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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:31 p.m. MDT

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donburi
Oceanside, CA

From the Associated Press, April 14, 2011

SACRAMENTO, Calif. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people would be added to the lengthy list of social and ethnic groups that public schools must include in social studies lessons under a landmark bill passed Thursday by the California Senate.

If the bill is adopted by the state Assembly and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, California would become the first state to require the teaching of gay history.

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During the Prop 8 debates, gay supporters said that it would not result in teaching about gays in public schools. There may not be a direct link to Prop 8 with this CA bill, but teaching about gays in public schools is now being pushed. Sad.

Concerned and Involved
Spanish Fork, UT

RanchHand,

I am not a bigot. In fact, I do not believe that homosexuality is a choice. I simply believe whether you act upon those feelings is the choice. I am also of the belief that individuals have every right to live their lives the way they choose. I have a right to live my life the way I choose. I simply stated that one can choose to not act upon certain temptations.

talia1976
Pleasanton, CA

The National Organization Against Marriage was not founded by Maggie Gallagher. It was founded by the Mormon Church. You'd think a newspaper that is also owned by the Church would be able to get that part right. Since this is an obviously misleading statement, one is left to wonder how many other untruthful statements are contained in this campaign. My belief is they are legion.

donburi
Oceanside, CA

@Stenar:

"It is a well-known fact that Maggie Gallagher did not found NOM."
- Really? It's funny how often I see statements of "well-known fact" from people who are trying to push their own opinion but have no proof. I never heard that. How is it well-known?

"It was founded by the LDS church."
- Anyone can make an allegation. Please cite source.

"Gallagher was recruited by Matthew Holland, son of Jeffrey R. Holland, who was rewarded for his involvement on the board of NOM by being appointed president of UVU, despite no academic leadership experience."
- Again, please cite source. What is the link (if any) between NOM and UVU that would make that appointment possible?

Uncle Charles
Where freedom and liberty reign, utah

@Really???: you stated, " I chose to be lonely because I can't honestly have a loving relationship with somebody of the same gender."

Why can't you honestly have a loving relationship with someone of the same gender? What's stopping you? do you need that piece of paper to solidify your "loving relationship"?

@teri88 in NJ: Maybe you should read the Family Proclamation, the first couple chapters in Genesis, and go through an endowment session to help in your understanding of the eternal plan of happiness. You might also read the words of Christ in Mark where He states that man and woman should leave their parents and become one. It's sad to see self-proclaimed LDS folks be so confused on the doctrine.

@Danny: I agree with you that divorce is a major problem in our society. Can you convince the courts to eliminate no-fault divorce and then force them to have the unwed pregnant mother identify the father so that man can be legally responsible for providing for his child instead of having the mother go on welfare forever?

weedeater
Murray, UT

"Gay is a learned behavior"

You are wrong. Human sexuality occurs naturally (born that way)along a spectrum; though the majority of people are heterosexual. A minority continue the spectrum through bi-sexual attraction to completely homosexual. So, yes, some people (bisexuals) may "choose" to be homosexual, but not all homosexuals choose to be homosexual, some are just born that way. Ask the next gay person you get to know well enough to ask such a personal question.
It's like this, RockOn, if you want to know about carpentry will you go ask a doctor? What if you want to know something about medicine, would you ask a carpenter? This line of reasoning may sound familiar to you. Ask a gay person about gay things if you want to know the truth.

lsslc
Salt Lake City, UT

The main issue I have with this article is it yet another example of mainstream society talking AT the gay community instead of with them. There is no effort to have a conversation or hear the other side of the story. To me this is crappy journalism.

I am a heterosexual wife and mother of three. I believe in marriage and family. I think strong families are the center of a strong society. Our societal weakness does not come from homosexuality, it comes from abusive, ignorant parents who raise the same. Abuse and ignorance know no gender. How does a gay marriage undermine my own? How will it stop heterosexual families from having babies?

Personally I think a child is better off being raised by a nice gay couple than abusive heterosexual parents, yet somehow the latter is more socially acceptable. We have got to stop talking about gays like they are satanic freaks here to bring about the end of the world. If you think that way, it's time to make some gay friends.

