Sex produces two things:First is a bond between the two people
participating.Second is production.Any sexual activity
can produce the first, only male/female can produce the second(barring any
physical conditions),which then a bond between a family is produced. Sex is had
for production and bonding. That is why homosexuality is not productive, nor an
accepted form of sex. It is pleasure when it has no productive value.
This is absolutely NO different from what was happening about 50 years ago with
civil rights. And in 50 years we will look back on this with as much awe and
shame that people actually fought against equal rights for our fellow brothers
and sisters. Mark my words.
Way to go, Tennessee!!!
@Rifleman | 6:42 p.m. April 25, 2011 [ A quick trip to the farm is
all that is necessary to understand what nature intended. ]Actually, homosexual behavior has been observed - empirically - in several
hundred species of birds and mammals. I know researchers who study animal
sexual behavior. Maybe you should spend more time in the barn.[ It
is the belief of the majority of traditional parents that sex is inseparably
linked with morality, and that the place for those values to be taught is in the
home. ]I can understand this view. Sex, though, is a biological
function that ought to be talked about objectively. There's no guarantee
parents will be sufficient educators about everything that should be discussed.
They may not have all of the facts, say, regarding diseases and, of course,
sexual orientation. The information provided in schools can compliment what's
taught in the home. And parents who don't want their children to attend such
classes should be able to opt out.
Re: the truth | 5:51 p.m. April 25, 2011None of the reasons you list
are valid for banning homosexual propaganda. It is the belief of the majority
of traditional parents that sex is inseparably linked with morality, and that
the place for those values to be taught is in the home.A quick trip
to the farm is all that is necessary to understand what nature intended.
Sexual Education should be up to the parents. Not some social group. Same as
religion and social activities their children want to participate in. My
children will be taught my beliefs on these subjects. I thank God everyday for
the ability to live in a morally righteous state. And no I am not LDS. Remember,
you have the right to choose to be conservative just like some choose to be
liberal. It is about finding the common ground and respecting and tolerating
each others choices. Find peace.
THAT will make it go away.
Back in the day when I was in school you had to learn Math,History, Science,
English,and a language and this was in the late sixties. Tennessee is dead on in
this.There is no place for this in school period considering the low grades and
where we are in the world standings.As great as our country is being #19 and #22
in math and science and basically lower than everybody else just don't cut it.
I'll tell you where we do accel in and that's arrogance(#1), whining(#2),and
sheer lazyness (#3)! Grow up America and get the priorities straight!
RE: PaganWhy homosexuality shouldn't be taught at all in
schools.Here is is a several fold response.Homosexuality is not normal nor natural.Homosexuality is a learned
behavior.Homosexuality is a recruited lifestyle. Gays
are always try to convince others they are gay to bring them into to the
lifestyle, they lie to them, they tell this or that behavior or thought, or
lack of feeling, means they are gay. they try to get taught in school and in
school literature to normalize it to get convinces others to that disgusting
lifestyle. No one naturally wants to be sodomized or to
sodomize.We certainly do not need schools to actively partipate in
I was raised on a farm and at a very early age understood about the 'birds and
the bees'. It all seemed very normal to me and I didn't need an education
system with an agenda to explain their slant on the issue.At that
very early age I was taught about morality and why it was important. Every
boyscout takes an oath to be morally straight and it is one of the requirements
to earn the Eagle Award.How did the human species survived all these
many centuries without teachers trying to teach their version of morality is a
mystery to me.
All children are born by a mother and a father. Elementary children recognize
this even if they live with a single parent. Gays and lesbians do not bring
children into the world. It is absurdly ridiculous to teach young children about
homosexuality before they reach adolescence although I would prefer they don't
teach them about it at all considering the politicization of the entire
movement. There is already too much misinformation about homosexuality that is
driven by those who have a political agenda. Tennessee is correct to prohibit it
in elementary schools as well as Utah. When they are old enough to understand
it, and if it is taught in it's correct context, then it's up to the states to
decide. I, for one, do not think it should be taught at all. However,
considering the sheer numbers that are involved in homosexuality, some aspects
of it should be brought to the awareness of adolescents so they can make a
proper choice. Also so they can avoid the obvious misunderstandings that abound
in a discussion regarding it.
"Last week, a committee in the Tennessee state senate passed a bill that
would not allow elementary or middle schools to "provide any instruction or
material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality," Heterosexuality is constantly being taught in schools, movies, the street,
park, everywhere. Because it is the norm. Because most people are
heterosexuals.The importance of teaching about homosexuality within the
context of family and as a fact of life for some people, will not negatively
affect heterosexual kids. But it will help many kids who at an early age
"know or perceive " they are different. Children who have homosexual
parents will understand that they are a family too.Homosexuality nor
Heterosexuality are contagious. Understanding and bigotry can be contagious.
