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  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 21, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Millsap's leading the team in steals can't be ignored. If he'd only get over the refs, he'd improve dramatically. Sometimes he can't believe he's getting called for a foul when the replay shows it was one. The coaches need to educate him so that he can get the refs on his side with a better attitude towards them.

    Comparing CJ to Melo is funny. Melo can put the ball in the hole in ways that make you say WOW! Don't recall CJ doing that to me. Maybe a few little wows, but never WOW!

    I can see Favors as Millsap's PF backup for 2011-2012 IF a viable 3 and backup are available. Otherwise, it'll be a messed up lineup again. After awhile, I see Favors working his way into the starter PF position with Millsap backing him up, and maybe then with Millsap getting 3 time (his minutes shouldn't be cut too much even if Favors becomes the starter).

    Let's all hope Hayward's late season success carries over to next year. With Miles backing him up at 2, we'll be fine at the 2, finally.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 20, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    you cant compare CJ to Melo...why? Melo is better...CJ? perennial role player...Talent wise they are very far apart...and i doubt CJ would be a good 3pt shooter...he takes ill advised shots...i saw him shot a three on the move...without his feet set...i called the shot a miss...and it was...the line wasnt there...it was obvious from the release...but i am willing to give CJ one more year...to prove his worth...if not...we should've given morris almond the shot of 6 years...lol

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    I think you guys are crazy thinking we should even consider trading Millsap. If Millsap acted as the center piece of our offensive machine, he would easily average 24 pts per game and make the all star game.

    Millsap is a very good passer and has a nice outside shot and has shown he can shoot the 3. Putting Millsap at the SF position actually requires other teams to counter and that's a tuff move for most teams. I believe Millsap can play the 3 in quite a few situations. He is quicker than most people give him credit for and better defensively also. He may have a hard time defending some SF but those same players will really struggle guarding Millsap. I love the philosophy. It's very similar to the Laker philosophy. They make the other teams counter for their size. It does not matter that they are slower at the PF and SF positions because they are bigger and taller making scoring a challenge even if you beet them off the dribble. I do think we need to bring back AK and play Millsap at the SF/PF positions depending on matchups.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Getting Milsap to play the 3 is for the purpose of getting Milsap, Favors and Big Al on the floor together, Favors needs more playing time to develop and we need his D, playing Paul at the 3 allows all 3 to get more minutes on the floor. Right now we don't have anyone that is ideal to play the 3. AK is (excluding his poor shooting), but he is not under contract. That is why I think we need to go for a long, athletic, good shooting 3 in the draft.
    Hayward and CJ are best suited to play the 2.
    Milsap is a valuable piece to the puzzle, as he can play multiple positions and he works so hard. He's not ideal at the 3 but he can give some minutes there. Depending on who the Jazz draft, I would be apposed to trying Milsap as a 6th man & CJ as a 6th man depending on the match ups. Bigger, less mobile, start Paul, smaller, more active start CJ, neither are ideal to play the 3, but together maybe it wouldn't be too bad.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    Evans will never make it in the NBA.........

    Bugoff.......CJ reminds me of Carmelo in his type of game. CJ is good with the ball in his hand and taking guys off the dribble. Carmelo was a 29% 3 point shooter in Denver. In New York he is over 40%. Those are interesting numbers due to change in offensive philosophy in NY. In Utah, CJ should never shoot the 3, but attack the basket. He is a great finisher, when going at the basket. He is a horrible finisher as a set shooter. Now if the system changes, perhaps CJ can be a good 3 point shooter?

    As far as Millsap. He is a small 4. Never will be a good 3 except against the Lakers who play Odom at the 3 at times. If the Jazz need Millsap at the 3, it's time to trade him.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    April 18, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Why do people think that a player (just because his height "fits" a certain position) can over the course of a couple of months acquire certain characteristics that he has not had over his entire life???

