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Published: Wednesday, April 6 2011 1:59 p.m. MDT

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sammyg
Springville, UT

Bring it on.

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

The Book of Mormon tells of an account of the Kingmen that strangely has some parallels to current events. The Kingmen were a group of wealthy people of high birth. They did not like a democratic process and were extremely upset with the President that was elected by the voice of the people and actively sought his overthrow. Their country was engaged in several wars. The Kingmen refused to support the government and would rather shut it down than lose their objectives. And their objectives were to get more power and wealth.

plyxply
SLC, UT

What a shame that people in this country were so short sighted as to elect the administration and Democrats to Washington who are ultimately responsible for this shutdown. Now that they are being held accountable for their gross overspending on unneccesary programs they are trying to blame it on the Republicans.
For anyone out there who voted these irresponsible socialists into power, shame on you!

gizmo33
St. George, Utah

so whats the differance ? rather there is a shutdown or not you wont be able to tell the differance anyway. gee I wonder if the states will extend the unemployment benefits now ?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@plxply: Same to you for voting for Bush, twice! And then probably for McCain/Palin, which is even worse. Shame on you!

Hope you all have your tax refund checks, because you may not get them when the IRS shuts down. Personally, I can't wait, so we can see who cries the most about the shutdown!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Democrats are responsible for this shutdown?

Try again.

Previous shutdowns:
*'Memories of 1995 haunt GOP as shutdown talk grows' - By Charles Babington - AP - Published by DSNews - 02/20/11

139 Filibusters:
'When Republicans were a Senate minority in 1991-1992, there were 59 cloture (filibuster) filings. When President Clinton took office, with Republicans remaining the minority in the Senate, that number shot up to 80 in 1993-1994.
When Democrats reclaimed the Senate majority in the 2006 midterm elections, cloture filings shot up from 68 in 2005-2006 to a record 139 in 2007-2008.'
'The Rise Of Cloture: How GOP Filibuster Threats Have Changed The Senate' - Ben Frumin and Jason Reif - Talking Points Memo - 01/27/10

Denial of aid:
*'Senate Republicans again kill bill for jobless aid' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/30/10

Shame on Democrats?

They are the one trying to get you your Medicare & tax return check!

If your looking for shame, shame for denying help to the elderly, shame for denying aid to the unemployed, for trying to grind the goverment to a halt...

shame on you, for voting Republican.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@plyxply

You're right. It is 100% the Democrats fault for the situation we find ourselves in today. After all, the Democrats were in power when we as a nation decided to topple a sovereign nation and invade another. I'm sure those "unnessary programs" have nothing to do with the meltdown. It was also the Democrats who thought the best way to solve the budget issues was to decrease revenue. Oh, wait...

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

plyxply
It is a shame that people don't understand the issues like me and thee, But sometimes, I have some doubts about thee.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I, as a fence sitter type (aka moderate), am looking forward to the shutdown. It will make people finally really have to stand behind the rhetoric they spew, from both sides. Then and only then are we going to see who are really statemen/women willing to put the country above party line, and work to a consensus agreement - yes - a compromise.

Enough of the blustering and chest pointing - lets get to real resutls for once.

Independent
Henderson, NV

It's too bad the government doesn't really "shut down" when there is a government shut down. This is nothing to worry about, or get excited about. We'll wind up spending the same amount of money in the end. All it is is an opportunity for the two parties to blame each other for something. Ridiculous.

FDR fan, is your using the Book of Mormon to argue your political point of view any better than a conservative doing the same thing?

Older Reader
Tooele, UT

Shut it down! We can see how many thousands of "non essential" feds we can do without. Shut down Congress, too! All they do is waste time and money.

facts_r_stubborn
Kaysville, UT

A government shut down is not necessary to make real progress on the very real problems facing our nation. Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum from no government services to socialist state, no one can deny that the current projected budget deficits can't be sustained if they continue to grow as projected. However, a shut down only adds to the deficit. It shows that in the end politicians care more about being re-elected by holding to fixed idealogical positions then they care about actually solving problems through negotiation and compromise. In the end, they must take their best agreement and go with it, but do not shut down government services.

The services that would be shut down are generally not the programs at fault for the deficit. While some discretionary spending and programs can and should be cut, accross the board cuts and shut downs are counter-productive.

