@Roman K "Also, do you really think that rational people would choose
to cross arid deserts, endangering their lives to the criminals on both sides of
the border if they weren't completely desperate?"Bank robbers
do a similar thing for a similar reason. Why don't we give them a pass too.
It's high time that that the illegals learn that breaking the law and then
getting free pass are over with. I am tried of seeing my tax dollars going to
support the illegals, because they claim they have rights. If you are here
illegally lets send them back to their countries and make them come here the
I wish Arizona all the luck but I'm afraid the deck is stacked against law,
order, and freedom.When I started looking into where the money was
coming from to buy off the politicians and subvert the immigration laws of the
world, I came across what may be the root of many of our problems. Fiat
Money.No matter how much real money people can put together to build
their countries the way they want there are those that can print up what ever it
takes to get their way.
@Roman K, when the majority of people who come here illegally are of one ethnic
group, and the legal immigration favors one ethnic group, that's racist. It's
hurting all other ethnic groups and people that want to come here. If you were pulled over, what ID would you give the officer, a Russian drivers
license? Your actions would determine his. When the majority of
people breaking a law is from one ethnic group, and they clame we are racist for
enforcing our laws, is it a valid complaint?
@Roman kDo the search and you'll find out. I am very well read on
the subject and the dnews bias has been and is blatent.
SB 116 serves the people of Utah well in one respect: It serves as a litmus
test to reveal exactly who is really representing them on Capitol Hill. It's
the most accurate indicator I've seen to separate the smooth talkers from those
who really care about the taxpayers, workers, and actual citizens of the state.
Check out that record, and get behind those who have the courage to stand up to
the invasion that threatens to mess up our entire society--just as it is doing
The deseret news, like the rest of the mainstream liberal media, is a
disingenuous propaganda machine in how they've spun the issue of the Utah
compact. They try and try to make us all believe that Utahns REALLY DO WANT
AMNESTY for illegals. Obviously the LDS church supports the amnesty guest
worker program, but that doesn't mean that the people support it. I don't know
of anyone - LDS or non LDS - that wants to give amnesty to the millions of
illegals that are here.Apparently the only recourse we have left is
to vote out the corrupt bums in office who refuse to listen to the will of the
The mexican mantraPor La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada For the
race everything, outside the race nothingAll of the laws should be
enforced equally, regardless of race, religion, and/or national origin. That is
with the exception of mexicans, and they should be above the law and exempt from
the law. And the only purpose that a tonto gringo serves is to pay taxes to
support the superior and noble mexican. Anyone who disagrees with
this philosophy is Xenophobic and a Racist.PanchoAll
animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.George
Orwell, Animal Farm, ch.10, 1945
Conservatives, even in Utah, are adamantly opposed to the notion of providing
amnesty to illegal aliens and their employers. The political elite, business
groups and others have come together in Utah to ram this through, but they will
see in the next election how well it's supported.It's unlikely that
this will get very far in other conservative states, since they don't have the
unique mix of forces involved in Utah politics.It's also ironic that
some are applauding the Federal government from striking down the Arizona law
because it infringes on the Fed power, yet in some ways the Utah law is worse,
since it creates a program not defined/controller by the Federal government and
the Arizona law only attempts to enforce existing Federal laws at the state
Roman--"...better future for your children" May I add, at the expense
of American taxpayers. At the expense of public education, educators and the
education of children everywhere. Look at the scores of schools and districts
which have been inundated by illegals. At the expense of the medical
professionals, hospitals, and clinics, which do close and/or relocate due to the
nonpayment for services received by the illegals. At the expense of the poor,
elderly, and children who are legal citizens and in need of various social
services, which are being drained as they meet the needs of the illegals. The
costs go on and on. Can the United States afford to meet the needs
of illegals across the globe?As you may know, there are various
church, civic, entertainer, and corporate groups making a wonderful difference
in the lives of people throughout third world countries. What needs to happen
is for more of these groups to step up and make an even greater
effort--particularly those with the funds to do so. The average
taxpayer simply cannot afford it, especially at the expense of their own family.
