@CJ Milesfirst off...kobe is a two...millsap would be
playing...lebron....melo...and a guy named Kevin Durant...but i do agree with
you...they shouldnt please millsap for the sake of him being happy...in order to
win...Millsap should just accept his role as a 6th starter...i said 6th starter
coz he'll be given starter minutes...@amgolferyeah its getting
tired off calling out CJ...this is why he would never be an all-star..he would
be a forgotten NBA player once he retires...he maybe young...but 6 years
experience playing the big leagues...doesnt excuse yourself being young...give
that to Evans Hayward Favors....they would probably have better and more stellar
careers...i hope Hayward and Evans include Favors when they are hitting the
Gym...and make it somewhat a casual betting game...on who gets to improve the
Clueless--not all "ripped" Sap for not stopping Wallace....I pose the
question, who does stop Wallace or LJ or Melo??---no one. I believe Houdini
brought that up or is this Houdini??--I mean how many people can be posting from
Rye? Going out on a limb here and w/o checking but I can't imagine the
population exceeding 500?? Most know that playing D and stopping the above
mentioned all-stars is not happening. What is clueless is you stating what's
intuitively obvious for most (key word--most)fans. Ranting and
raving about CJ is getting old. We all know there is a problem there mentally
and with his heart. No one doubts his talent but something is wrong and most
would agree with you.. Comparing Matthews to CJ is ridiculous. I will bet you
that most Jazz fans seriously regret, including myself, saying "don't match
Portland's offer." We live and learn partner.... Go Jazz.
Wallace,another huge game against the lakers,with artest one of the best
defenders watching him.all you know it all`s who ripped Millsap yesterday need
to get a clue,oh and Matthews...just another nice solid game,18 points,on 7/11
shooting,alot different than cj miles numbers,eh???
It is way to early to tell on Harris. Lets see who the Jazz draft. If they get a
very good to great PG then 8 mill (Harris) buys a good player at another
position and maybe another draft pick in trade. Watson is a cheap good back up.
Hayward can play 3rd string PG.CJ is a known in the Jazz system. He
may play better in another system and be valuable as a trade. His contract is
reasonable. The Jazz have to have wings who can shoot
consistently/play D. Favors looks like the PF of the future. AJ is
pretty good at C. An SF if AK does not return is imperative. I like Hayward at
SG (assuming his shooting improves. However Burkes would be nice. I
think the Jazz can fix the problems next year and contend. One way
or another the Jazz will have 17 mill worth of AK salary to play with and
another 10+ of Okur as an expiring. There is a lot more positive
change ahead. Harris will step up and grab the PG position or he will be a
caretaker until the real deal develops.Watch the draft.
One more item before I go beddie bye. Instead of drafting 2 rookies how about
maybe one and trade the other for and established player? That player I happen
to like is Chris Wilcox who is a free agent at seasons end with the Pistons.
Tonight he scored 27 pts on 12-18 from the field and 3-3 from the foul line, and
additionaly picked up 13 rebounds, 2 blocks, with only one turnover in just
24min of play. His salary for 10-11 was only 3mil. Now he would be someone we
desperately need @ 6'10" & 240 and is only an 8 year vet. Go get him
Kevin you can't get enough size to block the paint. That would free up milsap
along with Fess, Bell, Okur, Price, Elson and maybe A.K. for trades or whatever.
Also Det has 2 other PF in Villanueva & Maxiel they can keep. Do it, another
I raved about several times this year was Wallace who burned us last night, why
didn't we go and get him before Portland did?
CJ--I agree for the most part but who in the heck can guard Kobe, LJ, Wallace
and Carmelo? They will no doubt get their pts against even great defenders.
Don't you think SAP will create issues for them on O? I think he would.You're really convinced they dump Sap? Not sure but what makes you so
sure?I don't want to dump CJ yet and I have been firm on that but he
better not prove me wrong next year. I will be livid and I think you will be as
well. He has a lot to prove night in and night out. No more excuses; however and
with that said your boy Corbin better make some changes as he MUST utilize the
players strengths and talents. CJ can shoot the three but it cannot be his go to
shot/standing around 25 ft from the basket. He has to take it to the hole and
just play hard nosed bball. We need him at the line more...I agree
with you about Harris. I will give him a chance next year but not long-term as I
have said numerous times.
