@AnonigmaHe can say anything he wants after the fact, but yes the
Jazz made a big mistake by not offering him a long time before the free agency
ever came up and he would have for sure signed for a lot less than Portland
@shayboMathews said after he got signed to Portland that he'd have
accepted any offer Utah gave, but the Jazz never acted. No way KOC would've
shelled out $34 Mil, but I'm sure a lower price could have been offered. The problem was that Portland came before Jazz and they threw in a
ridiculous offer. Jazz should've offered Mathews a contract at 12:01AM, but they
didn't...Same thing happened with Korver, Jazz never acted.
its not because they were great players...its that the system they went to is
much better suited for their style of play...so if Korver Brewer and Boozer won
a ring this year...its not because they are good...its because of the system
they are in...Rose carried the bulls...
How about...Former Post-Season For Jazz?
Matthews - BlazersBoozer - BullsBrewer - BullsKorver -BullsCarlos Arroyo - CelticsSasha Pavoliv - CelticsFisher - LakersStevenson - MavsKosta Koufos - NuggetsEric Maynor - Thunder
I'm glad Chicago's doing well. I'm glad these players found a system that works
for them and that they can contribute to. I don't get upset about pro sports. We
pay athletes to "play." I mean we could call it "work"
but....no. Its a game, its entertaining, but playoffs and championships are
just more fun for me.
Don't forget DeShawn Stevenson, the former Jazzman is playing lock down defense
for the Mav's and is another player that has a chance to win a ring this year.
@anonigmaPlease explain to me how Mathews would have been a bargain.
After the luxury tax hit on top of his salary he would have cost more than
Lebron James and a bunch of other big time stars made.Next year they
won't even miss him with Hayward at the 2.
Yahoo Sports' Kelly Dwyer, on Carlos Boozer's performance in the playoffs:"If Chicago Bulls fans were leery about the signing of scoring
forward Carlos Boozer heading into the playoffs, his four-game turn in the 2011
postseason has likely sent those dubious fans over the edge. Not only is the
team's highest-paid player shooting just 37.5 percent against the Pacers thus
far, but he's turning the ball over 3.5 times per game. These offensive marks go
hand-in-hand with his typically terrible defense, which was at least then
passable enough during the regular season as Boozer chalked up 17.5-point and
9.6-rebound averages in just 32 minutes of play.Worse? Boozer was signed
to be the type of scorer that finishes plays that weren't drawn up for him in
the paint with little muss and/or fuss, and yet Boozer has been terrible
finishing around the rim. In short, the guy has been awful, on both ends."
RE: KDMaking the playoffs is end all and be all, in fact
most team make the playoffs, so no accomplihsment at all. jazz have
made the playoffs a lot, the real goal, the real end is a
championship, something the jazz failed at for the entire history of
the franchise.The fact if the jazz never get the right set of
players, and make use of the 2/3 they will never win a championship.Champinship teams have superstar/allstar 2's ans 3's:kobe, wade,
allen, pierce, rip, dumars, magic, jordon, pippen, ainge, drexler, toney, etc.
etc, etc. they don't rely on pure 1's and 4's.Build your
team right and championships will come.Jazz have had too much sloan
system players, too much wishful thinking, jazz have shown waitng
years for your turn just doesn't work.
If the Jazz of two years ago were still intact and healthy, we would have made
the playoffs. Unfortunately, other scouts and coaches around the league see the
potential in the players we lost that the Jazz organization didn't. Granted
money plays a big factor, but you have to keep key players that will get you to
Next Year Nets LineupDwillCjAKHumphiesHowardHmmmm 4 out of 5 will be ex Jazz Players
Boozer and Brewer are both playing lesser roles. The reason the Jazz didn't
compete for the title is because they had Brewer starting at SG when in reality
he is a bench guy.
Meh,Chicago isn't happy with Boozer. Brewer couldn't make a shot. Korver and Mathews is where KOC really messed up. Both were a bargain,
both worked hard. I believe Mathews reached a ceiling. He's short for his
position, but gives you good minutes. Korver could've been a Ray Allen or
Hornaceck. I don't understand why they gave away one of the best 3 point
shooters the league has seen. Maybe defense wise, he was a liability
though....but that was manageable.
