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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 10:00 p.m. MDT

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A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

ALL these foreclosures are the fault of only the banks?


I totally agree that navigating the mortgage/closing process is a confusing pain the rear end and, no, I don't claim to understand every part of it and, yes, I do think banks loaned waaaaaay too much money to people who never should have tried buying a home.

However, I DO know how to figure an interest rate and what that monthly payment will be and I'm smart enough to know I also need to add taxes and insurance to that monthly payment.

And, oh yeah, I know how to figure my monthly expenses and add all of them up to see if I 'really' can afford that nice, new home.

They are ONLY 'victims?'

Only victims of not using their brains....

Dallas, TX

Place the blame on someone else. That's the American way.

I feel for those who have lost their jobs. But part of buying a house is buying within your means in case of a rainy day. If you don't have savings put away, maybe you shouldn't be buying in the first place. People have lost jobs since the beginning and held on to their houses. Yes their are those whose circumstances would have lost their house no matter what but they are the minority here.

Most people who are losing their homes are those who bought way too much house and now that can't afford it. They are not in the minority. They signed adjustable mortgage loans so they could qualify for the loan. The smart money is to buy a house you can afford on a fixed loan so you know your future no matter what happens to the financial sector. Since when does a family of four need a 4,000 sq foot home with all the upgrades? They would fit nicely in a 1,300 sq. foot house with a payment at the fraction of what they are paying.

Provo, UT

The taxpayer is the victim for having to bail these people out. You don't try to get something for nothing and most of these people tried to get a home way over and beyond what they could ever pay for. I don't feel sorry for them, I despise them and their gluttony.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Foreclosure is only the fault of people who fail to pay their mortgages. A few may be truly unfortunate types who have lost jobs.

However, most probably made a very small down payment; bought the most expensive house they could; save very little money for emergencies; and generally live a lifestyle above what they can afford.

Just like Congress.

The only cure is for people to stop buying stuff they can not afford, even if it means continuing to rent, or living in a smaller, less expensive house, and driving and older, cheaper car.

There are indeed other victims, but not the ones cited in the story. How about all the depositors (those are people who save money and their bank or credit union loans it out to other people for mortgages or cars) who will get little or nothing in the interest they expected for the use of their money by the foreclosure "victims?"

Too bad that massive federal spending on counseling jobs ran out, but we cannot afford it any more. Just turn your radio on and listen to Save Ramsey or Clark Howard, and 90% of the "victims" could avoid foreclosure.

Kearns, UT

For the uninformed, these people are not trying to avoid their obligations and debts, the banks and mortgages companies are unwilling to cooperate and work with any refinancing plans and forcing foreclosures.

Most mortgage companies and bank card companies are held in off shore accounts that cannot be contacted or reasoned with. Many times a property or mortgage or credit debt has been subdivided among many creditors rather than a single contract holder. When there are multiple parties having separate claims to a debt its impossible to locate them or know who they are. Not even third party collection companies know all the information.

There is an easy method to see just how vast and diversified debt is in the US, try and find the contact holder of in-store credit cards or large bank credit cards contracts. When you reach the shores of England and other foreign banks you hit a dead end and no information. This is what these people have encountered.

Ogden, UT

Isn't Utah one of the states with the highest square footage per home?

Guess all that greed is coming home to roost. Stop blaming others for your shortcomings!

Hayden, ID

This is what the entitlement mentality produces; Other people must pay for my living beyond my means, if not I am a victim of other people's greed!

Burley, ID

What it sounds like to me, is you all have great comfortable jobs and have never suffered from job loss or a major medical emergency. You are jumping to conclusions that are greatly judgmental! I am glad you don't hold my mortgage note. There are those who do purchase more than they need but they are in the minority. Get off your high horse and put yourself in someone else's shoes for a day, a week, a month or even a year. It is only through generosity of family that we were able to keep our home. Now that we are employed again we are able to make all our payments. Good people have bad things happen to them even if they think they are well prepared.

Kearns, UT

Most people who are going through foreclosures are not looking for somebody to take care of their situation. They want to meet their payment obligations. I had to deal with a mortgage company for over a year who claimed I missed a payment in December 2009. The crazy thing is I had arranged automatic payments through my checking account. I had records that the money went to the mortgage company. They would not accept that. I spent 12 months working on getting this fixed. The only solution I found was to get a home loan modification--it turned out I was qualified for the reduction. The mortgage company kept on "losing" papers throughout the process. It is a good thing I kept a good paper trail going, otherwise they would not have followed through on their obligations. I have heard horror stories worse than mine. The mortgage companies are creating bigger messes than solutions.

Sandy, UT

Although I sympathize with those going through foreclosure it is not the end of the world for them. Some people are clueless when it comes to financial matters. There is always a risk that one will lose their job. A wise person will factor that into their financial plan. Second, there are only a few cases of "predatory lending" in UT unless one's definition is any loan that the borrower subsequently defaults on. Third, the mortgage industry is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the nation. Try to get a license to be a mortgage broker and you will see why there are only 3000 of them when there used to be 12,000.

Lifelong Republican
Orem, UT

I feel sorry for the folks in this situation. But don't go crying "victim".

It will do yourself no good and people will only grow to resent you.

It is tough to lose a job but when you do, you have to be ready to make do.

