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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:31 p.m. MDT

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Stenar
Salt Lake City, UT

It is a well-known fact that Maggie Gallagher did not found NOM. It was founded by the LDS church. Gallagher was recruited by Matthew Holland, son of Jeffrey R. Holland, who was rewarded for his involvement on the board of NOM by being appointed president of UVU, despite no academic leadership experience.

Shaden
Lincoln, NE

@Really???

"Please tell me how the comments others make is suppression of religion? All I can say is I am tired of being made to feel less than the "normal" people of the world. I have value, but these organizations like NOM make people believe I don't."

My comment was addressing the overall argument of pro-gay marriage groups in contemporary discourse. Media images of the "fallout" after Prop 8 in 2008 attest to it: The LA LDS temple gates with "bigot" spray painted on it, while those opposed to prop 8 shouting obscenities at those who were attending inside. Hotels and businesses owned by those who defended Prop 8 being blacklisted, boycotted, and publicly ridiculed by gay rights groups. Target, Chick-Fil-A, and other chains being mocked online because they donated money to pro-family causes. The LDS church (and by that same token, every active member) being scapegoated.

Never did I state that you don't have any value or did I attack you. However, I find the logic and rhetoric of these pro-gay groups (paradoxically screaming at pro-family groups to "love" and "tolerate" and "coexist") baffling and disturbing.

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

Marriages ARE recorded in church halls, temples and mosques. That is how many of the genealogy records are able to be found.

Marriage is also the only religious action that has to also have a government issuance of a license.

Zack Tacorin
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B | 10:21 a.m. April 21, 2011
You said that homosexuals "want to make sure everyone knows they are gay", but that you (a heterosexual) do not insist others know your sexual preference. I think this is an over generalization, but even if it weren't, can you explain how this relates to whether same-sex marriage should be allowed?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"In Massachusetts and Washington D.C., Catholic Charities was driven out of the adoption business because it refused to place children with gay couples."

Because they take gov't money. When you do that you have to abide by gov't non-discrimination policies... or stop taking the money. That's why LDSFS has had no problems in Massachusetts. They don't take public money.

IDC
Boise, ID

I don't remember deciding I like women. I also don't remember deciding to love the Dallas Cowboys. Is my loving the Dallas Cowboys a choice or did environment play a role in that? Maybe seeing the Dallas Cowboys on TV influenced my decision more than the Dallas Cowboys gene did? The more homosexuality is pushed in society and the media, the more people will THINK they were born that way. That is sad to me and I believe will lead to a weaker society.

Concerned and Involved
Spanish Fork, UT

I am sickened by the wanton disregard for both marriage and family, and I am even further disturbed by the discrimination that takes place in our society. While I disagree with homosexuality and feel that it is not morally correct, I do not believe anyone would choose it. Homosexuality is a temptation, not a choice and is just like any other temptation. Some struggle with homosexuality, while others struggle with dishonesty, anger management, addiction, pornography, or something else. It matters not what the temptation is, it only matters whether you choose to fight or not. The choice is not in whether you struggle, it is whether you give in to the temptation.

Many would say that we need to have tolerance. I say that we need to accept and love all people, but we do not need to tolerate their behavior.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

IDC | 12:38 p.m. April 21, 2011
I don't remember deciding I like women.

Neither do I, and I could Not be talked into being attracted to the same sex or convinced that it's right for Me.
That said, Why shouldn't I give others the same respect for how they feel about who they are attracted to.
If they are attracted to the same sex, why can't it be with the same zeal that I have for the opposite sex.
If I can feel this strongly about it, why can't a gay person feel the same?

It's about respect for others beliefs.

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

DO NOT force a definition into something that it is NOT. Marriage is defined as the union of a man and a woman as husband and wife. The definition of husband is a man married to a woman. The definition of wife is a woman married to a man. By definition a homosexual relationship is not marriageable. Dont use legal systems to try to change definitions to try to make what is abnormal part of the norm for marriage.

Ender
Salt Lake City, UT

@Lane Myer
You ask for proof, yet you are the one who wants to change hundreds of years of history! How can you possibly think that altering a bedrock of the social fabric of our society would not have a significant ripple affect?!

Michaelitos already proved how this change would affect people on a personal level. What is the "socio-political-cultural" makeup of our society except the sum of all its individuals?

You want proof? Since you seem to want the change, prove that by changing an historical institution, you won't be changing the "socio-political-cultural" landscape!!!

RantBully
Bend, OR

If God is the creator, and God is perfect, then why would he create both men and women in order to have gay relationships? People will debate the cause of homosexuality forever, but homosexual relationships do not match the perfect intent of God's male and female creation. The human body is imperfect during this lifetime. After our bodies are resurrected, they will be in their perfect form. I can't believe that perfect form would be with homosexual tendencies and subsequent relationships. Until then, a gay individual unfortunately is burdened with struggles that are difficult to carry. But just because those burdens are heavy to bear, does it mean that we should throw God's plan out and dismiss what he expects of us. I feel sorry for my gay friends and hope they can do their best to accept those challenges given to them in this life. But, I am not God, and it would be wrong for me to try to dismiss his commands. Although I care for my gay friends, I find it offensive for gays to brand me as a bigot to make their burden easier while taking away my religious agency.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Concerned and Involved

"Many would say that we need to have tolerance. I say that we need to accept and love all people, but we do not need to tolerate their behavior. "
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CI, I couldn't agree more. Bigotry is a behavior that we absolutely should not tolerate. BTW, bigotry is definitely a choice.

