A few questions: If Davies was just a run of the mill non-athlete,
regular joe, sociology major at the Y, would everyone be so excited for this
situation? If the run or mill non-athlete kid was in your ward,
would you be giving him the full hand of fellowship or whispering in the corners
about him not serving a mission and breaking the commandments? Would
you be "so excited" if this was your son going through this
situation?Would you point to your son as a shining example to the
youth if he was in Davies situation? Seems to me that we are too
quick to pass judgement or assign forgiveness either way in a casual manner. Or
course, this isn't just a BYU issue, it isn't just an LDS issue but a people
issue altogether. We put ourselves higher than others, judge, gossip, backbite,
etc. But we despise when others do the same to us or our own. Seems we (LDS and
non-LDS alike) ought to mind our own business, love as the Savior loves and
leave the judgements to Him.
Great News!!! I look forward to your return to the team Davies!
Way to go, Brandon! You can do it! We are soooo proud of you!!
Great news for this kid. Hope he does well from his return all the way through
his college career.
Something I don't quite get, is the fact that the posters railing about supposed
judgmental actions related to private, willingly entered into honor code
agreements between BYU, it's student athlete, his coach - are somehow open to
derision and attack by parties with no standing in them. Aren't these posters
inflicting their own judgement on the actions of others as well ? I
hope Davies makes a great end to this story. MANY byu students through the
years have done exactly as he has with regard to withdrawing from school -
making things right and come back. Did it myself once, so I know it happens.
@Just Jargon "What happened to forgiveness? I thought our sins were paid
for by our Saviour...and he asked us to repent...does that mean we really
"do" have to suffer for our own sins? Or does the Saviour
"really" atone for them? Which way is it? BYU has to dish out
"punishment", or the Saviour really has paid the price for those sin?
Can't be both ways. "Interesting...I'm pretty sure Christ paid
for the sins of the moneychangers in the temple, too. That didn't stop Him from
chasing them out with a whip...so which way is it? The Atonement of
Jesus Christ allows us the opportunity to be forgiven of our sins on conditions
of repentance. It does NOT mean we do not have to suffer the consequences of
our actions here on Earth. Rather, it allows us to learn from the mistakes that
we all make and to be cleansed from them through the repentance process. Brandon Davies made a mistake and there were consequences for that
mistake. However, he has handled it all with great aplomb and I respect and
admire him for that. I wish him all the best.
@SJ Bobkins "Where is there any biblical scripture advising confession to
leaders in place of confessing to Jesus in prayer with a desire to be forgiven
and for the Holy Ghost to bring peace?" Excellent
question...why don't we ask the Catholic church? They've been confessing to
their leaders for generations.We don't confess sins to the bishop
seeking forgiveness from him. Rather, the bishop helps us along the repentance
process. Confession to God and Christ is th integral part of this repentance
process and it is from them that we receive forgiveness, not the bishop.
@bigutefan "...we will drag your name through the mud, publicly humiliate
you, and kick you out of school."LOL, why is it that people are
blaming/accusing BYU of humilating Davies? The ONLY thing BYU reported was that
Davies had been dismissed from the TEAM (not from school) for a violation of the
Honor Code. In no way did they reveal what the violation was...we have the good
ol' Salt Lake Tribune (that "newspaper up north") to thank for that.
BYU handled it in exactly the right way and in no way did they
betray any confidences. The reason this story has gotten so much play is that
in a world where the principles of accountability and moral standards are
ridiculed and shoved aside, BYU stuck to its guns and kept to its standards
without making any weak concessions to public opinion, something schools like
OSU, Oregon, and others are unwilling to do. For BYU, that is to be lauded and
commended. Brandon Davies is a great example of someone who
understands, and respects, the Honor Code, and my hat's off to him for working
through this tough situation. I wish him all the best.
Spoxjox:I don't know where you get the idea that people are
worshiping Brandon. I have read every comment and I have heard admiration, but
there is a big difference between admiration and worship. Most have made
comments about his response to the public scrutiny, not praising his mistake.
