Hedgie You may as well go ahead and eat those crickets. They and numerous
worms and grubs are the major source of protein in a hedgehog's diet. It's been
long established by myself and others that the 1984 Holiday bowl with it's
winner i.e BYU... the totally unquestionable consensus selected National
Champions did in fact tumble the holy grail of College Football by being the
only bowl to Crown a National Championship from a game not played on College
Football's Sabbath...New Years Day... or in their 3 holiest shrines. The Rose,
the Sugar or the Orange Bowls. Yes...BYU was indeed the reason for the BCS.
You have in your overly obvious jealousy just made the distinction of being the
first Utey to publicly admit the truth. Congratulations!!!
GOOD ARTICLE....so, where is the best place to send our voices of disgust to?That place needs to receive a flood of complaints. I always knew there were
some fat slobs collecting money from this. Meanwhile if someone buys a college
athlete a Happy meal from McDonalds, an entire college is in trouble! Sounds
like the corrupt world of today's high and mightly filty rich!
It wasn't created because it was a 'travesty', brainiac. A mid major won a legit
NC and the schools with the money didn't like it. So they designed a system that
would forever leave out the possibility of a mid major winning it again. It
worked, hence Utah was left out in 2008. The Bowl Coalition and then the Bowl
Alliance was created. Because of the anti-trust issues associated with them,
brought on mainly by what BYU did in 1996 and 2001, also as well as great
seasons by TCU and Tulane during this time, the newly formed BCS was compelled
to include the lesser conferences. The first beneficiary of this inclusion was
Utah in 2004. Worked like a charm because the Utes were just happy to be there
and didn't worry about being shutout of the opportunity to go for an NC. You actually believe it's a foolproof plan to ensure undeserving
programs don't get a chance? They've duped you because it's really a foolproof
plan to ensure that no one outside their fraternity ever gets a chance. How
quickly the newest PAC-12 member has forgotten 2008!
"Only ever brought up as a 'travesty' by BYU-hating supposed Ute
fans"Naked.You might not like the word but this is
Y the BCS was created. And every big conference president signed off on it.I know all byu fans can't see the other side of the argument. Y? because
it doesn't help your cause.
Only ever brought up as a 'travesty' by BYU-hating supposed Ute fans. Who could
possibly expect them to recognize the consensus, unanimous National Champion?
Much like the Jimmer sweeping the 9 major POY awards and claiming it a farce. It
is good comedy though.
"you do realize the BcS didn't invent the Rose Bowl, the "Granddady of
them all," don't you?"Humble,Yes I do. Infact
the BCS was created in part to stop such travesties that happend in '84.Let me ask you this, How many PAC12 university presidents have a problem
with the BCS.crickets crickets crickets
hedgehog, you do realize the BcS didn't invent the Rose Bowl, the
"Granddady of them all," don't you? Probably not. The BcS didn't invent bowls. They just turned them into a cartel.
Unfortunately, the "amateur student athlete" will eventually succumb
to the trash heap of history, as did the once "amateur Olympian
athlete". Remember that time period? It wasn't that long ago.
Professionalism cannot be stopped.Money screams.
Joe, my comments would not be any different. But people need their privacy.
I think the BCS needs to be replaced by real playoffs - but this article just
sounds like sour grapes.
If there was no BCS, the PAC 12 would still have the Rose Bowl. The PAC 12
would be better off if there was a real National Championship playoff.
There were 54 comments when I read this story.ALL OF THEM, 100% were
made anonymously. They are all entirely worthless.When will the
Deseret News upgrade its comment section? Why would the Deseret News encourage
anonymous comments? Sure, if people had to sign their names they would be more
thoughtful and that means they would be more careful in their comments and bring
a higher level of intellect and objective discussion.Why not?Joe Watts
Listen to roughd. He is correct."Quit responding to hedgehog,
he's not representative of Ute fans."
