Bring it on.
The Book of Mormon tells of an account of the Kingmen that strangely has some
parallels to current events. The Kingmen were a group of wealthy people of high
birth. They did not like a democratic process and were extremely upset with the
President that was elected by the voice of the people and actively sought his
overthrow. Their country was engaged in several wars. The Kingmen refused to
support the government and would rather shut it down than lose their objectives.
And their objectives were to get more power and wealth.
What a shame that people in this country were so short sighted as to elect the
administration and Democrats to Washington who are ultimately responsible for
this shutdown. Now that they are being held accountable for their gross
overspending on unneccesary programs they are trying to blame it on the
Republicans. For anyone out there who voted these irresponsible
socialists into power, shame on you!
so whats the differance ? rather there is a shutdown or not you wont be able to
tell the differance anyway. gee I wonder if the states will extend the
unemployment benefits now ?
@plxply: Same to you for voting for Bush, twice! And then probably for
McCain/Palin, which is even worse. Shame on you!Hope you all have
your tax refund checks, because you may not get them when the IRS shuts down.
Personally, I can't wait, so we can see who cries the most about the shutdown!
Democrats are responsible for this shutdown? Try again.
Previous shutdowns: *'Memories of 1995 haunt GOP as shutdown talk grows' -
By Charles Babington - AP - Published by DSNews - 02/20/11 139
Filibusters: 'When Republicans were a Senate minority in 1991-1992, there
were 59 cloture (filibuster) filings. When President Clinton took office, with
Republicans remaining the minority in the Senate, that number shot up to 80 in
1993-1994. When Democrats reclaimed the Senate majority in the 2006
midterm elections, cloture filings shot up from 68 in 2005-2006 to a record 139
in 2007-2008.' 'The Rise Of Cloture: How GOP Filibuster Threats Have
Changed The Senate' - Ben Frumin and Jason Reif - Talking Points Memo -
01/27/10 Denial of aid: *'Senate Republicans again kill bill
for jobless aid' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews -
06/30/10 Shame on Democrats? They are the one trying to
get you your Medicare & tax return check! If your looking for
shame, shame for denying help to the elderly, shame for denying aid to the
unemployed, for trying to grind the goverment to a halt... shame on
you, for voting Republican.
@plyxplyYou're right. It is 100% the Democrats fault for the
situation we find ourselves in today. After all, the Democrats were in power
when we as a nation decided to topple a sovereign nation and invade another.
I'm sure those "unnessary programs" have nothing to do with the
meltdown. It was also the Democrats who thought the best way to solve the
budget issues was to decrease revenue. Oh, wait...
plyxplyIt is a shame that people don't understand the issues like me and
thee, But sometimes, I have some doubts about thee.
I, as a fence sitter type (aka moderate), am looking forward to the shutdown.
It will make people finally really have to stand behind the rhetoric they spew,
from both sides. Then and only then are we going to see who are really
statemen/women willing to put the country above party line, and work to a
consensus agreement - yes - a compromise. Enough of the blustering
and chest pointing - lets get to real resutls for once.
It's too bad the government doesn't really "shut down" when there is a
government shut down. This is nothing to worry about, or get excited about.
We'll wind up spending the same amount of money in the end. All it is is an
opportunity for the two parties to blame each other for something.
Ridiculous.FDR fan, is your using the Book of Mormon to argue your
political point of view any better than a conservative doing the same thing?
Shut it down! We can see how many thousands of "non essential" feds
we can do without. Shut down Congress, too! All they do is waste time and
A government shut down is not necessary to make real progress on the very real
problems facing our nation. Regardless of where you are on the political
spectrum from no government services to socialist state, no one can deny that
the current projected budget deficits can't be sustained if they continue to
grow as projected. However, a shut down only adds to the deficit. It shows that
in the end politicians care more about being re-elected by holding to fixed
idealogical positions then they care about actually solving problems through
negotiation and compromise. In the end, they must take their best agreement and
go with it, but do not shut down government services.The services
that would be shut down are generally not the programs at fault for the deficit.
While some discretionary spending and programs can and should be cut, accross
the board cuts and shut downs are counter-productive.Representative
Ryan's blueprint is the first salvo aimed at real reforms capable of reigning in
the deficit. Closing the passport office, etc. etc. will only be a costly
annoyance to citizens, but will do absolutely nothing to address the real
problems our nation faces.