Amgolfer........Millsap can not play the 3. Could you seem him guarding Kobe,
Lebron and Carmelo? And I thought the 3 had to be a 3 point shooter? Houdini just cant accept the fact that Millsap will be traded away this
summer. Favors and AJ will be starting with CJ in the front court. That's just
too hard for him to swallow right now.Harris couldn't win in NJ and
he won't win in Utah. Trade him away.
@Old Timer--I hope your right man. Harris is quick and can run no doubt--it's
his other flaws that scare me "long-term." But Old Timer we will see
and you may right regarding Devon. He is no DWill but then again I am now
convinced we don't need an all-star PG. But I want a darn good floor general who
doesn't lack in skills with passing, penetrating, dishing, leadership and can
shoot the rock when needed.....If Harris can give be the floor GENERAL we need,
12-14 points/game, 10+ assists/game and limit the TO I will be one happy camper.
I will shut my mouth for good and eat every word gladly.Like most
players time will tell us all if he is the man for the job. I would like to be
developing another PG though....won't waiver from that. But, I will give Harris
a chance--you brought up a very valid and honest point Old Timer...
CJ Miles--I know Houdini mentioned in another post that SAP can play the #3 and
he has confidence that he can learn that position. There are going to inevitably
be match up problems but a lot of #3 on other teams have the same problem. I am
assuming that's what he meant. SAP and AJ don't do well when playing
#5 and #4 and we all know that. The Jazz are going to have to figure out proper
balance with this mess. We have to find time for Favors and we need a true C--AJ
is not the answer there vs larger teams. Small ball--yes and Favors can play
#4..or SAP at times. When resting AJ, Favors could move over to #5 and Sap at #4
when playing small ball. We have to be able to match other big teams and this is
my concern. Need a 7'0" who can bang, block and bound with the best of
them:) This is not quantum physics if you get me.
C'mon guys, if Harris does get others involved they(Al & others) are a black
hole and end up using clock and shooting 40% anyway. If these lazy players will
run with him they will get better shots, but you got to run if your going to
play with Harris. Watch the Bulls, they run with Rose, not watch him go! They
also defend and are the #1 defensive team in the NBA and doing it with 3 ex-Jazz
players who had to pick up on a new defense or sit on the bench. Thioubeau is a
defense coach first then offense. Why the Jazz coaches (Sloan & Corbin)have
not copied his schemes is beyond me. Game films are readily available to all
wanting them from the NBA. Whose 2nd best defensive team in the NBA once again
another team Thioubeau coached the Celtics! Need more be said? Last night was
another atrocious display of trying to protect the paint and leaving the
perimeter wide open. Let the bigs block the paint or find others who will, and
stay out on your man like the Celtics & Bulls do.
Houdini.....So you are saying that since AJ plays exactly where Millsap like to
play that it is causing problems for Millsap? But in the same post you think
Millsap should get more minutes. Does that mean you think that AJ should get
less minutes since they can't play at the same time?Also I am
confused that there is only 48 minutes for both of them to play. The Jazz
should pay them both 10 million each to do the same job. Sounds like good use
of money!!Just making sure I understand what you are
Corbin is a fool. CJ stunk it up on offense and then to add insult to injury he
loafed on defense while Batum devoured us...which was CJ's man.Add
up what CJ cost us and he pathetic effort at both ends of the court cost us the
game.Then again, fool number two name Corbin is a pathetic coach if
he could not see how lousy his effort was and yet he left him out there.Is CJ a veteran or not. He plays like a d-leaguer at best or a rookie.
Take your pick. Either way he is a joke.Those of you who are
clueless enough to think he is good, go take a look at his actual stats and you
will see you have been deluded by the one good performance he has every 6-8
games.We have waited long enough. Get rid of him and
trade one or more of the upcoming draft picks and get someone who can actually
play and will make an effort.Then lets draft a coach that can see a
player like CJ should not have gotten all those minutes last night.