The BCS and associated Bowl Games are turning NCAA Football into "NFL
Lite", right down to the fraud, the excess budgets, the trashy
entertainment, and the overall fraudulent (and probably criminal) misuse of
tax-free funds. The university presidents involved are derelict in their
failure to reassert control of this. If anything screams for an NCAA sponsored
football playoff, this mess is it. If it's not fixed soon, the BCS and the
massive amounts of uncontrolled money will destroy the sport of college
football. The college basketball tournament works great -- it's time, and
actually well past time, to chuck a spear in the heart of the BCS and go to a
playoff system that includes all Division 1A champions. Smaller non-playoff
bowls could work like the NIT does for basketball. It's time, folks ... gotta
get it done before the sport we love is destroyed by money and greed.
'C'mon original BCS Busters don't quit now! The BCS does not feed you, the PAC
12 does."Razzel,You do realise without the BCS the
PAC12 would not be guaranteed a BCS bowl game (muliple BCS games in a good
year). that's millions of dollars out of the Utes pocket.I suspect
Utah will not be honking the anti-bcs horn anytime soon.
You can like the PAC 12 and still hate the BCS. To defend the BCS is to say
that Utah was not the disputed 2008 National Champions, which they clearly
are.I wish the 2008 team was still here so Utah could continue to bust the
BCS by embarassing a qualified conference in their first year. But, not to be,
so it looks like many Utah fans will just swallow the 2008 controversy quietly
and lay low.C'mon original BCS Busters don't quit now! The BCS does not
feed you, the PAC 12 does.
Don't watch BCS games. Don't buy the products they advertise. What else can we
I really wish I knew how it came to be that NCAA Division 1 was renamed the FBS,
Football Bowl Subdivision.I'd really like to know this. This
renaming in my view reinforced the B in BCS at a time when it was becoming clear
that the best way forward would be an NCAA playoff instead of a BCS system
organized around "elite" bowls. It is almost as if the NCAA was
buckling to the bowls at a time when it should have been asserting is
responsibility to hold a playoff.
Power hungry executives work for hand picked Boards that facilitate corruption
in our society. I've worked as a financial executive in several companies and
know first hand the excesses that the rich and powerful feel they are entitled
to receive. Some of these men had started these businesses and they seemed to
respect the wealth better because they had known poverty, risking everything to
build their dreams. Generally, it was the second or third generation that
disrespected the hard working legacy of the founders and just wanted to party
hard. I saw many expense vouchers come through our accounts payable department
for lavish trips, expensive gifts and high priced art, cars and planes.
Executives do these things knowing that the IRS generally ignores most of these
type expenses because they are approved by the federal tax code. Eventually this
type of behavior will stop if our elected leaders pass effective tax reform.
Don't hold your breath because most of them are already too corrupted to want to
change the system. Elect good people for our representatives and hold them
accountable every election cycle.
That bowl of Tostitos in the picture sure makes me hungry. Pass the salsa.
"How does such a lucrative deal come about? by leaving many programs
out."Ahh, so hedgehog is exclusionary. Anyone surprised?
I'm a Ute fan, looking forward to the enhanced revenue of the PAC-12 tv deal,
and the increased opportunities in bowl game, etc., but it certainly doesn't
mean I think the BcS is suddenly the greatest thing. It still stinks to high
heaven. When they do national polls and 90% of college football fans are against
it, that's including most of the fans of BcS conference schools. As was
mentioned, this is no longer the big schools against the small schools, its
college football vs. a small cartel of incredibly corrupt slimeballs.The hundreds of millions of dollars left on the table annually is the real
crime. Here we have an incredibly popular product, in huge demand. The
excitement of a true playoff in college football would put the NFL to shame.Quit responding to hedgehog, he's not representative of Ute fans.
"You're just a puppet in the hands of men that only care about becoming
rich"I'm assuming "you're" means Utah?In
such case I would recommend you reading the UofU article concerning the
lucrative revenue sharing deal with the PAC12...I'm guessing Utah has no qualms
about being "the puppet". How does such a lucrative deal come about?
by leaving many programs out.It's all about how big the slice of pie
you get and who gets what. Sure, you can make a larger pie (playoff) but that
comes with a smaller slices (by adding non AQ).
"Yes I trully expect all you BYU fans to encourage the Y to turn down that
invitation to the Big 12 you so covet if and when it ever arrives!!"When it comes, I'll still be opposed to the BCS system because it's an
utterly foolish way to detemine a national champion.
