Navel VetRan out of space... so before someone comes on and says
something... I mention edin my first posting that it was unfortunate that it was
Crowton and not Edwards and Chow that Urban went up against when he did play
BYU. Urban would have liked to have played against Edwards and Chow. He talked
about it on several occasions....but he did get to play the others.
Navel VetI'm just going from Personal conversations while he was here.
Spent a lot of time talking to the man. He was the type to always want to prove
something new... which he did everytime he took over a new program...The point
is that he specifically sought to place himself where he could prove his
gameplans agains great coaches. He talked a lot about the Pro set... a lot about
Chow and really admired Edwards... Of the others you mentioned... Earle Bruce
was also a big discussion. But I heard personally a lot about Edwards, Bowden
and Sabin as well. His pathway from here to Utah to Florida got him the
opportunities to play against those coaches that I mentioned which is exactly
one of the things he wanted to do. I'm not looking for an argument I'm just
telling you that he delibertly proceeded along a calculated path that got him
where he wanted to be. He's a great coach a good man and someone you can't help
but admire. It just seemed at the time that Notre Dame was the obvious...but
fortunately it turned out to be Utah instead.
Where's Stockton ???:Urban Meyer cited the following coaches as his
primary influence: Earle Bruce, Bob Davie, Lou Holtz, Sonny Lubick, and dear
'ole Dad. Some of his minor coaching influences included: Nick
Saban, John Robinson, Rich Rodriguez, John L. Smith, Bill Snyder, Steve
Spurrier, and Bill Walsh.There were no mentions of Edwards or Chow.
You made that up. How embarrassing for you.
"but the joke is old, and it wasn't your joke. Get creative with something
new"You have the audacity to use the PAC 10.2 the come up with
the above gem?What a tool
And as far as Urban Meyer goes let's clear the air a little since my office at
BGSU was right down the hall from his. He was an astute student of coaching
styles. Four of the best active coaches (including assistants) in football that
he greatly respected and intensly studied while he was here building BGSU's
program were Nick Saban, Lavell Edwards, Bobby Bowden and Norm Chow. Not
necessarily in that order. I heard him talk about Lavell Edwards many times as
well as Chow. He worked and incorporated much of his developing offensive
strategy from what he learned from these coaches more so than probably any
others. Once he pretty much had his philosphies and designs down pat he left
BGSU to prove them. Obviously he wanted any opportunities to see if his offense
could beat that of the coaches and programs he most respected. Most of us here
were stunned when he didn't take the Notre Dame route. And it's a shame that by
that time it was Crowton and not Edwards/Chow at the helm of BYU when he took
the Head Coacing job at Utah. But it's obvious as to why!!!
@BluCoug"I agree, the utes are no way on the same level as the
rest of the big name teams Oklahoma, TCU, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA,
etc..."Neither is byu! They are still a non-aq school, only
@ Urban "I still can't say it" Meyer: You have to let
Urban's "school down south" thing go. He's retired now and is actually
friends with Bronco. He has said "BYU" many times. If you prefer to
type out "The school in Provo" instead of BYU, hey, it's a free world,
but you need to live for the now, the PAC 10.2 needs you no move on. I know
you're still wiping away the tears after Urban used you as a door mat, but the
joke is old, and it wasn't your joke. Get creative with something new. You're
welcome. Happy to help.
@localblueAnd you feel free to do likewise. I've never been a chow
hater but I have no desire to have him back either. And yes that is the opinion
of the majority of BYU fans. I have nothing against Robert Anae either but have
no desire to have him back. Sometimes it is just time to move on, for both
parties. Chow's time at BYU was over. Period.
@Duckhunter - While I agree with what you are generally saying, you are
incorrect in using "we" when you say "you" are happy to not
have him at BYU. Chow is still close with several on the coaching staff at BYU
and these guys would love to have him back. There are others as well in the
administration and elsewhere who would like to have somebody like Chow back.
It's never talked about or considered because there is no way Chow will go back
to BYU but there is a lot less of this "good riddance" attitude among
those in positions to make decision at BYU, along with many of the fans, than
you suggest in your statement. Chow is a good guy with a lot of friends and
supporters in a lot of places and would be welcomed with open arms by a lot of
camps, including many of those at BYU. Feel free to speak for yourself but not
for all of BYU and its alumni.
Hedgehog, the ultimate troll! Ute, the ultimate wannabee!
@ I Still Can't Say It"The Team in Provo has had one quality
victory in the last decade -- the win over Oklahoma last season."I agree, the utes are no way on the same level as the rest of the big name
teams Oklahoma, TCU, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, etc...
