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Published: Wednesday, April 20 2011 11:03 a.m. MDT

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LOL
holladay, utah

Let's see ... what's the usual snide remark from the angst-ridden Right-wing?
Oh, yeah. I remember now.
"If you don't like the way things are here - Move!
(or write Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and Fox News and see what they can do about this terrible un-American thing.)

Juliet
Bountiful, UT

We have evolved into a better country because unjust, prejudiced laws eventually change. One example from our fairly recent past is civil rights. Would we defend those laws today? Blacks must sit in the back of the bus. Seriously? Would we call foul and cite the 12th Article of Faith and demand they sit in the back? No. We realize some laws are unjust. We are an evolving nation. Thank heavens! Obviously, those who harbor feelings of deep prejudice will struggle with this evolution.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

It's OK for the state to take jobs away from citizens and give them to foreign citizens with 8% unemployment? This is messed up.

I think the Church better rethink it's position. There is no way they can rationalize this rewarding of amnesty for illegal behavior (a person that steals a job receives amnesty when they are allowed to keep it). This goes against their teachings. Member retention is going to drop with this confusion they are creating.

The Church has no right to support one group over another for work.

stevep38now
Provo, UT

Illegal is illegal, end of story!

stevep38now
Provo, UT

This is not a civil rights issue! Wrong is wrong and no legislation will make it different!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

After being beaten about the head for months no about comments from Ezra Taft Benson about his political views, it will be interesting to see how the "conservatives" react to this. How will they balance their black and white view of the world with a religion that teaches compassion above all?

The funny thing is, nations and boarders are creations of man. Gods work respects no boarders. It is the same with or without some arbitrary line drawn on the globe. People living south of the boarder are no less your brothers or sisters than than family that looks just like yours sitting on the next pew.

Why people confuse religion and politics is beyond me. One is driven my the desires of people, the other by the teachings of a higher call.

HaveANiceDay
Ogden, UT

I see this statement made by the LDS Church not as a support of an individual bill, but an endorsement of an overall philosophy.

I would be surprised if the LDS Church would use it's influence to keep this bill from being overturned. In other words, I don't think HB116 is that important to the church, only the fact that we show compassion to those around us. HB116 makes it possible for those here to stop breaking the law. If HB116 had provisions that the people had to leave the U.S. and come back legally with proper visas, I think the church would still support it.

My point is if there is a better way to address the issue, while keeping families together and still shows compassion the LDS Church would support that option also.

If you don't like HB116, get your representative to replace it with something better.

patrick campbell
Salt Lake City, UT

As one who is in possession of Handbook 1, would someone please give me the reference to where the church is contradicting itself? Just curious...

Oh, and to all of those who have pointed to the 12th AoF, might I remind you of the 10th:
"We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory."

gem2477
Layton, UT

Uh...what are all the statements that are read in church during election time saying the chuch is neutral pollitically and doesn't endorse candidates??

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

The Church has said the Utah compact is a responsible approach, not a perfect approach. The basis of this is the commandment to love thy neighbor, keeping families intact, and securing borders. As stated, Church leaders feel HB 116 is a responsible attempt to address illegal immigration.

Where the national government has ignored immigration for over twenty years and turned a blind eye to the flood of illegal immigration it is no longer possible to just kick out all illegal aliens. Doing something that includes compassion such as the Utah compact may not be perfect but it is a place to start

SLars
Provo, UT

A person here illegally that applies will probably lose their current job. Immigration and labor laws say that a visa worker cannot take a job an American is available to do. And if they do they have to be paid a fair wage (current visa law). Most employers will prefer to pay a person here illegally a sub par wage.

That's going to leave very few jobs for all those who apply, most will be out of work in six months with Americans filling their jobs, and illegal immigrants being hired over them to save money. Without a job and lots of competition, they will be forced to go home, or become illegal once more in another state. This really looks like a scam. How is this compassionate?

Telling themselves it's not amnesty is not going to work, because it is. With less than 1% chance the House and Senate even meet to talk about this, is it worth the hit on the reputation? Teach one thing, support another?

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

patrick campbell, I have no idea what Book One says any longer.
But Book Two has a section om Emigration 21.1.16 and another on Tax evasion 21.1.21.
This official statement winks a both.

BYU Alum
Cedar Hills, UT

I refuse to believe that my Church would side with law breakers. Mercy CANNOT rob justice. I want to throw up.

Mormon88
Santa Clara, UT

I stand behind the church's three point stance
"The commandment to 'love thy neighbor.'

"The importance of keeping families intact.

"The federal government's obligation to secure its borders.
I personally do not see anything wrong or illegal about standing for something
I stand against illegal immigration and i stand for the US Constitution someone please tell me where i am mistaken?

lopaki
Holladay, UT

I am grateful that the LDS Church issued this statement reaffirming its position. I would venture it was done because of those who have recently misrepresented and mischaracterized the position of the LDS including the American Leadership Fund (and its leadership) via its printed piece distributed to the delegates at the Salt Lake County Republican Convention last Saturday. Hopefully the delegates and the rest of Utah will study the issues and the voices being raised and join those that are reflective of the principals of the Utah Compact (which incredibly the enforcement only crowd had rejected in the Convention with 17% of the available votes).

LOL
holladay, utah

BYU Alum refuses to believe that his church would side with "law-breakers" (as he puts it) in this situation probably because he spends way too time listening to talk-radio, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Fox News ...

kepurz
Salem, OR

I like the people who are referring to President Benson as their reason for not following the church's stance on this issue. They should read President Benson's "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," a talk given in 1980. It was quoted by TWO different speakers in the October 2010 General Conference. Here are a couple of those fundamentals: "The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works and The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet. Ezra Taft Benson was a great man and prophet, but the prophet TODAY is Thomas S. Monson. The church doesn't put out statements that President Monson isn't 100% behind. Do you really need President Monson to express directly over the pulpit every stance of the church before you follow?
And to those who get up in arms over illegal immigrants breaking the law, there was another man who would break the law to help others and make their lives better. Jesus was often condemned and criticized for healing on the Sabbath or breaking other stupid rules the leaders had made up. What would He do with illegal immigrants? Send 'em back? Really?

SLars
Provo, UT

@patrick campbell, Handbook 2 is on the Churches web site, you can look it up.

Let's not forget that 95% of the Native Americans have their roots in Siberia, not the house of Israel. And of the remaining 5% they have varied roots.

It sounds like they are trying to protect our governor and the rest of the legislature that voted for HB 116. I really wish we would start seeing compassion for all people in the immigration debate, and stop making it sound like our laws are breaking up families. It's the actions of the individuals that cause that. I was taught we are responsible for our own actions in Sunday School.

gem2477
Layton, UT

The church needs to stay out of politics, no matter what their "position" is. Especially when the claim to be neutral. The church has become more political since Monson has become the president.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

As I recall the Nephites had a problem securing their southern border.
Them dang Lamonites kept sneaking in and wrecking havoc.

Timeless idn't it!

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