Too much praise for Hayward at the moment. The dude had his first really big
game. He should have stayed in college one more year.Let's reserve
the love for this kid until he becomes a little more consistent.
Most of the guys coming in should have stayed in college a few more years but
the NBA teams have to draft them because they will be so good and have so much
potential. It is just how it works now, they wanna get paid and I can't blame
them. And I agree he is getting a little too much praise, he has been pretty
consistent though over the past month in shooting but just never had the ball in
his hands that much like last game against the Lakers. But I say we still just
let him work hard and don't tell him he is finally "broken" out...this
is why players go into slumps once we all start praising everything they do and
they don't have that fire anymore.
As Hayward gets more minutes I think he will gain some consistency. I still
think because he hasn't played a ton of minutes this year his confidence will be
a little shakey. I'm afraid if he misses a couple of shots he will tense up and
quit looking to shoot. By next year he will have the confidence to keep shooting
through a little slump to get his shot back again. But one of the best thinks
about Hayward is that even if his shot is off he still contributes in other
Let's give this guy sometime...Two good games does not make a superstar..Let's
hope they do not shower this guy with undeserved cash like they did Ostertag and
the equally worthless Kirilenko.
I also agree that Hayward is getting too much praise. CJ and Fess got a lot of
praise after the playoffs last year and that hype didn't materialize into what
fans expected this year. I will say this though, because of Hayward
and Favors' recent play I am much more excited about Jazz games now than I was 2
months ago. This Portland game is now much more interesting because of how well
the rookies are playing.I do think that Hayward and Favors have a
different makeup than CJ and Fess that should equate to a more promising future.
There is also the difference between 2 2nd round gamble picks vs a #3 overall
and a #9.Both rookies have a long way to go, but they are showing
they are on the right path.
@SokolHe's on a rookie contract. We wont be dealing with the
extension until 2014 when he becomes a restricted free-agent and we can match
any offer made.Same goes for Favors.
I like the fact he has been brought along slowly this season allowing him to
improve his skills and body while he gains more and more confidence every day.
We have all watched his shooting improve throughout the year but he has never
taken many shots. I have noticed more aggressiveness over the past couple weeks
and it seemed to really grow in the Laker game. He had never had the ball in his
hands like he did against the Lakers so we will have to see if that continues or
not. What I saw, is was what Gordon said. He is trying to be more aggressive.
The other thing I saw is confidence from his team mates that I have never seen
before. Confidence starts within yourself and grows from there. When
other people start to trust you, your confidence grows bigger. Thats how players
become stars. That is the biggest reason rookies struggle in the beginning. It's
not that they lack the skills. They simply have to earn the coaches trust and
the players trust and mentally, that's a difficult thing to overcome. The NBA
is for the mentally tough.
Agreed Sokol. That is the one thing that worries me about this rebuild. How are
we going to pay all these players in the next 2-3 years when their contracts are
up. We will also have 2 lottery picks coming up as well which could generate 2
more future stars. I guess we just need to let the chips fall and see what
I think the Jazz should go after Grant Hill in the free agent market. I know
his best years are behind him - LONG BEHIND HIM - but just think what he could
teach in practice each day these young players. He goes after it in a way we
had hoped Bell would go after it. Bell is a bitter disappointment.
I have always loved Grant Hill and have thought the same thing however, I don't
think he will leave Phoenix to come to Utah and like you said his best days are
long behind him. He would probably just end up being like Bell.
I'm just grateful for a bright spot for one night.
Calm down people. Too much praise? As far as I have read he has not been given
praise for anything besides what he has done...which is essentially carry the
Jazz IN LA against the World Champs.Nobody has said he is on his way
to an allstar game etc. Nobody said he is supplanting Kobe.Kevin
Durrant and now Kobe have been complementary of him so clearly players who know
how to play believe Hayward can.Give him his due. The guy has shut
his mouth and worked hard and finally some of it is working out for him.Clearly he has more athletic ability than most people gave him credit
and clearly he is starting to figure out how to use it.Of course he
is still a rookie and he will struggle and do dumb things. People are excited
and rightly so given then fact this team has looked like a dismal mess until
Hayward and Favors have showed us something lately.Everyone is
panicking over contracts years down the road. Relax and solve later.The Jazz always get a core group and make their run. Then if no success, they
make major changes and start over.
Good points Jazz Source... Good points..
I agree he should have stayed in college one more year but he didn't and
deserves the praise for this last game. Bigger and better things from Hayward
are coming just keep watching!
You can spin each game however you want to spin it. However the season is 82
games long and all players have their ups-and-downs.Looking at all
games played, the biggest contributors to the team have been AJ, Millsap, CJ and
AK.Guys like Hayward, Favors, and Harris still need to prove their
worth to the team.Guys like Fes, Bell and Elson have proven they are
not needed for next year.Hayward may be the hero today but where has
he been all year? He needs to be able to bring it more often than not. So far
this year he has been more "not" and less "yes". Hopefully
he finishes the year out strong and brings it next year. Same with Favors.It takes 8 players to win in the NBA. The Jazz are close if everyone
steps up their game next year.
What about trading our picks to move up and grab Williams or Harrison and then
go get Rip Hamilton. Bam two shooting guards, one for now and a rookie to work
in. We have some trade bait. Addressed our shooting needs and have money to go
get a good backup center.
Re the Jazz Truth:Trading up in the draft is a real possibility, but after
what KOC did to Portland to get D Will it's going to be hard to find a GM
willing to trade down with us. I think the Jazz will end up keeping the picks.