Ultimately, he and the team would have been better off if he wouldn't have made
the mistake. But with that said, he did make the mistake and he responded in a
very mature way to a very difficult situation. In a world where
athletes try to lie to hide their mistakes, rationalize, and blame everyone but
themselves, Brandon's situation is very refreshing. How many 19 year old young
men would publicly admit his mistake and recognize the great support that he has
received without making any excuses or blaming anyone else? If you call this
worship, then I am worshiping. I am a high school teacher and what I hear is
excuses and averting responsibility.
Jesus said a lot of things worth remembering....particularly at Easter.One was: Neither do I condemn you.Another was: Go,
and sin no more.Some want to forget both sayings.Some want to
forget just the first.Some want to forget just the second.Repentance
touches on both.And is a cause for rejoicing.Go White, Go
Blue.And Brother Davies, too.
Troutman: "If you would have went to Utah State..."If
Troutman is an example of the education you get at Utah State, don't do it!
salt ' peppa'Yeah since there are only 3 players left on the U team,
he'd be guaranteed a starting spot...don't be so condescending to assume that
everyone wants to play at the U. Not even your own players do.How
Davies handled all of this is admirable. Go Cougs!
Just throwing this out to the world... If you were in Davies' shoes and the
University of Utah offered you a full ride what would you do? Given the
situation and recent conference and coaching changes I think Utah would be the
better fit for Brandon.
Bigutefan:Maybe the message should be, get in trouble with the law,
be good in football, sign with the u and have the court system downgrade your
crime, so you can play. Sound familar.Most of us wouldn't agree with
that, ute, cougar or aggie.Brandon made his mistake but also owned
up to it, learned from it, and is moving on with his life a better person for
the courage and integrity he showed. He will be able to help others along the
way.Not too long ago there was a story about Luther Ellis, a great
football player from the U. He made some bad mistakes, not the same ones that
Brandon did. He was millionare one day and basiccally homeless another day. He
has admitted what he did was not the best, some would be too embarrassed to
admit should behavior. Not Luther, courage and integrity. Look at what he is
doing now, you think he can help these young people with his life story? I do
and I believe the same goes for Brandon.Lets all hope we would have
the guts these two showed. Good luck to both the cougar and ute.
So the underlying message for the youth of the dominant religion of Utah is
this: Go ahead and sin, confess the sin, we will drag your name through the mud,
publicly humiliate you, and kick you out of school. But in the end, you can come
back and play sports in Provo and we will give you a standing ovation. Why would
anyone want this type of abuse?
It just goes to show you Brandon that You should have followed your mentor
fellow Provo High Player Tai Wesley to Utah State. If you would have went to
Utah State, you would have been coming home from a Mission by now!
What story are we going to see in next weeks paper about Davies??? Dwell, Dwell, Dwell.........all is well.....Dwell, Dwell, Dwell
Best wishes to Mr. Davies.
I am glad that Brandon Davies is going to be back on the BYU basketball team
next year. Brandon Davies will be a great help on the basketball court and a
great example for not hating BYU for taking him off the team. Go BYU.
I wonder how many service hours are included in those "conditions"?
Isnt not doing it again along with the other standard BYU
qualifications good enough?
Best news i've heard in a long time, Davies is a good guy and deserves another
chance. He will be "The Man" for the Cougars next year and with
Harrison, Carlino and Winder coming in they could be a very good team for
several years to come.
Those who only talk of Christs forgiveness get plenty of that in Protestant
churches. And diffrence there? There has to be punishment for sins. If there
was no punishment than there would be no need for a law. There are many students
wanting to get in to BYU that never get a first chance to get in is it fair when
someone breaks the honor code?There is repentance but you need to be
willing to suffer the consequences or there would be no need for a law.
Not surprised, Y will be much less talented next year without Jimmer and Emery,
and they desperately need Davies. If I was Davies, I would transfer as soon as
he is in good standing.
No one goes to summer school anyway.
Congratulations Brandon, I hope you have a good year and do well. I really
admire and respect you for your courage and strength.