Golfer,I still think cj and darius miles are related,both have the combined IQ
of a bent crowbar,as for millsap/aj I said long time ago they were getting in
each others way,aj moved right in to the spot Pauls loves.Yes I agree they
shouldn`t both play together much,but both need to get their minutes
Houdini--I hope you know I never said anything about Miles stopping Kobe--I have
more brain cells than to go there, seriously. We all know CJ has talent but your
right if he had more cognitive strength he would be a lot better.I
am not one of those folks who has ripped on Paul--I want to make myself very
clear on that. I just think he would be a better #3 than PF--nothing more.. He
is just too small when we need to go big. Sap and AJ should NEVER be our twin
towers underneath against the elite/bigger teams. I think you would agree with
that.My problem is going to be with the PG position. I won't
elaborate as I have made myself very clear in the past. Haywood I
think is our #2 in the future. Favors needs minutes and he will be good. I still
think we need a true #5 as well. AJ cannot bang with the best on D and gets
eaten alive night in and night out against the bigger teams, aka LA, Dallas, OK,
Golfer,gave you my opinion,didn`t mean to get snippy,but I get tired of all the
folks who don`t value or appreciate Pauls game.Compare Miles and Millsap,day and
night.If miles had half a brain and half a heart he`d be decent.As for miles
stopping colby,what a joke,colbee just had a bad shooting night,nothing
whatsoever to do with miles,aka diaper boy
@CocoNutzz--gotcha man...I just wanted to make sure...
@Houdini--hey man I'm trying to strike up an healthy conversation here about
Sap. I am not disagreeing with you whatsoever buddy. I love Sap and his game; I
don't want to get rid of him. I have been lobbying for him to play #3 at his
size (6'5"--I know at #3 it doesn't matter as much--moot point) and I have
been shot down by many posters that say there is NO way he can play #3 as he
would get eaten alive by quicker SF. I have disagreed with them as I have seen
his growth over the years and how he can intuitively adapt. I know Wallace, LBJ,
etc can't be stopped and no one can stop them in the league.Come on
Great one just trying to have a some good convo on the matter. I'm not trying to
start anything here. There is not reason to say you would follow him wherever he
goes. I hope we can hold onto him and develop him into a #3. I am on the same
page as you, Houdini...I just wanted your opinion on the matter...
@Holt56--you just can't compare Harris to Rose--ever. Look at the stat line.
Rose was +24 last night, also had 8 assist and 3 TO. No comparison whatsoever.
Rose can do that handily at any given point in time. He has WAY more talented
than Harris and no one that knows basketball would argue that. Plus, you said
it as Chicago spanked Boston with Rose going big. We got spanked on hour home
floor with Harris scoring big. I understand we didn't play that well but that is
no excuse. Look, I promised Jazzcop I would give Harris a chance
next year but he has to play a better/different game and improve. The point is
we don't need him to score big; we need to him to put up numbers like John S.
Chicago, most of the time, needs Rose to go big-unless Boozer or Deng can go big
and help him....
Bell....does it get any worse..
Who should be shipped out and gopne?Kirilenko, too injured.Okur, a one dimensional stiff.Al Jefferson, a defensive liability
and maybe bad luck AL.Millsap, too small, slow, untalented and now
soft.Fesenko, too Ostertaglike and not very seriousMiles, inconsistant and softCorbin, just does not know what he is
doing.Greg Miller, cannot hold a candle to his dad.
Hobbie....I can see you don't watch much basketball. Go look at Kobe's shooting
percentage against the Jazz this year.Let's see worst defenders on
Jazz team. 1. AJ2. Millsap3. Bell4. Harris5. Watson6. Maybe CJ fits in here along with Hayward
Cj Miles - That is laughable...CJ holds Kobe Bryant in check...come
on man...for real? CJ plays Kobe like a scared puppy with his tail between his
legs. To Kobe CJ is a stick of gum he chews up and spits out within two
offensive plays. CJ is one of the worst defenders on the Jazz, and
in the NBA. On the offensive note, I don't think he would be a 3rd
or 4th options offensively on a NBDL team. He just doesn't have the brains,
desire, competitive heart that it takes to success in the NBA. And he never
I think we should take a vote. Who think CJ Miles is a defensive liability? Also
I could list so many people that have lit up CJ that I would run out of words
for this post with just the first quarter of the season. But just thinking about
the last game: Batum to name one (21 points). Hobbie: I would trade
him for a piece of watermelon Hubba Bubba found under my daughters desk at
Sorry CJ Miles...but holbrosa1 is totally right on the money. At least with a
stick of gum you have a moment where there is a sense of satisfaction, and then
the gum serves its purpose of keeping your mouth and breath fresh. With CJ he
doesn't know his role, he is to mentally weak to stay engaged on either end of
the floor when his shot is not falling, and he is consistently bad. My only question, what wrigley gum, or hubba bubba for the trade?