Could we make the shutdown permanent? Best thing that could happen.
I work at Huntsman Cancer Institute. Even though we get money from donations
and from the Huntsman family, most of our research funding is from federal
funding through the National Institutes of Health.We've been told to
prepare to curtail work for between 3 & 21 days, proportional with the
degree of federal funding for specific projects. (We can't pay research staff
without funding.)If you think these budget cuts and federal
government shutdowns don't have a substantial impact, think again.On
the broader issue of federal support for things like cancer research, recent
events are definitely having an effect on our ability to attract researchers
from different areas of the world. In fact, we've already lost one (excellent)
researcher to Singapore, where their government is aggressively supporting
healthcare research. This researcher was an American, not a Chinese researcher
returning home. If the ultimate decision is to curtail federal
research funding for healthcare, the practical effect will be to push these
efforts overseas. (Corporations typically don't get involved in
research until they can see a near term profit potential. Government funded
research does a lot of the early research effort.)This has a real
This is bad, bad, bad for everyone and both parties are to blame. I guess we
need another election to throw more of the bumbs out. Apparently we didn't get
all the bad ones out the last time and maybe we elected a few more idiots as
well. Yes, our government is imploding on itself and I see no end
in sight. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Our representatives have played the "blame" game.Game
Over.Going forward, if a politico on either side blames someone
else...They're gone.Fired.We need
solutions.As one commented above (@10:05)"...politicians care more about being re-elected by holding onto fixed
idealogical positions than they care about actually solving problems through
negotiation and compromise...".If we continue to elect dim
witted peacocks to represent us, we will continue to reap the same rewards which
presently "bless" us all.
re: Pagan?Do you do anything besides post distorted liberal
headlines and twisted deceptive anecdotes?All we get from you is
point and blame, point and blame. There is never any real solutions for solving
the current MASSIVE RECORD DEFICIT obama has created.What is your
solution for paying it off? Details please.I mean seriously, lets
take Democrats own words that Reid uses:"The Nevada Democrat
said that Boehner "has a choice to make, and not much time to make it: He
can do either what the tea party wants, or what the country needs."Nice threat. Clearly a great bipartisan leader. Not. His is a bitter
partisan hack.Here the leader of the Senate is openly bashing a
significant group of concerned US citizens, who in context of this situation,
stand for fiscal responsibility and yet he chooses to bash and marginalize and
attempt to paint fiscal conservatism as radical and outside the norm.If reducing our debt, saving our currency, and avoiding bankruptcy is NOT
"what the country needs" according to Reids portrayal then I'm not
sure what sane person would ever support Democrats like this.
@plyxplyThis shutdown is 100% the fault of the republicans.
Democrats have compromised so far on budget cuts that their current stand is
arguing for the amount of budget cuts Boehner initially demanded. We compromised
all the way to "what republicans want" and it's the republicans job to
tell the tea party off and "compromise" by taking what they originally
A couple of questions: 1.Where was Democratic leadership in getting
a budget passed by the October 1, 2010 deadline? At that time there was a
Democratically controlled House, Senate and Presidency. Democrats had control
of all three and could have gotten a budget worked out. They could have
accomplished it by the Christmas recess - but no. Now Democrats want to blame
others? Give me a break! 2.Why are you trying to blame the
Republicans? At this time only the democrats can cause a shut down. The house
has passed the budget bill. The Democratically controlled senate can accept the
present bill or it can vote no and shut the government down. If the Senate were
to pass the bill in time for the Friday deadline the President could still
exercise veto power and the executive branch would be the branch shutting down
Rocket Science:Under your logic, the House could pass a bill cutting
defense spending by 90%, but because the process starts in the House, it would
be either the Senate's or President's fault if they did not go along with the
cuts, with a government shut down their fault.This sounds entirely
unreasonable, doesn't it?We need agreement between the House, Senate
& President. They apparently had an agreement to cut $31B, but then the
House pushed for more. Whose is at fault here?
