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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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hansentw
San Antonio, TX

To "Timj | 10:18 a.m. April 21, 2011" - maybe you should read Section 134, specifically verses 5 and 8 (excerpted below). And, keep in mind that some of the most common words out of the Savior's mouth were "it is written..." referring personally to the scriptures on multiple occasions when clarification or guidance was desired.

If I follow my Saviors example, then I would refer to the Doctrine & Covenants (canonized LDS scripture) and to the Articles of Faith (again, canonized LDS scripture) for guidance, both of which clearly, without ambiguities, state that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside (vs 5) and the commission of crime should be punished according to the nature of the offenseby the laws of that government in which the offense is committed; and for the public peace and tranquility all men should step forward and use their ability in bringing offenders against good laws to punishment. (vs 8)

THAT is scripture, and nowhere does it discount the two great commandments - in fact, allowing someone to suffer their own consequences is an act of the utmost love; any parent will so testify.

Hugo Stiglitz
Ogden, UT

Mexican illegal immigrants are only taking back the land that was stolen from them by the Pioneers who were breaking the law as squatters. Yep, there is a bucket of cold hard truth for you.

RichardB
Murray, UT

There is revelation, and there are decisions made every day in running the church, that are made by men. I believe if this was Revelation, it would of been announced in conference?

It was Gods Church when I was younger, and it's still Gods church, but man has tampered with the interpretation of the doctrine. Preaching one thing, while doing another is not going to teach or help adherence to the Gospel in my opinion.

Our legislature and governor broke federal immigration law by inviting people to come here illegally. (May 11 deadline for new arrivals). If the Church influenced the writing of the law, then they encouraged lawbreaking also.

Gods law is always Gods law, and you can't change it on specific issues to suit your needs, even if you are the church leadership.

John Adams
Miami, FL

@ Hugo Stiglitz | 3:07 p.m. April 21, 2011

Hugo, may I suggest you go back and reread some history, especially that of Mexico and the southwestern United States.

I wonder, where did all these Mexican learn to speak Spanish?

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

When Brigham Young and we Mormons hit Utah in 1847 it was still part of Mexico.

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

The Articles of Faith were not cannonized scripture until fairly recently. Sec 138 of the D and C has been around a lot longer as cannonized scripture. It covers some of the same territory but does not invariably state that all laws must be blindly followed.

azresident
Mesa, AZ

A few random thoughts--and speaking in generalities--Could it be said that Arizona and Utah BOTH have taken positions on immigration which apparently are in violation of some federal laws on some level?

And, the United Order had to cause doubt and controversy in its day, just as polygamy and the blacks receiving the priesthood did. Were these "tests?"

Is the church's position on immigration a test? Or, like the church's position on gay marriage, is this position on immigration a journey into the political arena?

Obviously, I have no answers, only questions.

One thing I am pretty certain about, there a quite a few LDS who are politically involved in Arizona, and they don't support illegal immigration. Awkward---

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

The church has spoken. The thinking has been done.

hubbardesquire
Alabaster, Alabama

As an attorney and member of the Church, the position of the Church on illegal immigration as stated in the news release, appears to be very contradictory, impossible to implement and enforce, illegal, unconstitutional, and unchristian.

CJ
Murray, UT

Hubbardesquire,

Great comment, you are right on. I can tell you this the third time I have tried to comment on the story, the censors are out in force, they don't want to hear how the majority of Utahns and church members feel about this issue. You cannot reconcile this position with the 12th article of faith nor can you justify the church throwing its own law abiding citizens under the bus in favor of illegals. This is just plain wrong on so many levels and will hurt the church a lot in my opinion. They will lose membership over it they just don't seem to care.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

The Church supports a secure border as well as some reasonable accommodation for those who are already here and who are trying to make a decent life. It is a rational position.

If we think that deportation is the answer because these folks are serious lawbreakers, we need to remember that US policy (stretching back to pre-Reagan days) has been a wink and a nod at the border.

For at least two generations, our message to them has been "Dont cross the border, but if you do, there is a job waiting for you".

Now, many have been here for a decade or two. They have children who are either citizens or who have lived here so long that they have no effective recollection of their birthplace.

