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Published: Monday, April 25 2011 1:13 p.m. MDT

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Last week, a committee in the Tennessee state senate passed a bill that would not allow elementary or middle schools to "provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality," according to Knoxnews.' - Article

Because, you know, homosexuals don't EXIST before middle school.

Only heterosexuals, apparently.

This is more of the same shameful tactic of trying to put children into the debate on sexuality.

'The overall goal in caring for youth who are or think they might be gay, lesbian, or bisexual is the same as for all youth: to promote normal adolescent development, social and emotional well-being, and physical health. If their environment is critical of their emerging sexual orientation, these adolescents may experience profound isolation and fear of discovery, which interferes with achieving developmental tasks of adolescence related to self-esteem, identity, and intimacy.'

- American Acadamy of Pediatrics
- PEDIATRICS Vol. 113 No. 6 June 2004, pp. 1827-1832

Not allowing your child to talk about sexuality (or the one you DON'T want to them to talk about)...
only means they will not be talking to YOU about it.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

RE:Pagan | 1:23 p.m. April 25, 2011

Children in elementary and middle schools need to be taught what their parents sent them there to learn. Educators are failing to teach the basics which are reading, writing and arithmetic. When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general, and many of them have failed the practical course in their own personal lives.

The kids in my elementary school were more interested in baseball, basketball, and soccer than they were about the opposite sex ..... unless the girls were good at kicking the ball.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

Even the headline is deceiving!

It's not "teaching homosexuality" -- it's "teaching ABOUT homosexuality".

By the time the kids get into high school, they've already wondered about Aunt Sadie and her "room mate", or the single girl's gym teacher. They've also learned the wrong things from social media, entertainment, and uninformed parents.

Like...maybe we should teach that it's NOT shameful, that it's how people are born, and that driving young gays to suicide is the most immoral thing of all?

God made you as you are.
Either God is wrong, or you're wrong to judge.

I know which I choose.

grj
Bountiful, ut

Has it become politically incorrect to mention anything about immorality in the ongoing conversation about homosexuality? I realize they - the so-called LGBT comunity - would rather there not be any mention of such a thing as morality, but sticking their heads in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's a problem to the majority of the people in this country that the homosexual, lesbian etc. community want their agenda taught to my children without regard to the morality - or better worded yet, immorality - of the various behaviors they espouse.

So, to those of you who propose to teach this agenda to our children: what of morality and immorality? Do we not need to explain that there must be a correctness of sexual behavior in society?

Justin.D.
provo, ut

The truth is that our environment is still very critical of homosexuality and many parents would be very upset to find that schools are teaching their children that it is normal.

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

Tennessee has the right program. Being gay is to be discourged.

Sarah B
SLC, UT

Young kids don't need sex ed instruction from anyone but their parents. They are the best judge of when it's appropriate and what they want to teach them. Who cares if kids hear misinformation from their friends? I learned about the birds and the bees literally with an illustration drawn in the sandbox by a fellow student. It wasn't quite accurate, but didn't scar or scare me.

I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to the youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a contract from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San Francisco has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community.

Justin.D.
provo, ut

RE: Most Truthful and Patriotic

You illustrate exactly the thing that many parents are afraid of - much of what you just said is entirely your own personal beliefs. I don't believe in a God that made us this way or that way, or any God at all for that matter. Nor do I think that the schools need to tell my children that homosexuality is normal or abnormal. In a perfect world the issue would be entirely neutral and students could reach their own conclusions on whether or not they feel it was normal - but this is not a perfect world.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general...' - Rifleman | 1:39 p.m.

That would make sense...
if the bill also excluded heterosexuality.

Since it factually does not, the point is invalid.

Justin.D. | 1:45 p.m., your post I think is closest to the truth. 'Morality' is subjective (Burka's, sister wives, etc.), but gays, exist.

One is free to associate that with/or against 'norality' as they wish...
but one CANNOT say that homosexuals do not exist.

I can actually understand parents NOT wanting their children to be taught about sex, at all. That's fine.

But for them to then come back and say 'well, we can only teach about ONE sexuality' is 1) Subjective and 2) favors one sexuality over others.

If TN passed a low ONLY teaching homosexuality, the argument would sound equally as foolish.

