Comments about ‘Mormon church reiterates support for Utah immigration bills, including HB116’

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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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RichardB
Murray, UT

I believe in the Gospel, right now I don't believe much in the actions of some men.

If they want to show compassion, then do so with the tithing money, not with American jobs.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

Chances are close to zero that this ever becomes law. It appears this is nothing but a public relations ploy. Whether it leaves a good or bad image remains to be seen.

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Viva la migra @ 11:26 you are right on I couldn't have said it better and I'm so glad someone has common sense.

Confused in AZ
Chandler, AZ

Call me crazy but there is something I just don't understand here. As LDS, we are always instructed to "obey the laws of the land"- but, that only applies if we are legalized citizens? Illegals can crash our borders; feed off our social services; break our laws and the Church approves of this using the theory that we should "love our brothers"? hmmmm. I seem to have a disconnect somewhere as I thought we, in the Church, all lived the same laws. Maybe not? Illegal is illegal and as such the Church should probably not encourage any other way of thinking or it seems to be back pedaling on what we have been taught all our lives. Just my opinion. A legal citizen.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

I choose to follow the counsel of wise church leaders as opposed to listening to the vitriol and hate spewinhg from talk radio. I can't stand Rush Limbaugh and all Sean Hannity is nothing but a professsional critic. To Kathy many illegal immigrants are also victims. About 75 were murdered in cold blood before they could even try to come here. Mexico is a broken country. Most posters on here only care about the United States. The fact that violence, poverty, and corruption exist in Mexico seems pointless to many. We are all brothers and sisters in the gospel, regardless of country of origin and nationality. Punishing people for being poor is not a solution. I choose to support the church and the right to speak out on political issues.

gem2477
Layton, UT

@Mormon88
There's been a lot of responses to the article since you replied to me, but I will respond. No, the church doesn't need to take a political stand on everything, or really anything. People who know the church at all know our moral stances. If there is a bill in direct opposition with the standards, individual members should take a stand and vote occordingly to those standards. The church leaders don't need to get involved. It is not only hypocritical for the leaders of the church to claim to be neutral on issues, but then take stances and support or oppose legislation, but it creates political hatred that the church that we don't need.

gem2477
Layton, UT

@GWB
c'mon. Not everything the brethern says or does is inspired or needs to be substained. They are just men. Sometimes they speak for themselves, and not for God. Tough to handle, but it is true. The prophet could say bannanas are the best fruit in the whole world, but that doesn't make the opinion church doctrine of mean that it came directly from revelation by God.

Timj
South Jordan, UT

I find it interesting that the church has to repeat itself so many times here. Why are people so reluctant to take what the church says at face value? This isn't some general authority giving his opinion on Coke or bananas. This is the church itself making and repeating a statement regarding how we should treat immigrants.

Also, for those enamored with the 12th Article of Faith, I encourage you to dig a little deeper. D&C 134 is a good place to start. Also, remember the two greatest commandments...

jenrmc
Fort Worth, TX

The LDS Church has an obligation to remain out of politics. It is a church not a PAC. If the Church chooses to become political (ex. Prop 8 in California and now the support of legislation) it should lose it's designation as a religious organization. To reiterate other's comments, the Articles of Faith state clearly that the laws of the land are to be obeyed.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

BYU Alum | 12:24 p.m. April 20, 2011
Cedar Hills, UT
I refuse to believe that my Church would side with law breakers. Mercy CANNOT rob justice. I want to throw up.

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2 words then Brother -- Bye Bye.

Oh, and please turn in your Temple Recommend on the way out.

Trooper55
Williams, AZ

I believe that the churches should stay out of the state's business, because it appears that the church believes in breaking the laws are just as guilty as the illegals that come to this country. I've worked hard all my life and I have to follow the laws of this land, why shouldn't churches be held just as accountable as I am? I further believe that there is a way to handle this problems of the illegals and it's not rewarding them for breaking the law, send them back to were they came from and make them come to this country the right way.

docw
Saint Johns, AZ

i'm confused. it has been 48 hours and the church has not issued a statement that they were in error. what will i now say in my temple interview. that i support part of what the Brethryn say and do . Very confusing. And by the way, please don't preach to me, I do everything that all of you "worthy" members do and then some.