I once sold my home to stay out of debt when times were tough. It wasn't easy but we made it through and came out better in the long run.

A house is just a building, a home is where you live.

Clearfield, UT

"The only cure is for people to stop buying stuff they can not afford, even if it means continuing to rent, or living in a smaller, less expensive house, and driving and older, cheaper car."

Are you trying to destroy our economy, DN Subscriber? Why do you hate America?

Colorado Springs, CO

"By and large I don't think that's the average person being foreclosed upon," he said. "The person who's losing their home today is somebody who lost their job because of the financial crisis."

Let's break that paragraph down: First, this person only "thinks" the average person being foreclosed upon are not those who borrowed too much money. I'm sure most of you can harken back to when you were buying a home, at least I can, and the banks offered us way more than we could pay, or at least that's where our whole paycheck would go to.

This person next says that the people who are losing their homes today are those who lost their jobs. Okay, I can go with that. But to then blame the banks and mortgage companies doesn't fit, unless this person believes the banks and mortgage companies should provide the person who lost their home a job. How can it be the bank or mortgage company's fault.

@my2cents: Why should the banks negotiate? You signed a contract. Why should you get a better deal just because....??

Cedar City, UT

Yes mortgage brokers, wall street money, and government programs pushed or allowed products that never should have been available to the public (i.e. interest only ARM's, Negative Amortization loans, no down payment programs), but people need to take responsibility for their financial lives. The increase in a homes value doesn't pay the loan off, you're income and savings do. Before you get a home, pay off consumer debt, build a rainy day fund, and save for a down payment. Then find a home that fits your budget (debt to income no greater than 33%. Also, find a community bank that services mortgages or someone that has a local person in your area. If you follow these simple guidelines you will never face foreclosure.

Layton, UT

Wow, there is certainly a lot of sympathy shared in prior post . The real question is what all the financial institutions did with the billions of tax payer dollars supposedly distributed for the benefit of the public. It is obvious after this recent crisis those funds never reach those that actually might be in need. So why hasn't the govt. stopped the spending that has only resulted in bigger pension plans for fortune 500 CEOs? Congress is just now realizing banks make more money by allowing foreclosures than by helping people to modify their loans? Yes, amazing concept that businesses are in it for themselves and look at the bottom line. I can't blame them, but this is why the Feds need to stay away from the marketplace!

Hereford, AZ

I'm on all sides of this. Yes, some people were unwise in buying too much fancy houses, taking adjustable mortgages, etc.

But people with big families genuinely need somewhat bigger houses, too. I know, I lived in an 800 sq. ft. home once with five kids, husband and a friend--it was doable for a short time, but awfully hard. We were thrilled to move into a house with 1120 sq ft and a basement we could finish.

On the other hand, when one of my sons went to buy a small 3 bedroom fixer-upper at a reasonable price at the time for our area, he was encouraged by the mortgage company to fudge his income to qualify more easily--which he refused to do. They took over a VA loan on the re-possessed house--at a significantly higher interest rate than is going now. They've had several periods of unemployment due to the economy--he works construction. They lost their insurance and had a terrible accident to a kid. VA refuses to restructure the loan as some mortage holders are willing to do. VA outsources loan management to India, by the way. No help.

Salt Lake City, UT

Victims, victims, victims. Perhaps the biggest cause of problems in this country is because everybody is owed something and a viction OF something. Good grief, people, grow up.

America needs a paradigm shift in it's perception of exactly what is "owed" or what "victim" even means. I'm worried about the future of our country, NOT because of who is President but because who the people are becoming.

Salt Lake City, Utah

I vividly remember buying our first house and having the bank put down the dollar figure we were able to borrow. We were shocked and knew we could not afford it so we borrowed much less. Just because the bank puts down a number doesn't mean you have to borrow that amount. Most homeowners are not and were not victims rather didn't make decisions based on their financial situation. Banks don't know how much you spend at 7-11 each morning or how much you donate to charity. They simply approve you based on income not expenses but people forget that simple fact. It is easy to blame someone else rather than take personal responsibility. We learn how to do homework in school but people seem to forget how once they make the largest financial decision of their life. Now thanks to banks and individuals who made very poor decisions I have to figure out how to pay my bills. Thank you very much!

Orem, UT

I know some of you. You are the same people that think every homeless person is a criminal and deserves to be hungry, cold, and friendless. Certainly most every person losing a home to foreclosure could have done things differently...and may, indeed, have made some bad decisions. But they probably didn't choose to lose a job or a business. They probably didn't choose to have a catastrophic illness. They probably didn't choose their distress and sorrow. Even if they were at fault and foolish...why despise them, ridicule them, or shun them? I speak from experience. And I now know who our real friends are. And I thank God for them. We'll dig out of our mess and be better people for the experience...at least partly because of the unconditional love and encouragement of good, faithful, forgiving friends.

Salt Lake City, UT

While banks and mortgage companies are not totally blameless, most of the responsibility for the situations of homeowners rests with the homeowners. Many bought more house than they needed or could really afford. They were too immature to plan for a possible day of financial reckoning because they were busy playing with their new pick-up trucks, ATVs, recreational vehicles, watching their satellite TV, and using their iPhones, and other garbage they didn't need nor could they afford on top of their mortgage payments.

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