Holbrosa......Tell me who has lit CJ up on offense? CJ defends just fine. His
+/- last night on poor shooting was the best of the starters. Must be defending
someone very well. He holds Kobe in check every time they play the Lakers. CJ
isn't a defensive liability.
CJ Miles- that is almost laughable. All those people you mentioned are great
defenders. They have all been on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd all defensive teams. If CJ
could be 33% from the 3-point line like these other guys, average over 25 points
a game, and make an all defensive team then obviously it a no brainer. But if
all he will be is a role player average 33% from the 3-point line, average 10
points a game, and be one of the worst defenders in the game....then we don't
want him. Role players need to draw attention from the stars. Teams know that CJ
can't hurt them on either side of the floor. I would trade CJ Miles for a stick
of Gum today!!
Inside the 3 point line, CJ is shooting 46%. Not great but not bad either. His
problem is he feels obligated to jack up 3 point shots due to his positioning on
the floor by the coach. Yes it is the coach who sets the plays on offense.My point is, when CJ shoots the ball inside of 24 feet, he is fairly
efficient as a shooter.Now it is Corbin's job as coach to use CJ's
abilities as a scorer in a more intelligent way.Same goes for
Millsap. He does not properly use Millsap's alilities to maximize his
performance. Playing along the side of AJ does not help Millsap. He is better
off the bench with Favors starting at the 4 or Fes starting at the 5. Millsap
is not a 3. Too slow.And please stop making excuses for Millsaps
defense last night. Wallace is not better than Kobe and you expect Hayward and
CJ to shut him down. Oh and by the way, the two have done that the last two
games against Kobe. Wallace is not Kobe.
holbrosa.......MJ would be the one the comes to mind. He was not a 3 point
shooter!! Kobe comes to mind next.....Not a great 3 point shooter.......LeBron
James......Should I name a few more????
Golfer,if you`re asking me whether Paul can shut down LBJ,Wallace and a few
others,no I`ll admit he can`t,but who can? If you are asking me if he can start
and contribute at a high level at the 3...no doubt in my mind,he has improved
every year he`s been in the leaque,and if coach tells him he`s the starting 3
next year I bet Paul would adapt very well,and whether he is 6`5,`6`6,or 6`4 who
Newsflash: nobody stops Wallace,NOBODY,he`s probably the most underrated player
in the NBA,so those of you blaming Millsap,you must of not watched the whole
game.miles,Hayward,Millsap and even Favors took their shot at him,he schooled em
all.As for Millsap he doesn`t need for "plays to be run for him" or
"be in exactly for perfect spot" no Paul is a real ballplayer who will
get his consistently.Trade him,waive him,I`ll follow his carreer as I do
Matthews,another "Real Ballplayer"
@amgolferNo, maybe I should of worded it different. But what I meant
to say is that people are downplaying Sap as a starter. He doesnt hinder the
team as much as people are making it out to be. Look at his numbers I posted
above. Those are starter numbers that ANY team would welcome in their starting
lineup. The problem is Sap could be nearing his ceiling while guys
like Favors, and Hayward are still developing their game that better suits our
team as starters in the future.If the Jazz brass and Corbin can
transplant those numbers onto the bench (Sap would win 6th man with those kind
of numbers) it would be better for the team going forward. With CJ and Sap off
the bench Sap can make up for CJ's inconsistency with a bench that needs scoring
badly.Sorry for not making myself more clearer in my other post.
CJ Miles- I understand what you are saying about not coaching Miles the right
way. But, tell me one good wing player that can't shoot the 3 pointer? Where
there might be a few of these name me one good wing player that can't shoot the
3 pointer and does not play good solid defense?Now trust me I am not a big
fan of Corbin at all, but the way the league is going you will either have to be
able to hit the 3 pointer on a consistent basis or you will have to be a great
defender/slasher type player. Miles doesn't fit either of those categories in
fact he is failing at both.
