Of course, if you are teaching history, and some issue about gay people is
relevant, it should be taught objectively and truthfully. But what am I to
understand from this:"Class materials that reflect negatively
on gay, bisexual and transgender people would not be allowed starting in the
2013-14 school year."Does this mean, for example, that the
history teacher could not truthfully teach about the AIDS epidemic among gay
populations (at least) in the 1980s? Are there any other groups in the universe
about which a teacher in the U.S. is legally forbidden from saying anything that
could "reflect negatively"? Starting to sound Orwellian to me.
If this is going to be done, the LBGT must be held accountable for the accuracy
of their history. This includes items in the Gay Right Platforms which have
included, repealing all laws limiting the age of consent andrepealing all laws
governing the gender and number of persons(yes poligamy)who can enter into
marriage. This history also must include such Gay rights notables as Harry Hay
(NAMBLA supporter & member of communist party) and David Thorstad(gay rights
activist and founder of NAMBLA). This history should also include the manner in
which the gay activists changed the APA's position on homosexuality being a
mental disorder not by mountains of paradigm changing research, but by
intimidatin, violence, infiltration, deception and political pressure. Sure
there are many positive things that need to be in this history, but to ignore
the deep hidden undercurrents in LBGT history is not honest and the LBGT
community does not want to talk about many incidents and people in the gay
rights activist history. Also any mention of Kinsey must be done with complete
objectivity and honesty as his work was a fraud and esentially propaganda.
This is just crazy. What a waste of tax-payers hard earned money. Don't they
have more pressing issues right now? Figure out how to help your unemployed get
jobs or more schooling/training. Education is a way out of poverty and
ignorance. How is knowing gay history going to help our children get a job one
day? Is it going to help them compete in a global economy? Putting Gay
history into the history books opens up a way for every group who has
experienced prejustice against them, to be in our history books. Who's to say
that Gays deserve to be in our childrens curriculium any more than any other
groups? What about all religious groups, Baptists, Jehovas Whitnesses, Mormons,
Atheists, Muslims, and their history? How about any group that has seen bigotry.
Why is this even and issue?! I can't belive the legislature is even
debating this.If the Gay community actually cared about the children of
our country and their future, they would be trying to get laws passed that would
help enable american children to succeed in this new and high tech world we live
Gay activists repeatedly informed us that gay marriage would never mean that our
children would be given propaganda supportive of homosexuality in school. I've mentioned an article called "Creating Gay Children"
several times. The author discusses gay activism in media and desensitizing
goals. I thought it was a little extreme, but it looks like the author was more
correct than I thought. This sort of propaganda has been shown to
increase the numbers of your children who think they were born gay, it does
craft gay children, and homosexual activity is a sad, deadly game. There are gays commenting in media 24/7. When they become spouses, they will
be home, not raising the children they created, but creating gay children out of
yours, with your tax funding.
Based on California's inability to manage their budget they would be wise to
spend their limited financial resources on teaching their students the basics
which are reading, writing and arithmetic.Many parents feel that sex
and morality are interconnected, and don't feel that it is the school's place to
try and indoctrinate their children.
** Class materials that reflect negatively on gay, bisexual and transgender
people would not be allowed starting in the 2013-14 school year. *In
other words, gay history teaching as this bill would require is not really
intended to promote understanding or tolerance, but to present the story of a
class of people without including any warts or faults. Young students without
critical thinking skills will be led to believe there are no warts or faults. No
other group of people gets this kind of special protection in the textbooks.This isnt history. It is the manipulation of school curriculum to
promote a social and political agenda and it is intellectually and academically
If history agrees with my morals then it is real history. If it does not agree
with it, then it is agenda driven and a sign of end of the world as we know it.
'Do you really think they would give an opposing viewpoint that may show
homosexuals in a negative light, without calling that opposing viewpoint
bigoted, unreasonable, uneducated, backwards, etc.?' - Independent | 3:36
p.m. Um. For the record? I didn't call you any of those
things. And the 'opposite' of gay marriage, is straight marriage. And, I support that. If you want to approach this from a
factual point of view, how many straight people are used in history? George Washington Abraham Lincoln, etc. All are presented
with their spouses, and the automatic assumption is that they are straight. While far from an 'agenda', it is the way things are. And
now, with the mention of gay history, it is, once again, branded an 'agenda.' But, as I have pointed out many times, others are not labled the same
thing. Why is presenting George Washington's wife, not an
'agenda'? From a purely logical perspective, the mere debate about
allowing factual gay history is evidence of an agenda. But only the
'gay agenda' is mentioned. Here's another. The
colonization of America. And this too, is allowed in class. Much to the same of the pioneers.
I don't have anything against teaching history as it actually happened, but what
we see today in academia is a multiple agenda driven form of teaching. We see
history from an African-American agenda, an Asian-American agenda, and
environmentalist agenda, a gay agenda, a hispanic agenda, a Native-American
agenda and on and on. Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with seeing
history from different and multiple perspectives, but it is the agenda that
bothers me. Shouldn't history books, teachers and professors give us facts about
what happened without making value judgments? I seriously doubt that would
happen with gay history. It would be less about facts and events and more about
telling kids that it's okay to be gay, and we all know it. Do you really think
they would give an opposing viewpoint that may show homosexuals in a negative
light, without calling that opposing viewpoint bigoted, unreasonable,
uneducated, backwards, etc.? You know they wouldn't. Just as being anti-illegal
immigration will make you racist and anti-immigrant, being against gay marriage
will make you stupid and backwards.
