Comments about ‘LDS Church drops 'student' wards, stakes for 'YSA' units’

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Published: Thursday, June 2 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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fanUVU
Orem, UT

I am excited to see this inspired change. More YSA will be activated and have opportunities to serve.

TexasMom
Flower Mound, TX

I think this will be a good change. There are many 18-30 YSA's who are not students for one reason or another and feel left out.

While it's true that the main purpose for attending church is to worship, there is also an important part of associating with others in fellowship and support. YSA's are at a critical time in their lives and I'm glad they will have a chance to be together with other's in similar situations if they choose.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Isn't a YSA ward really a class distinction and could it actually lead to a preponderance of inactivity? I see young adults flocking to the YSA ward of their choice; like choosing a desert at a buffet table; answering to no Priesthood authority as if they were an island unto themselves. How healthy is that? Why don't all single young adults just report to their own wards and serve where they live? This would afford them the opportunity to serve their peers, children, youth and the elderly and truly prepare themselves better for marriage, parenthood, church activity and a life of unselfishness.

justcap
Provo, UT

Does anybody know what will happen with "MARRIED Student Wards?" Or will there be no change to those?

Skippy
West Jordan, UT

The people in this age group will still "drift"

Brad Smith
San Francisco, CA

Anything or any Policy that deals with "Dating" (Age) has its Negative side.

Example: What happens when one gets to that "magical" 30 years of age, and one
still is not married?? Are they then a "throw away" person? Age ranging is a form of Discrimination, Judgementalism, and/or other forms of EXCLUSION.

Groupings such as YSA should have More flexibility in the way things are handled. Not everyone gets married before 30 and Not everyone matures at the some spot on their individual time lines. Not everyone meets that "Right" person at the Same Age.

In-activity starts when people feel that they don't fit in, and as a result the experience of "going" to Church becomes Un-comfortable. It's OK to start All kids in Kindergarten at age 5, but it's Another Thing to EXPECT them all to be married by age 30.

Not All People were born the same with same talents.

They are Not just "cookies" from the same cookie cutter!!!

BADD Decision to tie people to specific "date" ranging!!!

Habib Assi
Salt Lake City, Utah

WONDERFUL!!!

I live in a ward where young adults are encouraged to attend their home wards and have callings, and have seen the results of this policy first hand. My obversation is that they become home bodies and don't get out and socialize the way they should because church really is a great way to meet young adults of the opposite gender. The answer is strong YSA wards wtih strong leadership, with a Bishop who is committed to keeping track of these young adults and take an interest in their lives. The church (especially in the SL valley) is teeming with layers of strong leadership who are "under serving" in their wards and who will make this program go. In our ward could call 25 men and their wives to serve as bishops and they would all do a fantasic job.

Kevin30
Layton, UT

BAD IDEA so far.

Remember the 3 things that Pres. Hinckley says are needed to maintain activity in the church? 1) FRIEND 2) calling 3) nurturing word of God?

A group of 6 friends and myself were going to an open student ward. When they dissolved our ward (about 6 months ago) they sent our records to the ward where we are supposed to be for our geographical location, and the new rule is that we cannot go where we want, but must stay there. Of the 7 of us, nobody has any FRIENDs in the new wards and feels socially out of place. All but 1 of us is now inactive.
My friends have tried ward hopping, but that is against the rules i guess.

This change has resulted in inactivity for 6 of my friends.

History Freak
Somewhere in Time, UT

"over thirty" wards come and go. I personally think they are really sick environments, BUT they need to exist. There need to be wards where single people can go and feel like they fit in. It's true that many who don't feel comfortable in their home wards become inactive. The "30" age limit is partly intended to keep the pressue up on those (mainly men) who are getting comfortable being single and get them to get their act together and get married. But, they are really depressing environments.

Thank goodness I don't have to attend one. They're not a fun place to be.

Asphaltman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Another huge problem is the 31+ age with no where to go. Like an above post said, people are getting married older then ever before. With this new program 31+ will be have to go to the 31-45 wards, well I dont know many guys who want to date older girls, hence all the ward hopping or the 500 plus member Willow Creek 8th (90210 ward). The church needs a 26-36 transition ward. Its been purposed but shot down many times. That would give everyone a chance to date younger. 18-30 YSA, 26-36 MSA(mid single adults), and 31-45 MSA. They have these wards out of state, but for some reason refuse to do it here. Its already been said 50% of the 30+ unmarried age goes inactive, I hate to even think of the new numbers once age limits are enforced. Sad nobody listens.

Laci
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What about those of us who just turned 31? Do we all of a sudden relate better to that 45 year old divorced guy in a 31-45 ward than the 27 year old in our (now former) student ward? Um, really?

