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Published: Wednesday, April 27 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Boo hoo! What a pity you can't be satisfied with the thousands of miles of available off-road trails in Utah. Please get back to us when you can certify that you have used and gotten tired of ripping up all of them. Better yet, please confine your noise and pollution to your own garage.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Wow...

Mr. Fugal, you think maybe in 30 years you'd learn that public lands aren't your personal playground where you are free to shred the landscape any way you feel like.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Gosh, all you states rights guys can see it isn't such a great thing after all. Let's see, we could privatize the land like many of you want, but then private landowners would really shut you down.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

ATV riders have hundreds of thousands of trails and roads to ride on. You couldn't possibly ride every mile of open trail or road in a lifetime. The greed of the ATV crowd is amazing. Other people love the outdoors as well but not everyone wants to hear and smell your machines everywhere they go.

KDave
Moab, UT

The noisiest, smelliest, most torn up place in the State is SLC.

AlanSutton
Salt Lake City, UT

The letter writer's point is not that he likes riding his ATV in the wilderness, or even that there are not enough trails.

His point is that the government promised something and charged a fee for it, but hasn't followed through on the promise.

This happens all too often.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

Whaaa!

It's never enough for you guys!

It would take 1,000 lifetimes to ride every road in Utah and never the same one twice - but that's still not enough for you.

BTW - after 30 years of riding, I would have thought you'd learn to appreciate what a beautiful State we live in and would want to share in keeping it that way.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Dear Letter writer - Welcome to the land of the free. The fruits and nuts on the left have little sympathy for you. Lame, half-minded statements like "you could spend your whole life riding the trails in Utah and never see them all" are just a blatant example of their stupidity. Like your ATV was the only one ever sold in the state. To bad you and your fellow riders can't make a collective effort to have the fees and money "stolen" from you over the past 30 years refunded to you. Thats what would really get their attention, especially since that money all got wasted on some other meaning less government project, and some worthless bureaucrats salary and benefits.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

He has a valid point (one every anti-ATV poster has conveniently ignored so far).

His point is... the government started changing annual ATV license fees and promised this money would be used to IMPROVE and INCREASE trails available for recreation. And instead it seems they payed to have the areas where they were riding CLOSED! And instead of using the money to IMPROVE these areas... they instead used the money to print "Keep OUT" signs. The money was SUPPOSED to be used to improve the areas... so they could be used with less chance of damage to the surrounding environment! The money was evidently mis-appropriated (collected under false pretenses) or mis-used... that doesn't seem right.

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You can post the "Waaaah waahh" stuff all day... but it doesn't do anything but create contention and division (and work AGAINST any constructive dialog). Why not try posting something that would be constructive or helpful, instead of just trying to build contention?

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Some ATV_areas have been improved. I've heard the Piute_ATV_trail is very nice, but I don't know that any of these funds were used there. And it's too far away for a day_trip.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

2 bits, Tax payer money in Utah is misappropriated everyday.
That's what you get with a one party system.
A General Fund for friends and relatives of the highest paying campaign contributers.
What about Mayor Godfrey (Ogden) giving away public property to a private citizen for fifty years?
$5,000 contribution was all it took.

KDave | 8:50 a.m. April 27, 2011
Moab, UT-The noisiest, smelliest, most torn up place in the State is SLC.
Arguable but...they don't even let ATV's on the streets in "That" Utah town, imagine how much worse it would be if they did?

...over 20,000 miles of trails in Utah and nowhere to ride.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Further proof that just because you give states more control doesn't mean that it's an improvement.

I remember a line Mel Gibson made in the Patriot... "Why should I trade my one tyrant who lives 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away?"

I'm convinced that those repubs who bash the fed government everyday are quite ignorant of what our local government does. HB477 being just one of many examples...

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think there should be an audit done to see how much of the ATV license fees have been used to improve and grow ATV trails.

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IMO... Utah having ATV trails is NOT a bad thing. If ATV enthusiasts have places they can ride legally and KNOW where they can ride legally... they won't ride other places!

Of course there will be some jerks who do bad things. But it's not just the ATV crowd that has their people who break the law and do bad things.

There are good ATV riders out there as well... so it doesn't help to just try to vilify ALL of them (Just my opinion).

And you ATV riders who give the rest of us a bad name... KNOCK IT OFF!

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

That's a cryin' shame, Jack. The ATV crowd only has about 20,000 miles of trails available to them at the present time in Utah. In my opinion, it's about 19,000 miles too many. If you have lost areas to ride in it's because you've proven yourselves incapable of playing by the rules. Public lands are not the private domain off off-roaders. They belong to all of us. So when you ride off-trail, leave your trash, break down fences and no tresspassing signs, ride through stream beds, and generally don't care about anyone else, you lose access to those places. In the end, we all lose those places because by the time you're through with them, they've been seriously altered, if not outright destroyed. It's a price that everyone pays for the bad habits of a few. The closures will continue until the behavior changes.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

P.S. About the money you paid for more trails: It went toward repairing the fences and restoring the landscapes that you and your buddies ruined.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Demo Dave 12:26 p.m.

Don't think this stops at the EEEVIL ATV people. IT doesn't stop there. Radical Environmentalists have plans to cut back drastically on trails HIKERS can use in Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons too.

There are radicals out there who think like you... (that if it's something YOU don't do... then 20,000 miles is 19,000 to many).

There are already plans to close most hiking and biking trails in the canyons. AND to limit the number of people who can access the canyons to the elite who can afford to pay the fees, and limits on how_many_humans can access the canyons.

So... this MAY become a situation where... they came for the ATV_people, and nobody objected. So they came for the hunters, and nobody objected. SO they came for the hikers and bickers and there was nobody left to speak out for them.

I'm just saying... don't be so quick to throw other recreational users under the bus... you may need the whole outdoor recreation community to rally together to stop some of the plans the Environmentalists have as next_steps in their play_book.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

Dear 2 bits, Who are these alleged radical groups and what are their intentions? I belong to several environmental organizations that some would consider "radical," and I'm not aware of this agenda. The trails are meant to be used - but not abused.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Demo Dave | 1:50 p.m.

I don't recall if any groups were specifically named. If they were... I don't remember them. It was mostly individuals who wanted more restricted use of the canyons. But there were several articles in the DMN last summer reporting on these public comment meetings where people (I called them radicals) made these presentations or comments at a canyons master plan meeting with the State Government and the Forest Service asking them to restrict access to the Canyons.

Some of the proposals were...
-Limit the number of people who can enter the Canyon on a given day (especially hollidays).
-Charge an access fee for the canyons.
-Close all but a few foot trails to restore the canyons their pristine state.

It would take some research to find the articles. If I have time later I will try to find them.

I'm involved with a committee that buys land to preserve public access to the canyons and foothills in Sandy... so I keep an eye on these meetings and their proposals.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

@2bits: I'll look into it. Thanks for the "heads up."

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