As far as spending money on free agents goes: if I'm the Jazz I'm
more concerned about spending to try and get Tomic out of his contract and
bringing him over this year than spending money on older pricey veteran swing
players. Neither Fess nor Elson have much of a future with the Jazz, but it sure
would be nice to have another young 7 footer with potential if Okur can't stay
healthy.The Jazz should act as if Hayward is the 2 of the future, CJ
and Bell will make fine backups.
Not sure if it's credible but I am hearing that Tomic is not coming along nearly
as quickly as expected, he plays little defense and does not rebound well. I am
not sure we want a guy like that at this point. If we are concerned about Okur's
long term health, I think I would look elsewhere. Possibly to a player like
Macus Cousin who we signed to a 10 day contract earlier this year or someone
else. I still have faith that Okur will be back healthy and ready to
contribute next year. I think he just needs more time to strengthen that calf
and let his back heal. When he played this year, he was not terrible so that
leads me to believe he will be healthy next year. Also, they were going to try
and bring him back before the end of the season but decided it might be a bad
idea to rush him. Now he has about 6 or 7 months to get healed up and maybe
longer depending on a possible lockout. Hey CJ Miles: Your just
upset that CJ might loose his starting job to Hayward. Common Admit it...LOL
@CJ Miles: You're right about Hayward's production for the year and we'll see
what he can do the rest of the year but you have to admit, he looked fantastic.
He made plays for his teammates. He drove and dished, he went left, he went
right and no one could stop him. He made the Lakers great defenders look
silly.I think what really happened is he gained the confidence of
his teammates. It's been building little by little. It started a few games ago
and came to a head in the Laker game. Before that game he rarely touched the
ball. He never had plays run for him and I mean never. The bulk of the plays
have been run for Jefferson, Millsap and Miles and that's a fact. In the Laker
game, his teammates started to look to get him the ball and that's something
that hasn't happened this year at all. They started to trust him and the part I
loved the most is that Hayward seemed to want to carry the team. He wanted to be
the one to make the play and he excelled.
Montana....... I don't need to worry about that. When Bell and AK are healthy,
Jerry Jr. will make sure neither CJ or Hayward start!! Jerry Jr. likes the slow
starts which is Ok with me. He just makes CJ look better when he comes in and
gets them back in the game.Okur will never step a foot on the Jazz
floor in a Jazz uniform. He is toast!! If Tomic were so good,
don't you think the media would be talking about him? There is so many media
members, they are always looking for a story. Tomic is not in the mix nor does
he have the talent.
Hayward was Williams punching bag.Williams is gone.We
all know how Sloan treated young players.Sloan is gone.The season is "over". There is no pressure coming from a super star
or a veteran coach.Can you imagine Williams saying what Kobe was
quoted as saying about Hayward?Hayward is beginning to
"show" what he has.Time will only tell what he will bring
in the future.
Not sure why anyone would say that CJ is a major contributor in the Jazz season
unless you are saying a major reason why the Jazz didn't make the playoffs!! 40
percent shooting doesn't cut it. The biggest thing I liked about Hayward's
improvement this season is his ability to put the ball on the floor, see where
all 5 guys are and make the appropriate play at the right time. That's pretty
good for a rook, let alone someone who has been in the league for several years.
@cj miles: your pretty funny. Ak may start again if he comes back but Bell will
not. I'm just hoping Ty get's the future starting lineup figured out before the
end of the year so we don't have to come into next year experimenting. I'm not sure why you keep calling Ty Jerry Jr. He does not coach the same at
all. He is shifting lineups all over the place to try to figure out what works
best. He has made more changes and adjustment since he took over than Jerry ever
made. I was clamoring for Bell to be coming off the bench all year and Ty made
that decision fairly quickly. Coaching in this league is not easy and often
times it takes minor adjustments. You can't take over and just go making huge
changes or you could loose your team. Coaches have to gain confidence in their
players as well and I think Ty is gaining more confidence in Hayward every game.
Watch out CJ, you might loose your starting job if your not careful. Gotta love
the competition. FYI.. I love CJ just want more consistency.
Ive seen CJ enough to know he's a bench guy and not a starter. The problem is
will he except that roll and thrive in it? The same goes with Millsap. Our lineup next year should be:Harris HawardAK if he
staysFavorsJeffersonBench:WatsonCJEvans/RookieMillsapTomic? FEZOf course there will be
some new blood, Bell and Okur and Price should be gone with Weaver in Price's
spot. Both teams have some scoring balance and some D
Don't forget just a week ago against the Lakers, CJ was making Kobe look silly
with all his moves to the basket. Funny how everyone forgets so quickly.When Hayward is consistent over 3 - 4 months I will change my screen
name to "Howee" and take up my loyalties with him. Until then, I am
staying with CJ as my man to save the Jazz.Funny thing is CJ has
better rebounding totals than Matthews, who everybody just misses so bad. And
their scoring averages are within a few points and Matthews plays in a
guard-friendly system. CJ will get his money in the next contract.
Why do the negatives stand out more than the positives?Dont forget
were a rebuilding team now, and have been sense Jan. You dont rebuild with out
problems. I have had fath in Hayward and Favors sense the day they came to the
Jazz. Evans needs 30 lbs of beef then we will have 4 good players for the front
line. Would be nice to have a 7 footer that draws respect..I see Hayward
as a player that will be able to play the 1 2 and a small 3 spot if need
be.Bottom line is Hayward and Favors have shown they deserve a
chance at starting next year. At worse they have earned 30 min a game. I say