Derrick Rose had 29 points for Chicago last night, but they beat the Celtics
handily. So, let's not slam Harris for the failings of the other players. They
did not want to run the floor, did not want to play any defense or step in front
of anybody, and shot the ball like it was a shot put instead of basketball.
They let the paying fans down last night, and Greg Miller should offer refunds
to everyone who went to the game. There was no pride, no effort, and
professionals shouldn't act like that, even if there is little to play for this
@Coconutzz-what? you said SPA should be a starter and then said you don't think
he should start? He needs to come off the bench, period. I love Sap but
concerned about where he best fits.@The Great one--I totally agree
about Matthews. I too said "don't" match Portland. Wow, was I wrong,
freak. The guy is absolutely solid and I would love to have him back at his
current salary. Houdini, my question is do you think Sap can
actually develop into a solid #3? I have posed this question before and was shot
down due to his lateral movement/quickness in guarding the #3. In your opinion
what will he have to do to develop the necessary skills to play D on #3's. Slim
down, etc? I would love it if this could happen because I think it would be
huge. The question is can he do it? Are you thinking 10-15 minutes at 3 and then
back up the #4 at times?
Wes Matthews just another nice solid game,18 points on 4/7 shooting with 7
boards,and I`ll admit I was one of many calling for the Jazz not to match,man
what a mistake,Millsap another solid performance,our 3 (SF) of the future,with
Hayward at the 2 spot
We know Millsap can be a crafty beast when he is motivated. Maybe he got the big
paycheck and it ruined him like most "pro" players. Maybe it's not so
bad for the team because it gives management a lever to, at least, not give him
a raise on the next contract. Other teams will see his body of work and offer
accordingly if they are smart. The trouble (for us regular people) is, he will
still get many millions per year based on his ability to occasionally go berserk
in a game (CJ too). So go crazy occasionally to "prove" you can (to
whom?) then just give average effort for the other 90% of time. Maybe,
additionally, he has learned the "blue collar" ways of dogging his
work just slightly so he'll get "transfered". Blue collar attitudes
are not always great.
Oh Boy....!how can you guys say Sap is not a starter, Sap is getting
17 points, 8 rebounds, 2.5 assists, a block, and a steal per game, 53% shooting,
76% from the line, 20 PER, and is developing a 3 point shot.I have
said this before on here. Sap should not be starting since we have acquired
Favors. his development to this team should be the Jazz priority. If that means
moving a STARTER in Sap to the bench than so be it.It would kill my
love for the Jazz if they dont Develop Favors and Hayward by giving them
valuable minutes that they need.
amgolfer............I don't know enough about JVG's style to say if he is or
isn't the coach for the team. But someone in management needs to make a
decision on how to coach the talent on this team. We are not a pick-and-roll
team. There are guys like Harris and CJ who can creat their own
shots. Just like AJ can in the post. Then guys like Hayward work better coming
off screens. Millsap is more of a garbage man who has range around the
basket.But if you watch this team, three guys are standing around 26
feet from the basket watching while the wrong guys are trying to make plays.
Those guys should be setting screens for each other and back-cutting away from
the ball. Too much 1 man and 2 man game while others stand. A good offense
should involve all 5 players and make the defense pay for double-teaming.
@Anonigma--I hope your right but I just can't share your optimism. This isn't
about a few games while with the Jazz organization as Harris has never been a
great/true PG. In his career he has never been a pass first type of player-so
that's a moot point altogether. Even if other teammates are on this hasn't been
his mentality. I will give him a chance but I hope we can pick someone up to
develop as our long-term floor general/leader. Harris has to
penetrate, dish and get his teammates going regardless of the situation. If he
can pull a DWill and take over a game when need, especially at the end, then go
for it DH. The assists per game is unacceptable altogether and I think you would
agree. Don't get me wrong, I know Harris has game.Oh, Harris is a
very subpar passer as well. Again, I would like him to patter his game after
John S. I don't know if he's capable, as eluded to earlier, as he is set in his
ways. He's still young but a veteran now.