Conservative Veteran
Layton, UT

One could argue that a guest worker program is necessary; however, it is still unconstitutional for a state to issue visas to citizens of other nations.

Some thoughts to consider:

1. Would other states have to honor Utah's state visas?
2. Who could apply for them - citizen's in other countries? Illegals already here?
3. What if it runs in conflict with immigration laws set in other states?
4. If it conflicts with other states laws, how will this variance in states laws be resolved?
5. What if other states create laws that Utah visas are invalid in their states and that these individuals are therefore restricted to movement in Utah?
6. Who would be responsible for issuing, managing and tracking these visas?

There are valid reasons why immigration (who can and who cannot enter the United States) is an ennumerated power in the constitution and should remain in authority by the federal government. Passage of this law would create far more problems than it would resolve.

JP
Chandler, AZ

I love that people cite "The laws of the land must be obeyed" as if it were the One Commandment to Rule Them All. Study your New Testament, folks:
Matthew 22:36-40 (King James Version)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Laws are man-made and are changeable. Yes, the church instructs us to obey, honor, and sustain the laws of the land. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make changes to the laws to improve them. The current immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed.

Phill
Provo, UT

So much ignorance is been portrayed on this board. And the pharisees have come out full force too!! That is the reason why I find that those that bind themselves with political ideologies, loose the meaning and understanding, the light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I see this ever more constantly with the Right now-a-days, but I'd say it happens with the left too. Elder Oaks said that there are truths in both conservatism and liberalism.. but some are been blinded and fooled by opinionated TV characters. Some are easy and fast to jump and judge the brethren of the church, and the church. It is an official statement from the church, and I believe that the Prophet has a wider, and more spiritual vision on all things, compared to the narrow mind of some. I have a testimony of the Gospel and of this church, and I support wholeheartedly the brethren and their official statements. For those of you who are questioning, I'm no one to judge you or your testimony of the church, for all that I can do is invite you to pray about it and for it. Seek Wisdom, no men

BoomerJeff
Saint George, UT

Seems odd to me that if a member drinks one cup of coffee, or a can of beer, they are not in good standing with the church. Yet another can break immigration laws, steal someone's social security number (fraud), and work illegally all for financial gain, yet they are considered a member in good standing (and can attend the temple, be in a bishopric or serve a mission). How do I explain this irony to my neigbhors who aren't Mormon?

docw
Saint Johns, AZ

how strange to think that " the constitution will hang by a thread" is because the church ( in this one case) is part of the problem

Mormon Apologist
Orem, UT

Re:RichardB

"It violates the 12th article of faith by rewarding and encouraging illegal immigration. (The law has a May 11th deadline, which encourages people to come here illegally)It's against it's own teachings in the Bishops handbook."

The living prophet being called of God has the right to determine the official position of the Church and to have all of those who are called to exercise any portion of his authority do so in his behalf. It is doctrine that the public relations department of the Church is acting under the direct authority of the President of the Church and those called or hired to fill those positions are exercising his authority. Every calling or position in the church falls under the President. It's him and his direct leader, Jesus Christ, who have made this decision and have allowed this statement to be released. If you do not agree with it then you do not agree with Jesus Christ or His Father.

"This is not the Church I knew as a child."

Of course it is not the church you knew as a Child because its is God's Church and not RichardB's.

docw
Saint Johns, AZ

you could not be more wrong .. this is not the church of Pres. Monson

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

I believe in the official doctrine of the Church, not the individual opinions of Church leaders.

D&C 134 is canonized scripture: "It is NOT JUST for religions to mingle religious influence with civil government..."

I disagree with the stance on illegal immigration being taken by the Public Relations department of the Church organization. I believe their position is in error and contradicts the collective will of the people of Utah, and the best interests of this State.

I do not "sustain" this position by the Public Relations department of the Church. It was never presented for a sustaining vote. It was never presented as a doctrinal or canonized position.

I have no problem at all opposing HB116 and all that it represents. It needs to be repealed, and we need to take a serious look at how our public servants and elected representatives are being manipulated by people in high places, but who should not be mingling religious influence with civil government.

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