Both extremes are off their rocker, though as usual the anti-BYUers take the
cake.To the Brandon worshipers: Please. I'm as happy for Brandon
(and for the Bball team) that he's got things in order. That's great. His
private life should never have been made an issue to begin with. But the fact
is, Brandon (and, incidentally, the team) would have been much better off if he
hadn't violated his word in the Honor Code. The hero worship is not merely
excessive, it's misplaced (and more than a little embarrassing).To
the BYU haters: Comparing the Davies situation to the situation of allowing
athletes back at the U of U is stupefyingly absurd, even for you. Davies was
never even accused of doing anything illegal; that was made clear from the
start. Admitting to violating some private aspects of an honor code is a very
far cry from committing assault and battery and threatening someone's life. The
two situations are in no reasonable sense comparable.
To those questioning the newsworthiness of this story, I would submit that any
article that attracts more than 5 posted comments is newsworthy. Especially if
some of the posts come from people who seem irritated enough at BYU stories to
post comments about them ("Followers"). This one has attracted over 39
comments thus far, from Fans and Followers. BYU Fans (and seemingly
Followers) are genuinely interested in the makeup of next year's team, and
Brandon Davies is a crucial piece of that team. The administration had been
pretty tight-lipped about Davies' future in school, so this is definitely
something worth reporting.Followers: Thank you for your support.
You are like a pleasant spring breeze blowing through Cougar Nation.
@SJBobkinsIn answer, to your question, it may not be scripture to
you, but it is to us as LDS. Here's one of the scriptures: D&C 42:57-59BTW, per my understanding (which is completely based on news reports, so
take it for what it's worth), Brandon demonstrated real accountability for his
actions and was the one to bring this whole thing to light in the first place.
Perhaps I'm wrong on that, but if not, it certainly shows the power of his own
convictions and his priorities in life, especially given the timing of it
all.Kudos to you Brandon. It is not the challenges we face in life
that determine what kind of person we will be, but how we confront them.
seems he should go to the U
This is great news! I applaud Brandon for his courage to make it through this
process. It would have been easy to give up and take an easier path.In addition to being happy for Brandon, I'm now very excited for BYU
basketball. I believe Brandon will be the next NBA talent to come from the
Cougs. I don't think he'll have many 40 or 50 point games, but I expect we'll
see a lot of double, doubles coming from his stat sheet the next two years. Like Jimmer, he'll catch the NBA scouts attention his Junior year, and
become a lock for a first round pick during his Senior year. Cougs
will have a bit of a drop off, but I'm still expecting a 25+ win season and a
Top 25 ranking. We'll move from a back court oriented team to a front court
oriented team. With Brandon, Noah, C. Collinsworth, Abouo and Rogers playing
the 3,4,5 we'll have plenty of fire power. But I expect to see
Carlino, Winder and Harrison develop quickly and balance the backcourt. I'm
hoping Rice doesn't lure Winder back to Vegas.
SJ Bobkins "To throw someone out of school for a non legal
offense is un-Christian overkill."You're confused.College athletes are kicked off teams and out of school all the time for
breaking team and school rules that aren't necessarily illegal. For example,
cheating on a test or simply not going to class, though not illegal, can get you
kicked out of school.Breaking a promise is un-Christian.
I'm glad for Brandon and wish him well. I hope he has a fantastic season next
year.If the team goes over to Europe to play this summer it should give
alot of their young players some valuable experience and make them that much
better this coming year. Go Cougars.
GREAT!I am so glad to hear it. Great for BYU!..... Great for
Brandon!..... and Great for the basketball fans as well.
Coug, you don't understand everything. We just know what they want us to know.
I am very pleased.Many Cougar/BYU fans carefully monitored the
handling of the Brandon Davies issue and were delighted with the praise offered
to BYU for how this entire incident was handled.In the past BYU
fumbled the ball badly in handling human resource/human relations issues like
this. It is encouraging to see the university's leaders get this call right.My sense is that BYU will be ranked somewhere in the top twenty by the
end of the 2011-2012 basketball season. Most importantly, I hope
that the BYU culture continues to focus in positive ways in the way that it
treats people -- whether they be power forwards or employees at the lowest ranks
of the organization.BYU has an opportunity to be viewed as an
exemplar for virtuous conduct in the way that it deals with issues. The LDS
Church will continue to benefit from how the Davies issue has been handled. I
hope that Church and university leaders recognize that fact.For
Brandon Davies, I wish him success and happiness in his life -- not just on the
basketball court but in everything that he strives to do and to become!