CJ, you think a JVG would be better suited to run the Jazz? I agree with you
110% about Miles. I don't think we have utilized his "true" talents as
a player. He can shoot the rock but it should never be his "go to
@amgolferYeah, I can see where you're coming from with Harris. Here's why
I liked him last night:a) the 3 pointers he did shoot were open
looks/buzzer shots. b) How can he be a pass first point gaurd if everyone
was off last night? c) He repeatedly was able to drive in and get a layup.
If he can be coached to kick it out when there is no layup, that kick out will
really help...but again, outside shooting is awful in the Jazzd) He hasn't
developed any chemistry with the team because of the injury and because he's
only played a small amount of games. That's why I figured the 7 turnovers. Some
of those were off pick n rolls with Jefferson and it took months for DWill and
Jefferson to develop that.Finally, coming back from an injury when
he could've just bailed out like 5 other players on the team was a good sign. He
also had some nice alley oops....which shows potential of his passing skills. I
see problems, but he can work at it...
Hobbie.....CJ is not a 3 point shooter. Jerry and Jerry Jr. make him stand out
there in the offense and shoot at the end of the shotclock. CJ is a
slasher with the ball in his hands. He can get by anyone when he puts it on the
floor and gets the glass. The problem is Jerry Jr. doesn't know how to coach CJ
and use his talents. Anyone on here can see that CJ is not a 3 point threat.
Yet watch where Corbin has him stand in the offense.A good coach
could get CJ to be a great offensive threat by running an offense that suits his
talents or just by positioning him on the court to his strong points instead of
CJ Miles - First off, I don't think Millsap can play the 3, and I
have said all year that he has lost his tough, lunch pail, attitude that made
him a good backup. He is clearly not a starter, and needs to accept 15 minutes a
game bench role, or get traded.Secondly, I have been a CJ advocate
thoughout his career in Utah...but enough is ehough. David Locke has a stat for
all three points shooters that have played 2000 mins, and shot a certain number
of 3 pointers and CJ ranks 115 out of 118. The only people that are worse are
John Wall (rookie), Trevor Ariza (at least he plays defense), and Brandon
Jennings. CJ thinks he is the black mamba, and shoots terrible, contested shots
all game long. When he plays within the offense he has moments of amazement on
the offensive end...problem is he only plays within the offense maybe 10% of the
time. Next problem is he plays horrible defense. CJ doesn't have it mentally.
Forgetyourself......Seriously, you would trade an All-Star caliber player to
keep a 6th man on the team? There is no question who is the better player in
the NBA. AJMillsap can not hold down the 4 spot on his own. He has
proven that this year with Boozer gone. The team got worse, not better with
@forgetyourself-trade a big? I love Paul but we have some obvious problems with
Paul and where he will fit in long-term. He is just not big enough to play PF
and gets eaten alive anymore when trying. After watching Wallace eat him alive
last night I'm not convinced the #3 spot is going to fix things. It will be
interesting. With how big a lot of the elite teams are we can't just dump a
legit 6'10 guy (AJ) and keep a very very undersized Sap (6'5 at the most). Jazz
brass and coaches have their work cut out for them regarding the matter.@CJ--brother you know I am with you on CJ and his talent. I want him to
return next year to see what he can do and also in the off season. But we just
can't compare him at all a "rookie." CJ has been in the league a lot
longer and there is just no comparison. Hayward could (key word-could) be a
great player for the Jazz. CJ has to really figure out the mental side of his
game--I think you would agree.
I would totally love to get Jeff V. as our head coach! I want corbin to
succeed...but he keeps showing me he will not...he makes bad decisions, and
doesn't hold anyone accountable. We will never be a tough team if our head coach
is not tough.
Big AL seems to not fit more than Paul. Look at the numbers. If we had to trade
some one I would say AL not Paul. Paul plays D and can rebound he always is a
team player and accepts any role he has. AL looks like he gives up too easy.
Remember all the games we won because of Paul. I wish that CJ wouuld figure it
out how to keep him self in the game but it could be Ty's fault for not running
the right plays.
Hobbie and Captain......hold on......CJ had the best +/- of all the starters
last night. You two hold this to such high regard but yet he is horrible and
needs to be traded? Kind of a double standard huh?Why didn't the
two of you mention the fact that your boy Hayward shot the ball even worse than
CJ?Or why didn't the two of you talk about how Harris had 3 assists
in the first 4 minutes of the game and then only 2 more the rest of the game?
