Millsap's leading the team in steals can't be ignored. If he'd only get over the
refs, he'd improve dramatically. Sometimes he can't believe he's getting called
for a foul when the replay shows it was one. The coaches need to educate him so
that he can get the refs on his side with a better attitude towards them.Comparing CJ to Melo is funny. Melo can put the ball in the hole in ways
that make you say WOW! Don't recall CJ doing that to me. Maybe a few little
wows, but never WOW!I can see Favors as Millsap's PF backup for
2011-2012 IF a viable 3 and backup are available. Otherwise, it'll be a messed
up lineup again. After awhile, I see Favors working his way into the starter PF
position with Millsap backing him up, and maybe then with Millsap getting 3 time
(his minutes shouldn't be cut too much even if Favors becomes the starter).Let's all hope Hayward's late season success carries over to next year.
With Miles backing him up at 2, we'll be fine at the 2, finally.
@CJ Milesyou cant compare CJ to Melo...why? Melo is better...CJ?
perennial role player...Talent wise they are very far apart...and i doubt CJ
would be a good 3pt shooter...he takes ill advised shots...i saw him shot a
three on the move...without his feet set...i called the shot a miss...and it
was...the line wasnt there...it was obvious from the release...but i am willing
to give CJ one more year...to prove his worth...if not...we should've given
morris almond the shot of 6 years...lol
I think you guys are crazy thinking we should even consider trading Millsap. If
Millsap acted as the center piece of our offensive machine, he would easily
average 24 pts per game and make the all star game. Millsap is a
very good passer and has a nice outside shot and has shown he can shoot the 3.
Putting Millsap at the SF position actually requires other teams to counter and
that's a tuff move for most teams. I believe Millsap can play the 3 in quite a
few situations. He is quicker than most people give him credit for and better
defensively also. He may have a hard time defending some SF but those same
players will really struggle guarding Millsap. I love the philosophy. It's very
similar to the Laker philosophy. They make the other teams counter for their
size. It does not matter that they are slower at the PF and SF positions because
they are bigger and taller making scoring a challenge even if you beet them off
the dribble. I do think we need to bring back AK and play Millsap at the SF/PF
positions depending on matchups.
Getting Milsap to play the 3 is for the purpose of getting Milsap, Favors and
Big Al on the floor together, Favors needs more playing time to develop and we
need his D, playing Paul at the 3 allows all 3 to get more minutes on the floor.
Right now we don't have anyone that is ideal to play the 3. AK is (excluding his
poor shooting), but he is not under contract. That is why I think we need to go
for a long, athletic, good shooting 3 in the draft.Hayward and CJ are best
suited to play the 2.Milsap is a valuable piece to the puzzle, as he can
play multiple positions and he works so hard. He's not ideal at the 3 but he can
give some minutes there. Depending on who the Jazz draft, I would be apposed to
trying Milsap as a 6th man & CJ as a 6th man depending on the match ups.
Bigger, less mobile, start Paul, smaller, more active start CJ, neither are
ideal to play the 3, but together maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
Evans will never make it in the NBA.........Bugoff.......CJ reminds
me of Carmelo in his type of game. CJ is good with the ball in his hand and
taking guys off the dribble. Carmelo was a 29% 3 point shooter in Denver. In
New York he is over 40%. Those are interesting numbers due to change in
offensive philosophy in NY. In Utah, CJ should never shoot the 3, but attack
the basket. He is a great finisher, when going at the basket. He is a horrible
finisher as a set shooter. Now if the system changes, perhaps CJ can be a good
3 point shooter?As far as Millsap. He is a small 4. Never will be
a good 3 except against the Lakers who play Odom at the 3 at times. If the Jazz
need Millsap at the 3, it's time to trade him.