Go Brandon. Can't wait to see you on the court again.
I'm a simple guy. Here are ten things I understand about the situation.1-
BYU never dismissed Davies.2- Coach Rose suspended Davies.3- Davies
choose to withdraw from school.4- BYU never disclosed what the infraction
was.5- The media broke the story and supplied the details.6- The
National Media fueled this firestorm.7- Repentance is between God and the
individual.8- The Bishop recommends the individual for participation.9- BYU accepts the recommendation of the ecclesiastical leader.10-Just
Jargon, there is a difference between forgiveness and consequences.Where have I gone wrong, and what have I missed?
I support Brandon getting back for the next season. I thought he wouldn't be
able to play until the Fall term was over, similar to Harvey, but best result
would be with start of next season. Brandon is growing up and will be a force
for good if he continues to stay on the path that leads to salvation.
@ Just JargonYou: I think having your name dragged through the national
press and the mud all spring is enough punishment for anyone.Reply:
You must be a criminal defense lawyer. Do you think that anyone who breaks a
rule has paid the entire price simply because their transgression is made
public? You: I think the rest of the BYU population is glad their
sins haven't been dragged out in public like Brandons--students &
employees--Reply: Do you know anyone who would be glad of this?Yes the savior makes it possible for all of us to be forgiven of all our
sins but there has to be restitution. You don't understand the Atonement if you
think differently. Brandon broke a rule which he agreed not to break and the
consequence is that which he agreed to. It can and must be both
ways. BYU is no respector of persons and neither is God. No favoritism for
anyone. Perhaps you are one of those who believes that all you have
to do is declare "I believe in Jesus" and all your sind are magically
washed away. You would probably make a good politician. Just like Bill Clinton.
Why is this breaking news? You read and commented on it. You've answered your
I'm happy for him, happy for the university and happy for the fans.
just jargon it is obvious you dont know anything about repentance or how to go
about receiving forgiveness. Forgiveness is given after we prove willing to
submit ourselves and humble ourselves. Forgiveness is given after we show
positive works and improvement and growth. That is exactly what this plan is
meant to do. It is meant to help him through the process and get him back on the
court and in school. Do me a favor and study Atonement, Justice and Mercy.
Brandon your a stud!
So difficult to have one's mistakes aired across the country. Fine young man to
experience this and decide to continue through this whole process. Great example
Good news on Good Friday!
Brandon, Cougarnation is behind you and are happy you are on the road back. God
Cougs will be good again next year!!!!
The earlier comparison to some other unspecified situations made caused me to
realize this could be used to make false analogies.I am not sure
what specific cases were referred to above, however some of the cases tht have
caused the most questions in sports discipline have involved criminal
infractions. Davies actions were not criminal, and so the judicial system being
too lenient on him or BYU seeking to hide crimes from law enforcement are not
issues. We can not say this for Notre Dame's football team.Beyond
this, the regulations, rules, penalties and process that Davies is going through
are the same as a non-athlete would go through. The complaint
against athletic teams is not often that they have criminals (which Davies is
not) or people who otherwise violate rules, but that if these same people had
been other than athletes they would have suffered much more severe consequences.
Whether or not athletes get off on criminal charges more than the
general population I do not know, but that is the perception at the heart of
some of the complaints against college football.
Great news! We can't wait for the day when we can say, "Welcome Back
Brandon!"We should all be grateful we have a Savior to help us
out in times where we make mistakes. And we all make them.
Davies, we are praying for your successful completion of those things you need
to do, not because BYU basketball needs you, but because doing so will make you
a better person. Be strong and know that we are hoping for the best for you.What remains unclear to me is how Davies withdrawing effects his earning
credit for this semester. I doubt we will know, and in some ways feel we know
too much already. Davies, you are a good man, and the Lord loves
You can do it Brandon, we look forward to having you back as well. Part of
repentance/forgiveness is taking the steps necessary and it appears you are
doing that AND accepting accoutability....I wish more people would do that. Best
What BYU and Davies are doing is a model for the rest of the athletes and
universities around the country. I applaud this action plan and look forward it
being successful. Thank goodness we have issues being addressed as this has
been. Thanks to the BYU administration and all the best to Brandon Davies.