    Evans played center and PF his entire life. I have not seen his ability to shoot from distance or put the ball on the floor. Isn't that what a SF needs to do? Evans is a scrap minutes PF who will impress with his dunks, and hopefully become a defensive pest too. However, given his size and limited skill set, I think his days in the league are numbered.

    Similarly, Milsap is a PF- always has been. He can match up with Ron Artest-type SFs. Otherwise, he could be a liability there. I hope that he and Favors split time at the 4 next year, and over time he takes on the 6th man role- which he could be very good at.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    If we could only be able to clone Milsap! I would start Milsap at the 1, 2 , 3 ,4 and 5! Not really but you gotta love SAP! He is a machine!

    GO JAZZ!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 18, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    @Miles Your implied point is well taken. CJ is actually okay on D and I rarely give him grief on his D. I do have a big problem with his shooting percentage but this year I began to realize that CJs inconsistency and shooting percentage was partly a function of the poor design/implementation of the latest version of the Sloan flex.

    A big part of the meager + at SF on NET PER is AK. He is still the best player on the Jazz as rated by raw WP48 and adjusted WP48.

    The Jazz can't lose the top 3 WP48 players (Boozer, DWill and AK) and replace them with players who have 1/2 the WP48 and expect to win much less make the playoffs.

    The Jazz can raise the WP48 of AJ and Millsap by adding wings who can shoot. CJ's WP48 will also improve if he has another shooter to help open up the inside. Harris has to assist more and raise his shooting percentage to be an effective PG with the Jazz. Wings who can shoot may help him also.

    Signing or replacing AK is a top priority. Another shooting SG is crucial.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    April 18, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    like i said before when you'all get tired of watching his game send him on back home. i think you will regrett it who is going to replace him? favors he has done nothing but make a couple of dunks a game fes does that may or may not ever do anything. big al? big al who ain't that big good luck with that . you say he cain't guard ain't seen anybody else that guard better when boz was here he guarded his man and boz man still the same size. now they get big al who has never played def ain't fixing to start. it's a little much to ask a 6'8 man to guard the whole team. utah funnels the other team to the middle so two men have to make the stop on their man and everybody else. who is in the middle? al and millsap. hard enough in the nba to guard your own man without picking up the slack for al cj harris raja who is not a great defender. probly the two rookis will come in shooting 53 percent and great defenders. yea send him packing

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Now I have that song stuck in my head. Thanks Jody.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Paul Millsap is a stand-up team player who gives us everything he has every night. He can post, pass, shoot with great range, and rebound (I want to see even more of that though). He's a great asset to this team in whatever position.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 17, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    Bugoff.....Did I just read that the SF differential was +? Hummmm....Isn't that where the horrible defender named CJ plays? Bell and Hayward were in the negative. That's strange.........

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 17, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    Paul may be great trade bait, he has a strong proven style and would complement some players in the league. Unfortunately for the Jazz his foot speed is not great and Jefferson took defensive lessons from Boozer so Milsap can't cover his guy and Jefferson's so those two together spell defeat in this league.

    If Paul goes so should AK and Elson and Price and CJ. AK has done the best in the Jazz system but he is spending major minutes hurt now. His body is breaking down. This season and last he missed over 25 games, and even if the Jazz paid him $5 million and he sat for $1.5 million of that it would not be fair to other players.

    The Jazz also need to find a home for Fes, he has proven uncoachable, Bell should also go see if he can get on with Kobe and the Lakers as he was a huge disappointment this season not only to himself but the fans as well.

    The team needs revamping and that means it is unlikely to see success in the next year or two.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 17, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    There is not reason to trade Millsap as long as he is a team player (SF and coming off the bench occasionally). Millsap is an above average PF and improving. The front line is NOT the problem.

    The Jazz have to add outside shooting. That improves AJ's shooting percentage (efficieny) as he will kick the ball out to a real shooter. It opens up the inside for the AJ/Millsap/Favors. It balances the offense.

    Go to 82 games and look up the Jazz Net Per by position. The Jazz are 2+ at PF and C. Both Millsap and Favors are scoring more than scored on. They are .5+ at SF. This should be improved and Millsap can help there.

