BoringGuyYour incessant sniping on every BYU article makes you look
insecure about your own team's future. "Me thinks he doth protest too
I'm sorry, did you say the Deseret Duel? Nobody's ever liked the Deseret Duel
and most of us are just happy it's going the way of the WAC. The only important
score is the Utes have taken care of business against the team in Provo 2/3
times on the football field.As far as this co-called
"marriage" is concerned between Coach Rose and the team in Provo, a
marriage is a two-way street. You can't move your "spouse" from a
mansion on the hill to a trailer park (aka WCC) and expect said spouse to be
happy. We'll see how this WCC thing turned out in the long run for the college
in Provo's hoops squad.
Congratulations to Coach Rose for a well-deserved raise. I can't think of anyone
else that I would rather see driving the juggernaut that is BYU Basketball.@Boring Guy -- did you really say that Utah will "continue" to
eclipse BYU? Have you seen the results of the Deseret First Duel for the last
couple of years?Thinking you should change your handle to Clueless
For those who understand BYU and its mission, coaching is more than the W-L
column. While that makes one important component of accomplishment it is not the
ultimate yardstick. "Winning" involves far more than a conference,
bowl or tournament championship. That's why Cougar fans can only smile and shake
their heads at some of the derogatory comments made on this and other articles.
Thanks Coach Rose for supporting the greater picture. Oh yes, thanks too for
Mormon Ute | 8:38 a.m. April 7, 2011 Kaysville, UT I just have to
say something about all this small gym talk from some of the Ute fans. Get over
it! ===I agree...I remember watching Utah at SDSU
about fifteen years ago, free tickets from the U.SDSU played in a
gym at the time.Now they have an arena.With the addition
of BYU, the WCC becomes a two, or maybe three bid basketball conference.With the departure of Utah and BYU, the MWC became a two bid conference,
with the exception of a conference champion taking a spot in the NCAA's.Will the exposure BYUTV brings generate enough interest for these teams
to build bigger basketball facilities?Who knows.However,
both Utah and BYU have improved over last years MWC deal, and we will have
better teams to watch from both schools coming up.What a great time
to be a fan of Utah college sports!!!
Once again a sought-after BYU coach turns down more (likely much more) money to
go coach at a supposedly better situation. Again the Y supposedly dodges the
bullet (as imagined by the haters) that these guys chafe under the honor code
and all the other imagined roadblocks to putting together top-tier programs.
Once again the Y keeps its unlikely record that no head coach has ever left the
university for a "better" job. And once again the outside world just
can't get how it happens. And once again I, and Faithful all over
the globe, smile and nod. Thanks Coach Rose. I look forward to sending you
retirement best wishes, addressed to Provo, Utah, hopefully many years from now.
When the anouncement came that Boise State was joining the MWC I was pretty
excited about the opportunity of becoming a BCS conference. When the invited
to the PAC-10 came, I had mixed feelings. I had built up this feeling of us
against them for so long that I had a hard time accepting that we were going to
be joining them. I have come to terms with that and now am focused on the
positive things the U will get from the move, but it still bothers me that the
college presidents in the NCAA have allowed this exclusive group to control the
football postseason. I still hope for a national championship and I hope the
troubles the Fiesta Bowl is having will be the beginning of the end for the hold
the bowls have on the postseason.
I wonder if we'll keep Rice?
@ Mormon UteI agree with you and USAlover and your last comment on
the BCS was very astute and probably accurate. The BCS folks will do almost
anything to protect their "Magic Kingdom".
Guess which school is going to continue to win the recruiting war in the state
of Utah?Glad to have coach Rose on board.Great time to
be a Cougar.
USAlover,So true. Maybe the invites to the PAC-10 and Big East were
orchestrated to prevent that. The BCS conferences knew that with Boise State
coming into the MWC we would have a rock solid case for inclusion. I can imagine a series of private meetings of BCS conference commissioners
where they orchestrated the whole thing. Inlcuding the pretend dismantling of
the Big-12. Getting Colorado was the PAC-10's consolation prize for agreeing to
take Utah out of the MWC. The Big East probably was eager to take on TCU,
because they had been consistently ranked below the MWC and the WAC for several
years and their conference champ hadn't even been ranked in the top 25.They may not have envisioned BYU going independent, but knew that if they took
two of the top teams out it would suffeciently weaken the conference. BYU going
independent was just icing on the cake for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see
the MWC and the WAC merge in the next few years in order for the athletic
programs they sponsor to survive.
Just wishing we hadn't signed the mtn contract.Can you imagine Utah,
BYU, TCU, Boise State and others still in the MWC?My guess is the
MWC would have been included in the BCS in a matter a couple years. We'll never know....
After watching BYU battle Wyoming, Colorado State, and New Mexico in the WAC and
MWC for decades, it's going to be an adjustment creating new conference
rivalries with Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, Pepperdine and the rest of the WCC.For BYU fans who follow men's volleyball, it will be less of an
adjustment because BYU has been playing California teams like San Diego and
Pepperdine for years in the MPSF.I'm looking forward to playing in
the WCC. I suspect that playing Gonzaga in Spokane is going to be every bit as
tough as playing Utah State in Logan, New Mexico in the Pit, UNLV in the
T&M, or SDSU in Viejas Arena.