Re: Ibleedcrimson,I guess we have to spell it out very carefully.
What's hypocritcal is ridiculing a system as being unfair just a few years ago
to only sing it's praises and infallibility now. Having a desire to belong to a
conference that increases your exposure as a program and your ability to
actually compete for that ultimate goal that every athlete and fan aspires to--a
National Championship--is different than embracing the concept of the BCS as
being fair and going as far as to label this article a snowjob and that it would
never have "seen the light of day" had it been the
"hometown" team that got a BCS invite. Ignoring the appalling
corruption outlined in this story is what I mean by "embrace".
skippy, you blew it---the sentiment expressed, "i want a piece of
that" is exactly the problem with fighting corruption---we should say
"i don't want any part of that and i don't want you to have any part of
that either"---in fact we should be doing all we can to remove the money
power in our culture and lives---we should be acting in our jobs and in our fun
just because we want to do it or enjoy doing it and that is what student-athlete
really is supposed to be---even if we don't know what deals our dads are trying
to make behind our backs---
Hedge,The difference between you and me is that even though I may
aspire for my favorite team to belong to a conference where they are given an
equal opportunity to compete for notoriety, exposure and national championships,
I will never praise the BCS like you have done. What is unfair yesterday and
today will be tomorrow. What is morally corrupt does not change just because
your perpective might change.
"Very true. But let's be honest EVERY non AQ would jump at the chance to
join the Good 'ol boys club.... including the Y.Saying anything else
would be..well hypocrital." Ohhhh burnnn!!!Yes I
trully expect all you BYU fans to encourage the Y to turn down that invitation
to the Big 12 you so covet if and when it ever arrives!!
Hedge,What you fail to understand is that belonging to an AQ BCS
Conference does not mean you belong to the "Good 'ol Boys Club". The
"Good 'ol Boys" are the ones that line their pockets through greed by
capitalizing on a system that is unfair and cronyistic. We're all pawns in their
corruption and the reason why the likes of you sit back happy and sing their
praises is because they pay the AQ Conferences well to not speak out against the
very system that makes a very few very wealthy. You're just a puppet in the
hands of men that only care about becoming rich, that have no honor and could
care less about the sanctity of competition. It's time it changed.
1.4 million government grant! Are you kidding me? No wonder we are so messed up.
Everyone is tanking because of the economy but sports and athletes salaries just
continue to get higher. I want a piece of that!
Re: In My Humble OpinonI agree that it's sickening and appalling the
amount of money the wrong people are making off of the student-ATHLETE. But
paying them, in my opinion, is not the answer because then they become
professional athletes. Take away their amatuer status, which resonates with a
lot of fans as being combined with passion to play only for love of the game,
and they lose a lot of their appeal. If you start paying college athletes then I
believe that fan interest diminishes and the aura of college athletics is
utlimately diminished. Maybe the Olympic Model is something to
consider where the athletes are allowed to profit on their marketability through
endorsements but do not get paid for competing in their actual sport. That,
however, wouldn't change how universities, boosters, the NCAA etc. profit off of
the athletes through ticket sales, memorabilia and TV and I also believe it
would hurt smaller programs since the star athletes would consider even less
than they do now of attending a school where there is less exposure.
" were all lambasting the unfairness and corruptness of the "Good 'ol
Boys Club" who "robbed us of a National Championship".
Hypocritical indeed."Very true. But let's be honest EVERY non
AQ would jump at the chance to join the Good 'ol boys club.... including the
Y.Saying anything else would be..well hypocrital.
What none of this mentions is that going to a bowl itself is a junket. How can
a school possibly lose money going to a televised bowl game? Because school
officials, coach's wives, players wives, bands, cheerleaders, trainers,
janitors, busboys from the school cafeteria, all get to go to the game. It is time to start putting money into player stipends and not into
multi-gazillion dollar training facilities, not into katrillion dollar
recruiting budgets, and not into multi-million dollar coach's salaries. Kyle,
Bronco, Rose, even Kwhatever are making dollars of the scale LaVell, Wooden,
Lombardi never dreamed of. How is that? Revenue has increased, a million
Little-Red-Hen hands are in the cookie jar, but the players' hands get slapped.