@KakashiI like your idea of playing Fes and Favors together but
neither Hinrich or Crawford are any better than Harris. And the Jazz won't have
their own pick next year unless they are in the lottery and the pick they have
from the warriors will probably be 8th or later in the lottery so Harris and one
of those two picks would be too much to give up for what they would get.They just need to draft a guard like Knight or Jimmer and let them back
up Harris and learn for a year or two.
@B Russi think it would be nice if Fes and Favors played at one
point...packing the paint...and have hayward defend the best wing...that
would/could trigger a run...we need two scorers one preferable a 3pt shooter and
the other a lightning fast guard...we could have a run and gun that plays solid
efficient D...I'd trade Devin Harris and our next year's pick for
Hinrich and Jamal Crawford....solid defensive PG that could defend the position
and could shoot the three...and a 6th man that could rain 3 pointers...
Yawn!!!!crying over spilled milk
Kirilenko's contract prohibited the resigning of Matthews. Now they are both
gone. No fear Hayward is here. Boozer can really rebound and score
but has trouble scoring in the playoffs against better longer competition.
Boozer was a slacker on defense. Since Favors came to town I haven't missed
Boozer at all.I really hated to see Eric Maynor get away. I thought
he showed alot of promise.You can see in the playoffs how important
defense is in the paint. I hope we resign Fesenko (cheap) to give Favors a
backup who can make a "big" difference defending the painted area.
After watching Matthews' performance in this year's playoffs, I scratch my head
and ask myself "How could this guy have gone undrafted two years
ago??".Anyone care to speculate?
People tend to forget how drastically the Jazz's season turned around when they
first traded for Korver, now we are right back where we were when we traded for
him with teams giving absolutely no respect to the outside game and packing it
in. It's no wonder we went into a skid.People need to forget about
losing Mathews, Hayward will be a better #2 than him. The refs called rookie
fouls on him every time he got near someone this past year and when he starts
getting some respect from them we will find he is an outstanding defensive
player. He did the best job of defending Kobe in that last game as any Jazz
defender has in quite a few years. Favor's is going to be the man at
the #2 next year and Milsap needs to develop a consistent 3 point shot and move
to #3. With Ocur, AJ, Favors and Evans, and Milsap sliding over to the 3 at
times this team is long enough and the Jazz need to draft people who can knock
it down from outside.
Koufus Also along with Maynor
Let's face it, most fans do not miss Boozer, though Korver was a fan
(particularly of the female persuasion) favorite. Brewer is a solid player, but
a wing player with an inconsistent shot has only so much utility. The giant faux
pas by Jazz management is not sitting at Wes Matthew's door at 12:01 a.m. on the
first day of free agency with a decent (6 for 25M or so) contract in hand. He
would have signed it and the Jazz would not even be thinking of rebuilding right
now. They would be a happy 3rd or 4th seed in the west playoffs and very
Sloan had his good qualities, despite his brow-beating, grumbling approach to
the game and players, though his approach wouldn't motivate me. The lose of
Matthews was a huge misfortune. O'Conners needs to get out of the rebuilding
mode, and start finding ways to keep and build players.
Mr. O'Conner should be very proud of the Jazz record of 44/38 over the past 8
years since he has been in Utah.
Gosh, I'm one of those who always used to bag on Carlos and say that I'd rather
root for a losing team that didn't have him on it, than pull for a playoff team
that he played for. Hmmm......he averaged 20 pts and almost 13 rebs for us in 44
games? Those are hardly "cancerous" stats. Those playoff teams seem to
be having a lot of fun and I guess I COULD root for a losing team that doesn't
have him as part of it, but my losing team is scattered around the globe,
enjoying their vacations. It's dawning on me that I never really disliked Carlos
Boozer all that much in the first place. I guess I should start being careful
what I wish for.**Note--my tongue is planted firmly in the side of
my cheek as I write this.
Brewer, Matthews and Korver are all better than Bell or cj!O'Connor
must be brilliant.
Yes, rvalena2, and we can list name after name of other former Jazzmen who
irritated Jerry Sloan, were traded away, then went on to bigger and better
Boozer has always been a stud defensive rebounder and pretty good scorer. Having
super energy guy and tough defender center Noah next to him might improve
Boozer's chances of finally getting a ring. As for Korver and Brewer, they will
always be handy guys to have on the bench, one solid on offensive, one solid on
defense. Still, I say, go Memphis. Wouldn't THAT be something!
The irony of it all. Just imagine if Boozer, Korver and Brewer all get rings