Dear Boring Guy: Where do you get all that from? It is VERY clear that Rose
wanted to stay at BYU. That's why he turned down several other offers. He's
clearly VERY happy at BYU. And.....Utah hasn't eclipsed BYU in any sense, be it
athletically or academically. BYU clearly outshines Utah in both arenas. I
attended both universities and I know whereof I speak.I think Dave
Rose should be coach of the year for the act of suspending Davies alone. Any
coach who has that kind of character, under those circumstances, should be coach
of the year. Not only is he a great basketball coach, he is also a great man.
The message should be sent...that kind of character should be celebrated.
That's what college sports should be about instead of just winning at all costs.
That's why BYU shines in today's world.
I just have to say something about all this small gym talk from some of the Ute
fans. Get over it! Have you seen some of the gyms in the ACC, Atlantic-10, Big
East and SEC? Big gyms don't make the program nor do they indicate the success
or failure of the program. Any school without a big football program is likely
to have a small arena to play in, because they don't have the football dollars
to subsidize basketball. So can we move on past this small gym smack talk. It
is really getting old.
You can tell a great deal about a person by how they respond under adversity.When the team lost Brandon it knocked them for a loop. A shell shocked BYU
team lost badly to UNM, and then blew out Wyoming.In the MWC
tournament they struggled and improved but lost to a very talented revenge
minded SDSU team. BYU improved with each game without Davies.They
blew out Gonzaga and battled Florida into overtime while playing one of their
worst games of the season. Rose just finds a way. If is the biggest word in the
English language. What if Davies had been in that game? Would he have made the
one point difference that was needed to win in regulation without going into
overtime? You bet he would!Florida lost in overtime to Butler. If a
Davies equipped Cougar squad had been in that game and only played an average
game BYU could have taken it all.That is the team that Rose
built.Rose is worth every cent he is paid several times over.Hi Hedgy, good to see you again. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
As a BYU fan, would I rather be playing in front of 5,000 fans on the MTN on a
bitterly cold February night in Laramie, or in front of 4,500 fans (average WCC
arena size) on ESPN in Malibu, San Diego, Los Angeles, or San Francisco?hmmmmGoodbye MWC; HELLOOOOO WCC!!!Utah fans
talking attendance smack is laughable.The Utes have been playing in
front of WCC-sized crowds for the last two years...AT HOME!!!
sammyg,I thought everyone knew Lavell's contract was year to year.
In today's college sports world there's no way BYU can get away with that.
Especially with the lower salaries. Job security at least helps bridge the
gap.This is the same way the Church deals with all it's employees.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but they consider the pay gap to be service to the
Church and the Lord and they tell the employees that right up front.
Good for Dave Rose, if my sons grow up to be the man that Dave Rose is I would
not ask for more. My only request is that somewhere in the contract with the
mega bucks is a provision that Dave must win a tournament, of any kind, sometime
during the five years.
Dick, you forgot to include a more important fact about Jimmer. Didn't Coach
Rose RECRUIT Jimmer too? Coaching / teaching is vital but so is recruiting.
Here's to hoping that BYU continues to recruit talent.
For our ute frineds who refer to WCC gyms as "high school" gyms,
you'll get a good look at glorified high school gyms at Cal, Stanford, Oregon
State and Washington.
@Honor Code: Could you please enlighten us as to how "BYU Football kicked
Rose in the teeth and then into the curb"? and why you you
"buy the BYU channel package" just for "staying up til 1:00 am
watching mediocre basketball and devotionals!" Your comments seem rather
BYU and Dave Rose are for REAL!They are a significant basketball
Bugoff,You may want to check your math. You appear to have
multiplied season ticket prices by 17 games. People only pay for season tickets
once per year. The cheapest seats at the Marriott Center do not cost $75 per
game.The future looks bright with coach Rose! He has proven himself
to be a consistent winner. I'm glad that I won't have to "wait and see how
it pans out" with a new coach.
@ BoringGuy. "But let's be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted
to come to Utah to compete in the PAC-12."I guess this is as
clear to you as all the predictions from hedgehog, chrisb and several other
"predictors" on all the BYU non-wins this past year. You ALL need to
clean your crytal balls off, get rid of your tarot cards, start having better
dreams or something! You all have been so far off with things that it is really
shameful!Please, please, please.....let's keep it real.
So is Rose the highest paid Coach now in the WCC? I find it amusing
that after BYU Football kicked Rose in the teeth and then into the curb that all
of a sudden he's being "loved" again. I just bought the
BYU channel package, I'm looking forward to High School Basketball and those
packed High School gyms. My family will be annoyed at me for staying up til 1:00
am watching mediocre basketball and devotionals!
Utah=Irrelevant.Sincerely, Marc living in another state.