As if being single isn't hard enough, now we get kicked out for being "too old." Awesome.

T.F.
Clearfield, UT

I was a part of the reorganization in Ogden. It has been a really successful tthing in the Ogden area. As for one person's question about inactivity it's actually quite the opposite. With college wards, young single adults wards, etc. there was a lot of ward hopping and nobody knew what happened to the people. Last year when general authorities they told us we had two basic options. They told us we were to be in our geographic home ward or we were invited to be in the YSA wards. The YSA wards have the responsibility of tracking and possibly reactivating the young single adults that live within the YSA ward boundaries. About six months ago I got sent back from the Ogden stake to wards in my area. I didn't grow up in this area and didn't have a lot of friends. It has been a struggle getting to know people, but overall it has been a good change.

higv
Dietrich, ID

In Rexburg and Twin Falls I attended STudent wards when I was not a student as did many people. There were letters telling people to go to home wards if they were not students or to ysa wards. Any case go were your records are so you can serve.

Seems like as a Single Rexburg resident and Twin Falls area the bulk of single people that did not go to there home ward went to student wards. People did before what the church is doing now.

Kevin30
Layton, UT

BAD IDEA so far.

Remember the 3 things that Pres. Hinckley says are needed to maintain activity in the church? 1) FRIEND 2) calling 3) nurturing word of God?

A group of 6 friends and myself were going to an open student ward. When they dissolved our ward (about 6 months ago) they sent our records to the ward where we are supposed to be for our geographical location, and the new rule is that we cannot go where we want, but must stay there. Of the 7 of us, nobody has any FRIENDs in the new wards and feels socially out of place. All but 1 of us is now inactive.
My friends have tried ward hopping, but that is against the rules i guess.

This change has resulted in inactivity for 6 of my friends.

MotherofFour
Springville, UT

I think it is a very good thing! When I was 19 years old I was very uncomfortable with the 30 year old men in my student ward, there has to be a cut-off age and 30 is generous enough.

justcap
Provo, UT

Two things for the naysayers:

1) If you go inactive, don't blame the ward setup or any other people. It's on yourself.

2) Young singles ward is NOT the only place that you can find people to date. Just because you're 31 and get "kicked out" of a ward of recent high school grads doesn't mean you can't find people to date. Get out and associate with people in other contexts too! No one is saying you have to settle for a 45 year old divorced guy.

Asphaltman
Salt Lake City, Utah

There are 2 issues here, one are the changes taking place May 1. I personally think they will be a good, EXCEPT there is no plan or place for those unmarried over 31 except for the 31-45 wards, and thats the other issue. Now, like I said before the 31-45 program has been going for a while, and many people I talk to fear them immensely. Why? Biggest reason, they are usually way older people less inclined to get married..I don't know, how do you describe it nice? Its just that it doesn't seem to appeal to many. I'm just saying the church needs to create or even just try a 26-36 transition ward. You'll still have 18-30, and 31-45, but this fits in the middle and gives an option for those just turning 31 to still be with their social age group. The church already has a few of these outside of Utah. It is near impossible to get anyone to listen to the idea..I have tried Bishops, Stake Pres, 70... If you are 31, your out. I guess if you're 31+ and single,nobody cares.

CJ Miles
Dallas, TX

Why does the church "single out" singles? If you are going to classify people, why don't you have a ward for the following:

Married and blissfully happy
Married and Not really feeling it
Married and miserable
Married and not getting it
Married without kids
Married with kids

Shouldn't everyone just go to the ward in which they live and stop all the segregating of people. Treat everyone as an equal.

And don't get me started with the over 30 single's program in the church. What a joke. If I turned 30, I would pretend I was 25. I wouldn't move on.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

Kevin30 - out of the 3 things President Hinckley said were needed to maintain activity you all had at least two of them.

If you don't have a friend in your geographic ward - stop whining and make one.

When my husband and I moved into our current ward the only member who went out of their way to be welcoming was a woman who had moved in just six weeks before we did. No-one else seemed to care.

At first I was offended - but that never makes a situation better. I didn't have the luxury of "ward hopping" so I decided to make myself welcome. I went out of my way to get to know people. We have now been in this ward for 12 years and we have grown to love it. I have made some priceless friends.

Wherever you end up going to church don't wait to feel comfortable through others efforts. Control your own destiny and jump in!

TexasMom
Flower Mound, TX

Jonathan Eddy, a couple of years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Now that I have a child who I feel will benefit from this I see it differently and with more compassion. It would be great if everyone were strong enough to "bloom where they're planted" and serve and worship in any ward they happen to be in.

Unfortunatley, the YSA's are in in a critical time of their lives. This is the point where many lose their way. Sometimes all it takes is somewhere to go where they feel more comfortable for them to begin the "blooming" process.

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