With less than .0015% of Utah's citizens signing it. It's not even a honest
solution for Utah.
Governor Leavitt is spot on.
Some lobbyists for illegal trespassers would like you to believe that outside of
Utah there is some kind of national appreciation for the "Utah
Compact".Nothing could be further from the truth. Its not only
Utahns that would like illegal trespassers arrested and the border secured even
if it means putting our own troops on the border.The REALLY bizarre
part of the illegal immigration issue is: politicians just don't seem to
understand how important this issue is to the average American, and, the extent
of lobbying from both the business community and the media to maintain the
status quo. The lobbyists for the illegals, along with some
politicians, and the media think illegal trespassers are much more important
than the rule of law, not to mention being more important than ACTUAL Americans!
Hey Mike Baby, you are just another Big Government RINO. Why is it that you and
your ilk can't just say, "Let's give the Illegals citizenship".
Instead you propose "Commonsense Immigration Reform" as a code word
for legalizing those that choose to break the law and come here illegally. You
fail to mention the costs related to illegal immigration.In the last
month two members of my family had auto accidents involving illegal immigrants.
Neither illegal had insurance, and one had a "Driver Privilege Card",
the other did not have a drivers license. Mike Baby, please check with the
family of Deputy Josie Fox, ask them what they think of Utahs enforcement of
illegal immigration. Mike Baby, you and Bobby Bennett should be ashamed of your
shilling for not enforcing our borders.
Immigration is a diversion; a shiny ball. We have all taken our eyes off of the
real issue and nobody is happier than Congress. Compared to the national debt
that Congress has chained upon our necks, the financial loss invoked by illegal
immigration is akin to someone drowning in the ocean and becoming overly
concerned about having bad breath. C'mon people. Focus! Why are we so
preoccupied with chasing nickels when Congress continues to spend our trillions?
Is it easier to hate south of the border illegals more than than the illegals in
I would really like to see a compact for victims of identity theft. It would be
nice to fingerprint illegals and ban them from citizenship for identity theft
along with seizure of assets to pay victims.
Illegal immigration is not just a civil infraction, it can also be a crime if
crossing the border. It's a dishonest document that tries to decriminalize
stealing citizenship, identities, jobs, social services and residency in this
country. It's welfare for the business community by depressing wages
of the workforce. I have stopped buying locally, and started buying over the
Internet. If I want to check out an item, I visit the store, then buy at home.
If business will not support the workers, then we should not support our local
Haven't read the compact 'till now. Just a few observations...First
of all, immigration is not a federal policy issue. The Constitution (Article 1,
Section 8) gives the federal govt. power to "est. an uniform Rule of
Naturalization." (that's different than immigration). The 10th amendment
then leaves immigration to the states (I know, we don't follow the 10th
amendment anymore - so why expect the compact to do so).The second
paragraph is, though, perhaps my favorite. In particular, this: "Local law
enforcement resources should focus on criminal activities, not civil violations
of federal code." Amen brother. But, please don't let this just hold true
to immigration. Apply it to ALL the junk coming from Mordor on the Potomac.The Families paragraph... I suppose that to get the LDS people... Looks
like it's working.Ah, then my favorite: "Utah is best served by
a free-market philosophy that maximizes individual freedom and
opportunity." Oh PLEEAAASSSEEEE. If only this applied to the rest of what
the state government does.I think this compact is dishonest.
Those who resort to euphemism and distraction demonstrate their own lack of
moral conviction as to the correctness of the course they espouse.If
Leavitt or anyone else really believes that open borders and amnesty for illegal
aliens is the proper course of action, he/they should must the courage of
conviction to say so plainly; to defend that position clearly; and to do so
without equivocation or euphemism.I was once stopped for speeding.
The officer let me go with a warning rather than issuing a citation. But he did
warn me, and tell me to obey the speed limit in the future. That was
compassion. He did not tell me it was ok to keep speeding.In like
manner, expecting illegal aliens to return home, to stop violating our laws, but
without facing penalty for their conduct thus far is very compassionate.
Anything beyond that is amnesty; it encourages future violations.In
clear terms we must:Punish employers who hire illegal aliens;Cut off all welfare and social benefits for illegal aliens;ID, detain,
and deport all illegal aliens who come to attention of law enforcement;and
the feds need to secure the border.Honesty.