I wonder if Dead Spin is going to mention this situation in light of everything
they spread about the Honor Code in their previous article?
I think having your name dragged through the national press and the mud all
spring is enough punishment for anyone. I think the rest of the BYU
population is glad their sins haven't been dragged out in public like
Brandons--students & employees--Let him back on the team and
school for the summer and the trip. What happened to forgiveness? I thought
our sins were paid for by our Saviour...and he asked us to repent...does that
mean we really "do" have to suffer for our own sins? Or does the
Saviour "really" atone for them? Which way is it? BYU
has to dish out "punishment", or the Saviour really has paid the price
for those sin? Can't be both ways. Seems like BYU has their own
path for forgiveness--meeted out by some suited guys in some office on campus.
Don't really believe in the atonement, do we?
It's great to have it confirmed that a plan is in place for his return to BYU
next Fall and season. His skills will be greatly needed this coming season.More importantly, the growth he will gain through meeting his goals and facing
the adversity and media scrutiny will serve him well in years to come!Good
Crazy stuff the kid has been humiliated for 8 weeks in every area of the media
that exists. To throw someone out of school for a non legal offense is
un-Christian overkill. While on the cross Jesus promised a thief on one of the
other two cross'es; that on the morrow you will be with me in paradise. The
example shows that time isn't an important part of repentance. You don't effect
a young man's life is good ways when you boot them out breaking your
relationship. He should have stayed in school and on "morals"
probation for three months or until he decides to marry. Unga shouldn't have
been booted either and once married there was no longer an issue. The church is
too interested in people's bedrooms and formal, public and extensive
punishment. They lose at least half of those ex'ed, when maintaining close
relationships would have done much to heal raw feelings involved in the
situation. Where is there any biblical scripture advising confession to leaders
in place of confessing to Jesus in prayer with a desire to be forgiven and for
the Holy Ghost to bring peace?
I am happy for Brandon, but how can the Dnews justify this as breaking news?
I'm glad Brandon Davies finally has a plan in place to allow him to get back
what he lost. I'm also glad that this whole thing didn't destroy his life.There are a few BYU fans that I hope are paying attention. They have
been very critical of the U giving kids a second chance after being suspended by
the team. It sounds like a heavy dose of mercy was given to Brandon Davies
letting him complete the semester before having to withdraw, which basically
means he misses no school. I know missing the tournaments was really hard on
him and the team, but it certainly could have been worse.Good luck
to Brandon and it's nice to see there's a light at the end of the tunnel for
While this news isn't surprising it is nice to finally get new/information about
the situation. Brandon Davies is a very mature sophomore who has dealt
appropriately with this situation and is right on track to be a force next
season. He has more upside than any cougar baller in recent history (including
the Jimmer). Welcome back Brandon.
This really does show a great deal of maturity in Davies. To work through these
problems with so much public scrutiny shows the kind of individual that he is.
This kind of pressure could cause an individual rebel, as previously stated, or
a myriad of possible reactions that might not lead to change. But it appears
from his statements he has seen and appreciated the support he has received, and
has chosen to increase his resolve to overcome the very private struggle he is
engaged in. Most in the world would not recognize his situation as a struggle.
Most would feel that the run in with the Honor Code was a triumph. I believe
that this shows tremendous character in Mr. Davies. But with that said, the most
difficult part remains in front of him. God bless him and strengthen him in this
Awesome! Cougarmania just went through the roof! Cougar nation will be PROUD to
welcome him back in the Fall.
And this is breaking news? We all knew this would be the case.
Great News! We need him not only on the floor but we appreciate the great
example he is. This is a Good Friday!
Woooooohooooo!!!! YEeeeeesssss! Congrats, Brandon, and welcome back! This
whole thing has actually increased my respect and esteem for you by a factor of
about fifty. You will be a force for the next two years, and a better man for
the rest of your life. It's great to have you as a Cougar.
Sweet. I am a big Brandon Davies fan. The easy thing to do would have been to
decide that BYU just has crazy rules and write them off. He seems mature.And he is a great basketball player. I look forward to him coming back
to BYU next year.
We Love you Davies!! Next years team will be killer im glad you have your
priorities in the right place!