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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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boricuan8
Salt Lake City, UT

Reciting the 12th AOF like a broken record won't change the fact that charity, not justice, is the essence of the gospel. Mormon says if we don't have charity we are nothing (Moroni 7:46). Nothing! All the callings we hold, temple visits we make, or church ball tournaments we win wont matter if we arent charitable. The Gospel of Jesus Christ doesnt work that way. All things must fail, Mormon says, but charity never faileth. Do you think all things includes man-made borders, laws, and statutes? Where is charity on Gods list of important commandments? See if this rings a bell: And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself (Matt 22:39). Its not my own opinion or ideology, and its not the first time its been said. This scripture sums it all up: Wherefore, the Lord God hath given a commandment that all men should have charity, which charity is love. And except they should have charity they were nothing. Wherefore, if they should have charity they would not suffer the laborer in Zion to perish" (2 Ne 26:30).

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

I simply disagree with the church's support of HB116.

The LDS Church has not released their statement as a point of doctrine.

When the church adds to the temple recommend questions "Do you support HB116?" and requires an affirmative answer to retain my recommend, I will rethink my position.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

So let me understand this... if a family from Mexico breaks US Federal Law and comes to Utah illegally then ... that's ok ... because we need to love our Mexican neighbors and keep families together. The articles of faith of the LDS church state "we believe in honoring , obeying and sustaining the law of the land". Anyone see a conflict here? So as legal US citizens we should not attempt to prosecute law breakers because that means we don't love our neighbor? It seems to me that "honoring , obeying and sustaining the law" means supporting and obeying existing US law on illegal immigration which means prosecting those that break the law and come here illegally... and sending them back to Mexico. Sending illegals back to Mexico and encouraging them to obey existing US law and make the effort to get their green card and come here legally is the RIGHT thing to do. Encouraging law breaking is the WRONG thing to do.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder if all citizens feel as betrayed as I. First our federal government refuses to stand up for the citizens by enforcing its own laws. Then our federal government sues one of our states that is trying to protect its citizens. It then allows the president of another country to join in supporting the suit. Then our state leaders pass a bill that rewards those who have come to this country illegally, and now my church condones it.

Is the value and integrity of citizenship really fading or am I imagining it?

Miss Piggie
SLC, Utah

@Did I Say That?: "My church may accept it, but I don't... "

It is indeed troubling that a church, any church, will condone and justify lawbreaking... for any reason.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I think the Church is trying to be careful here and not offend Hispanic's simply because of the impact on missionary and temple work in Mexico. It would have probably been better for the Church NOT to comment at all on this political issue and simply state that it hoped illegal immigration could be stopped while treating those already here illegally in a humane manner. As Latter Day Saints, we can't have it both ways - honor, obey and sustain the law of the land while turning our heads to the law breaking thousands who come here illegally. There is no doubt that illegal immigration costs the state of Utah millions in violent crime as well as robbing legal citizens of jobs. There is also no doubt that there are many who come here illegally who are peaceful, hard working and decent human beings. The ONLY answer is for the Federal Govt to solve the problem and not leave to states the impossible task of figuring this thing out.

MCFergy
Salt Lake City, UT

"The churches position use to always be that that we should educate our selves
on the issues, vote and support good causes and that it, the church was
responsible spiritual issues. I chose to follow that stance. I am not blindly
following political advice! If the prophet says, thus saith the Lord, then I
will follow, but political opinions. even from the brethren is not mandatory
for any member."

Neanderthal
SLC, Utah

@EgbertThrockmorton: "It would be NICE, if the illegals here now, would at least try to take advantage of the free ESL classes our taxpayer dollars support, which are available at every single school district in this country."

If you truly were compassionate you would learn the foreigner's language so that you can communicate. It would make them feel more loved and accepted.

"So, if these people choose willingly to self-estrange themselves (that means segregate), from society, they are willingly depriving me of the opportunity to show compassion for their plight."

They self-estrange even if they speak English. I see it every day... Hispanics associating with only Hispanics. Blacks associating only with Blacks. And Whites associating only with Whites.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Also for all those who warn all lds people not to express an opinion contrary to the offical church position I would remind you that the church is not a dictatorship and allows members the right to be democrat, republican, or independent and have their own opinion on matters that don't pertain to the commandments. I can certainly disagree with this church statement on illegal immigration while still supporting and obeying the brethern. In matters like abortion, homosexuality, etc... there is no debate because these are moral matters tied to the commandments.