Train for hours a day for 52 weeks a year, neglect your studies, but whatever
you do, don't get paid in proportion to the revenue you generate.I
made more money in my summer job during school than every guy playing ball at my
college got from his scholarship, and yet the PAC will pull in $20-$25 million
in TV revenue. Fair? No.
hedgehog"I'm not saying what the BCS is completely above board
but neither was the replay at the SDSU game...again if it works don't mess with
it."Saying the BCS is not "completely above board" is
like saying the Titanic was not completely water tight.And really,
trying to equate an error in judgement with blatant graft and corruption shows
just how detached from reality you really are.The BCS is standing in
the way of a tournament that would dwarf The Big Dance in fan support and
excitement, and would generate four to five more revenue for everybody than the
BCS. FIFTEEN meaningful games, instead of one, to determine a champion on the
field.And the only thing preventing that from happening are a bunch
of good ol' boys wearing bright-colored blazers and busily lining their own
i think the action of the bcs in reprimanding the fiesta bowl speaks to the
monopoly charges---if the bcs really does have the power to black ball the
fiesta bowl that proves the monopoly and now the justice department can take
steps to break it up just as they did at&t---frankly it has
always been about the money and the ncaa failing to step up---nothing at all
needs to be done about the bowls if the ncaa would only act---they took years
but eventually wrested the playoffs away from the nit in basketball---they could
sponsor playoffs in division 1 football with or without the bowls if they wanted
to---they know how to do it but they don't have the will to do it---lets get
after the ncaa to create the will---
Hedge,You're schtick is now completely in the realm of the absurd.
How hypocritcal of any Ute fan to now fully embrace the BCS when only 3 years
ago you were all lambasting the unfairness and corruptness of the "Good 'ol
Boys Club" who "robbed us of a National Championship".
The BCS corruption is so obvious to everyone, that it is ignored. The similar
corruption in business is also quickly forgotten. The big missing piece in
Doug's article is that the NCAA is as corrupt as the BCS. How much further do
you need to go that the NCAA President pulling down a $2 mill salary plus bonus?
The guy must be really smart and deserve every penny. The only
logical arbiter is the Federal Government, but then we can already hear the
screams of the right even from this distance. The modern standard of ethical
behavior has moved from "its either right or wrong and everyone should know
the difference" to "it's not illegal". So we will continue to
wallow in this swamp until they are all indicted.
Let's be honest tds fans, the elite BCS conference prograns aren't complaining.
And at the end of the day.... that's all that matters. It works for them and if
the Non AQ teams want something different for themselves...then create something
different... and by the way, good luck.I'm not saying what the BCS
is completely above board but neither was the replay at the SDSU game...again if
it works don't mess with it.
I too find it disturbing that people don't get upset about this. It's like the
people who say about the Giants fan that was assaulted "He was wearing
Giants apparel at Dodger Stadium, he had it coming". Really??People find these things acceptable? Corruption like this is acceptable or
even expected? That is a sad statement on society.I find it
outrageous that part of my money as a student is finding it's way into these
gonefishin67 | 8:58 a.m. April 8, 2011 Kaysville, UTThe
equivalent of your reasoning would be: "Why should we worry
about this person cheating on their taxes, I was robbed!""Who cares if you were robbed, my daughter was raped.""Who cares if your daughter was raped, mine was murdered!"Your logic is one of the reason corruption grows nearly unabated in this
world. We should be outraged at ALL corruption. Pick and choose
movies. Pick and choose shirts. Combating corruption is not a matter of
prioritizing, it is a matter of making it unacceptable.
You poor delusion Ute fans that think this is just jealous BYU fans complaining.
Read the artile again. This is huge in Arizona. There are state legislators that
are going to loose their jobs and there are people who are going to be indicted
and serve jail time. Look at the examples of where the money has been spent that
are reported in the article and you tell me if any of these three bowls still
deserve to be around.I don't like the BCS and this might provide the
motivation to get rid of it but to say that this type of activity is normal or
that BYU fans are jealous just puts you into the same group of individuals that
are running the corrupt bowls. At the very least, the NCAA or states should take
over and run the bowls.