Globetrecker
Arlington, va

Regarding the gay gene, I can only go with what my gay friends have told me or what I have seen them do. Every single one was straight before they were gay. Every one of them (I have about 10 friends from the U.S. and in the UK who are "gay") They ALL were straight until they hit a certain snag where they were rejected by the members of the opposite sex & guess who was there to usher them into a completely accepted lifestyle? The gay communities. They ADMIT it. They say that they got deep into the lifestyle and they turned and CHOSE to go the other way. Ask your "gay" friends if they can HONESTLY say they always were gay. Some others may have had childhood experiences or abuse which confuse them about things, others may be predisposed to be more manly or feminine (read the DNA inf).

Contrary to that 10% figure of people being gay, it's only about 1% if you google it AND if you actually get neutral studies. Gay propaganda is ridiculous and trying to make us all believe it's a bigger population than it really is.

teri88
Spotswood, NJ

Uncle Charles....I have read The Proclomation. I agree that marriage between a man and woman, sealed for eternity is the IDEAL. But that is not the reality...there are people who never married, people who are divorced. Same with the endowment, yeah, I've done that, 30 years ago in fact. Again, the ideal. Just because that is the ideal doesn't mean that people who don't fit that mold (the majority of the world) shouldn't be able to marry. And as far as anything in the Old Testiment do I need to start listing all of the things in there that we no longer adhere to??

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:talia1976
Not defending NOM, but I am curious about your assertions that NOM was founded by the LDS church and wondering if you can share your source(s). One of NOM's recent defectors, Louis Martinelli stated that NOM was mostly a group of Catholics. However, it is true that Matthew Holland, now UVU Pres. sat or sits on the board of NOM.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Go Utes
"Fighting same-sex marriage is not about hating gays (although many same-sex marriage advocates try to paint it that way). It is about protecting families and the sanctity of marriage"

The idea that you believe that gay people are a threat to the "protection of families" and the "sanctity of marriage" is kind of a heavy charge and can easily be considered offensive.

@donburi
"During the Prop 8 debates, gay supporters said that it would not result in teaching about gays in public schools. "

So let me get this straight... you're saying that schools should pretend a certain demographic of people do not exist?

@Uncle Charles
"Maybe you should read the Family Proclamation, the first couple chapters in Genesis, and go through an endowment session to help in your understanding of the eternal plan of happiness. You might also read the words of Christ in Mark where He states that man and woman should leave their parents and become one. It's sad to see self-proclaimed LDS folks be so confused on the doctrine."

Whose plan was it that involved forcing everyone else to abide by the rules?

22ozn44ozglass
Southern Utah, UT

weedeater:.... "Human sexuality occurs naturally (born that way)along a spectrum; though the majority of people are heterosexual. A minority continue the spectrum through bi-sexual attraction to completely homosexaul"

This model was perpetrated upon the world by Kinsey. Kinsey's work is a blatant fraud and propaganda. Kinsey had his spectrum of sexuality in mind before he did his "research" and then he manipulated his samples to acheive the results he wanted.

Any models of sexuality based upon Kinseys work needs to be held suspect becuase Kinsey did not adhere to quality research standards and he did not even have a statistician on his team. His work was funded by the Rockefellar Foundation, and even officials in the foundation have admitted that there are serious statistical errors that have plagued the work from the very beginning.

Kinsey was on a quest to break down public morality and to institute his ideas of what was normal sexual behaviour. However, even his own research assistants have openly stated that he was not the same man as the facade he portrayed to the world. He was a sexual deviant, derived purrient interest and stimulation from ritual sexual abuse of children.

So-CalAggie
Anaheim, CA

If Gay is a choice, by a show of hands I want to know who's ever considered being Gay. Who of you have ever contemplated switching sides? Also, if Gay is a choice, how do you account for homosexuality/bisexuality among animals in nature? BTW, even if homosexuals only accounted for 1% of the total population, and that number is debatable, its still represents 65,000,000 people! Also, why would someone choose to join a group who has one of the highest suicide rates in the world? Gee, I think I'll be Gay and then ostracized by a majority of the people in the world, and then disowned by friends and family, and possibly employers, etc., that makes sense! Sexuality is a choice like breathing in air is a choice.

donburi
Oceanside, CA

@donburi
"During the Prop 8 debates, gay supporters said that it would not result in teaching about gays in public schools. "

So let me get this straight... you're saying that schools should pretend a certain demographic of people do not exist?