When we refuse to talk or teach about homosexuality, automatically we are making
homosexuality 'wrong'. Schools are places for learning about life, the world,
humanity, sciences, etc. Human sexuality encompasses all those areas, why not
teach it without emotion or bias, but pragmatically as part of the human
Perhaps homosexuality should be included within the current DARE program. It
could be called DAGRE, Drug Abuse and Gay Resistance Education."Just say NO" to being gay
Re: Pagan | 2:59 p.m. April 25, 2011 "Because that's a MUCH 'better'
source. Some kids on the street."Personally I think some 'kids
on the street' have a better understanding of the birds and the bees than some
adults who are still searching for the answers and will never figure it out.Based on my personal experience kids in elementary school have more age
appropriate things on their mind than taking interest in the opposite sex.
@Rifleman"When it comes to morality many teachers aren't
certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general, and many of
them have failed the practical course in their own personal lives."This isn't about teaching sex, this would be something no more than just
noting some kids have two mommies or two daddies.
'Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle
schools?' - DeltaFoxtrot | 2:48 p.m. They don't. This bill targets
if the STUDENT brings up the subject with the teacher. Or if OTHER student's
parents bring up the subject with the teacher. '...especially as it
bars teachers from talking about gay issues or sexuality even with students who
identify as gay or have gay parents." The legislation has even been deemed
the "don't say gay" bill.' - Article I realize some will
never agree with anything I do or say, but this is about the subject when the
CHILD brings it up! And that only allows the teacher to talk about ONE
sexuality. Heterosexuality. There is more than one. And,
once again, if you deny the child to talk to you about any emerging sexuality,
or questions about it... they will go to another source. It's
just a question if you want them to feel comfortable going to YOU...
or other elementary students. Because that's a MUCH 'better' source.
Some kids on the street. Sarcasm off.
Their should be a compromise at least! If the states are going to start passing
bills that homosexuality should be taught in public schools. Then Religion
should also be taught in schools to balance out something thats immoral with
something moral. My belief along with millions of other Americans beliefs is
that schools should NOT teach homosexuality! I do not want my future children to
learn that being gay is normal. I want them to live and abide by Christian
Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle
schools? Sure, you can teach about the human reproductive system if you want
to... it's a natural part of biology. But what does sexual preference have to do
with anything?At such young ages we should be focusing on the core
subjects. Reading, Writing, History, Mathematics and the Physical Sciences. All
this mess about psychology and philosophy can wait.
'Educate them on what their bits do and where babies come from and leave the
heavier discussions between parents and children.' - Justin.D. | 2:11 p.m. I agree. We just have too many examples that is not done.
*'Bristol Palin has book deal' - By Hillel Italie - AP - Published by DSNews -
03/01/11 '...from becoming a single mother while still a teenager to
coping as her relationship with her baby's father crumbled publicly not once,
but twice," according to Morrow.' And, I agree that no one is
'normal.' Except Chris B. and BobP, of course. :) Commenting on
someone else's sex life is 'normal' for them. I find all this effort
to control sexuality kind of tragic. When most people can't deny
their OWN sexuality, let alone someone else's. *'Psychologists nix
gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09'The American Psychological
Association slams technique that seeks to change sexual orientation. No
solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some
research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful, inducing
depression and suicidal tendencies.'
SarahB: "I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to
the youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian
wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a contract
from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San Francisco
has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community. "Sarah, the parents of those students took their own children to that wedding
as a surprise for their teacher. It was not a school event, but was organized
by the students parents. I know you do not want to pass on misinformation so I
thought you would like to hear the truth about this. The truth has been on the
web, in newspapers and debunked for quite a while. Please check your sources
for other half truths and misinformation.Thanks.
The more I read about the school programs and teachings the more I realize that
public school is not for my kids. I can do a better job at teaching my children
and avoid all of the politics and political correctness that comes from it. I
can teach my kids about sexuality in a way that is appropriate for my family and
not rely on the schools to do so. This is so silly that we expect the schools to
cover such materials.
I didn't know they taught homosexuality in grade schools? I think
they should continue to teach about the consequences of homosexual
relationships. That they are unhealthy and immoral.
This is good. We should resist the gayness being shoved down our
kids' throats as long as possible. Kids should not grow up believing
that being gay is normal.