Or the fact that CJ had more assists than Watson in less minutes and Watson
plays PG? Or that the two point guards combined for 6 assists in over 60
minutes of play?Or the fact that Millsap can not guard
anyone.......Wallace ate him up and you want Millsap to start at the 3. What a
@Anonigma--in my opinion I was not impressed with Harris last night. I could
care less that he had 26 pts--guess what? We got our buts kicked on our home
floor, again. He had 5 3-pointers, great--again, we were beaten. Harris HAS to
be a first pass then shoot PG to work in this system. His 5 assists and 7 TO
concerned more than anything--this can't happen. I have said it many times and I
will say it again--he is not a good floor general. We had so much success with
John S. because he was just the opposite of Harris--Harris should try (key
word-try) to pattern his game after John. With his quickness why doesn't he
break down the D more? Penetrate and dish? Get his teammates involved. Harris,
newsflash.... we DON'T need you score 26 pts. Give us 12-14 pts and 10+ assists
and leadership....not sure he is capable. B Russ & Captain
L--thank you for the comments on we need a "big" underneath and that
Harris is not the answer unless he changes. This isn't quantum physics here.
I agree with you guys. Harris is not distributing the ball or running the
offense. He's running his own offense and creating shots for himself while his
team mates are standing around uninvolved.
I do wonder if this controversial coaching is giving guys like CJ, Al, Millsap
and Harris a chance to play themselves in or out of the future of the team.
Gordon, Favors... we know they are the future, not so sure about the 4 above,
although because of games like last night, that picture is getting clearer.
Just wonder if we're going to have to give Harris as many games to fail as we've
given CJ. Hopefully he has more of a PG game in him because he has the
athleticism. Early indications are that its not him. It has only been a few
games for Harris though, he's new to the system and other guys so there's a
chance he can be good for us.
Another frustration last night was Corbin, he has got to play the rookies more
and help them develop. Favors was having a great game, the first half and was
hardly even used in the second half. Not good.
I'm not a Harris fan, I know he has been an all star and he can play well and
score, like he did last night, but I'm not impressed. He needs to look to get
his teammates the ball in areas they can score, it was frustrating watching
Harris dominate the ball.
I think we need Jeff Van Gundy as the next coach and either Sloan or Malone as
the new GM.
I hope that after this season we will get some kind of explanation as to why
Corbin is playing the unmotivated, going through the motion, play no defense
veterans (Miles, Al, and Millsap). When Corbin took out Favors in the 4th
quarter for Millsap I was dumbfounded. I think shortly thereafter Wallace went
off for 12-14 points. In a league where you need to get stops down the stretch
to win why on earth are we playing multiple defensive liabilities down the
stretch. Plus I am sick of Corbin's same post game interview speech he
gives every game. He cannot say anything good about the rookies without telling
us that they made a lot of mistakes. How about all the defensive mistakes the
"foundation" of this team makes on every possession. He should not be
calling out the rookies and their mistakes. He should be calling out the
veterans who should be leading this team and are not. Finally I agree with
the comments about Harris. I don't think he is the answer for this team. In my
opinion Hayward is a better option to instigate our offense and bring out team
Corbin just plain and simple is one of the worst jobs of NBA coaching I have
ever seen. Favors was out, Jefferson and Millsap played horrible...They seemto have a couple of guys Evans and Favors with any heart..The rest of the Utah
Titanics aka Utah Charmin aka Utah Sour Notes stunk it up...Harris is not a
passing point guard...look at Miller from Portland... When they showed Miller
in the stand, I am sure I saw a hair out of place...I thought wow, boy do we
miss his dad.
Totally agree with everything that has been said about Millsap, Harris, and
Favors. The plus/minus for Millsap was -12, and for Harris -15...while on the
other hand Favors was +1, and that is with hardly any time in the second half,
and nobody passing him the ball. Bottom line is Favors is a legit dominate big
man on both ends of the court (Malone), and Gordon is a legit wing with great
court vision, and team concept, not to mention a great shot. They are the future
of this team, and if Corbin isn't capable of pulling his head out and play them
more then Greg Miller needs to force the issue and trade people like Millsap and
CJ away. I have been saying all year that Millsap is a great bench player, but
not a starter. He is just to small at the 4, and way to slow at the 3.