Why do people think that a player (just because his height "fits" a
certain position) can over the course of a couple of months acquire certain
characteristics that he has not had over his entire life???Evans
played center and PF his entire life. I have not seen his ability to shoot from
distance or put the ball on the floor. Isn't that what a SF needs to do? Evans
is a scrap minutes PF who will impress with his dunks, and hopefully become a
defensive pest too. However, given his size and limited skill set, I think his
days in the league are numbered. Similarly, Milsap is a PF- always
has been. He can match up with Ron Artest-type SFs. Otherwise, he could be a
liability there. I hope that he and Favors split time at the 4 next year, and
over time he takes on the 6th man role- which he could be very good at.
If we could only be able to clone Milsap! I would start Milsap at the 1, 2 , 3
,4 and 5! Not really but you gotta love SAP! He is a machine!GO
@Miles Your implied point is well taken. CJ is actually okay on D and I rarely
give him grief on his D. I do have a big problem with his shooting percentage
but this year I began to realize that CJs inconsistency and shooting percentage
was partly a function of the poor design/implementation of the latest version of
the Sloan flex. A big part of the meager + at SF on NET PER is AK.
He is still the best player on the Jazz as rated by raw WP48 and adjusted WP48.
The Jazz can't lose the top 3 WP48 players (Boozer, DWill and AK)
and replace them with players who have 1/2 the WP48 and expect to win much less
make the playoffs. The Jazz can raise the WP48 of AJ and Millsap by
adding wings who can shoot. CJ's WP48 will also improve if he has another
shooter to help open up the inside. Harris has to assist more and raise his
shooting percentage to be an effective PG with the Jazz. Wings who can shoot may
help him also. Signing or replacing AK is a top priority. Another
shooting SG is crucial.
like i said before when you'all get tired of watching his game send him on back
home. i think you will regrett it who is going to replace him? favors he has
done nothing but make a couple of dunks a game fes does that may or may not ever
do anything. big al? big al who ain't that big good luck with that . you say he
cain't guard ain't seen anybody else that guard better when boz was here he
guarded his man and boz man still the same size. now they get big al who has
never played def ain't fixing to start. it's a little much to ask a 6'8 man to
guard the whole team. utah funnels the other team to the middle so two men have
to make the stop on their man and everybody else. who is in the middle? al and
millsap. hard enough in the nba to guard your own man without picking up the
slack for al cj harris raja who is not a great defender. probly the two rookis
will come in shooting 53 percent and great defenders. yea send him packing
Now I have that song stuck in my head. Thanks Jody.
Paul Millsap is a stand-up team player who gives us everything he has every
night. He can post, pass, shoot with great range, and rebound (I want to see
even more of that though). He's a great asset to this team in whatever
Bugoff.....Did I just read that the SF differential was +? Hummmm....Isn't that
where the horrible defender named CJ plays? Bell and Hayward were in the
negative. That's strange.........
Paul may be great trade bait, he has a strong proven style and would complement
some players in the league. Unfortunately for the Jazz his foot speed is not
great and Jefferson took defensive lessons from Boozer so Milsap can't cover his
guy and Jefferson's so those two together spell defeat in this league.If Paul goes so should AK and Elson and Price and CJ. AK has done the best in
the Jazz system but he is spending major minutes hurt now. His body is breaking
down. This season and last he missed over 25 games, and even if the Jazz paid
him $5 million and he sat for $1.5 million of that it would not be fair to other
players.The Jazz also need to find a home for Fes, he has proven
uncoachable, Bell should also go see if he can get on with Kobe and the Lakers
as he was a huge disappointment this season not only to himself but the fans as
well.The team needs revamping and that means it is unlikely to see
success in the next year or two.