And since the American Acadamy of Pediatrics already has documentation on the adverse affects of being critical to a childs sexuality...

I want to know the reason, if any, to deny one orientation. When a parent has ZERO control over a childs orientation?

Justin.D.
provo, ut

RE: Pagan

Pagan, short answer. Because one is considered to be normal and one isn't.

Personally, I think schools do need to educate our youth about their personal development, but I don't think that heterosexual or homosexual discussion needs to be included in that. Educate them on what their bits do and where babies come from and leave the heavier discussions between parents and children.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

This is good.

We should resist the gayness being shoved down our kids' throats as long as possible.

Kids should not grow up believing that being gay is normal.

KM
Cedar Hills, UT

I didn't know they taught homosexuality in grade schools?

I think they should continue to teach about the consequences of homosexual relationships. That they are unhealthy and immoral.

luv2organize
Gainesville, VA

The more I read about the school programs and teachings the more I realize that public school is not for my kids. I can do a better job at teaching my children and avoid all of the politics and political correctness that comes from it. I can teach my kids about sexuality in a way that is appropriate for my family and not rely on the schools to do so. This is so silly that we expect the schools to cover such materials.

Sank You, Doctor
Salt Lake City, UT

SarahB: "I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to the youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a contract from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San Francisco has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community. "

Sarah, the parents of those students took their own children to that wedding as a surprise for their teacher. It was not a school event, but was organized by the students parents. I know you do not want to pass on misinformation so I thought you would like to hear the truth about this. The truth has been on the web, in newspapers and debunked for quite a while. Please check your sources for other half truths and misinformation.

Thanks.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Educate them on what their bits do and where babies come from and leave the heavier discussions between parents and children.' - Justin.D. | 2:11 p.m.

I agree. We just have too many examples that is not done.

*'Bristol Palin has book deal' - By Hillel Italie - AP - Published by DSNews - 03/01/11
'...from becoming a single mother while still a teenager to coping as her relationship with her baby's father crumbled publicly not once, but twice," according to Morrow.'

And, I agree that no one is 'normal.'

Except Chris B. and BobP, of course. :) Commenting on someone else's sex life is 'normal' for them.

I find all this effort to control sexuality kind of tragic.

When most people can't deny their OWN sexuality, let alone someone else's.

*'Psychologists nix gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09

'The American Psychological Association slams technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.
No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.'

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle schools? Sure, you can teach about the human reproductive system if you want to... it's a natural part of biology. But what does sexual preference have to do with anything?

At such young ages we should be focusing on the core subjects. Reading, Writing, History, Mathematics and the Physical Sciences. All this mess about psychology and philosophy can wait.

PAC 12 loves U
Sandy, Utah

Their should be a compromise at least! If the states are going to start passing bills that homosexuality should be taught in public schools. Then Religion should also be taught in schools to balance out something thats immoral with something moral. My belief along with millions of other Americans beliefs is that schools should NOT teach homosexuality! I do not want my future children to learn that being gay is normal. I want them to live and abide by Christian principles.

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle schools?' - DeltaFoxtrot | 2:48 p.m.

They don't. This bill targets if the STUDENT brings up the subject with the teacher. Or if OTHER student's parents bring up the subject with the teacher.

'...especially as it bars teachers from talking about gay issues or sexuality even with students who identify as gay or have gay parents." The legislation has even been deemed the "don't say gay" bill.' - Article

I realize some will never agree with anything I do or say, but this is about the subject when the CHILD brings it up! And that only allows the teacher to talk about ONE sexuality. Heterosexuality.

There is more than one.

And, once again, if you deny the child to talk to you about any emerging sexuality, or questions about it...
they will go to another source.

It's just a question if you want them to feel comfortable going to YOU...

or other elementary students.

Because that's a MUCH 'better' source. Some kids on the street.

Sarcasm off.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rifleman

"When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general, and many of them have failed the practical course in their own personal lives."

This isn't about teaching sex, this would be something no more than just noting some kids have two mommies or two daddies.

VST
Bountiful, UT

It is not the responsibility of the public school system to teach ANYTHING about human sexuality, be it heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. That is the responsibility of the parents. It is also the responsibility of parents to teach their children to NOT be discriminating.

Just because some parents fail in performance of these responsibilities is NOT justification for the public school system to assume that responsibility.

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