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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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Independent
Henderson, NV

Are those of you who are hung up on the 12th Article of Faith and the obligation of immigrants to honor the law unaware of the processes by which unjust laws can be changed? It's true: Bad laws do exist, and a self-governing people do have the power to change them without running afoul of God's laws, which is precisely what the LDS Church is supporting. It seems the story of the woman taken in adultery was completely lost on some, and they seem far too eager to cast stones. The Pharisees would be proud.

Mormon88
Santa Clara, UT

@gem2477
if legislation comes out in direct opposition to the teachings of the Church the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints must take a stand! This also refers to the upholding of church tenets which were stated in the response if the church believes a bill is needed to uphold these tenets there is no problem with the church taking a stance

Mormon88
Santa Clara, UT

@gem2477
if legislation comes out in direct opposition to the teachings of the Church the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints must take a stand! This also refers to the upholding of church tenets which were stated in the response if the church believes a bill is needed to uphold these tenets there is no problem with the church taking a stance

SLars
Provo, UT

Love thy neighbor goes both ways. It seems the Church and legislature has a lack of love and compassion for those Utahns out of work. I find that very upsetting.

Mormon88
Santa Clara, UT

@SLars have you taken a look at the Church welfare program lately? Also it is not a lack of compassion for one group to show compassion for another. Jesus taught to love all men

Independent
Henderson, NV

Last time I checked, 1) Ezra Taft Benson was dead, and has issued no comment on this current bill, and 2)Thomas S. Monson is President of the Church. I can't fathom that even Ezra Taft Benson would not recognize that.

Of course mercy cannot rob justice, that's why the Church supports changing the laws of the land. Justice cannot rob mercy either.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

There is nothing wrong or prejudicial about defining a legal immigration policy that allows a limited number of potential immigrants to come and contribute to our country. Pretty much every country in the world, including ours has basic requirements that potential immigrants are free from diseases, don't have criminal records, have a basic understanding of the language/culture, etc... Illegals bypass this system completely.

If anything the current practice of allowing our borders to remain wide-open and selectively choosing to not enforce deportation laws against most illegals combined with the chain migration and granting citizenship to children of illegals is creating a policy that disproportionally favors Mexico and other nearby nations. I'm sure there are thousands in the Ivory Coast who would like the escape the mayhem taking place there.

there are also thousands of victims of crimes committed by illegals ranging from identity theft, job losses, and car accidents involving drivers without a license or insurance. There seems to be a trend in our justice system to be more lenient towards illegals when they commit crimes. It seems that this is no spilling over into churches, by easing up traditional standards/values for illegals.

Cowboy Joe
Encampment, WY

Many people on this comment board on contradicting their beliefs. They are supportive when the church gets involved politically when it benefits their beliefs (Proposition 8), but when the church makes a politcal statment contrary to their beliefs they say "the church should be politicaly neutral"

This is the very reason why it is not healthy to follow a strict politcal ideology regardless of the political party. Politics are the ideas of man, but religion are the ideas of a greater being.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

President Monson, in the closing moments of the closing session of the last General Conference (upper caps mine):

"May we be GOOD CITIZENS of the nations in which we live and GOOD NEIGHBORS in our communities... May we be examples of HONESTY AND INTEGRITY wherever we GO and in whatever we do."

Somehow, this doesn't seem to comport with the Church's support of the Utah Compact and HB116 -- both of which, arguably, encourage illegal immigration, arguably for the benefit of greedy businessmen who want cheap labor and in the hope of assuaging the fears of a church apparently fearful for its survival despite scriptural assurances to the contrary.

What is the function of the Church Public Affairs Department? Was this statement crafted with the intimate involvement of the First Presidency?

What is the Church's point regarding Principle #1? Is it to suggest that "Love your neighbor" also happens to apply to the people of Mexico -- that they ought to show a little love for their neighbors by respecting America's borders, laws, and sovereignty?

Or, is the Church hinting that Americans should look the other way at flagrant illegality and the harm this causes the country?

Independent
Henderson, NV

What I find upsetting is that somehow you don't feel it necessary to show compassion for those immigrants who are out of work. Are they not children of God as much as Americans are? When did Jesus or the Church say that we are exempt from showing non-Americans love and compassion?

Littlebit
Salt Lake City, UT

So how is this stance being "politically neutral"?

Moderate Thinking
Bogota, Colombia, AA

Well done to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for taking a righteous stand on this important issues.

