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  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    April 8, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress remain divided over a budget...

    Democrats say Republicans are refusing to accept federal funding for Planned Parenthood. Republicans say the dividing issue is spending. (Period)

    Democrats said Friday they finally agreed to cut $38 billion in federal spending this year and resolved dozens of policy directives sought by Republicans. The only remaining point was Republicans insistence on canceling funding for Planned Parenthood, which offers abortions, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

    The Republican House leadership have only a few hours left to look in the mirror and snap out of it, Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said on the Senate floor.

    So, Reid is openly a supporter of Planned Parenthood and abortion. Would love to hear him justify and rationalize that at a "Why I Believe" fireside.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    April 7, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    @Pagan - it does you no good, and affords no credibility to your intelligence to be using headlines crafted by Liberal-controlled media outlets. We all know how headlines are written, aimed and irresponsibly created....

    @FDRfan, heh, with the likes of you around, interpreting things the way you want to, I don't know why the Brethren (via the DN?) are worried about the impression of non-neutrality, and are actively engaged in stumping for more plurality in the Church.

    Finally, the brouhaha over a gov't shutdown is another irresponsible grandstanding show by politicians and media. No federal employee has ever not been paid afterwards for their 'furloughs,' which have amounted to nothing more than free days off for the bureaucrats. Most of them in D.C., Maryland and Virginia are Democratic voting, so you have to know free days off with pay bother them not in the least.

  • Some1outthere Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    the sad thing is that the elected government officials will still get their paychecks on time.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
    April 6, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @Pagan:

    "Shame on Democrats?
    "They are the one trying to get you your Medicare & tax return check!"

    Medicare is subsidized health insurance for seniors and it isn't means tested. Retired millionaires won't be getting their Medicare. Unfortunately, the program is set up so that poor retirees are hostage to the wealthy retirees. Cuts to wealthy retirees means cuts to poor retirees.

    As Wayne Owens once told me, referring to means testing, "It might be a good idea, but then we would have a whole new congress."

    The Tea party were elected to cut deficit. The Democrats were elected to help the poor. Agree or disagree, at least the Tea Partiers are sticking to their principles.

    Tekakaromatagi

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    April 6, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    During the shutdown, find a way to pay our service men and women on time.

    What percentage of folks will notice the federal work stoppage? This could be scary if you are a federal worker. Keep it shutdown for a while. Lets see what we can do without. I'm ready for the test. How about you?

  • CSP5 Ogden, UT
    April 6, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    The problem with a shutdown is that the legislature or their staff doesn't shut down. They get to keep working and their wages are exempt from cuts. The only individuals who suffer are the employees who are working to support their families. I don't know about you, but losing three weeks' pay would be pretty devastating to my family. Those who cry "go ahead and shut it down!" don't realize that the only individuals who will be "shut down" are those trying to make a living. The legislature isn't worried. Obama isn't worried. They'll still get their paychecks. It's the little guys who again will be the ones left out in the dark. Yeah, yeah, you can all say "serves them right for working for the government" but most of them are just trying to provide services for a paltry paycheck.

  • libertarian Cedar City, UT
    April 6, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    considering that nothing good happens when the government is in session, at worst, a shutdown would be a good thing and at best it would be great. maybe now we can get these leeches off our backs. . .

  • LOL holladay, utah
    April 6, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    GOP Cuts Costs:

    Unemployment plummeted and stocks soared Tuesday after Republican leaders fulfilled their promise to cut funding for National Public Radio, a budgetary move that has completely rejuvenated the flagging U.S. economy. "Since eliminating federal spending for NPR, America's economic outlook is brighter than it's been in decades, with manufacturing on the rise and millions of jobs once sent overseas now returning to our shores," said Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), adding that by eliminating funds for NPR, the deficit has been slashed by 0.000004 percent and a newly thriving middle class once again has cause to believe in the American dream. "Pulling funding for Car Talk and Planet Money alone has created 4.2 million jobs and generated a $2 trillion budget surplus." Republicans announced Thursday they will now turn their attention to cutting the National Park Service, a move that should ensure Social Security's solvency for the next 350 years.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 6, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    "I wish all would use the Book of Mormon to shape their political views."

