Clean speech vs. free speech is an endless debate
Oh my freakin heck...
@ Rock: Thank you for proving my point. Let me ask you a question:
If swearing is so universally unacceptable, why do so many engage in it?People are not going to use language they find personally unacceptable,
although it is not equally accurate to claim that all those who don't use it
find it unacceptable. If swearing is truly as prevelant as this
article makes it out to be, than it is very acceptable in the United States and
my comparison is accurate.As for your statements about Christian
items in a Muslim country, that is a little off topic as 1) we are not a
Christian nation and 2) if we were in a a Muslim country I probably would not be
swearing as much.
Sadly, it is your definition of consideration that is one-directional. I would
expect that if we lived in a Muslim dominated country for example, I should show
respect to their culture of public prayers because that is their privilege. I
should not expect to find Christmas cards in their corner stores because they do
not celebrate it. However, fowl language and filthy talk is universally and
multi-culturally found to be offensive and unacceptable. Yes you need to
grow a thicker skin, and be more accepting of others, and so also, would I if I
lived in the middle east, its called "respect". Find a way to
come out of your personal cocoon and live in the world with the rest of us.
Differences in philosophy or religion is not a definition of offensive.
It would be nice if people were more considerate of others and tried not to give
offense, but I have noticed that is usually one directional - I should be
careful not to use foul language that offends you, but when it comes to language
that offends me - such as public prayers or religious Christmas carols - I just
need to grow a thicker skin and not get offended so easily.Why
should I show you consideration you are not willing to show me?
My goodness, I've never seen so much justifying and rationalizing. "Swearing is ok because it is not as bad a this other stuff""Swearing is ok because- who says they are swear words anyway""Euphamisms are just as bad, same thing""J. Golden swore
so can I"Isn't "euphamism" any acceptable word that
describes in a culturally accepted way? It is not a word that does or conveys
the same idea or feeling.J. Golden used only two or three mild
favorites and none of them were filthy, and disgusting like one would hear from
a typical jr. high kid.Swearing is unacceptable because of the image
it creates and the disrespect it portrays. Famous comedians like Bob Hope once
said something similar to Pres. Kimball about comedians using filthy language to
shock because they can't think of something genuinely funny. Weak and feeble
@ Whattheheck?: "I bet that if someone came up to the gay club's
recruiting table and tore up their pledge sheets and threw them on the floor,
that it would become the next day's headline news..."No - what
would be headline news is if the gay club was allowed to have a recruiting
Any J. Golden Kimball stories come to mind?
Profanity used by anyone is a sign they are out of control. President Kimball
also said, "Profanity is a sign of a feeble mind and limited
vocabulary". I think he said it correct, it doesn't display intelligence
or control when someone uses foul language. I feel sorry for them and you know,
I can be in the best mood or just feeling quiet and humble when the blurting of
these dirty words can make a person feel disgusted and dirty. I have no
tolerance for foul language and I feel sorry for those who seem to think it is
OK when it offends others. And it is not okay with the Lord that this kind of
foul language is put on others.
I find the attitude in the third paragraph telling, "I reserve my right to
free speech," because it is what we hear from Hollywood.Asking
someone to agree to voluntarily change his or speech, or asking someone to
voluntarily edit his or her content in no way challenges free speech. The person
is always free to say, "No."Even having a school policy
against swearing, or a ratings board, does not challenge free speech, because
the student can choose to attend another school, and the movie producer can
choose to risk a financial lose."Free Speech" protects the
individual from being killed or imprisoned for expressing themselves. It does
not protect the individual from being walked out on when the listening party
does not want to hear it, or from financial lose when the public doesn't want to
buy your product.Unfortunately, it also does not protect you from
looking like an unimaginative, uneducated fool when you choose to express
As Pres Kimball once said..."Profanity is the action of a feeble mind
expressing itself forcefully" I work with a woman who throws
the "f" bomb around like it is nothing and I have noticed that the
rest of her English is terrible. Double negatives, wrong usage of many words.
I'm not perfect but come on people let's use the English language correctly. We
complain when illegals do not know how to speak English, then we turn around and
use foul words and butcher our own language and think that we are cool.
"Yea, yea; nay, nay." (Matthew 5:37)
I bet that if someone came up to the gay club's recruiting table and tore up
their pledge sheets and threw them on the floor, that it would become the next
day's headline news with the ACLU getting involved and a lot more people crying
foul. I applaud this young man and those who helped for taking a stand...I work
in a high school and yes, the bad language is out of hand (more than just the
"usual" swear words.) Return to civility is what we need, and this
club was just one small way to help.
As a long-time cusser, a well-placed word seemed to be heard when I felt I was
ignored. I'm on a kick now where I'm curbing my expressions and I don't feel
the spirit any more or less than if I'm letting loose and being honest whether
using more offensive curse words or their cute euphemisms. As a practicing LDS
I'm perplexed by the insistence of leaders and fellow Saints to questions words
we use, to warn us about entertainment we allow into our lives, but no one seems
to have a problem with being judgmental, with lying, with false witness, with
spreading rumors and allowing gossip. I'd rather, to paraphrase something
Joseph Smith said, associate with someone who curses a blue streak than someone
who lies or spreads gossip. I also disagree about staying mad longer when
swearing at a traffic light or someone not signaling for a lane change or people
driving slow in the universally accepted though fast lane on the freeway. I
generally tend to adjust my assertive driving at that time. I simply believe
dealing with less self-righteousness would help me watch my mouth better.
Oh great - another PC movement.
I heartily endorse the efforts of Gage Bleazard to elevate the thinking and
speech of his peers. Chronic spewing of profanity is the sign of a careless,
undisciplined, degenerate mind. Our world is immersed in it and I'm sick of it!
The prolific use of the f* word is desensitizing, let alone uncreative.
"F" this and "f" that is all one can observe in many
dialogues on YouTube and other similar forums. 14 yr-old McKay Hatch
of California started the "No-Cussing Club" which currently has over
20,000 members. The opposition he receives for so doing is quite revealing as
evidenced throughout the internet.I understand an occasional
expletive-letting at a weak moment, but the relentless saturation of our English
language with vulgarities and profanities is one indicator of a deteriorating
society. Who is going to oppose this? Where will it stop?I am proud
of people like Gage and McKay who exercise the initiative to publicly and
courageously oppose mind pollution. We need more of them. These two
so-happens-to-be Mormon boys appear to be living their religion unlike many of
the "chameleons" I have known.
What I've always wondered is, who decided which words were "swear
words" and which were ok? I understand the obscenity behind the
"f" word, when used in it's actual dictionary context, but what is the
difference between saying "crap" and saying "sh**?" People
are convinced that the "euphemisms" are ok, but the "real
words" aren't. What's the difference? Either ALL of them are
inappropriate, or none of them are. The attitude is the same either way.
Fussing over "words" is silly.