Members of the Church need to remember that we are no longer part of an American church. We live in an international world, and we need to consider things more holistically.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

@Mormon88

Among the immigration bills the church has come out against in the past include a bill to repeal the opportunity for illegal aliens to obtain a valid Utah Drivers licenses. Is it church doctrine that illegal aliens must be provided with a valid identity card that allowed some to vote illegally in elections?

Another bill the church routinely opposes is a repeal of in-state tuition for adult illegal aliens who attended High School in Utah. Keep in mind that this same law forces LEGAL immigrations who attended high school in Utah, as well as U.S. citizens who graduated here and move away temporarily (military service) to pay the higher out-of-state rates. Are you saying that it's church doctrine that illegal aliens are given a cheaper educational opportunity perpetually?

I wonder how a Bishop or Stake President would handle a situation where an illegal alien member victimizes another member by stealing their identity? Would the don't ask/don't tell policy still apply, allowing both members into the temple? I'm pretty sure the guy who stole the purse from the wardhouse will not be going to the temple anytime soon.

one day...
South Jordan, UT

Let the hate begin!

"More than 2,400 people have signed an online petition supporting a repeal of HB116" I think Utah is more than 2,400, don't we?

I will follow my leaders, period

mkSdd3
Ogden, UT

HB116 forces illegal immigrants to pay a fine, get a legal federal visa, submit to a background check (no serious felonies allowed), have health insurance, and follow all federal and state statutes. They will no longer be able to accept pay below minimum wage, and would be fighting for jobs without all the advantages that they had before the law was passed.

HB116 puts in place harsher penalties for employers, requires them to prove the worker has proper visas and work permits.

HB116 allows quotas to be set so to control the number of workers based on need. It also creates a fund out of the fees and fines from migrant workers to be used to pay the damages of those injured by identity fraud.

HB116 doesn't grant citizenship, and fines those that were here illegally. The work permits are temporary, and last up to 2 years.

Why is everyone up in arms about these provisions. I don't see the amnesty here. I think everyone should take some time to look at the bill. Maybe the criticism would go down a notch or two.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Mormon church reiterates support for Utah immigration bills, including HB116


Keep in mind

Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime. Internationally, it is comparable to other laws governing the actions of accessories, including the similar provision in England and Wales under the Accessories and Abettors Act 1861.

It is derived from the United States Code (U.S.C.), section two of title 18:

(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.

(b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal.

The Reader
Layton, UT

It is amusing to see the extreme right wing Utah legislators who are members of the LDS Church and thump their chest in pride of that fact with their shorts in a bind having just discovered the Leaders of the LDS Church suggest the idea of compassion toward the Hispanic population of the state of Utah who are in the country illegally.

Did not the Savior show compassion toward all in the World with his act of Atonement toward all who have or will live upon the earth - including those who have crossed the US border without the proper papers!

Orem Native
Orem, UT

Cowboy Joe: That's exactly what I was thinking. I think that many of the same people on here who are upset at the Church were probably critical of the liberals who couldn't understand the Church's stand on Proposition 8. I think in both cases, people need to look into the reasons why their church spoke out. They don't speak out on political issues often, but when they do, it is important.

Kateybug
Riverton, UT

I have mixed feelings on this issue. I was broadsided by an illegal immigrant at 8 1/2 mos. pregnant. The accident caused premature labor. I had to go to the hospital for several hours until the doctors were able to get the contractions stopped. The immigrant fled the state before his court date (probably back to Mexico) so we had to pay for everything that our insurance didn't. My brother and a close friend were also hit by illegal immigrants and the same things (minus pregnancy/labor) happened to them.

With all that said, I will support the leaders of the church in this issue. D&C 1:28 "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, WHETHER BY MY OWN VOICE OR BY THE VOICE OF MY SERVANTS, IT IS THE SAME." Obviously I added the CAPS, but pray all you want. If you get an answer contrary to what church leaders say, it's not coming from God but rather Satan to pull you away from the church.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

Mexico is a rich nation when it comes to natural resources.
They have a wealth of minerals.
They export more oil than they use.
They have fertile farmland and can grow many crops.

Their people are poorly educated and their government is corrupt.
Illegal immigration is their welfare program.

Mexico could and should be one of the richest nations on earth. Educate their people, clean up their government, destroy the drug cartels and you will have a paradise.

Mexico will never solve their own problems if the US keeps current immigration policies. These policies act as a pressure relief valve.

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