    Yes, to shape their own political views, not the political views of others. You and I don't have the authority to do that.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    April 6, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    GOP Cuts Costs:

    Unemployment plummeted and stocks soared Tuesday after Republican leaders fulfilled their promise to cut funding for National Public Radio, a budgetary move that has completely rejuvenated the flagging U.S. economy. "Since eliminating federal spending for NPR, America's economic outlook is brighter than it's been in decades, with manufacturing on the rise and millions of jobs once sent overseas now returning to our shores," said Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), adding that by eliminating funds for NPR, the deficit has been slashed by 0.000004 percent and a newly thriving middle class once again has cause to believe in the American dream. "Pulling funding for Car Talk and Planet Money alone has created 4.2 million jobs and generated a $2 trillion budget surplus." Republicans announced Thursday they will now turn their attention to cutting the National Park Service, a move that should ensure Social Security's solvency for the next 350 years.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    April 6, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    Paul D. Ryan statements about grandma being forced to eat dog food because of heartless Republicans and their insane crusade for solvency will be a staple of Democratic talking points, especially with the White House desperate to win back seniors alienated by ObamaCare. Oops..... It has already started. Go figure. It's true.

    NO ONE WILL GET THEIR TAX REFUNDS if the Government shuts down also. Parks in Utah will closed, it'll become a ghost town. No more Pork and Earmarks daily for Utal. Ya'll be going through withdrawls like a junkie. You'll have to take the illegals into your homes and feed them and care for them and home school them. The internet will shut down. You'll be bored out of your skull. You'll start shooting one another. Going Out Of Business signs will go up on buildings. The dollar will crash. Your "gray skys" will fall. Earthquakes will be every where. Flash floods will follow. No help. And worst, No Talk Radio will be allowed.

    So don't even thinking about a government shut down.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    April 6, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    10CC, I like some of your ideas like 10% cut across the board, that would be a good start.

    When I state that only the democrats can now shut the gov. down that is true it is in their hands. They are now working from a weakened position. If there indeed was an agreement of 31 billion, that does also shows weak leadership on Mr. Boehner's part. He should not have agreed to something he did not know if he could deliver. He may and may not get his fellow republicans to come around but right now it is the Senates hands. Still the time to have delivered the budget was October 1, 2011. At that time the Dem's had the upper hand. We should all be discussted with both parties.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 6, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Is there anyone out there, in retirement or not, willing to say, No more Social Security. Let's just stop it now, stop taking it out of our checks, we'll do with it what we will. I can guarantee you that there are not many who are receiving it, rich or not so rich, who are willing to not take it. Ask around and see if I'm right.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    'Those who feed at the public trough are loyal to those who keep the trough full.' - Teafortwo | 2:36 p.m.

    Like Medicare.

    How 'dare' your grandparents use your hard earned tax dollars.

    Good day.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    April 6, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Democrats have known for years that once people get used to feeding at the public trough, it is almost impossible to make them self-sufficient again. Which is just what they want. Those who feed at the public trough are loyal to those who keep the trough full. Democrats.....

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    April 6, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    To 10CC | 1:24 p.m. April 6, 2011

    Great ideas! It's too bad that the legislators can't be so clear-thinking.

  • A_Chinese_American Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    Folks, please remember 3 facts here:

    1) This is a budget not completed by Democrates controlled House /Senate /White House LAST YEAR (2010)!

    2) What so-called the compomise is only 2.38% (if cut 31 billion) or 4.69% (if cut 61 billion)of the U.S. federal budget deficit (which was $1.3 trillion in fiscal 2010), this is NOT compomise in any sense.