Paul M. gave us 19/10 with his aggressive hustle on the offensive end.He might has well have stayed there. At the other end, Gerald Wallace got 29.
From the AP report of the game: "The veteran forward was repeatedly open
in the same spots on the floor".Millsap's man. Net result (in
points at least) = -10.
@Billy24Maybe Corbin sensed the same thing you point at, because in
the fourth quarter he inserted Watson as PG and moved Harris to SG. By next
year Corbin will have to insist that Harris' minutes be linked to how well he
runs the offense, not how well he shoots.
Not sure Harris is our future PG. He dominates the ball, looks for his own
first. Basically, he's a combo gaurd. When he has the ball, you can almost
feel the air let out of the rest of the team, probably because they aren't sure
if there's a chance they'll get a pass. Kinda like when Big Al is wanting to
get his own. Hayward has 3 or 4 times the PG mentality of Harris, not a good
While I see some bright things for the future its sad to see a great team being
dismantled! Thanks Greg and KOC.
I picked portland to win this game !
Favors had an strange fall on a dunk in the first half and didn't play much
afterwards. Not worth risking him on a game that doesn't matter like this.Also Reggie Miller made a good point before the game. He said that young
teams have a hard time in their next game after a big win. Looked to me like
thats what happened with Hayward not him getting frozen out. He had his chances
it just wasn't the same. In the same light VERY impressed with Favors and what
he did last night.
When Favors plays...good things happen.Develop the kid. Is Corbin
trying to get a beetter playoff seed or less ping pong balls?
Hayward was frozen out of plays with Harris. Maybe they need more time together.
I hope Devin will look to pass first and create for others. We need that in the
Jazz system. Favors TORE IT UP the first half. Then he doesn't get
back into the game until about 25 second left in the third and then gets pulled
after about 7 minutes into the 4th.Boggle, just Boggle...
Our twin towers ( Milsap,Jefferson) came up short defensively again. It's hard
to watch us continue to get dominated down in the paint while Favors and Evans
sit on the pine. The undersized double power forward combo has become a joke.
Come on Tyrone, man up down in the paint! Is this what we are to expect next
@Anonigmai think hayward got too much praise...maybe its because we
won against LA...and he was the catalyst...i think this time around...with
harris orchestrating the plays...i think it restricted him a bit...he wasnt free
to get the ball on a high post from a curl...or in the middle from a curl and
create from there...so i think it restricts him...im sure he'll find a way to
produce given the situation...he is still a rookie though...with his basketball
IQ im sure he'd get it and it wont take him 6 years to do it...
Why was Corbin playing Jefferson and Milsap? Both were doing AWFUL against
Wallace and Aldrige. Evans and Favors were much better match ups. But it doesn't
even matter anymore, so why not just play the rooks??Hayward got too
much praise, but he's still a rookie.Harris and Favors were the only
good players this game. Harris did great. Favors should've been in during
closing time. I've been lenient on Corbin because he's new, but even
a moron could've figured out that the rookies should have had more growing time,
especially Favors who did VERY good today. And CJ's outside shot has
officially become a turnover.
wish they had Millsap coming off the bench...Favors should start...awful
shooting night...hope they can get it together next year...
.500 season would of been nice....oh well. Favors had 1 foul and
only played 18 minutes....This is going to marinate with me for the whole
night....why Corbin?The offense went stagnant in the fourth...its
like they forgot how to run an offensive set, instead they offended all of us at
the game and the boo birds paid them back for it.They had plays
where it took them 10 seconds to get to there 1st option
I liked how Harris shot the ball, but I didn't like how he ran the team and he
didn't create for this teammates and get them easy looks. Hayward struggled in
his shooting but he and Harris didn't seem to mesh, especially in the first
half. Five assists and 7 turnovers, not good. Even though Hayward didn't shoot
well, I still like how he plays the game, he doesn't force things and he plays
smart.CJ stunk it up shooting, not anything too new or surprising.I
thought Favors looked great in the first half but wasn't given much of a chance
in the second half. I really liked what Favors was showing us though.Corbin is alot like Sloan, plays vets over rookies, even when he should be
playing the rooks.