@IDC;
Belief isn't a good reason to discriminate against anybody.

WhatsGoingOnHere
Ogden, UT

The article is correct saying: "This is a war."

One group fighting for acceptance of a behavior that another group finds repugnant.

The LGBT community is using gay marriage as a tool to gain greater acceptance. If this were about marriage, a civil union would solve the proble. After all a rose is still a rose. All the benefits that they seek are granted as part of a civil union, but that won't further their agenda.

If gay marriages were legalized in all 50 states and throughout the world, the LGBT community would pick up another issue to use as a tool to gain acceptance in society.

The war will rage on.

Roman K
SLC, Utah

Can we just call it a 'union', provide all the legal and tax advantages, and be done with it already?

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

ender: "You want proof? Since you seem to want the change, prove that by changing an historical institution, you won't be changing the "socio-political-cultural" landscape!!! "

Like when we changed our socio-political-cultural landscape by accepting women as full citizens or changing the centuries old socio-political-cultural landscape od slavery.

Treating all law-abiding, tax-paying citizens as equals is a change, but not for the worse. It makes us all better people.

Can you tell me what harm has come from having nine countries and 5 states along with the Dist of Columbia allowing gays to marry? This is over a decade old.

Maybe you think this is causing all the earthquakes? Really?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

You know what, while we're at it, those Goth kids with the black hair and black clothes and body parts all pierced in multiple places, that's just not normal or moral. I don't like it and they harm me just from the mere fact that they exist. My kids have to look at them, and then I have to explain to them why they look like that. I'm very afraid that they will turn my kids into Goths also. And once they get a foothold, then I don't even want to think what the world will be like.

Sarcasm off!

Go Utes
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Really??? 6:43 a.m.

I did not see anything in this story that is hateful to someone dealing with same-sex attraction. It did not say you are bad. It did not say you are destroying America. It is simply making the case against same-sex marriage. Fighting same-sex marriage is not about hating gays (although many same-sex marriage advocates try to paint it that way). It is about protecting families and the sanctity of marriage. If I am born with a predisposed desire to steal things and society won't allow me to steal--it is not out of hate for me, but out of concern for me acting on my pre-born desire to steal. If I am born with an addiction to crack, it is still illegal for me to use crack--not because society hates me.

You are confusing being with doing. I will concede that same-sex attraction is a particularly acute problem with which to deal, but that doesn't change the fact that the opposition to same-sex marriage--including the matters discussed in this article--is not about hatred of gays.

terra nova
Park City, UT

Gay marriage doesn't bother me. It is the lawyers, politicians and social activists who want to have same-sex marriage legalized and watch as the schools are forced to imprint my six year-old with stories about how "Dick and Jane" are now stories about "Jane and Jasmine's Turkey-baster Baby" (which Jane's ex-husband and his new beau, kindly helped them with).

I'm like, "See Dick Run, Run Dick Run."

I don't even want schools to have to begin talking about Dick and Jane's sex life at that age. But you can bet the LGBT community will be right there with a "sensitive," self-published book about it. And any teacher who opposes teaching it will be branded an insensitive bigot, a throwback to the deep-south racists and Klan members, someone who needs to be fired.

A friend of mine once observed, "I don't care if Clinton and Monica had a little romp in the oval office. I don't care about the stains on her dress. I care that my elementary-aged daughter turned to me and asked "What is oral sex daddy?" For that, Clinton deserves no forgiveness."

Anon 64
Oahu, HI

Mc. I do not want to defend Gays, mostly because Gays do Not Need Defending.

They do Not need You to Judge them or tell them that they are doing good becaause they are not acting on their same Sex Attraction. What they are doing for whatever reason is depriving them selfs of a loving and fulling relationship.

I have learned a lot about gays in the last several months. In Dec My Wife and I took in an Openly Gay Foster Child. Mahu would be the word but your mind can't even come close to handling that idea. Openly accepted in Hawaii.

I have custody of his brother and he asked my wife if we would help him out. So she pulled the strings and they where more then happy to place him out of the shelter.

He is not broken and does not need fixing at least on that issue. He presents Male most of the time. However his friends are teenage girls his age. He brings them home to play video games girl chat etc. No S Word, Drugs, Booze,Smoking etc. Lots of Rock and Roll.

Because you are Hetrosexual does not make you better.

Steve-o
Ogden, UT

Morality: Conformity, or degree of conformity, to conventional standards of moral conduct.
Marriage: The social institution under which a man and a woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies.

We're rewriting the book on these two words, and it's not increasing the quality of our society. We're going the wrong direction on these issues.

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