The compact is just a tool used by business to increase their labor pool. Look
at the "Utah solution" and then intentions are obvious.
It took 4 months to get that many signatures on the compact. It took
three days to get more signatures on the petition asking Governor Herbert to
veto HB116When people are willing to sell out their neighbors for
profit, you need to question their compassion. It's beginning to feel like the
great depression again.
After Bishop Wester attacked the guest worker bills, they had to bring in a big
gun. 105,000 Utahns out of work, 140,000 people here illegally, and a group of
business leaders want to bring in more workers? We are seeing who
really cares about this country, and who is self serving.
Originally the Utah Compact may have intended to be apolitical, but emerged very
political, influencing the Utah Legislature and Gov. Herbert to cavalierly
override the majority of Utahans, passing amnesty via H.R. 116 and partnering
with a country of which 56+% of all illegal immigrants in the U.S. originate.
Mr. Leavitt was with the Bush Administration to long; believing
comprehensive is the solution, just as Huntsman Jr. and Herbert do. The model of
Comprehensive Reform was adopted by a great U.S. President, Ronald Reagan. Hows
that working out after 25-years? The scratched record will keep
spinning, another guest-amnesty may pass, enforcement ignored and the very same
unscrupulous, unethical businesspersons will bypass guest-worker programs,
ignore legal hiring practices, and exploit a new generation of illegal workers
for their ends.Mr. Leavitt, Gov. Herbert and Huntsman Jr. will never
get it, very few in the U.S. Congress that will ever get it. Theyre ALL ABOUT
POLITICS, and short on LOGIC. The UC is a political force and wouldnt have form
if it were not an effort to pedal influence. The Utah Compact chose sides and
the majority of Utahans lost.
Starting point, starting point, starting point. What a wonderful euphemism.
Something can be horribly illegal, immoral, anti-social, anti-American,
unconstitutional, and contrary to the will of the people, but it's a
"starting point," so that makes it okay. How fascinating
that only the HB116 guest worker bill qualifies as a "starting point"
-- but not the Arizona bill, nor Sandstrom's bill (in its original,
unwatered-down form), though these affirm Federal law and accord with a state's
right to defend itself.
Sorry Mike but the "values" of the Utah CON PACT aren't those of the
majority of Utahns. The CON PACT is nothing less than a plea for the
continuation of the exploitation of illegal aliens by a bunch of self serving
business and church organizations who benefit from having them here and being
able to pass the social costs on to the taxpayers of Utah. The CON PACT reflects
the values of open borders advocates and "Chamber of Commerce
Republicans" and no one else. It tries to re-define "compassion"
to somehow make the continued exploitation of illegal aliens seem the
"morally right" thing to do. In reality this is nothing but a
"plantation philosophy" ( we need the slaves to harvest the cotton)
that has little to do with compassion and everything to do with the desire by
the signers of the Utah CON PAC to benefit from the presence of illegals.
Everyone who supported this and HB116 is going to find out in the near future
how the majority of Utahns feel about this issue and their little self deception
that they are somehow reflecting the "will of the people" is going to
come to an end.
Check today's Washington Post on-line -- "Liberal immigration advocates
look to Utah ..."The pro-amnesty, pro-sanctuary advocates across the
country recognize the Utah Compact for what it is and does -- encouraging
illegal immigration and protecting and supporting illegal immigrants.
A Government of, by, and for Special Interests and Big Business! Did our
Founding Fathers envision THIS madness?We the People are officially out of
the equation! The American Dream is up for sale to the highest Political Action
Committee contributor or Special Interest Lobby! Legality is in the eye of the
beholder but I suppose that depends on what the meaning of the word is is! Lady
Justice lies dead on the floor of the Utah state capitol while illegal immigrant
criminal activity is REWARDED with jobs, benefits and amnesty and a large
majority of American Citizens are branded Racists for rightfully wanting to make
English the official language! Have we not had enough of this Foolish Political
Correctness running amok? How long will we idly stand by and watch the freedoms
earned by the red blood of our forefathers be either given away to lawbreakers
or sold for the green dollars of corporate greed? Stand up and be heard. It is
your right and your privilege. It is not wrong or nor is it immoral to protect
our borders and our country.