    3) Wakeup people, we have $14 Trillion national debet (yes, $14 Trillion = $14000 Billion = $14000000 Million!). We are heading to a total ecnomy diaster! CUT NOW, or CRASH LATER. What's your choice?

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    April 6, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    Independent,
    I wish all would use the Book of Mormon to shape their political views. It is the best handbook for governmental policies. Strange to me though that the only LDS politician that publicly claims to be influenced by this book is Harry Reid. And look at how most Mormons hate him.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 6, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Re: 10CC | 1:24 p.m. April 6, 2011

    The problem with restoring (increasing) taxes is that it only empowers our government to SPEND more. Does anyone honestly think government would use extra revenue to pay down our debt?

    The government has robbed the Social Security fund. Instead of investing our money they spent it, replacing the money with IOUs. They've turned the SS fund into a giant ponzi scheme.

  • Fed Employee Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Here's what doesn't make sense to me. I don't care what party you belong to. If you control the House, Senate, and Presidency you should be able to pass a budget without any problems. Let me make it clear once more, I don't care what party it is.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    April 6, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    If the government shuts down, the government is spending less, right?
    In honor of all of those who have taken furloughs the last couple of years, I'd support a government shutdown.

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    April 6, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    WOW, aren't we all a great bunch of Blamestormers. It is his fault, not so, it is her fault.

    It is all of their fault and it matters not whose fault it is to those who hold the debt. They will want to get paid. And paid they will or we fail as a country, not because our ideals were wanting, but because we didn't understand the basic principles how a checkbook needs to be balance or compound interest works......

    Increase income decrease outflow. Weight what is important and what is not.

    Difficult? yes. The Chinese say starting is 50% of the battle. Start cutting, let it set in, cut some more and everyone know that we all will hurt as we reshape the next 25 years. I am 45. In 25 years I will be 70. There is no second chance for me if we screw it up. In reality, if we screw this up right here, right now, none of us will get a second chance.

    Basic acconting and compound interest. Use it or be crushed by it. We surely will be crushed if we continue to borrow and spend.

    Raise taxes, cut spending.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 6, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Anti Government:

    Here is my recipe to rectify the deficit:

    1. Raise the retirement age by 2 years to address the Social Security issue.

    2. Restore Reagan-era tax rates on the highest earners. The rich have gotten much richer since then, they should be able to afford it.

    3. Cut all other areas by 10%, including defense.

    4. Begin exploring Medicare & Medicaid reforms.

    5. Reform the federal tax code to close the massive loopholes and lower the overall corporate tax rate.

    I understand why a lot of Americans are anti-govt and anti-tax. It's in our DNA. But as we cut out all the fat and into muscule, and into bone, we're acclerating our slide into third world status as items that other nations fund via taxes are left to wither up. (See my post about cancer research above.)

    Canada has 38% of their GDP consumed by taxes. (In the US that figure is 28%.) They've run 1% surpluses for a long time with modest deficits only recently.

    Canada has also passed the US on multiple Indices of Economic Freedom. Apparently they're doing something right.

    Maybe we're going too far.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 6, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Rocket Science:

    Under your logic, the House could pass a bill cutting defense spending by 90%, but because the process starts in the House, it would be either the Senate's or President's fault if they did not go along with the cuts, with a government shut down their fault.

    This sounds entirely unreasonable, doesn't it?

    We need agreement between the House, Senate & President. They apparently had an agreement to cut $31B, but then the House pushed for more. Whose is at fault here?

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    April 6, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    A couple of questions:

    1.Where was Democratic leadership in getting a budget passed by the October 1, 2010 deadline? At that time there was a Democratically controlled House, Senate and Presidency. Democrats had control of all three and could have gotten a budget worked out. They could have accomplished it by the Christmas recess - but no. Now Democrats want to blame others? Give me a break!

