How about putting a personal face to identity theft?
Herbert's characterization of U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith letter to the Attorney
General as "throwing rocks at Utah" is disingenuous at best. HB116 is
dishonest, illegal, unconstitutional, and corrupt at the core as its real
purpose is to serve special interests, contrary to the will and interests of the
The recommendation that we triple the amount of individuals from our southern
border that are allowed to legally come in the US doesn't make sense.
Individuals that are not even fluent in their own language, have almost no job
skills and register for food stamps the first day they arrive are not what we
need going forward. If we flood our country with individuals with
less then a third grade education and immense drain on tax dollars. We move
downward towards a third world country quickly. I vote for
documented work needed jobs and allowing legal workers in the country but no
citizenship. Workers only and not their families, that is the only way we can
stop pouring our tax dollars out to support them.
It may appeal to those who want a quick fix, but HB 116 will not work. Current
visa law requires a person here be hired for a job an American is not available
to do. And does not depress wages in that field of work. Because of that
stipulation, many of those who apply will not be able to retain their current
job. To do so would violate immigration and labor laws. This was poorly planned
out. A misguided attempt to show compassion that will create a
bigger mess. Our country can't employ 15-20 million citizens right now. HB 469 will never happen, sponsorship is limited to families to stop
people from exploiting people from other countries. Let's encourage
compassion from all sides, ask those here illegally to love thy neighbor and
return home, so they may come back at a later time in a legal fashion. And the
business owner needs to love they neighbor by not breaking laws to fatten his
wallet. I would like to see a 3 month moratorium for people to return home,
without the 10 year return penalty.
HB 469 throws out over 100 years of US case law about immigration, creates a way
for Utahns to sponsor people from around the world, providing the immigrants are
not in the US illegally.The Constitution of the United States grants
authority to the federal government to regulate foreign commerce and to adopt a
uniform rule of naturalization. [Citizenship not Immigration]HB 469
claims that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution that grants the Federal
Government power over Immigration and prior Case Law starting 100 years ago, the
States had that Power.It tells the Federal Government to protect our
borders, create rules for granting citizenship, but as the State of Utah, we can
take care of immigration, thank you very much.The sponsoring
principle of HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come,
makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more
like co-signing a friend's car loan. It is the truly unique piece of the puzzle.
With it, you don't need HB 116. Someone here illegally could find a sponsor, go
home and come back with permission.
I believe that it is high time the laws are enforce. Stop giving away all the
free medical, food, and schooling to the people that are here illegal, and send
them home packing. I know that it will break families up, but they are the ones
who came here illegally ore married some one who was here illegally. What the
problem, I am for one is tired of seeing tax dollars being spent on the
illegals, let start spending it on people that are here in this country that
needs the help and not on the illegals.
The current federal laws regarding immigration are idiotic.
When someone chooses to come here illegally for a job, allowing them to stay and
work is amnesty. That's what HB116 does. American workers are not going to sit
by and let each state give away their jobs. It's not fair to our
citizens and those in other countries waiting to come here legally. It's failing
to enforce consequences on those who put their family in danger, and are bad
neighbors to others by breaking their laws.
@Jon WThat's why I support the Utah Compact. It is not amnesty,
because they are not made citizens, they are just given the legal ability to
work here. That means they cannot vote.If they want that privilege
and will respect it, they have to become citizens.I have been
saddened to see the lack of support to a collection of bills that has
enforcement, immigration reform, opportunity, and a few punches to the boys in
Washington.I know someone who was legally adopted from another
country and has lived here all his life since he was an infant. He has
participated in everything American, including the boy scouts. But the US of A
will not grant him citizenship!!! If that's due to the 'tough' laws that all of
you are in favor of (which it is), then no wonder people immigrate here
illegally. It can basically be impossible to become a citizen for many who are
already nationals. Why would someone who isn't a national even try?
I can see where Obama would embrace this with open arms. He does believe in
change and we all know that. He wants to change to the United States into One
World Rule. I think that the Utah Government is very comfortable with Obama's
In the true spirit of compromise, I offer the following thoughts on amnesty: 1)
some politicians want amnesty for illegal aliens because they think those
aliens, if they become citizens, will vote for them and their party. 2) Other
politicians don't want amnesty for illegal aliens because they are afraid that
those aliens, if they become citizens, will vote for their opponents and the
other party.Therefore, the compromise is this: make those illegal
aliens who have established an otherwise law-abiding life in the US permanent
legal residents, upon the payment of a fine, but remove forever the possibility
of them becoming US citizens with voting rights.PS - what happened
to the practice of putting a party designation by the name and state of a member
I am all for legality.Let's triple the size of the line coming from
Mexico and make everybody, including those already here, go through THAT
line....on into the future.The line is simply not big enough now.That would be the law. That would be legal. That would be a federal
solution.That would make everybody happy.Right?Except for the racists and religious bigots among us who just don't like brown
and Catholic people......but who love to hide behind obeying, honoring and
sustaining the law.It's not about the law. It's all about the
numbers.When are the members of the threatening "base" of
the GOP going to face up to the implications of their opinions.