Should they have a quick and easy path to citizenship? No. Should they pay fines and back taxes? Sure. The adults who have been here long-term should then have a path leading eventually to legal residency. Their kids should have a path to eventual citizenship. Perhaps disallow them access to any type of financial support for a period of years as well.

We can make this work.

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

@BobP I doubt the local native americans considered this area part of mexico.

wer
South Jordan, UT

I can't understand the laws and church position in light of a Hispanic branch president in SL County who is being deported Friday, April 22.

JoRizz
Framingham, MA

Apparently when someone uses SCRIPTURE to show up the Mormon Church they take it personal. My original post biblically condemned the stance the Mormon Church is taking towards Illegal Immigration. I as a NON-Mormon would have thought otherwise but the Illegal Immigration problem in this country obviously has many Mormon hands in the cookie jar.

Joe

BryH
Hillsboro, OR

Since this is not a doctrinal or moral issue (ignore that it's immoral to flagrantly break the law and steal benefits) why is the church taking a stand on this? This is a political issue!

As for the 12th Article of Faith; there doesn't seem to be much room for interpreting "obeying, honoring and sustaining the law." Perhaps people need to reacquaint themselves with the definition of those words.

Concerning the point of loving our neighbor; if my neighbor breaks into my house and steals things, I'm certainly not going to go have a key made for him.

As for tearing families apart, we didn't create the situation. Illegal aliens knew what could happen to their family. They just figure we won't do anything about it.

Remember, this is a political issue! This is not on par with Divine Revelation.

If the prophet makes an official declaration then I'll feel obligated to listen. But, I don't expect that he will. He has more important matters to deal with!

Labrat_5620
Payson, UT

With this endorsement, the church has lost all credibility. When Brandon Davies got kicked off the BYU basketball team for honor code violations (violation was not illegal, just against church policy), many in the USA, although disagreeing with the action, still lauded the church for standing up for its honor code and having the integrity to dismiss a player even though they had a chance of being in the final 4. Now the church is agreeing that it is OK to lie, steal and break the law (identity/social security/job theft and fraud), just pay a fine and all is well. How hypocritical is that?? I am truly disappointed in the church for this.

Chip Douglas
Cedar Hills, UT

Members of the LDS church would do well to review President Bensen's landmark address, Fourteen Fundamentals of a Prophet. Highlights include:

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.

2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works.

3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.

4. The prophet will never lead the Church astray.

7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.

8. The Prophet is not limited by mens reasoning.

10. The prophet may well advise on civic matters.

11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.

12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.

14. The prophet and the presidencythe living prophet and the First Presidencyfollow them and be blessedreject them and suffer.

Please spare me the line that the Prophet hasn't spoken on this issue. He directs the church's affairs. President Bensen would stand with the Prophet on this and every issue!

Rae M.
Taylorsville, UT

i see why church leaders warned months ago to be compassionate. And the church is simply supporting new state law. I don't get it. Would angry posters like the churchto disagree with the State?
Or do angry posters on this board think
the church should do whatpay to deport! Illegal immigrants? The church is not the entity who let the immigrants stay. The State of Utah let them stay. Hey uncivil posters! Now the State of Utah, seeing no. good way out of this mess, may see a need to change a law or two. And the church is doing its. civic duty by supporting the law and
lawmakers of the land.
Someone tell me what the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should do? I
see that the leaders are doing just about what they
need to do. Not that they need my endorsement.
Or any of yours, either. All the criticizing will hurt
only the critics. WE need the Church but it does
not need our endorsement to remain true. "My ways are not your ways."
That's my opinion. Now someone explain, please, why your Creator should do it your way.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

I believe a balanced and thoughtful approach to immigration is exactly what is needed. I've seen people who made it their life's goal to see that there is no immigration, period. I believe a charitable, yet orderly, approach is what the Lord would want us to do. The USA was quite willing to let in other groups of immigrants (German, Poles, Italians, etc.) in the past. If there were an orderly, consistent approach or policy for immigration, I believe those who do and would immigrate could really contribute to our society.

Call me unrealistic, but I still see it that way.

azresident
Mesa, AZ

There is probably very little that is similar when comparing the immigration of the Germans, Poles, and Italians to the immigration of those from south of the border. For one thing, the Germans, Poles, and Italians probably did not march on the steps of the capital making demands as the immigrants (legal and illegal) in Arizona do.

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