    They are -4.7 at SG (the big glaring problem). This is the primary reason why the Sloan system collapsed this year. The SGs allowed 5 more points than they prevented. The team points differential for the year was -1.9. The average loss was less than 2 points. They would be in the playoffs if the SG differential were 0.

    The PG position is also negative. That is how much the SG position effected the Sloan system.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    April 17, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    It's a matchup thing.
    Milsap can't gaurd Odom at the 4. But he can easily gaurd a Luis Scolla or a Carl Landry at the 4. Milsap's a good defender, his size just hurts him. You can see him making up for his size by his steals. People forget that he's the #1 steal person on this team.

    I think Corbin's going to play it differently depending on the day. That's what I like about Corbin.

    Now, what about on the days when you're versing the Rockets? Who do you start? Well, you go smaller. Start Harris, Hayward, Favors, and Jefferson. For the 2/3 position, it could be either Miles or better yet, draft someone.

    Miles has got to develop on the bench till he pulls out of it. He has to play against easier opponents. That's how he'll pull out of his inconsistency.

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    April 17, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    @pbpm you must have forgotten about when Paul had his big time stuffs against Shaq and many others just youtube it.

  • doc33 Las Vegas, NV
    April 17, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    Part of the problem is that Millsap thinks he is better than he really is, and he certainly cannot play the SF spot. Millsap is an undersized 4 best suited for coming off the bench. Why do you think the Jazz made the trade for Favors in the first place? It is obvious from the content of this article that Millsap has a big ego, and that will be a problem for the Jazz.

    Eventually, Millsap will have to be told the Favors is the starter, and if he cannot adapt to playing the 3, he will have to go to the bench. I don't see this ending well for Millsap and the Jazz: a likely trade is in the offing.

  • pbpm Coos Bay, OR
    April 17, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    Just an opinion......Milsap CANNOT guard the bigs, never has, never will!! Great gamer, hustler, tough as can be, but just CANNOT guard the bigs!! Needs to play the 3 and Hayward needs to start. CJ....guard somebody and maybe you deserve to stay....so many backbreaking plays on defense by Miles that just killed the Jazz. AK needs to stay with a paycut and hope he agrees. Fredette, Walker are out there, we need a big time scorer to go with what we now have, either one of those kids would be great to have. Both are hard working and have what Hayward has.....bigtime basketball IQ!!! O'Conner, listen to the fans for a change.....

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    April 17, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    Bottom line, C.J. will never be starting over Hayward ever again. If anyone is coming off the bench it is C.J. not Hayward.

    C.J. Miles you have the summer to get your mind used to seeing C.J. coming off the bench.

  • Scandrus Cedar Hills, Utah
    April 17, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    @Captain L, I agree that Evans cannot defend at the 5, I don't think he can defend at the 4 spot either. The Jazz got killed inside late in the season, Milsap can score at the 4 but he cant defend against NBA power forwards at 6'7". He got lit up every night. Teams were pushing the ball inside almost every time at the start of the game. Big Al is good offensively but his defense leaves a lot to be desired, I wonder if thats because he was forced to guard a 5 instead of a 4. The Jazz have a lot of guys playing out of position.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 17, 2011 7:32 p.m.

    Jazz Cop: He's not big enough, he's 6'9 at best and 196 lbs, he can't guard the centers in the league, they just push him around and do what every they want. I don't understand your thinking to even suggest that Evans can or could be a back up center in the NBA. It makes not sense at all. If he were 6'9 and 280 lbs then maybe but even then he would be undersized for a center. Again I don't follow any logic behind your thinking, it doesn't even come close to making sense. Even Big Al and Favors are undersized to play the center but they at least have enough size and bulk to hold their own somewhat. 196 lbs and Evans can't hold his own against the PF's in the league let a lone the centers.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 17, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    @capL-don't u see, if he gets that 18 ft jumpshot down then how can u not say he is a backup center in this league???

