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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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Ok
Salt Lake City, Utah

Passage of the guest worker program (HB116) was a mistake. Churches, lawmakers, the attorney general, businesses and others who continue to support it's passage continue in their mistake. The citizens of Utah will continue to pay for this mistake as the federal government takes Utah to court. This HB116 should be quickly repealed. Simply admit the mistake and move on.

RRB
SLC, UT

It looks like the Church has chosen a compassion public relations move, over the families of 105,000 Utahns out of work.

HaveANiceDay
Ogden, UT

One thing is clear to me. Members of the church do think for themselves and don't blindly follow church leaders as many people here have commented in the past.

Maybe the defeat of Prop. 8 had more to do with personal opinion rather than church leadership. And it looks like most Mormons will decide for themselves where they stand on immigration issues.

That may be a hard one to swallow for some people, but it does seem that Mormons do follow the dictates of their own conscience.

Janet
Ontario, OR

Those who are stridently, passionately, recalcitrant on the issue of illegal immigration absolutely refuse to understand that legal immigration from Mexico is virtually impossible under today's law's and policies. They also absolutely refuse to understand that a guest-worker program is not amnesty (amnesty grants a green card, not a work permit). They also absolutely refuse to believe that we need cheap migrant labor. I suspect that such people have never exchanged testimonies or broken bread with undocumented immigrants. I have lived in economically depressed areas where jobs existed that only undocumented immigrants would take. I have known a number of unemployed, white, legal young people to turn down jobs they felt were beneath them, and I have known immigrants -- legal and not -- who would take any work they could. When I was a child, a railroad track ran in front of our house. It was a conduit for migrant workers. Many times, they would stop and ask my mother for food. She would fix them a meal fit for a VIP while they pulled weeds for her. What a kind, compassionate woman she was! Some of us cannot close our minds and harden our hearts.

RRB
SLC, UT

Where is charity and compassion for those out of work and their families? I guess giving them back their jobs is not a good public relations ploy? I don't see this ending here. To many questions left unanswered.

It was strange how we went from an enforcement legislature to a guest worker in one night. People are starting to talk and point fingers.

Drywaller out of work
Provo, UT

The federal Government already has a guest worker program but employers are breaking the law along with the employees.

The State has no interest enforcing laws with illegal immigration or they would have stopped all the big Home Builders from using subs that use illegals. You can't win a drywall bid on a home built by any of those taking up freeway space on billboards along the freeway without using illegals and paying under the table. But they do pay for campaign funds.

The new E-Verify law in the State should be for all companies not for those with 14 or more employees.

The foreclosures or on the brink of foreclosures I know about are directly related to illegal immigration.

I try to keep a good feeling towards others who may or may not be illegal immigrants. It doesn't make the person. Doesn't make them a "criminal" per say. But they do have a direct effect on people's lives and those using them are usually the only ones benefiting in this economy.

Like I said if they don't enforce it on these big builders now when then?

liberate
Sandy, UT

It amazes me how many people on here I assume consider themselves good members of the Church but will pick and choose what they will agree with. When I opposed the position of the Church on gay marriage, everybody told me I was directly opposing the prophet, and I reconsidered. But now I'm sure many of those same exact people are the ones saying they don't need to take advice on politics from the Church. A bit hypocritical but I guess understandable.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

I guess this just goes to show the church is full of contradictions....

Early Church History teaches us that the message of the early Church was to collect in Zion or Utah following baptism......As a Missionary in Australia during the 70's, one of my converts approached an Apostle for guidance on immigrating to Utah, along with his wife and three beautiful daughters.....he was advised to stay in Aussie and grow the Church in his homeland........today the Church has reversed their position once again inviting illegals to break the laws of the USA, come to Utah, and steal SS# from law-biding Citizens?

How can you view this any other way? I am questioning the wisdom of the Church and President Monson....I am missing Pres Hinckley alot right now!

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

No matter what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supported or opposed there would be a riff among citizens of Utah and elsewhere. For those members who have a problem with their support of this issue I would suggest you pray about it. I've given this a lot of thought and have concerns just because the current trend of illegals has brought burden on the economy of each state, vandalism and crime has increased yet we can't blame them for wanting something better for their families. I believe they should do it legally but that's just my opinion. I've tried to put myself in their shoes - it's a sad place to be and it's not my place to judge. So I stand in support of President Monson and the Brethren for I know there are good reasons for their support of the Bill and as an active member of the Church it's not my place to question our Prophet..but to support his decision.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The real message today is this: The end justifies the means.
It is OK to take a job from a citizen, using fake ID...as long as you attend church and pay your tithing.
It is OK to be a financial clerk in your local unit...even though you are paid under the table and are thus violating the tax code.
It is OK to serve a mission as an illegal alien...even though we make special arrangements so you don't fly or drive a car. (Thanks, Bob Bennett, for the indemnification.)
It is good for illegal aliens to live here...because our branches are filled with them and they wouldn't have joined otherwise.
Did the Brethren really want to send that message?