I find it sad that people can read about such outrages and respond with "it
is to be expected", or "so what". I think college sports have
gotten pathetic anyway, but these BCS thieves have moved scams to a new level.
The Big DanceIn April 2010, CBS and Turner Broadcasting agreed to
pay $10.8 billion from 2011 to 2024 to carry the NCAA mens basketball
tournament. The new contract is worth $771 million a year.The BcSIn the fall of 2008, an agreement was reached in which ESPN will pay
$125 million annually through January of 2014 to broadcast the Fiesta, Orange
and Sugar Bowls, and the BCS Championship Game the network already had the
rights to the Rose Bowl. After the completion of the 2010 college
football season, the BCS distributed $142.5 million of revenue from its five
bowl games to the 12 conferences and independents in the FBS.Experts
have predicted that television rights for a 16-team major college football
tournament would be worth between $700 million and $1 billion.Thanks
to the archaic bowl system, major college football is leaving over $500 million
on the table, while fatcat bowl executives are siphoning off millions from
"charitable" bowl funds.
Let's face it being outraged over anything tied to the BCS is a waste of time.
College football fans have been outraged over the organization and the way they
do things since day one. If the outrage would have been expressed it wouldn't
have changed anything in this case either. If the BCS, NCAA and all those tied
to the BCS cared about the fan's outrage we would have a playoff system in Div.
1 or the FBS by now.
Doug, Doug, Doug,Why so frustrated?These guys have found
their little heaven on earth. Why do you have to rain on their parade? These guys are special. They are god's gift to man and football. They
are, like our politicians, better, or a higher grade of human than the rest of
us.Leave them alone. Let them have their place. After all, they
really ARE better than everyone else...more deserving. Sheesh.
AZ Native...yes like what the IOC and the USOC tried to perpetrate until the
UTOC got rid of the USOC's handpicked crook and got Mitt Romney to replace him
turning what was looking like a minus 2 million dollar debacle into an 11
million dollar success. Those BCS stiffs get Fortune 500 salaries and bonuses
for hosting one single game...and they still feel they're owed more to the point
that they steal money from the very conferences that they are built on top of.
ESPN's Collin Cowherd has an earfull as to why the NCAA needs to get a handle
and take back College football from the Coroprate thugs that stole it away from
What will happen when the dust settles? About the same as what happened to
Auburn & Cam Newton, because he supposedly knew nothing about his dad's
efforts to get money from the highest bidder!
106 out of 120 schools go under - well dah, NCAA need to step in and boot those
bcs big rigs off the planet.
I liked the article and the detail is brings to light. I believe the BCS is
totally corrupt and has been for a long time. Because of money the BCS
good ol boys will fight to the death to keep it this way.Because of money
the NCAA will do nothing. They are totally gutless and have been bought.Because of money many of the nations top football programs will continue a
corrupt system. Because of money the networks will jump through hoops
trying to secure rights to the bowls they way they are.The players
and the fans deserve a playoff system. It would be fair and would end the
monopoly of the big bowls being held at the same place every year. This is the
biggest fear of the BcS execs. The extravagant life style they get to enjoy
would end if they had a playoff and the games were all played at the highest
seeded teams stadium with the exception of the championship game...Just like the
Hello Doug! Where have you been? Do you not realize how wide spread this is in
all of business, government, and public charity's? Almost every executive from
most any company, government level, and charity has the same thing going. Look
around and you can see it right here in your own back yard. Do you read your own
papers front page? I'm not trying to justify this but it is common place. It is
not just the big bad BCS as you vilify. It is part and parcel to the greed in
every aspect of our lives. Just deal with it and move on.
Standard Operating Procedure.Kind of like the Winter Olympics in SLC
Where's the outrage? The BCS is helping to raise my children. They
are helping me pay my taxes. They are an overwhelming force for peace and
tolerance in the Middle East. The were the first in and have vowed to be the
last out in Japan. They have single handedly brought our deficit under control.
