Terry: Don't call me a religious bigot just because I do NOT like BYU. We
supported our 2nd daughter on an LDS Mission and paid most of her expenses to
attend and graduate from BYU. If you would like to contact my bishop and stake
president to confirm that I hold a current temple recommend, I will be happy to
provide you with their names.
gonefishnWhen BYU has a good year, where do they end up?a #3 seed (a #1 if they hadn't lost Davies)The comparison to
Gonzaga is simply to show that it's possible to play in the WCC and still get a
very high seed. BYU has already proven itself with five straight NCAA tournament
appearances and back-to-back advancements past the first round.BYU
playing in the stronger MWC has had six straight 20+ win seasons, back-to-back
30+ win seasons, and has won four of the last five MWC championships.The Cougars bring their own deserved respect with them to the WCC, which will
be a much stronger conference with BYU.A 22-point win against the
WCC champion, while playing without their two best front court players, shows
that BYU isn't going to be the least bit intimidated by the big dog in the
WCC.Every top program has to replace outstanding players. BYU may
not see another Jimmer for a long time, but the Cougars will still have a very
strong team returning next season.
Joe CoogYou are now comparing BYU to Gonzaga! One win against Gonzaga with
the player of the year and you think your program is as strong.
Delusional.....By your rational if BYU wins the wcc they will get a 2,3,4,
seed? It took almost two decades for Ganzaga to build the respect they have. St.
Marys is a better comparsion to BYU. When Saint Mary's has a good year where do
they end up? Seed 9 - 13.
Let's not panic about the players leaving the program. Yes, it would have been
nice to keep some of the more talented players, but this team was terribly
inconsistent all season and the rotation was not very deep. I think Boylen
really only used 6 or 7 players on a regular basis. Maybe the players that are
leaving are afraid of being pushed hard in practice or being held accountable
when they don't play well. If that is the case, let them move on. I like the
coaching staff that is coming together and I believe the can build a good team
and a quality program. It will obviously take a while, but I believe it will
What's surprising is that any ute player would stick around to get their brains
beat out next year! What's the over-under on how many leave. So they are up to
gonefisin,if your so worried about byu going to the wcc you obvously dont
know much about college ball. Gonzaga, you know tht team from the wcc, has been
the top seed in atleast one game 7 times in the last 10 years with a top seed of
2 multiple times. Know what you are talking about before posting.
I thought this article was about Utah's team not BYU's! Why are the Utes so
totally adsorbed by what BYU does or doesn't do? Worry about your own team and
let BYU will take care of itself!
Steve,My understanding is that the rule for transferring are in
effect. So if O'brien transferred to another Pac-12 school he would lose 2
years of eligibility. He would only have to sit out a year, and could use his
red shirt, but he would come back as a junior.The only way not to
lose eligibility is to transfer to a lower level, like D-2.
I think the BYU posters need to worry about losing their best offensive player
in school history, losing the best defensive player in school history, losing
their best current recruiter in Dave Rice. On top of all that BYU is moving to
the WCC where if you win 25 games and win the conference you are strairing a
double digit seed in the face.Utah has huge challenges and I do not know
how it is going to turn out but I like the hiring of the 2 new asst. coaches and
any player that does not want to help, best of luck.
"It's not surprising that players are leaving, considering an average of
nearly four players per year have left the U. program over the past 20 years.===Something is wrong with the program, or with
recruiting.Maybe Coach Connor will get the program on track.
Does O'Brien lose a year if he transfers to a PAC-10 school immediately since
Utah is not yet a member until July 1?
Terry,Where did you hear that Coach K has revoked any scholarships?
I highly doubt that is true or at least not the whole story. Give us a source
so we know you're not just trying to drum up animosity toward the new coach.
Good luck to new coaches and efforts in a new conf. Basketball will improve
with a new start.Just a question, I guess to Allen#1, or any other
"dispisers" of a local program: Why is BYU "universally
despised". It seemed like in sports highlights this past season BYU was
pretty popular around the country. What is with the "despised" label
here in Utah? Is it just local rivalry? Is it the fans? Is it the school and
the association? It would be interesting to know.
I think Allen#1 meant to say BYU is universally despised by all religious bigots
like him! I went to Utah, but I grew up rooting for BYU, so I still root for
both schools when they are playing anyone else from outside the state! I must say I am not impressed with coach K yanking the scholarship
promise Boylen extended to two 6'10 tall local talents because they are going on
their mission first. If he wants to make an impression for the local talent, he
should probably not alienate the local LDS kids who want to go on missions.
"Journalism is now speculation mixed with ulterior motives."I was thinking the same thing about Dick Harmon's article on the state of byU
football. He was really trying to make us beleive that byU did not lose to Utah
State last year and that they are going to beat Texas and Utah this coming year.
Yes why are so many players leaving, I know the reason Majerus is not there was
Bogut wasn't coming back if he stayed, straw that broke back for Coach.
Something is really wrong and the players don't think K is the answer. The
Masters was great
Laser,Journalism includes opinion and op-ed pieces in addition to
straight reporting. This article did not appear on the editorial page but it is
obviously an op-ed piece and that is ok. I want to read opinions from sports
writers. I thought the opinions expressed were well reasoned.
@allenI love "the universally despised BYU" comment.
LOLAs a matter of fact so many of the top local high school players
"universally despise" them that they flock down to Provo to play for
them. LOLSo many of the local basketball fans "universally
despise" them that they fill up the 22,700 seat Marriott Center while
avoiding the huntsman center like they may catch the plague, or a serious case
of losing, just by going there. LOL
Swoop, finishing above .500 isn't even a remote possibility. Going into the
PAC12, Utah is going to be mighty lucky to win one or a remote possibility of
two conference games. Football doesn't appear to be any more rosy for them in
the PAC12 either. Utah will most likely end up being the bottom dwellers in both
basketball and football for as long as one can see, or until the PAC12 decides
that they are not an asset and bids them adieu. Well, so much for nice new (and
very expensive) facilities that will be less than half filled. Maybe they will
be able to figure out some other use for them, like another Olympics.
Er, Allen, could it possibly be, just a slight possibility, that it is because
going to BYU would be a step upward instead of oblivion?
Utah will be rebuilding next year so staying means being part of a team that
will be lucky to finish above .500 next year. Some players may enjoy being part
of that. Others may want to play for a winning program next year.
Wow, nothing like the local media trying to persuade the players. So much for
objectivity. Journalism is now speculation mixed with ulterior motives. If I were an objective reporter, I'd start digging into the story why so
many players leave the basketball program? I wouldn't be writing an article
hinting for them to stay.
Staying players may be best for Ute fans, but the players appear to think
I agree that it is stupid for any current Utah basketball player to leave Utah.
But if they should, why not recommend the players go to either Utah State or
Weber State instead of the universally despised BYU?