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 17, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    I think CJ Miles is a very valuable trade chip...we could trade him for a bag of cheetos...im just kidding...I think they should do away with Price and Elson...If we could get Holiday from 76ers or Raymond Felton for Harris pull the trigger on the trade...i dont think we need a backup PG...we already have it in Watson...we need a solid SF who is a decent defender and shooter...I really hope Perry Jones join this year's draft...maybe we could trade one of our picks for another lotto pick next year...I hope they start Favors and if Paul can really play the 3...he needs a quicker release on his outside shot...and he would need speed and quickness to defend the position...If Millsap does improve...this lineup would do wonders

    Al Jeff
    Favors
    Millsap
    Hayward
    Harris

    If we get Tomic...they should really teach him how to bang and be aggressive on D...because honestly he isnt a good defender...Boozer is a better defender than Tomic...

  • Steve Jensen Herriman, UT
    April 17, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Ha ha ha - Of course the 'miles lover' says Milsap is a bench player or trade him. You wouldn't want him to take your loved C.J. spot. Milsap is NOT a Bench player and he is WAY more valuable than C.J. - plus he shoots a better percentage than C.J. - Drop Miles or pick up the option and trade him for a Klondike Bar. The Jazz needs shooters - NOT a 'Miles' that is good one out of 6 games. Guys like C.J. are a dime a dozen on other teams beaches. C.J. is NOT a Starter on ANY Playoff team, his your 7th or 8th man.

    Teams want a Milsap, not a Miles. The only down side to Paul is his size - which makes him a '3'. The best thing to do is to start Al, Favors & Milsap together, then after about 8 minutes in the first quarter rotate between Milsap and Favors at the '4' spot - depending on how you match against the other team each game; and the fouls they have. That way the Jazz can go Big or small depending the other team ect.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 17, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    I really like the idea of Favors, AJ, and Millsap sharing all the minutes at the 4 and 5. With Fes on the floor some when AJ is out. Hayward, CJ and a free agent sharing the minutes at the 2 and 3. Draft a point guard in the draft to back-up Harris. With 9 players who can give minutes, the Jazz will have a bench again. You need at least two scorers off the bench. I like CJ starting and Hayward and Millsap off the bench.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 17, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Millsap is a bench player. He was successful in the past because he came off the bench and guarded 4's who were bench players too. When he has to guard the elite pf's, he is too small to stop them.

    Millsap is not a 3. What a joke. Millsap is a banger, not a guy who wears a skirt.

    For 6 years the Jazz played AK out of position. How did that work out? It didn't.

    Hayward and CJ should be playing the 2 and some 3. The Jazz need a starting 3 and to get Fes up to speed in the offseason.

    The Jazz will be back in the playoffs next year.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 17, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    JazzCop: You must not listen or read much about what is said by the players or the FO about the different players, if you think Evans can play center, your way off. Center is not even in the picture for Evans, he is 6'9 at the most and 196lbs and he can't gain weight. In his locker room clean out interview he said he feels like the best thing for him is to work on being able to play the 3, working on his shot, his ball handling, his outside game etc. He says the hardest and most unlikely thing is that he could gain weight. Evans has shown he has a good shot from 18to20 ft but he needs increase his range and be able to put the ball on the floor and attack, hit shots coming off of picks etc. That shouldn't be that hard for him. The biggest thing may be getting him to overcome his hesitancy to shoot. He shows good quickness and his length is what we need at the 3, I hope he works hard and comes back with more confidence in his shooting.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 17, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    I see evans as a backup center, his serious hops and skillset is the best fit and he's worth keeping on the floor, good things happen but to play center he only needs to add more weight which is more reasonable than asking him to develop a whole skill set and then sit back and make excuses later on down the road, i'm tired of hearing excuses on these boards and posts that sound more like fantasies than realities.
    alot of times my head is already hammering in the morning and i come get drilled by nonsense on top of it.
    there is only one correct opinion on the jazz that is the truth, since the one correct opinion happens to be the one i have, it means i get to criticize with authority.
    i am going to hold koc to the statement that the jazz are committed to putting players in their correct positions, but in honesty, if the jazz keep ak47 then they don't need millsap, and they don't put players out of position.
    millsap is hungry but all the apologies for him turn my stomach.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 17, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    In order for the Jazz to compete (as in Lakers), they need to have a "big" lineup. Milsap would be hard to handle with two other "bigs". Favors is now the future savior. The team needs to be built around him who is all of 19 years old. It would be nice to get Kanter and Knight from Kentucky with their two picks in the draft. Obviously in order to do this, they need to "trade up".