    2.Why are you trying to blame the Republicans? At this time only the democrats can cause a shut down. The house has passed the budget bill. The Democratically controlled senate can accept the present bill or it can vote no and shut the government down. If the Senate were to pass the bill in time for the Friday deadline the President could still exercise veto power and the executive branch would be the branch shutting down the government.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    @plyxply

    This shutdown is 100% the fault of the republicans. Democrats have compromised so far on budget cuts that their current stand is arguing for the amount of budget cuts Boehner initially demanded. We compromised all the way to "what republicans want" and it's the republicans job to tell the tea party off and "compromise" by taking what they originally demanded.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    April 6, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    re: Pagan?

    Do you do anything besides post distorted liberal headlines and twisted deceptive anecdotes?

    All we get from you is point and blame, point and blame. There is never any real solutions for solving the current MASSIVE RECORD DEFICIT obama has created.

    What is your solution for paying it off? Details please.

    I mean seriously, lets take Democrats own words that Reid uses:

    "The Nevada Democrat said that Boehner "has a choice to make, and not much time to make it: He can do either what the tea party wants, or what the country needs."

    Nice threat. Clearly a great bipartisan leader. Not. His is a bitter partisan hack.

    Here the leader of the Senate is openly bashing a significant group of concerned US citizens, who in context of this situation, stand for fiscal responsibility and yet he chooses to bash and marginalize and attempt to paint fiscal conservatism as radical and outside the norm.

    If reducing our debt, saving our currency, and avoiding bankruptcy is NOT "what the country needs" according to Reids portrayal then I'm not sure what sane person would ever support Democrats like this.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 6, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Our representatives have played the "blame" game.

    Game Over.

    Going forward, if a politico on either side blames someone else...

    They're gone.

    Fired.

    We need solutions.

    As one commented above (@10:05)

    "...politicians care more about being re-elected by holding onto fixed idealogical positions than they care about actually solving problems through negotiation and compromise...".

    If we continue to elect dim witted peacocks to represent us, we will continue to reap the same rewards which presently "bless" us all.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 6, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    This is bad, bad, bad for everyone and both parties are to blame. I guess we need another election to throw more of the bumbs out. Apparently we didn't get all the bad ones out the last time and maybe we elected a few more idiots as well.

    Yes, our government is imploding on itself and I see no end in sight. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 6, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    I work at Huntsman Cancer Institute. Even though we get money from donations and from the Huntsman family, most of our research funding is from federal funding through the National Institutes of Health.

    We've been told to prepare to curtail work for between 3 & 21 days, proportional with the degree of federal funding for specific projects. (We can't pay research staff without funding.)

    If you think these budget cuts and federal government shutdowns don't have a substantial impact, think again.

    On the broader issue of federal support for things like cancer research, recent events are definitely having an effect on our ability to attract researchers from different areas of the world. In fact, we've already lost one (excellent) researcher to Singapore, where their government is aggressively supporting healthcare research. This researcher was an American, not a Chinese researcher returning home.

    If the ultimate decision is to curtail federal research funding for healthcare, the practical effect will be to push these efforts overseas.

    (Corporations typically don't get involved in research until they can see a near term profit potential. Government funded research does a lot of the early research effort.)

    This has a real impact, folks.

  • Did I Say That? Rawlins, WY
    April 6, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Could we make the shutdown permanent? Best thing that could happen.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    A government shut down is not necessary to make real progress on the very real problems facing our nation. Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum from no government services to socialist state, no one can deny that the current projected budget deficits can't be sustained if they continue to grow as projected. However, a shut down only adds to the deficit. It shows that in the end politicians care more about being re-elected by holding to fixed idealogical positions then they care about actually solving problems through negotiation and compromise. In the end, they must take their best agreement and go with it, but do not shut down government services.

    The services that would be shut down are generally not the programs at fault for the deficit. While some discretionary spending and programs can and should be cut, accross the board cuts and shut downs are counter-productive.