There is not reason to trade Millsap as long as he is a team player (SF and
coming off the bench occasionally). Millsap is an above average PF and
improving. The front line is NOT the problem.The Jazz have to add
outside shooting. That improves AJ's shooting percentage (efficieny) as he will
kick the ball out to a real shooter. It opens up the inside for the
AJ/Millsap/Favors. It balances the offense. Go to 82 games and look
up the Jazz Net Per by position. The Jazz are 2+ at PF and C. Both Millsap and
Favors are scoring more than scored on. They are .5+ at SF. This should be
improved and Millsap can help there. They are -4.7 at SG (the big
glaring problem). This is the primary reason why the Sloan system collapsed this
year. The SGs allowed 5 more points than they prevented. The team points
differential for the year was -1.9. The average loss was less than 2 points.
They would be in the playoffs if the SG differential were 0.The PG
position is also negative. That is how much the SG position effected the Sloan
It's a matchup thing. Milsap can't gaurd Odom at the 4. But he can easily
gaurd a Luis Scolla or a Carl Landry at the 4. Milsap's a good defender, his
size just hurts him. You can see him making up for his size by his steals.
People forget that he's the #1 steal person on this team.I think
Corbin's going to play it differently depending on the day. That's what I like
about Corbin.Now, what about on the days when you're versing the
Rockets? Who do you start? Well, you go smaller. Start Harris, Hayward, Favors,
and Jefferson. For the 2/3 position, it could be either Miles or better yet,
draft someone. Miles has got to develop on the bench till he pulls
out of it. He has to play against easier opponents. That's how he'll pull out of
@pbpm you must have forgotten about when Paul had his big time stuffs against
Shaq and many others just youtube it.
Part of the problem is that Millsap thinks he is better than he really is, and
he certainly cannot play the SF spot. Millsap is an undersized 4 best suited
for coming off the bench. Why do you think the Jazz made the trade for Favors
in the first place? It is obvious from the content of this article that Millsap
has a big ego, and that will be a problem for the Jazz.Eventually,
Millsap will have to be told the Favors is the starter, and if he cannot adapt
to playing the 3, he will have to go to the bench. I don't see this ending well
for Millsap and the Jazz: a likely trade is in the offing.
Just an opinion......Milsap CANNOT guard the bigs, never has, never will!! Great
gamer, hustler, tough as can be, but just CANNOT guard the bigs!! Needs to play
the 3 and Hayward needs to start. CJ....guard somebody and maybe you deserve to
stay....so many backbreaking plays on defense by Miles that just killed the
Jazz. AK needs to stay with a paycut and hope he agrees. Fredette, Walker are
out there, we need a big time scorer to go with what we now have, either one of
those kids would be great to have. Both are hard working and have what Hayward
has.....bigtime basketball IQ!!! O'Conner, listen to the fans for a change.....
Bottom line, C.J. will never be starting over Hayward ever again. If anyone is
coming off the bench it is C.J. not Hayward.C.J. Miles you have the
summer to get your mind used to seeing C.J. coming off the bench.
@Captain L, I agree that Evans cannot defend at the 5, I don't think he can
defend at the 4 spot either. The Jazz got killed inside late in the season,
Milsap can score at the 4 but he cant defend against NBA power forwards at
6'7". He got lit up every night. Teams were pushing the ball inside almost
every time at the start of the game. Big Al is good offensively but his defense
leaves a lot to be desired, I wonder if thats because he was forced to guard a 5
instead of a 4. The Jazz have a lot of guys playing out of position.
Jazz Cop: He's not big enough, he's 6'9 at best and 196 lbs, he can't guard the
centers in the league, they just push him around and do what every they want. I
don't understand your thinking to even suggest that Evans can or could be a back
up center in the NBA. It makes not sense at all. If he were 6'9 and 280 lbs then
maybe but even then he would be undersized for a center. Again I don't follow
any logic behind your thinking, it doesn't even come close to making sense. Even
Big Al and Favors are undersized to play the center but they at least have
enough size and bulk to hold their own somewhat. 196 lbs and Evans can't hold
his own against the PF's in the league let a lone the centers.
@capL-don't u see, if he gets that 18 ft jumpshot down then how can u not say he
is a backup center in this league???