They are the only force who is dealing with the drug cartels in Mexico.I think we need to spend all our time, energies, and money on this
outrage!(or maybe it really doesn't matter)
First of all, is this not horrible writing. To introduce and talk about a topic,
"Fiesta Bowl scandal" and not once describe or give detail about the
actual scandal? Second, Nothing will change, Nothing, until the schools
take a stand. Someone at some point has got to say "NO, thank You" to
the BCS. Just for once be willing to turn down some of the money, and tell them
to shove it. If everyone agrees that the BCS is a crock, but yet they all play
their game and give in to them, because they are the ones that hold the purse,
then stop whining. It is easy for most sports fans to see the vast
difference between the NCAA basketball tournament and the month of bowl games.
Which would you rather watch?
Doug...You need to contact ESPN'S "The Herd". Collin Cowherd in Big
10 country has plenty of outrage about the Fiesta Bowl scandal and a total
disdain for what he says are alledged financial coverups going on right now at
the Orange bowl. Perhaps some of you Sport Hacks need to really get out there
and do a little investigative work before 20/20 or 60 minutes get a hold of the
story and run with it. That's probably the reason for the sudden silence The
big boys are holding onto what is really happening for their own stories.
Utah fans won't complain - we know who butters our bread!
Business is business but if they are getting my tax money to attend strip clubs,
the plug needs to be pulled on any subsidies or tax advantages.
Oh please! Really, the shock and indignation is a little over the top. In
every organization where a few hold the prized seats, you will find someone who
has acted outside the lines of propriety. From sports organizations, to
corporations, Wall Street, politics, and even in side churches, there are those
that use their power to improve their own condition.This is not a
BCS issue. It is a "win at all cost" issue. It has become morally
unacceptable to come in second place. Fighting the good fight - and losing - is
looked down upon. Sports team boosters want their teams to win, at all cost.
It happens at the U, and it happens at the Y. Just look at the
comments here in the DNs sports pages. People say things they would never say
outside the realm of sport to other people. And yet, when it comes to sports,
all morals and ethics are thrown aside in support of the team. It
is therefor shocking to me that this writer pretends to be shocked by this.
This is nothing more than what is expected, and is old news just like the
question if Barry Bonds cheated.Enough indignation.
"Your overwhelming hatrid of the BCS makes your reporting anything but fair
or impartial. It becomes laughable"Agreed.It sounds
like the dnews has been mandated by the corporation to grind the axe. Trust me,
if the denews "home team" got an invite from a BCS conference this
story would have never seen the light of day.
What IS exactly the NCAA's role in all of this? What would happen in the NCAA
stepped forward with a playoff proposal and said they would actually do
something? Why don't they? That would be an interesting story...
To gobigblue: Everyone should be offended by the BCS. The column is on the
money. The question is now why isn't the NCAA? Why aren't you? Not being
disrespectful. Just asking.
Your overwhelming hatrid of the BCS makes your reporting anything but fair or
impartial. It becomes laughable.
Hey utes, welcome to the corrupt BCS! Don't step in the crap!
The immediate response by the BCS to try to distance itself from the Fiesta Bowl
was so obvious as to be laughable. The real question is where is the response
from the NCAA, the real owners of NCAA football, saying the BCS needs to clean
its house or the NCAA will sever all ties with them? Where is their outrage?
What are they doing to protect and defend the colleges, players and fans?
And we are supposed to be surprised by the BCS ethics? Yea, right. We should
all be outraged, with with the likes of Junker and his friends, this will be
blown over and forgotten. When was the last time you bought a
Tostitos product? Dont' buy another Tostitos product and the sponsor of the
Fiesta bowl will surely take notice and this BCS thing will be cleaned up.
Somehow I'm reminded of an article from 1996 in which this same author slams the
bowl alliance about their poor choice of leaving BYU out. (IE-BYU is the
pre-existence of BcS realignment (the very reason utah/bs/tcu ever got into a
BcS bowl)).Anyways, the behavior doesn't shock me one bit. In fact,
I'm surprised he didn't get promoted.
Excellent article. And seriously, where is the national spotlight on these
corrupt execs padding their disgusting pockets? How did NCAA football turn into
a filthy money laundering front. We need to take the power back.