    Representative Ryan's blueprint is the first salvo aimed at real reforms capable of reigning in the deficit. Closing the passport office, etc. etc. will only be a costly annoyance to citizens, but will do absolutely nothing to address the real problems our nation faces.

  • Older Reader Tooele, UT
    April 6, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Shut it down! We can see how many thousands of "non essential" feds we can do without. Shut down Congress, too! All they do is waste time and money.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 6, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    It's too bad the government doesn't really "shut down" when there is a government shut down. This is nothing to worry about, or get excited about. We'll wind up spending the same amount of money in the end. All it is is an opportunity for the two parties to blame each other for something. Ridiculous.

    FDR fan, is your using the Book of Mormon to argue your political point of view any better than a conservative doing the same thing?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 6, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    I, as a fence sitter type (aka moderate), am looking forward to the shutdown. It will make people finally really have to stand behind the rhetoric they spew, from both sides. Then and only then are we going to see who are really statemen/women willing to put the country above party line, and work to a consensus agreement - yes - a compromise.

    Enough of the blustering and chest pointing - lets get to real resutls for once.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    April 6, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    plyxply
    It is a shame that people don't understand the issues like me and thee, But sometimes, I have some doubts about thee.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    @plyxply

    You're right. It is 100% the Democrats fault for the situation we find ourselves in today. After all, the Democrats were in power when we as a nation decided to topple a sovereign nation and invade another. I'm sure those "unnessary programs" have nothing to do with the meltdown. It was also the Democrats who thought the best way to solve the budget issues was to decrease revenue. Oh, wait...

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Democrats are responsible for this shutdown?

    Try again.

    Previous shutdowns:
    *'Memories of 1995 haunt GOP as shutdown talk grows' - By Charles Babington - AP - Published by DSNews - 02/20/11

    139 Filibusters:
    'When Republicans were a Senate minority in 1991-1992, there were 59 cloture (filibuster) filings. When President Clinton took office, with Republicans remaining the minority in the Senate, that number shot up to 80 in 1993-1994.
    When Democrats reclaimed the Senate majority in the 2006 midterm elections, cloture filings shot up from 68 in 2005-2006 to a record 139 in 2007-2008.'
    'The Rise Of Cloture: How GOP Filibuster Threats Have Changed The Senate' - Ben Frumin and Jason Reif - Talking Points Memo - 01/27/10

    Denial of aid:
    *'Senate Republicans again kill bill for jobless aid' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/30/10

    Shame on Democrats?

    They are the one trying to get you your Medicare & tax return check!

    If your looking for shame, shame for denying help to the elderly, shame for denying aid to the unemployed, for trying to grind the goverment to a halt...

    shame on you, for voting Republican.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 6, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    @plxply: Same to you for voting for Bush, twice! And then probably for McCain/Palin, which is even worse. Shame on you!

    Hope you all have your tax refund checks, because you may not get them when the IRS shuts down. Personally, I can't wait, so we can see who cries the most about the shutdown!

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    April 6, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    so whats the differance ? rather there is a shutdown or not you wont be able to tell the differance anyway. gee I wonder if the states will extend the unemployment benefits now ?

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    April 6, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    What a shame that people in this country were so short sighted as to elect the administration and Democrats to Washington who are ultimately responsible for this shutdown. Now that they are being held accountable for their gross overspending on unneccesary programs they are trying to blame it on the Republicans.
    For anyone out there who voted these irresponsible socialists into power, shame on you!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    April 6, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon tells of an account of the Kingmen that strangely has some parallels to current events. The Kingmen were a group of wealthy people of high birth. They did not like a democratic process and were extremely upset with the President that was elected by the voice of the people and actively sought his overthrow. Their country was engaged in several wars. The Kingmen refused to support the government and would rather shut it down than lose their objectives. And their objectives were to get more power and wealth.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 6, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Bring it on.