Yes lets just take all of our kids on field trips to San Fran to see the gay
pride parade......that will teach them!
California's issues are the same as the rest of the nation. They're bankrupt,
they've got too much stupid legislation, and they're overrun with illegals.California may really be viewed as a microcosm for the entire USA. Where
they go, the rest of us will (eventually) follow. It's only a matter
of time before the entire state collapses. So what are we going to do about it?
Welcome to the madness of California. The budget billions of dollars in debt,
unemployment near the top in the nation, pensions we can't afford and this is
the highlight of the year for the legislature. Oh, I forgot. They took away
the legislature's autos yesterday. Whooeee.
'I wonder how long it will be before California completely self destructs.' -
Cats | 2:20 p.m. According to you, it already did. And
what 'cliff' are you talking about? Where is it, exactly? Are
we running towards it? Driving? Or moon-walking? :)
I wonder how long it will be before California completely self destructs. This
is another example of why they are on the verge of going over the cliff. I'm so
grateful I don't live there. If I did, I would take this as the final straw to
get out while the getting is good.I know a guy (not LDS) who moved
from California a couple of years ago. He said he was afraid to look in his
rear-view mirror as he left for fear of turning into salt. This is
the kind of craziness that is indicative of the complete degeneration of our
society."evil will be thought good and good evil."
We're also bombarded by the straight lifestyle; just watch the commercials
during sports, but I don't see people complaining too much about those. Most of
these posts on here are laughable and most likely the exact same things that
were said during slavery times!
This is simply the ongoing perversion and declination of American Greatness. At
NO time did the founding fathers envision a nation where every trend or fad was
to be given a quota of public awareness especially at the expense of childrens
education. We are carpet bombed every minute, especially our Children by media
and entertainment escapades of the queer lifestyle. This malicious legislation
is meant to further divide Americans and at the same time delegitimize
Traditions of Faith. Sexual preference is behavior and does not rise to the
level of a human trait. Goodbye George Washington, hello Perez Hilton. It's
Evil gone wild.
'Is hetero history taught?' - Jake2010 | 12:15 p.m. (Playfully) Are you implying George Washington was gay? I think we can all
agree, majority of figures presented in history are straight. Or, at least this
is the personna they presented. (Helen of Troy, etc.) And yet we
'can't' present gay history? To do that is simply a denial of the
facts. Washington had a wife. Gays exist. To say otherwise is simply
a lie. Should a school teach about God? I thought that was
the point of Seminary. A 'slippery slope' of WHAT? That same
logic could be used with: Womens history, African, Mexican, Asian and European
history. Lets put the shoe on the other foot. Majority
of Americans are not Mormon. As such, we should remove any MENTION
of the Mormon faith, pioneers or history. As they are 'Chipping away at our
countries moral integrity.' - TJ | 10:46 a.m. If you don't want
your children taught history due to religion, fine. The you should
be against ANY history that didn't start with: 'In the
beginging...' Teach them yourself. And stop putting the
responsibility to educate your children on publically funded, public schools.
Is hetero history taught? If not, there is even more less of a place for this to
be taught in school.
Perfect timing with the economy! Let's add new history textbooks to the budget
just so our kids can be indoctrinated that it is okay to ignore morals and
values that have been in our society for hundreds of years! Should have known
this junk would come out of San Francisco.
A slippery slope.
@CougarBlue: The govt. doesn't want schools teaching anything about the
freedoms, liberties or rights that this nation was founded upon. It goes against
their socialist nanny state agenda.
We moved from California a few years ago and I am so glad. Never ever ever would
I allow my children to sit through a class that discussed this kind of garbage.
Never will I ever believe that gay rights are the same as the rights that are
deserved by actual minorities. Black studies, asian studies, hispanic studies,
those are awesome and very helpful. Gay studies, absolutely not. This is about a
group with a political agenda and nothing more.
I guess this means children should be taught the possibility and belief in God?
Since we want our children well rounded, then let's teach them everything that
they get to choose from.They should have political correct recess
one day, reality recess the next, darwinism recess the next day, organic recess
another day.....so on and so forth.Let's round them out! They can
also alternate between all of the worlds languages. Then they'll be diversified
in every culture...
Chipping away at our countries moral integrity. I would not mind this too much
if the curriculum taught that gay behavior is a perversion of normal and natural
behavior and that it degrades societies and that it is an abomination before
God. But I would guess that it will be taught that it is a choice everyone
should make. This will erode our nations moral standards and encourage perverse
And this added studies will come at the loss of more study on our founding as a
nation and what we stand for.
Ya' know. People said the same things about the contributions of blacks not very
'The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, would add gays,
lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people to the list of social and ethic
groups in the social studies curriculum, according to an Associated Press
article by Lisa Leff. It also adds disabled people to the school lessons, which
by mandate already include the contributions of women, African Americans,
Mexican Americans, entrepreneurs, Asian Americans, European Americans, American
Indians and labor.' - Article It's a very simple question. Do gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender EXIST? I would say,
'yes.' As such, a comprehensive history would dispel alot of the
factual myths spread by some with a unreasoning hatred for gay people. Oldman, I have a hard time voting Republican as well. :) So, I
just don't do it.
Oh.. GAG!It's this kind of garbage that makes it hard sometimes to
vote for a Democrat.(But it's still very hard to vote for a