Mr. Obama loves to hold meetings and give lectures just like a true law
professor and then hurry's off for a round of golf. Does this guy do any real
work? This country is starving for someone to lead and solve problems and Mr.
Obama just keeps campaigning and going on vacation.
About time church does it right for the unprotected on this issue.
While we're endorsing this double standard, would you PLEASE allow the British
Saints to drink tea? After all, it is so hard to keep ALL of the commandments.
If Utah / America doesn't get serious about STOPPING illegal immigration and
creating a more secure border the long term economic and social effects will be
grim. Someone has to pay for all the free emergency room care that illegals get
as well as food stamps and other perks not to mention the glut of jobs that
illegals take from legal citizens. In todays economy it is just plain wrong to
suggest that illegals take the jobs that legal citizens don't want. This is just
dumb. The reason illegals get the jobs is because employers can pay less to hire
illegals which is great until you consider the unemployment rate in the US -
nearly 10%. Now throw in all the violent crime brought to Utah / US by illegal
Hispanics and the human and economic costs are staggering. There is nothing
humain or right about turning your head while your neighbors home / business is
robbed or bullets fly through the air in your neighborhood along with the flood
of drugs as well. Time to take care of our own!! One thing is for sure ... Obama
won't do it!!
There are millions of people each year that come here legally for green cards
and work visas. Those who choose to come here illegally make the choice not to
wait in line like everyone else around the world. And Mexico has the 12th best
economy in the world. Let's stop making excuses for the lawbreaking, shall we?
The Utah compact puts all the responsibility on America's citizens,
and none on those who broke our laws. They also have to be compassionate, they
need to love thy neighbor, and they need to make decisions to keep their family
together. We are fighting for the survival of the American family,
for every person here illegally that is working in the non agriculture fields,
an American is out of work. Where is the compassion from the lawbreakers and the
businessmen that hire them?
I really am tired of hearing the old refrain from the boo hoos that our
immigration system is broken It is not broken it is unenforced. Pure and simple.
The libs want an amnesty for votes and the Repubs want one for cheap labor. The
church needs access to the Latin Countries for missionary work. There you go.
I gave Arizona $100 to support their laws. I would easily give a Utah
organization $500 or more to overturn HB116 (and a few other bills that passed
this term) either by getting them repealed in the special session, by supporting
a class-action lawsuit against Utah by unemployed Utahns, or by getting a
proposition on the next ballot that repeals those laws. I didn't bother signing
the petition against HB116 because there is no clear indication it will have any
effect in overturning these bills. Someone with legal backing needs to attack
Things I like about this law:-The illegal immigrants affected will
not be put on a path to citizenship. They will just be allowed to work here.
To me, amnesty is when you just hand them citizenship.-It makes it
harder to be here illegally if they haven't paid the fine and gone through the
process required to work here legally.-The process will make it
possible for them to pay taxes, have auto and health insurance, and be a
contributing part of the system without giving them citizenship.Things I don't like:-Only illegals qualify for the work permit.
If you're here legally on a student visa, you don't qualify. You would have to
overstay your visa and become illegal to get a work permit.-It
allows too many relatives to come here with one illegal that qualifies. It
should only be immediate family, not every conceivable distant relative.-It is unfair to those who have waited to come legally. The process
needs to be easier for them. There should be some benefit to obeying the
law!While it isn't perfect, I'm interested in seeing how Washington
responds. They need a push!
We can all be so proud of BH116, especially when you realize that it was rammed
through by Chamber of Commmerce Republicans who own hotels, dairy farms, etc.The basis for this wasn't phony "compassion" but rather the desire
to perpetuate the "plantation philosophy" of "we need the slaves
to pick the cotton". The Utah CON PACT is nothing but an unholy alliance of
churches and businesses who benefit from exploiting illegals and now want to
make sure they can continue on with it under the cloak of
"compassion". Its always nice to profit and then pat yourself on the
back for your humanitarianism. All principles of fairness and the rule of law
have now gone right out the window in favor of the desire to exploit a
vulnerable class of people who have no right to even be here in the first place.