RE: PaganPagan, short answer. Because one is considered to be
normal and one isn't.Personally, I think schools do need to educate
our youth about their personal development, but I don't think that heterosexual
or homosexual discussion needs to be included in that. Educate them on what
their bits do and where babies come from and leave the heavier discussions
between parents and children.
'When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the
subject of sex education in general...' - Rifleman | 1:39 p.m. That
would make sense... if the bill also excluded heterosexuality.
Since it factually does not, the point is invalid. Justin.D. | 1:45
p.m., your post I think is closest to the truth. 'Morality' is subjective
(Burka's, sister wives, etc.), but gays, exist. One is free to
associate that with/or against 'norality' as they wish... but one CANNOT
say that homosexuals do not exist. I can actually understand parents
NOT wanting their children to be taught about sex, at all. That's fine.
But for them to then come back and say 'well, we can only teach about ONE
sexuality' is 1) Subjective and 2) favors one sexuality over others.
If TN passed a low ONLY teaching homosexuality, the argument would sound equally
as foolish. And since the American Acadamy of Pediatrics already has
documentation on the adverse affects of being critical to a childs
sexuality... I want to know the reason, if any, to deny one
orientation. When a parent has ZERO control over a childs orientation?
RE: Most Truthful and PatrioticYou illustrate exactly the thing
that many parents are afraid of - much of what you just said is entirely your
own personal beliefs. I don't believe in a God that made us this way or that
way, or any God at all for that matter. Nor do I think that the schools need to
tell my children that homosexuality is normal or abnormal. In a perfect world
the issue would be entirely neutral and students could reach their own
conclusions on whether or not they feel it was normal - but this is not a
Young kids don't need sex ed instruction from anyone but their parents. They
are the best judge of when it's appropriate and what they want to teach them.
Who cares if kids hear misinformation from their friends? I learned about the
birds and the bees literally with an illustration drawn in the sandbox by a
fellow student. It wasn't quite accurate, but didn't scar or scare me. I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to the
youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian
wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a
contract from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San
Francisco has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community.
Tennessee has the right program. Being gay is to be discourged.
The truth is that our environment is still very critical of homosexuality and
many parents would be very upset to find that schools are teaching their
children that it is normal.
Has it become politically incorrect to mention anything about immorality in the
ongoing conversation about homosexuality? I realize they - the so-called LGBT
comunity - would rather there not be any mention of such a thing as morality,
but sticking their heads in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's a problem to
the majority of the people in this country that the homosexual, lesbian etc.
community want their agenda taught to my children without regard to the morality
- or better worded yet, immorality - of the various behaviors they espouse.So, to those of you who propose to teach this agenda to our children:
what of morality and immorality? Do we not need to explain that there must be a
correctness of sexual behavior in society?
Even the headline is deceiving! It's not "teaching
homosexuality" -- it's "teaching ABOUT homosexuality".By the time the kids get into high school, they've already wondered about Aunt
Sadie and her "room mate", or the single girl's gym teacher. They've
also learned the wrong things from social media, entertainment, and uninformed
parents.Like...maybe we should teach that it's NOT shameful, that
it's how people are born, and that driving young gays to suicide is the most
immoral thing of all?God made you as you are.Either God is
wrong, or you're wrong to judge.I know which I choose.
RE:Pagan | 1:23 p.m. April 25, 2011 Children in elementary and
middle schools need to be taught what their parents sent them there to learn.
Educators are failing to teach the basics which are reading, writing and
arithmetic. When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound
of the subject of sex education in general, and many of them have failed the
practical course in their own personal lives.The kids in my
elementary school were more interested in baseball, basketball, and soccer than
they were about the opposite sex ..... unless the girls were good at kicking the
'Last week, a committee in the Tennessee state senate passed a bill that would
not allow elementary or middle schools to "provide any instruction or
material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality,"
according to Knoxnews.' - Article Because, you know, homosexuals
don't EXIST before middle school. Only heterosexuals, apparently. This is more of the same shameful tactic of trying to put children into
the debate on sexuality. 'The overall goal in caring for youth who
are or think they might be gay, lesbian, or bisexual is the same as for all
youth: to promote normal adolescent development, social and emotional
well-being, and physical health. If their environment is critical of their
emerging sexual orientation, these adolescents may experience profound isolation
and fear of discovery, which interferes with achieving developmental tasks of
adolescence related to self-esteem, identity, and intimacy.'-
American Acadamy of Pediatrics- PEDIATRICS Vol. 113 No. 6 June 2004, pp.
1827-1832 Not allowing your child to talk about sexuality (or the
one you DON'T want to them to talk about)... only means they will not be
talking to YOU about it.