So long as we cannot add links to this agenda, the points made will be purely
personal, and in far to many cases, not well informed at all.But it
is very well informed to say the environment cannot possibly deal with the Utah
Compact and would effectively sell the future of this country to those who
today, put enormous amounts of money down to see their will be done. The Utah
does not come close to dealing with the economic realities of the United States
in the coming years, and again, sells the future of this country to people who
do not wish our children well.
Leavitt....another in the long line of RINO govt representatives......there is
no teeth in the Utah Compact...Compassion is not a solution, its a failure to
act!Fines those who hire, fine and deport, and eliminate the driver
priv card program......If the USA would just adopt the Mexican
immigration law...the problem would be solved!
Spot on Gov. Leavitt. Spot on. We need the United States Congress to act. They
should do so in a way that reconciles many values that often are at odds with
each other. We should spend less time fighting about this issue and more time
finding common ground. I only wish that I could say I had more confidence in
Congress.Lee, Hatch, Bishop, Matheson and Chaffetz ... we need you
to lead on this.
Proof I think will be election day and for those who supported it in the
Legislature how they will fare!
This makes Utah look really bad to the rest of the nation. Unconstitutional
Utah, living by its own rules and regulations. We are not a nation we are a
The issues surrounds the age-old argument of "Does the end justify the
means?" Because some families have a tough time making a living and this
is the golden land of opportunity, some feel that bereaking the law in such
fashion as forging documents, stealing identities and illegally crossing borders
is absolutely and totally acceptable. Others want to benefit from the plight of
such people and refuse to ammend a broken, failed system, thus just about
requiring others to break the law to participate in the American Dream. Sorry
to say, but depending upon the US Congress to fix anything is a long,
discouraging disappointment and an exercise in futlity. Just look at funding
the government as another example of how they conduct business. In my view the
answer is "NO-the end DOES NOT justify the means if such means involves
breaking the law." The answer is to fix the system and to fix it now!
Then anyone cheating is booted out and/or jailed, depending on the severity of
their lawlessness. Rewarding bad behavior just doesn't ever work with either
children or adults. Congress, please finally address the issue!!
Seems like the Utah Compact was formed by a bunch of special interests, none of
which seemed to care about the average Utahn. I suppose that would be a perfect
starting point for Congress. It can just widen the scope to ignore the average
I agree immigration is federal issue. The root of the problem is economic, not
criminal. What do you do when there is such economic disparity between two
bordering countries and how do you control an 1100 mile border? To much heated
political rhetoric that is not supported by facts.Listen to KSL's
Doug Wright instead of Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh. The far right hates him
because he is able to set aside the emotion and address the issue in a rational
Wow, a number of statements made in this are such baloney. I find this op-ed to
be nothing but a "pat ourselves" on the back while severely distorting
the situation in D.C. Oh, the stories of hypocrisy that could be told....
"...a respected group..."I have news for you, Mr. Leavitt:
I have zero respect for the formulators of the Utah Compact. It is one of the
most intellectually dishonest statements I have ever witnessed in my life. For example: it purports to be a guide for Utah's immigration discussion
-- a discussion which by its very nature necessarily requires making a
distinction between legal and illegal immigration. But not only does the
Compact refuse to do this, it quite deliberately implies that there is no moral,
social, legal, nor Constitutional difference between the two. The clear
implication in turn is that illegal immigration should be embraced and honored.
I could go on and on about the Utah Compact. In short, it is a
pro-illegal immigration, anti-enforcement, pro cheap-labor propaganda piece,
masterfully disguised as the opposite.
The "Utah Compact" claims that Immigration is a Federal Power. The
bills passed and signed by Governor Herbert are based on the concept that
Immigration is a State Power. Based on this the "Utah Compact" is
either flawed or the bills are. They don't mesh. The Constitution of
the United States grants authority to the federal government to regulate foreign
commerce and to adopt a uniform rule of naturalization. [Citizenship not
Immigration]From the Constitutional Note for HB 116 3rd S:"The Constitution of the United States grants authority to the federal
government to regulate foreign commerce and to adopt a uniform rule of
naturalization. The United States Supreme Court has also found inherent federal
authority to regulate immigration on the basis of federal sovereignty and the
power to engage in foreign affairs: this is sometimes referred to as the
"plenary power," which in more recent years has been made subject to
certain constitutional limits.