I'm a white, tall, man from Russia. I've been in the states for 10+ yrs, first
school, and now I'm working. If I'm well rested and concentrate, I can speak
without accent. If I sped through AZ, would they ask for my immigration papers?
Remember, you don't need to be brown to be an immigrant, or illegal. Also, do you really think that rational people would choose to cross arid
deserts, endangering their lives to the criminals on both sides of the border if
they weren't completely desperate? What would you do, and how far would you go
to ascertain even a chance of better future for your children? Granted, the
illegals didn't deserve any privileges by crossing the border, but they
certainly deserve our compassion.No man is an island, no country
either. Except, maybe, New Zealand. @Hunt Before calling DN
reporters and editors nuts and cogs in a lying propaganda machine check your
facts! What have they purposefully misrepresented?
Read carefully...President Monsons closing remarks, October 2008
Conference:May we be good citizens of the nations in which we live and
good neighbors in our communities, reaching out to those of other faiths, as
well as to our own. May we be men and women of honesty and integrity in
everything we do.President Monsons closing remarks, April 2011
Conference:May we be good citizens of the nations in which we live and
good neighbors in our communities, reaching out to those of other faiths as well
as to those of our own. May we be examples of honesty and integrity wherever we
go and in whatever we do.
Facts are facts and The Utah Compact is nothing more than "Mexican
Slavery".....The Chamber of Commerce is only concerned with
cheap labor and the reduced labor cost for US Companies(compassion is a smoke
screen)....Why relocate your company to the third world when the third world can
come to you? Slavery is alive and well again in Utah!
This is pathetic. Our federal government left the door open for the last 15
years and now they want to punish a state trying to protect itself from the end
result of their inaction.To make matters worse, elites from congress, the
media (yes, that means you, DN), churches, unions and the Chamber of Commerce
are stepping up to the microphone IN SUPPORT of the trespassers.The whole
thing is totally absurd.
The Utah compact and the resulting HB116 are totally useless, (even if, by some
stretch of the imagination), they are not thrown out by the courts.What do amnesty advocates plan to tell the millions of LEGAL immigrants who
are paying thousands of $$$ to become legal in the legitimate sense of the
word?The legislation is racist on its face, because it makes no
provisions for any other nationality to arrive and stay here other than those
who sneak across the desert from Mexico.Why in the world would any of the
illegals sign up for it in the first place? They pretty much have a "free
ride" without it! Immigration enforcement has pretty much been only a
DREAM that actual citizens hope for anyway.Should we just eliminate
our borders altogether just because the feds WON'T DO their job?HB116 isn't worth the paper its written on and WILL be repealed.The legislators who forced this on Utah citizens will be most likely be voted
out of office.
this thing was planned , tyson chicken, packing plants in the midwest with
anyone challenging them the representives shut em down. Its all documented and
the corporations never got taxed one bit now we got americans going to the back
of the line, near a depression state , gas goin up there's to many of us crying
yet no one hears us!
The use of the doublespeak "pro-immigration" needs to come to an end.
They are not campaigning for people to come here legally, but are pushing
amnesty for 12-20 million who broke our immigration laws, and those that helped
and encouraged it. Like Utah, it's not the states that are adopting
it, but a small group of people in each state. Less than .0015% of Utah
residents signed it.
The Deseret News should be ashamed of itself for purposefully misrepresenting
the truth about illegal immigration. Instead of honest journalism, the Deseret
News has become a propaganda machine in its promotion of the Utah Compact and
HB116. Regardless of it's efforts, the truth is out there and doesn't take too
many clicks of the mouse to find it. I would suggest doing a search on HB116
and the word "repeal" if you are interested in the truth.
Utah Compact = AMNESTY!!!How can that be?Yeppers.....the
entire illegal movement has adopted the Utah Compact as a model for
AMNESTY.......Good job Herbert and Shirtleff...soon the entire state
will be over-run with measled illegals
So, advocates for undocumented immigrants are pushing to make the Utah Compact a
national model. Now there's something to think about.