Money is a great motivator, you can even get churches to go against their own
previously stated principles if the price is right.
I have not always been supportive of some sort of work permit but I have come to
understand that there is a human face to immigration. Many say the law is the
law no if, and, or buts. But, if the law was changed I believe many of these
same people would still oppose letting in new immigrants. From the beginning in
the U.S. there have been groups of people opposed to any type of immigration no
matter what the circumstances. We have a great nation and it is our duty to
have reasonable compassion on others. I am a fourth generation
immigrant from England, and I support this law.
Utah compact - A great idea. Some may not want to show compassion, but it is
the Christlike thing to do. If I was living in Mexico and had a family to
support - I would have crossed the border into the United States to feed my
family. It is dishonest to expect others to say "It is
against the law to cross the border without receiving permission form the
Republicans, so I will not do that. I will let my children go hungry."Of course most would cross the border to support their family! The United States has long been the gathering place for the poor,
downtrodden masses to come and make a better life for themselves and their
families.That is what has made our country great!
Is the LDS Church trying to outflank Bishop Wester?Why would they throw
their hat in the ring on this issue.Perhaps Mortensen is correct; they are
protecting their interests in Mexico.It seems that this is a strange issue
for the Church. With Prop 8 there were letters to leaders, Ensign articles,
even mention of it in Conference.Why the silence on the illegal alien
The american people have been sold out again.
Just start by enforcing the laws we already have in place. Send illegals home.
Welcome legal immigrants. And plug that hole in our southern border.
I am betting Herbert will not want the feds to waste time throwing rocks at this
bill. It would make this bill and the other insidious bill he passed seem like
he did not know what he was doing.If Herbert wants immigration in
Utah there are literally thousands on legal waiting lists who are keeping the
rules USA outlined in order for them to come here.Those illegals
here did not like our law so they broke it. Herbert did not like our law so he
passed an illegal law.What is the problem? Is the law broke or is
it too hard for the governor and illegals to keep?
BO typical "leadership" style is once again on display. He does
nothing but meet with interested parties and tells them to go do something. He
promised immigration reform, but has done NOTHING towards immigration reform.
BO lied. In this case, though, I'm glad he lied. I'm sure his
"reform" would be amnesty.
Wasn't it conservative icon Ron Reagan who granted amnesty to over 3 million
illegals in 1986? Does this mean that Reagan is now too liberal to be a
This goes across party lines. I am a Democrat and my wife a Republican. No
amnesty! No more cutting in line in front of legal immigrants. No more taking
jobs from US citizens. No more free medical care at my expense. No more
lowered tuition and taking slots at state universities. No more Mexican gang
violence. No more ranchers killed in Arizona. No more car accidents with
"The commandment to 'love thy neighbor.' should be a strengthening of the
church policy for people to come here legally, to not take jobs that don't
belong to them, or to use another persons id to find work. If they "loved
thy neighbor" we would not have this problem. Is rewarding illegal behavior
love? "The importance of keeping families intact." does
this just relate to people who break one set of laws, or to all law breakers who
may be separated from their families for what they did? Applying this to just
immigration lawbreaking is wrong. It's an attempt to justify illegal behavior.
I don't see compassion here. Without requiring all men to be bound
to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, we are
showing just the opposite. Allowing someone to suffer their own consequences is
an act of love, and it shows true compassion.
Utah actually showed courage. A little wisdom. This is why the leg. makes the
news. The reactions are more telling than the legislation.
Anything that encourages people to come to our country where they can be
exploited working for substandard wages while having no possibility of
citizenship is not in the best interest of the people it is supposedly created
to help. When our business and government leaders say we need these people to
come here and be a subservient underclass, it differs only by degree from the
inhumanity of importing slaves in our dark and distant past. These 'essential'
workers are not owned by others but they don't own themselves either because
they have to work under someone else's identity.Instead of importing
other nations' poverty to hold down wages here we need to export our ideals of
freedom and morality-based capitalism to those other countries. Lift your fellow
man where he is instead of bringing him here to exploit his willingness to work
for your own greed.
I know one thing, the U. S. congressional delegation in Washington from Alabama,
Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina,
Virginia, and Kentucky will never agree to accept any kind of "de
facto" amnesty like the amnesty Utah so proudly offers to illegals against
the wishes of the vast majority of Utahns and LDS Church members.