I think CJ Miles is a very valuable trade chip...we could trade him for a bag of
cheetos...im just kidding...I think they should do away with Price and
Elson...If we could get Holiday from 76ers or Raymond Felton for Harris pull the
trigger on the trade...i dont think we need a backup PG...we already have it in
Watson...we need a solid SF who is a decent defender and shooter...I really hope
Perry Jones join this year's draft...maybe we could trade one of our picks for
another lotto pick next year...I hope they start Favors and if Paul can really
play the 3...he needs a quicker release on his outside shot...and he would need
speed and quickness to defend the position...If Millsap does improve...this
lineup would do wondersAl JeffFavorsMillsapHaywardHarrisIf we get Tomic...they should really teach him
how to bang and be aggressive on D...because honestly he isnt a good
defender...Boozer is a better defender than Tomic...
Ha ha ha - Of course the 'miles lover' says Milsap is a bench player or trade
him. You wouldn't want him to take your loved C.J. spot. Milsap is NOT a Bench
player and he is WAY more valuable than C.J. - plus he shoots a better
percentage than C.J. - Drop Miles or pick up the option and trade him for a
Klondike Bar. The Jazz needs shooters - NOT a 'Miles' that is good one out of 6
games. Guys like C.J. are a dime a dozen on other teams beaches. C.J. is NOT a
Starter on ANY Playoff team, his your 7th or 8th man.Teams want a
Milsap, not a Miles. The only down side to Paul is his size - which makes him a
'3'. The best thing to do is to start Al, Favors & Milsap together, then
after about 8 minutes in the first quarter rotate between Milsap and Favors at
the '4' spot - depending on how you match against the other team each game; and
the fouls they have. That way the Jazz can go Big or small depending the other
I really like the idea of Favors, AJ, and Millsap sharing all the minutes at the
4 and 5. With Fes on the floor some when AJ is out. Hayward, CJ and a free
agent sharing the minutes at the 2 and 3. Draft a point guard in the draft to
back-up Harris. With 9 players who can give minutes, the Jazz will have a bench
again. You need at least two scorers off the bench. I like CJ starting and
Hayward and Millsap off the bench.
Millsap is a bench player. He was successful in the past because he came off
the bench and guarded 4's who were bench players too. When he has to guard the
elite pf's, he is too small to stop them.Millsap is not a 3. What a
joke. Millsap is a banger, not a guy who wears a skirt.For 6 years
the Jazz played AK out of position. How did that work out? It didn't.Hayward and CJ should be playing the 2 and some 3. The Jazz need a starting 3
and to get Fes up to speed in the offseason.The Jazz will be back in
the playoffs next year.
JazzCop: You must not listen or read much about what is said by the players or
the FO about the different players, if you think Evans can play center, your way
off. Center is not even in the picture for Evans, he is 6'9 at the most and
196lbs and he can't gain weight. In his locker room clean out interview he said
he feels like the best thing for him is to work on being able to play the 3,
working on his shot, his ball handling, his outside game etc. He says the
hardest and most unlikely thing is that he could gain weight. Evans has shown he
has a good shot from 18to20 ft but he needs increase his range and be able to
put the ball on the floor and attack, hit shots coming off of picks etc. That
shouldn't be that hard for him. The biggest thing may be getting him to overcome
his hesitancy to shoot. He shows good quickness and his length is what we need
at the 3, I hope he works hard and comes back with more confidence in his
I see evans as a backup center, his serious hops and skillset is the best fit
and he's worth keeping on the floor, good things happen but to play center he
only needs to add more weight which is more reasonable than asking him to
develop a whole skill set and then sit back and make excuses later on down the
road, i'm tired of hearing excuses on these boards and posts that sound more
like fantasies than realities. alot of times my head is already hammering
in the morning and i come get drilled by nonsense on top of it. there is
only one correct opinion on the jazz that is the truth, since the one correct
opinion happens to be the one i have, it means i get to criticize with
authority. i am going to hold koc to the statement that the jazz are
committed to putting players in their correct positions, but in honesty, if the
jazz keep ak47 then they don't need millsap, and they don't put players out of
position.millsap is hungry but all the apologies for him turn my stomach.