freedomfighter
American Fork, UT

"I like the people who are referring to President Benson as their reason for not following the church's stance on this issue. They should read President Benson's "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," a talk given in 1980. It was quoted by TWO different speakers in the October 2010 General Conference. Here are a couple of those fundamentals: "The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works and The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet. Ezra Taft Benson was a great man and prophet, but the prophet TODAY is Thomas S. Monson. The church doesn't put out statements that President Monson isn't 100% behind. Do you really need President Monson to express directly over the pulpit every stance of the church before you follow?
And to those who get up in arms over illegal immigrants breaking the law, there was another man who would break the law to help others and make their lives better. Jesus was often condemned and criticized for healing on the Sabbath or breaking other stupid rules the leaders had made up. What would He do with illegal immigrants? Send 'em back? Really?" ~kepurz

Walt Nicholes
Orem, UT

It is hard for me to see this being about anything other than economics. If member illegals in Utah don't have work then the wards and stakes end up supporting them. That is an enormous drag on the funds of the church.

And with others I wish there were a statement from the First Presidency, or a statement from the Quorum of the Twelve. Having something come out from the public affairs office is less than faith promoting. And I appreciate the Presiding Bishop stepping out to take any bullets, but it has been years (since LeGrand RIchards) that the statements of the Presiding Bishopric have carried doctrinal weight. If "The Brethren" really feel this way, then let's have "The Brethren" speak up. Every other issue - even the biannual statement on members voting - are signed by the First Presidency. Certainly this issue is as important. Or, perhaps the Brethren are unable to get unanimity.

This is the fist conference in my life when I didn't raise my hand for EVERY sustaining vote.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

I suggest that the church find families to sponsor those coming into this country. Take them off the welfare rolls and take care of them. It is not fair to take our taxes to support something that not all agree on. The best way is for the church to do it the way it was done in the past. Sponsorship without hardship to the rest of the citizens of the country or this state. Check for disease, criminal activity and identification. That would solve all the problems we are facing now.

abinadi
Magna, UT

The Lord already had an immigration policy which he set forth in Alma 27. The Book of Mormon was written specifically for the latter day saints so that we would have a blue print to follow in dealing with today's problems and so that we would know how to handle this issue and others.

Fender Bender
Saint George, UT

Based on the comments here, it sounds like a lot of LDS members who sustained their leaders a couple of weeks ago in conference have sincerely prayed about this issue and received confirmation that those leaders... are wrong?

Rae M.
Taylorsville, UT

To me most of the previous posts disagreeing with the Church are good for nothing but to be cast away. Only the drywaller, the lady who had premature labor and one or two others had valid concerns worth reading. Anyone would think the Church got us into this mess.
One poster is Back East, I think. I shudder to think what his impression is.
I'm glad I'm not to be sentenced by some of the previous posters. I'm sure my sentence would be execution.
And I'm against illegal immigration!

John C. C.
Payson, UT

When our compassion leads us to finally allow enough more new visas, more guest workers and immigrants will finally be legal.

Meanwhile those who hide their prejudices behind "the law" will be scurrying for a new excuse.

Does this issue remind anyone else of the occasional resurgence of tax protesters among some LDS members? They advocate breaking tax laws, justifying their actions despite clear reminders from Church leaders to obey tax laws. I propose that both groups are cut from the same cloth--a willingness to rationalize their personal selfishness despite clear Church teachings.

raybies
Layton, UT

Yay! I'm with the church's stance, and have been arguing vigorously for quite some time now that we show compassion to all men, keep families together and that we're responsible about how law-enforcement is handled.

The law can and should be maintained through principles of righteousness.

Let's do our best to get to know all our neighbors and treat them the same way we'd want to be treated. I'm a better person because my neighbors are immigrants.

No one in this country is "entitled" to a job, regardless of your birthplace--it's about one's ability and willingness to work hard, learn more, and respect one another.

There should be no American Aristocracy.

Our country should be one that loves the downtrodden, cares for the huddled masses, makes means for the handicapped and underprivileged, and still reaches out around the world to care for the afflicted and oppressed. That's the work and will of God and we are an honored and blessed nation to be able to do that sort of work.

Until the whole world hears and is liberated and free.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

I'll attempt to follow the reasoning of those who criticize the Church's policy of compassion.

1. They refuse to look beyond the word illegal.

2. The only acceptable punishment for undocumented presence is deportation.

3. They refuse to consider any change in policy until our borders are secure (and in their view they'll never be completely secure, so the only acceptable change is to make the laws even more harsh).

4. They will not consider the needs of the poor because there are too many.

5. They ignore any evidence that having more legal aliens among us could actually be good because _________________________(fill in the blank).

RRB
SLC, UT

This country gives out over 1 million green cards a year. More than any other country. We give out 160,000 just to Mexico last year. Combine that with the H-2b non agriculture visas that are limited to 66,000 each year to protect American jobs, and no limit H-2a agriculture Visas, and we give out more than we should. We can't let everyone in when they want to come. No country can.

Saying one thing, and doing another is going to create questions. I find myself lost here, because I was taught right from wrong, and this does not seem right. The guest worker bill hurts the illegal immigrants and the citizens, it only benefits business.

And it is amnesty to let people stay here that are illegal immigrants. Residency of any kind is amnesty.

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