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 17, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    milsap should try and loose 20 pounds and play the small forward position bc based on this years draft its more likely that we draft someone that will play pf/c and a combo guard and we need a small forward worse then we need any pf or centers even if we drafted a rookie small forward.. now that perry jones is staying in school especially ... I think he could become a nightmare for other teams to guard if he could loose weight and keep most of his strength but add lateral quickness... i remember kobe bryant used to try different weights in his younger days as well...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 17, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Paul's value may be as high as it ever has been and for that matter trading him may be a good idea but I don't think the Jazz will trade him. Paul is the kind of player we need, he works hard, is tough, plays injured, is versatile and consistent. Using Paul at the 3 10 minutes a game and splitting the rest of the time with Favors and Big Al should give all of them 37+ minutes per game but whether they will give Milsap 10 minutes per game at the 3 is the question. Corbin seems to want to do it only if the match up demands it.
    I would like to see Evans work hard on becoming a 3 man, if he will become aggressive at shooting and learn to put the ball on the floor and attack, he could be what we need at the 3.
    Love Hayward at the 2, he has good handles, shoots the 3 well, creates for himself and others, plays good D, all he needs is consistent playing time and he will continue to improve.
    Favors gives us much needed D on the inside,he needs to play.

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    April 17, 2011 5:00 a.m.

    I think that Milsap is the type of player that can change his game to be a small forward. Every year he comes back stronger and better and adds some thing new to his game. He is far better than Al in his game if we were to choose between the two. He deserves to be here. I hope that we keep him here.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 17, 2011 2:50 a.m.

    Bugoff.........Boozer got lit up by Tyler in the game today. Boozer doesn't play defense in Chicago either. Noah plays hard enough for both of them so Boozer doesn't look bad.

    Trade Millsap...........

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 16, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    The problem of guarding 3s in the corner is not because of Millsap. It is because Sloan's Defensive scheme funnels to the middle. That leaves the corner 3 and most 3s open. It is an unorthodox NBA defense that has not serve the Jazz well.

    When was the last time the Jazz were known for their ACTUAL defense instead of their image? The Sloan biases hurt this team. His defensive scheme continues to plague this team. Corbin knows the defense needs to be changed. Let's see if he is wise enough to change it and defend the 3.

    Millsap can play SF a lot more with a normal defensive scheme.

    The draft will tell a lot. If the Jazz draft a 6'10 SF it is unlikely Millsap becomes an SF. There are 96 minutes of PF/C that can be distributed among AJ/Millsap/Favors. However, Corbin tends to play match ups which I really like. So Millsap could play SF maybe 1/2 of the time if the Defense is changed.

    Compare the Bulls D to the Jazz. Boozer is/was the PF on both teams. The difference is in coaching philosophies. The Bulls Defend.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    April 16, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    I see Milsap's and Jefferson's numbers going down next year, as Favor's' minutes go up. I see Fes returning and taking more of Jefferson's minutes at center.

    Milsap has been a wonderful and tough player for the Jazz, and I'm glad he is flexible about where he might play. The Jazz need a couple of guys who can curl out from behind the basket around a screen and hit the little jumper like Harpring used to do. Milsap can do it pretty well. I bet next year he'll do it even better. His play in the post is stellar when he is healthy and not having to play against a Gasol type. Switching to small forward against the Lakers was one of the interesting developments of this mostly sad and turbulent season.