Representative Ryan's blueprint is the first salvo aimed at real reforms capable of reigning in the deficit. Closing the passport office, etc. etc. will only be a costly annoyance to citizens, but will do absolutely nothing to address the real problems our nation faces.

Did I Say That?
Rawlins, WY

Could we make the shutdown permanent? Best thing that could happen.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I work at Huntsman Cancer Institute. Even though we get money from donations and from the Huntsman family, most of our research funding is from federal funding through the National Institutes of Health.

We've been told to prepare to curtail work for between 3 & 21 days, proportional with the degree of federal funding for specific projects. (We can't pay research staff without funding.)

If you think these budget cuts and federal government shutdowns don't have a substantial impact, think again.

On the broader issue of federal support for things like cancer research, recent events are definitely having an effect on our ability to attract researchers from different areas of the world. In fact, we've already lost one (excellent) researcher to Singapore, where their government is aggressively supporting healthcare research. This researcher was an American, not a Chinese researcher returning home.

If the ultimate decision is to curtail federal research funding for healthcare, the practical effect will be to push these efforts overseas.

(Corporations typically don't get involved in research until they can see a near term profit potential. Government funded research does a lot of the early research effort.)

This has a real impact, folks.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

This is bad, bad, bad for everyone and both parties are to blame. I guess we need another election to throw more of the bumbs out. Apparently we didn't get all the bad ones out the last time and maybe we elected a few more idiots as well.

Yes, our government is imploding on itself and I see no end in sight. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Our representatives have played the "blame" game.

Game Over.

Going forward, if a politico on either side blames someone else...

They're gone.

Fired.

We need solutions.

As one commented above (@10:05)

"...politicians care more about being re-elected by holding onto fixed idealogical positions than they care about actually solving problems through negotiation and compromise...".

If we continue to elect dim witted peacocks to represent us, we will continue to reap the same rewards which presently "bless" us all.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

re: Pagan?

Do you do anything besides post distorted liberal headlines and twisted deceptive anecdotes?

All we get from you is point and blame, point and blame. There is never any real solutions for solving the current MASSIVE RECORD DEFICIT obama has created.

What is your solution for paying it off? Details please.

I mean seriously, lets take Democrats own words that Reid uses:

"The Nevada Democrat said that Boehner "has a choice to make, and not much time to make it: He can do either what the tea party wants, or what the country needs."

Nice threat. Clearly a great bipartisan leader. Not. His is a bitter partisan hack.

Here the leader of the Senate is openly bashing a significant group of concerned US citizens, who in context of this situation, stand for fiscal responsibility and yet he chooses to bash and marginalize and attempt to paint fiscal conservatism as radical and outside the norm.

If reducing our debt, saving our currency, and avoiding bankruptcy is NOT "what the country needs" according to Reids portrayal then I'm not sure what sane person would ever support Democrats like this.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@plyxply

This shutdown is 100% the fault of the republicans. Democrats have compromised so far on budget cuts that their current stand is arguing for the amount of budget cuts Boehner initially demanded. We compromised all the way to "what republicans want" and it's the republicans job to tell the tea party off and "compromise" by taking what they originally demanded.

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

A couple of questions:

1.Where was Democratic leadership in getting a budget passed by the October 1, 2010 deadline? At that time there was a Democratically controlled House, Senate and Presidency. Democrats had control of all three and could have gotten a budget worked out. They could have accomplished it by the Christmas recess - but no. Now Democrats want to blame others? Give me a break!

2.Why are you trying to blame the Republicans? At this time only the democrats can cause a shut down. The house has passed the budget bill. The Democratically controlled senate can accept the present bill or it can vote no and shut the government down. If the Senate were to pass the bill in time for the Friday deadline the President could still exercise veto power and the executive branch would be the branch shutting down the government.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Rocket Science:

Under your logic, the House could pass a bill cutting defense spending by 90%, but because the process starts in the House, it would be either the Senate's or President's fault if they did not go along with the cuts, with a government shut down their fault.

This sounds entirely unreasonable, doesn't it?

We need agreement between the House, Senate & President. They apparently had an agreement to cut $31B, but then the House pushed for more. Whose is at fault here?

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