In order for the Jazz to compete (as in Lakers), they need to have a
"big" lineup. Milsap would be hard to handle with two other
"bigs". Favors is now the future savior. The team needs to be built
around him who is all of 19 years old. It would be nice to get Kanter and
Knight from Kentucky with their two picks in the draft. Obviously in order to
do this, they need to "trade up".
milsap should try and loose 20 pounds and play the small forward position bc
based on this years draft its more likely that we draft someone that will play
pf/c and a combo guard and we need a small forward worse then we need any pf or
centers even if we drafted a rookie small forward.. now that perry jones is
staying in school especially ... I think he could become a nightmare for other
teams to guard if he could loose weight and keep most of his strength but add
lateral quickness... i remember kobe bryant used to try different weights in his
younger days as well...
Paul's value may be as high as it ever has been and for that matter trading him
may be a good idea but I don't think the Jazz will trade him. Paul is the kind
of player we need, he works hard, is tough, plays injured, is versatile and
consistent. Using Paul at the 3 10 minutes a game and splitting the rest of the
time with Favors and Big Al should give all of them 37+ minutes per game but
whether they will give Milsap 10 minutes per game at the 3 is the question.
Corbin seems to want to do it only if the match up demands it. I would
like to see Evans work hard on becoming a 3 man, if he will become aggressive at
shooting and learn to put the ball on the floor and attack, he could be what we
need at the 3.Love Hayward at the 2, he has good handles, shoots the 3
well, creates for himself and others, plays good D, all he needs is consistent
playing time and he will continue to improve.Favors gives us much needed D
on the inside,he needs to play.
I think that Milsap is the type of player that can change his game to be a small
forward. Every year he comes back stronger and better and adds some thing new to
his game. He is far better than Al in his game if we were to choose between the
two. He deserves to be here. I hope that we keep him here.
Bugoff.........Boozer got lit up by Tyler in the game today. Boozer doesn't
play defense in Chicago either. Noah plays hard enough for both of them so
Boozer doesn't look bad.Trade Millsap...........
The problem of guarding 3s in the corner is not because of Millsap. It is
because Sloan's Defensive scheme funnels to the middle. That leaves the corner 3
and most 3s open. It is an unorthodox NBA defense that has not serve the Jazz
well. When was the last time the Jazz were known for their ACTUAL
defense instead of their image? The Sloan biases hurt this team. His defensive
scheme continues to plague this team. Corbin knows the defense needs to be
changed. Let's see if he is wise enough to change it and defend the 3.Millsap can play SF a lot more with a normal defensive scheme. The
draft will tell a lot. If the Jazz draft a 6'10 SF it is unlikely Millsap
becomes an SF. There are 96 minutes of PF/C that can be distributed among
AJ/Millsap/Favors. However, Corbin tends to play match ups which I really like.
So Millsap could play SF maybe 1/2 of the time if the Defense is changed. Compare the Bulls D to the Jazz. Boozer is/was the PF on both teams. The
difference is in coaching philosophies. The Bulls Defend.
I see Milsap's and Jefferson's numbers going down next year, as Favor's' minutes
go up. I see Fes returning and taking more of Jefferson's minutes at center. Milsap has been a wonderful and tough player for the Jazz, and I'm glad
he is flexible about where he might play. The Jazz need a couple of guys who can
curl out from behind the basket around a screen and hit the little jumper like
Harpring used to do. Milsap can do it pretty well. I bet next year he'll do it
even better. His play in the post is stellar when he is healthy and not having
to play against a Gasol type. Switching to small forward against the Lakers was
one of the interesting developments of this mostly sad and turbulent season.