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Um, no. What I'm clearly saying is that gays said it would not be taught, and now it's about to be taught. They were wrong.

firstamendment
Lehi, UT

My wife recently became a Naturalized American Citizen. As the Judge had her promise to protect freedom and fight for liberty I thought in my heart about how the ACLU and Gay activists are seeking to take away the rights of religious people to be involved in voting and politically active. I promised myself that I would speak out when I can for this First Amendment right of free expression of religion.

As part of that, I wasnt to remind all that, as part of this effort to "destroy" religious minorities, and "demonize" those who are opposed to marriage (read "Creating Gay Children") activists are on comment boards full time, posting misinformation about Mormons, and about gays. Many of the studies they push are actually done by activists, even those studies indicate that homosexuality is not genetic. And, as we mainstream homosexuality through marriage, tax funded parades, media, and now forced into our schools, we increase the numbers of children who think they were born gay.

Say what you want about that, but clearly mainstreaming homosexuality increases it. (see narth). Teaching that gay marriage is equally sacred to crucial heterosexual marriage causes parents to abandon children for gay relationships.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ donburi: "During the Prop 8 debates, gay supporters said that it would not result in teaching about gays in public schools." And one of the arguments in favor of Prop 8 was that if it wasn't passed gay would be taught in public schools.

Prop 8 passed, and now there is (still or again or something) talk about teaching about gays in schools.

Looks like both sides were wrong on that one.

California does not have gay marriage. Obviously, teaching about gays in history and society is not impacted by the availability of gay marriage.

(As a side note to Maggie Gallagher, Illinois doesn't have gay marriage either, so what is happening in Illinois is not about gay marriage. A few of her other "facts" aren't all they appear to be either. But, hey, a stretch here and a fib there, what's the difference? Who needs the truth anyway?)

MPeace
Provo, Utah

No One, Even If the Country were All Gays, Could Change the ULTIMATE LAW SET FORTH BY GOD ON GAY MARRIAGE, -And the GAY's Know It.

This Gay Marriage Thing is only good for Insurance and Retirement Benefits.

-And Their Minds. -And the Bluffing of the communities they live in so they won't be Ostricized.

Their Marriages are meaningless when it comes to GOD. Him they Cannot Change!

All this is Set Forth in The Book Of Leviticus In The Bible.

Maybe a law on the books may make life better for them in their communities and should be passed so they can feel better about themselves freely, without criticism.

Such a law will NEVER CHANGE the REAL marriage LAW set by God. -Just the Human Set of Laws. Can any human turn off the Law of Gravity? Likewise, no human can change the real law of marriage.

Gays DO Need their freedom in the human set of laws for their own self respect, freedom, insurance, medical benefits, and Retirements.

IDCoug
Boise, ID

Happy valley heretic: "If I can feel this strongly about it, why can't a gay person feel the same?

It's about respect for others beliefs."

I don't hate gays but I do hate homosexuality. Just like I hate premarital sex, adultery, and media that glorifys teen pregnancy as cute and acceptable. I believe that I can fight against things I believe are wrong and that damage the society I live in. I have gay cousins that I love and can associate with. I wish they had made different choices.

sjgf
South Jordan, UT

@Really???

"What comes across as hateful is comparing my feelings--something that is an innate part of me--to that of a pig, duck, horse, or moose."

My, touchy, aren't we? No one was comparing your feelings to anything. The definition of the word "marriage" was being explained by example. Why would you take someone's statement that they wanted the word to retain the same meaning that has been associated with it for thousands of years to be a slight on your feelings? But I guess some people will twist anything to feel justified in throwing out the "hate" word in a discussion of traditional marriage. :-( It seems to be part of the training that gays go through about how to put people of a different opinion on the defensive.

donburi
Oceanside, CA

@Kalinda,

Like I said, not a direct link to Prop 8. But certainly part of the continuing gay agenda. With CA public school education being pushed to include gay issues even with Prop 8 passing, imagine how much more things would be pushed if it hadn't passed. The Prop 8 side was not wrong. If anything, the CA bill proves even more that they were right.

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