Y-not-U,Actually a smart move by a coach who annually has a
scrimmage game. By delaying the game to a day with better weather he, along with
the other coaches, can better assess position development.bronco is
a rookie when it comes to the scrimmage.... he'll learn...eventually.
Inclement weather?! What is this, baseball?
@KamUteAnd as far as Utah's first PAC schedule vs BYU's first Indy. I'd
look at it as... Utah being thrown to the dogs with out a chance to to even get
out of the tightly knotted guneysack that they threw you in the pit in... while
BYU wound up in a free for all rodeo roundup and at least wound up with a couple
of good rounder's their first time out of the shute. I like Chow and Kyle...I
just feel sorry for them on their first go around.
KAM UTEI had a response to your 8:31p.m. response to nunja that for some
reason didn't fly with the monitor. It would have preempted Duckey's addressing
of Chow's impact only on a couple of BYU's All American's Scovil was there as
an OC on the Quarterback production line before Chow and Chow had the benefit to
learn a lot from Scovil as an assistant working with him. Scovil goes back to
the Virgil Carter days and then worked with Gifford Nielson, Mark Wilson and Jim
Mcmahon. You cannot separate the influence of Scovil's impact on the skills
that Chow learned from him.Let's start with UCLA and not USC not
having success while Chow was thier Offensive coodinator. Obviously you weren't
thinking straight. Somehow you had Knuheisel coaching USC instead of Pete
Carroll. I know you meant UCLA and yes that's true... they had no talent and
Chow and Knuheisel didn't get along...mainly because Rick's a micromanager and
wouldn't give the riens of the offense to Chow. Then he harnessed him to a
lousey impotent Pistol Offense. Chow's leaving is great for Utah.
That's humerous there Hedgie about me trolling Utah articles I haven't been
here in months...as for you... your reputation as a troll is insurmoutable. But
I have a new perspective about you now since your last two comments on "The
Rock's" article about the BCS Fiesta Bowl fiasco. Even in your obviously
jealous demeaner you now have the distinction to be the first Utey to actually
concede and admit the truth... That it was BYU's defeat of Ann Arbor's finest in
the 1984 Holiday Bowl and the indisputed consensus of the Major Polls that
awarded BYU the Championship that brought down The Holy Grail of College
Football. The Holiday Bowl ended the time honored tradition of crowning College
Football's National Champion on thier Holy New year's Day and in only the 3
Holiest of their shrines. The Rose, The Sugar and the Orange. And we already
know that it was that event that led to the creation of BCS so the travesty you
try to convey out of that is the continuing to have to live with the "No
Joy" of Ann Arbor's finest dropping the ball. Go eat your crickets!!!
@ duckhuntet. Yes the poly connection was in place but not to the same extent it
would have been without Chow. Chow came straight from Hawaii High School and had
that pipeline that assisted in hundreds of islanders making the transition to
Provo. I have a copy of the Lavell's book that came out in the early 80's. He
credits most of the offensive success to Chow and developing his qb's as well.
Chow has a huge ego and has driven a lot of people crazy and away from programs.
He will bring a lot of great offensive recruits to Utah as he did everywhere he
has gone. Kyle will butt heads with him but if we're winning, we'll be happy.
@hedgehogAre you really going to complain about a BYU fan trolling a
Ute article? This may be the first time I've ever read a comment from you on a
Utah article. You're usually lurk sites waiting for anything BYU to be published
so you can be the first to predict their demise. That said, I've
been a Cougar fan my entire life, but I'm wishing the Utes all the best! I'd
love for them to go into this season and take the Pac12 title right off the bat,
to show all of those BCS schools that the only thing they have going for them is
entitlement. Go Cougs! and then...Go Utes!
@nunya "he fell flat on his face after he left BYU"Ha ha, I guess those national championships and Heisman trophies at USC
were "nothing." Nice try.Let's just address the elephant
in the room. We all know the Team in Provo should've hired Coach Chow after
LaVell retired. That was a huge mistake. Look at what you've had instead. One
bad hire, one so-so hire -- and a decade of mediocrity on the football field in
Provo.The Team in Provo has had one quality victory in the last
decade -- the win over Oklahoma last season. But we also know how that came
about. Urban Meyer helped Bronco put the game plan together that beat the
Sooners. Holy cow!
@where's Stockton. Obviously the Utes shouldn't even show up for the game
because they are "going to get creamed" against USC. What's the use?
