media. A mouthpiece of the views of the Church? Perhaps. But definitely not even close to left wing.

dave4197
Redding, CA

I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to move us towards good neighborly behavior. That is to change the present bad law by legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law.
For you hermits, for you rule of law ranters, for you selfish minded elitists who stand against this "utah compact", I stand against you and for human rights. Get out of my way, you sad excuses of pompousness.

MormonDem
Provo, UT

It's not about jobs--study after study has shown that immigrants have actually contributed to Utah's economy.

It's not about taxes and public services--immigrants contribute more than they draw from the system, and pay taxes for many services they will never benefit from (services that rightwingers want to get rid of anyway for everybody, not just immigrants!).

It's not about adherence to the law--we're talking about making the laws to adhere to, no matter how many times rightwingers rattle off the 12th article of faith.

Nope. It's about hate. Plain and simple. Our country's going through a rough patch and we need somebody to blame it on. Anti-immigrant sentiment has ALWAYS increased during times of economic difficulty. This is nothing new.

I'm proud that my Church is taking the right position on it, and I congratulate the DN for doing the same.

Conservative
Cedar City, UT

to dave4197 | 10:38 a.m.

You wrote:
"I'm happy that the church, and others who supported the "Utah Compact" are on the same side as I am. That is to help our good friends from just across of the border (not from around the world). That is to allow those less fortunate the same opportunity and access to our relatively opulent economy, as we citizens and our kids. That is to change the (present bad) immigration law to something like the "Utah Compact" that recognizes human value, not just my back yard's value or the way it's always been. That is to change the present bad law by legal and democratic means, not mindlessly support the present bad law."

I applaud your comment. We MUST open our hearts and borders to these good, hard-working immigrants. Just like America was open to our forefathers.

The Church is absolutely right in their position.

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