MCFergy
Salt Lake City, UT

We were each given the intelligence and a sense of reason to exercise our own agency. At this point everyone is free to do just that. Most or our Utah State legislators apparently chose to follow blindly with little concideration for the opinion of their constituents.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

As a nation, we have to become informed regarding policies that relate to our survival. Wholesale invasion of this country (which is still going on) is a serious threat to our survival. Anyone who thinks that state government is capable of measuring, monitoring, and controlling the flow of invaders is woefully naive. They may be well-meaning, but they are naive nevertheless. Any policy that supports the invasion of this country is directly contrary to the welfare of those who are working citizens, those who pay taxes, and those who might welcome the opportunity to come here, but do it legally and follow all the guidelines. Churches would be better served by sticking to the spread of the Gospel of Salvation, rather than trying to take sides in all kinds of political issues. Invasion of this nation is not an ecclesiastical issue--but you better bet it's a matter of national security and national economic survival. Before you ever get all wrapped up in someone's advice or opinions, it pays to ask "Who's paying?" We have a surplus of advisors and payees, but a severe shortage of advisees and payors. Let's listen to the payors.

legalimmigrant
Springville, Utah

Why should illegal aliens receive special treatment? We already have rules to immigrate into the US. Some people keep saying these rules, or laws, are unfair. Of course they are unfair, but only for those that do not qualify for immigration. Should I be allowed to take a job even if I do not qualify for the position? Legal immigrants like myself obeyed the laws, why should illegal aliens be treated differently? I oppose HB116 as I don't agree with rewarding people who break our immigration laws. It sends the wrong message to us legal immigrants and to the rest of the world.

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

When I read most of those who have posted on this issue I am ashamed to associated with them. Such petty mean spirited, selfish comments are hard to take.

If I have a choice to hire a whining self righteous citizen for a job, or a man of questionable standing as to his immigration status; who will give me a day's work for a day's pay, I will take the latter 100 times out of a hundred.

In case you wonder, I am a very hard right conservative. I love proposition 8 and I try to follow the prophet but not blindly. The person who cited Moroni 7 (or 1 Cor. 13) has it dead right. Some of you sicken me.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Whatever happened to "When the Prophet has spoken, the discussion is over"?

I hate to break it to you, but Glenn Beck isn't a General Authority. If you're going to attack those of us who have disagreed with the Church in the past (i.e. Prop. 8), at least be willing to take a look at yourself.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

Guess you could compare this to Adam and Eve. They were told not to partake of the fruit and yet they were told to have children. So they ate the fruit, which was the lesser law, in order to fill the greater law.

I have really had a hard time about this, because we are told to obey the laws of the land.

But there is a much greater law and that is the family unit. So I still do not condone people coming here illegally, but the value and strength of their family, like Adam and Eve creating a family is more important then their being illegal, like eating the forbidden fruit.

So, I will still want people to come here legally, but I will soften my heart for those good families that are here, but didn't go through the proper steps.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@patriot

"I can certainly disagree with this church statement on illegal immigration while still supporting and obeying the brethern. In matters like abortion, homosexuality, etc... there is no debate because these are moral matters tied to the commandments."

Heh, no you can't do that... that's a double standard. You see... wait first off the church supports abortion in the cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother is in jeopardy. So actually the church isn't completely anti-abortion. Anyway secondly... there's a difference between supporting gay marriage, and then wanting the LDS church to marry same-sex couples. Those who advocate the first aren't in disagreement with commandments because it does not affect the church. Besides... LDS members, if I remember right, are supposed to uphold the Constitution, and the only way to uphold the Constitution is to allow gay marriage or to just get marriage out of the gov't and give gay and straight couples civil unions. I'm fine with my position of going against the church on some opinions but I'm not just going to let you weasel out of this double standard you've set.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

The church supports the federal government securing the borders. Well if the gov did, the other points the church supports would not be necessary.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

HB 116 Why do we need guest workers? We need jobs

Sego Lilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Look out Biships, Branch Presidents and relief society presidents - you will be seeing a very large growth within your wards of those who will be needing help with paying bills, putting food on the table because of joblessness.

Eventually, you will see members moving in or out of your wards. The reason for many is that they have had to move in with a family member to make ends meet. I have a friend who is doing that this weekend.

Finding a job is really tough right now for anyone and worse for anyone who is only english speaking so I hope that the church is willing to give me a job as I have been looking for over 3 years and haven't been hired. I actually had one company tell me they wouldn't hire me because I don't speak spanish. And no - it wasn't considered discriminative.

Fender Bender
Saint George, UT

This is an interesting situation.

Many of those who opposed the church's involvement in proposition 8 are now saying it is a good thing the church is getting involved in this political issue.

Many of those who supported proposition 8 based mostly on the church's statements on that issue are now claiming it is ok to oppose the church on political issues where it has taken a stance.

Smells like a lot of hypocrisy.

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