BYU should stay home from Texas and TCU right? We should just schedule New
Mexico State, Idaho, Idaho State, Utah State right? We should have just stayed
in the MWC and not taken the opportunity to improve our university in athletics
and academics right? We should just turn down the tens of millions coming our
@kamuteSome of what you are sayng there is correct but a bunch of it
isn't. 1st of all chow did not develop all of BYU's top qb's, Doug Scovil and
Ted Tollner were much more responsible for that. Chow can be given credit for
the guys after Steve Young and only one of those guys, Detmer, would I put in
the class of the pre-chow qb's.Also the POLY connection at BYU was
firmly in place pre-chow. In some ways chow is responsible for some of those
guys starting to go to other schools.I know of at least one very
well known (in the NFL now) POLY recruit who he was responsible for driving away
from BYU. He took those guys for granted and assumed they would simply go to BYU
with no effort on his part. He was wrong and that allowed ron mcbride to make
major inroads with them.Frankly most of us a very glad he is gone
from BYU and have no desire to have him back. Good for you if you guys want him,
you're welcome to him, but we don't want him at all.
'Despite probation and possible other sanctions still hanging over their heads
they signed 25 of the top Rival.Com 100..."bowling green
(LOL),I know you like to troll Utah articels and leave suface-y
comments. When (not if) sactions are inforced upon USC they will have to
"true up". Most likely cutting deeper than the lose of 10 recruits
annually (for three years). I won't agrue that Utah will forever be the under
dog to possibly the most elite college football ever. I'm not sold
of Kiffin having the same success going forward.
@nunya. You have absolutely no knowledge of football. When Chow left left for NC
State and developed one of the best offense with Philip Rivers. He also
developed the Tennessee Titans into a good offense and won National titles at
USC with Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer. Both were Heisman winners. He did not
do well at USC due to a lack of talent and infighting with Neuheisel. Only
played on 7 losing teams since 1973 and even then, his offense was usually
solid. Chow was the reason Lavell was successful on offense. Chow was the man
that developed all of BYU's all American QB's in the 70's 80's and 90's and
really helped bring in the poly connection to Provo. BYU football would not be
anywhere close to where it is now without Chow.
Re Nunya - You either don't know what you are talking about or are are
intentionally trying to be negative. To say that Chow did nothing after he left
BYU is like saying that Danny Ainge did nothing after he left BYU. Chow had two
Heisman trophy winners, was OC at some of the top schools and in the NFL. He
was widely successful, and widely sought after.He had huge success
as NC State and USC. Nunya, what have you done since you left BYU, why don't I
know your name and why aren't you getting paid a million a year?
@atl134What??? No mention of probational USC ...despite some major spring
injuries. You do realize that they are sitting with the myriad of star power
that allows them to just keep reloading. Utah is going to get creamed from the
get go. I wish it wasn't so...I'm a big Whittingham and Chow fan but reality
will at some point... sink in. Look at USC's full compliment of new recruits.
Despite probation and possible other sanctions still hanging over their heads
they signed 25 of the top Rival.Com 100...all 4 stars but two who were 5 star.
Plus they got 3 4stars who enrolled and are gray shirting...so that actually
gave them 27 of the top 100. Utah got 2 4's...The math is definitely not there
to put Utah even close to the top 3rd in the PAC. Maybe in the Soutern Division
with the Arizona schools having the worst of the PAC'S big injuries.
believe me, They don't want him. The best he's ever done was at BYU and only
because Lavel was the man....he fell flat on his face after he left BYU. Aren't
you just so excited that your offense is going to look like uncla's for however
long chao was there? Still laughing. It's going to be a great year.
I wish Utah well in the PAC12. I will root for them in every game except against
BYU. Regardless of some fan behavior (which goes both ways BYU fans), Utah is
worthy of the support of this community.
@CaptainWell BYU even hindered with the 2-headed monster QB system
took down Washington who I think finished 4th in conference last year. Utah beat
Cal in that bowl the previous year with a freshman QB (I'd note BYU's win over
Oregon State too but they don't have Hall anymore so it's not as applicable). I
think Utah or BYU both would be a solid threat to finish third in the PAC-12 (no
way anyone's catching Oregon or Stanford, due to scheduling luck Utah faces
neither next year which probably gives them inside track as long as they go
something like 5-1 in division which is totally doable). Frankly I would have
loved for BYU to be in the PAC-12 instead of Colorado.
Of course Coach Chow is enjoying himself up on the sacred ground of RES where he
belongs. It's got to feel good to be back home. He should've never been stolen
away and tricked into coaching for the team in Provo in the first place.In other words, move along Cougars. Nothing to see here. You're not
going to steal away Coach Chow again.
Although I am and will always be a BYU fan. I am intrested to see how Utah does
this year. I believe that it will take a while for the Utes to blossum in the
Pac-10 but in a few years im looking for them to be real contenders. Norm Chow
is and unbelievable pick up for the Utes coaching staff and will make them a