BoringGuy | 10:37 p.m. April 6, 2011 Holladay, UT @CougFaninI'll keep that in mind when the Utes are playing in the Staples Center
each year in post-season PAC-12 tourney play. ===Utes going to
fill the Staples center like they fill the Huntsman?How deep did
they make it into the Thomas and Mack this April?(Hey, are they
playing in Hawaii again this December against USD?)Bring SW Baptist
to the Staples. I would like to see if Utah could beat them on a neutral
court.===Boring Guy... Really, is Ute Basketball Smack a
game you want to play on a BYU story right now?===SammyG---Notice, nothing gets the Hedgester down? Like the bunny
on TV... He keeps going and going and going...Who'd have known the
the Hedge runs on batteries?
Gotta love the arena size smack.When U got no other smack.
"Yeah...well...USD only holds 4,000 people...take that!"You people crack me up. By the way, utes are 2 and 7 in their last 9 against
WCC. oops.Not good, utes. Not good.
@CougFanin"University of Portland is working on scheduling
their game with BYU in the Rose Garden (where the Blazers play) which is only
about 5 minutes from campus."I'll keep that in mind when the
Utes are playing in the Staples Center each year in post-season PAC-12 tourney
@bballjunkieSeems to me you're just a little concerned about your
rival's future. That is, we know that the Utes -- through hard work and years
of success -- have become the premium college athletics program in the state and
the West.Over the next decade, we're going to see Utah continue to
eclipse the school in Provo in most likely every sport -- football, basketball,
women's hoops, etc... Things are going to be pretty one-sided from here on out.
Though the Provo school has the "exclusive" contract, the Utes will
be on ESPN a lot more.For example, when it comes to football, the
Utes have taken care of BYU the last 2/3 years. Given the talent level on
display during spring ball on the Hill, it'll soon be 3/4. Though
my dreams and your nightmares are filled with images of "The Block" in
the last holy war, I can't wait for September. Two in a row!
BoringGuy - "But let's be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted
to come to Utah to compete in the PAC-12. Now he'll settle for the WCC and its
high school gyms."Your statement makes no sense. Where do you
get your clarity? If Coach Rose wanted to be in Utah, he would be there. He
didn't want to be at Utah, Oklahoma or NC State. He wanted to be at BYU, on
ESPN.There is no settling for the WCC. With BYU, the WCC will be as
strong as the MWC has been, maybe stronger. Nobody in the MWC or PAC has had
the level of success as the Zags the past decade.Ute fans haven't
thought about the value of playing in smaller gyms. There are fewer home fans
to cheer against BYU. Don't worry, most of them will move their game to another
venue. University of Portland is working on scheduling their game with BYU in
the Rose Garden (where the Blazers play) which is only about 5 minutes from
Boringgal..Really that is the best you got? Might be true though
they went through a half dozen "No"s" again before the greatest
job in the NCAA was filled again.LOL
Great keep for Y, and I'm glad to see they are changing some methods in
athletics.Also glad utah couldn't 'buy' this coach.Also
glad to know that our coaches salary pays for wins. Great success is coming.
Great news. Coach Rose is perfect for BYU basketball all things considered. I
don't know where we'd find a replacement. What other investments/changes in BYU
basketball... we'll have to wait and see. It is always wise to never loose a
good performer over money. How much of Jimmer is Rose and how much of Rose is
Jimmer we'll soon know. We do know that without Brandon Davis, they were 5 and
3. I personally believe that a lot of Jimmer's all around success is due to the
guidance he received from Coach Rose.
"BYU, Dave Rose is a marriage made in basketball heaven"Well, I guess you could say Rose staying at BYU is like a marriage. But let's
be honest, it's clear now that Coach really wanted to come to Utah to compete in
the PAC-12. Now he'll settle for the WCC and its high school gyms. It's a
shame because, as a great man and a great coach, he deserves better.
About 1/5th of the Marriott seating is AllSport student seating at $65-90 per
student pass. The rest of the seats (18,000) cost between $75 and $337 with
30-35% at $269 or above. A sold out Marriot Center is worth
approximately $3 million x 17 home games or 51 million a year. Basketball is not
chump change at BYU. BYU can afford to give Rose a decent raise for
filling the Marriott Center. It is basically a no brainer.
Hedgie... just give it up... its almost sad now
I don't know why some people are confused about Samuelson's remark about Rose
being underpaid. Samuelson was saying that Rose is priceless, you can't put a
dollar figure on what a guy like Rose does for your program. Thanks Coach!!
Maybe Rose needs to thank Jimmer just a bit too!
"I have a feeling that Kruger will regret leaving UNLV."You might be right but I know of 3 Krugers very happy where they were/are.
Glad we got Rose for a good 5 years. Can't believe Lavell was on a year to
year. I hope Rice decides to stay as well, however I will respect him too if he
does become a Rebel. Hard to turn down that type of opportunity.
Rose will not regret staying at BYU.I have a feeling that Kruger
will regret leaving UNLV.
Thanks Dick for getting the inside scoop!An unprecendented deal
indeed. A first time 5yr contract and who would have thought that Lavell Edwards
had a year to year? Great story!... and somewhere in Ann Arbor in
the deep confines of his secret lair hedgie grabs a kleenex.