Anti Government:Here is my recipe to rectify the deficit:1. Raise the retirement age by 2 years to address the Social Security
issue.2. Restore Reagan-era tax rates on the highest earners. The
rich have gotten much richer since then, they should be able to afford it.3. Cut all other areas by 10%, including defense.4. Begin
exploring Medicare & Medicaid reforms.5. Reform the federal tax
code to close the massive loopholes and lower the overall corporate tax rate.I understand why a lot of Americans are anti-govt and anti-tax. It's in
our DNA. But as we cut out all the fat and into muscule, and into bone, we're
acclerating our slide into third world status as items that other nations fund
via taxes are left to wither up. (See my post about cancer research above.)Canada has 38% of their GDP consumed by taxes. (In the US that figure
is 28%.) They've run 1% surpluses for a long time with modest deficits only
recently. Canada has also passed the US on multiple Indices of
Economic Freedom. Apparently they're doing something right.Maybe
we're going too far.
WOW, aren't we all a great bunch of Blamestormers. It is his fault, not so, it
is her fault.It is all of their fault and it matters not whose fault
it is to those who hold the debt. They will want to get paid. And paid they
will or we fail as a country, not because our ideals were wanting, but because
we didn't understand the basic principles how a checkbook needs to be balance or
compound interest works......Increase income decrease outflow.
Weight what is important and what is not.Difficult? yes. The
Chinese say starting is 50% of the battle. Start cutting, let it set in, cut
some more and everyone know that we all will hurt as we reshape the next 25
years. I am 45. In 25 years I will be 70. There is no second chance for me if
we screw it up. In reality, if we screw this up right here, right now, none of
us will get a second chance.Basic acconting and compound interest.
Use it or be crushed by it. We surely will be crushed if we continue to borrow
and spend.Raise taxes, cut spending.
If the government shuts down, the government is spending less, right?In
honor of all of those who have taken furloughs the last couple of years, I'd
support a government shutdown.
Here's what doesn't make sense to me. I don't care what party you belong to. If
you control the House, Senate, and Presidency you should be able to pass a
budget without any problems. Let me make it clear once more, I don't care what
party it is.
Re: 10CC | 1:24 p.m. April 6, 2011 The problem with restoring
(increasing) taxes is that it only empowers our government to SPEND more. Does
anyone honestly think government would use extra revenue to pay down our
debt?The government has robbed the Social Security fund. Instead of
investing our money they spent it, replacing the money with IOUs. They've
turned the SS fund into a giant ponzi scheme.
Independent,I wish all would use the Book of Mormon to shape their
political views. It is the best handbook for governmental policies. Strange to
me though that the only LDS politician that publicly claims to be influenced by
this book is Harry Reid. And look at how most Mormons hate him.
Folks, please remember 3 facts here:1) This is a budget not
completed by Democrates controlled House /Senate /White House LAST YEAR
(2010)!2) What so-called the compomise is only 2.38% (if cut 31
billion) or 4.69% (if cut 61 billion)of the U.S. federal budget deficit (which
was $1.3 trillion in fiscal 2010), this is NOT compomise in any sense.3) Wakeup people, we have $14 Trillion national debet (yes, $14 Trillion =
$14000 Billion = $14000000 Million!). We are heading to a total ecnomy diaster!
CUT NOW, or CRASH LATER. What's your choice?
To 10CC | 1:24 p.m. April 6, 2011 Great ideas! It's too bad that
the legislators can't be so clear-thinking.
Democrats have known for years that once people get used to feeding at the
public trough, it is almost impossible to make them self-sufficient again. Which
is just what they want. Those who feed at the public trough are loyal to those
who keep the trough full. Democrats.....
'Those who feed at the public trough are loyal to those who keep the trough
full.' - Teafortwo | 2:36 p.m. Like Medicare. How
'dare' your grandparents use your hard earned tax dollars. Good day.
Is there anyone out there, in retirement or not, willing to say, No more Social
Security. Let's just stop it now, stop taking it out of our checks, we'll do
with it what we will. I can guarantee you that there are not many who are
receiving it, rich or not so rich, who are willing to not take it. Ask around
and see if I'm right.
10CC, I like some of your ideas like 10% cut across the board, that would be a
good start.When I state that only the democrats can now shut the
gov. down that is true it is in their hands. They are now working from a
weakened position. If there indeed was an agreement of 31 billion, that does
also shows weak leadership on Mr. Boehner's part. He should not have agreed to
something he did not know if he could deliver. He may and may not get his
fellow republicans to come around but right now it is the Senates hands. Still
the time to have delivered the budget was October 1, 2011. At that time the
Dem's had the upper hand. We should all be discussted with both parties.
Paul D. Ryan statements about grandma being forced to eat dog food because of
heartless Republicans and their insane crusade for solvency will be a staple of
Democratic talking points, especially with the White House desperate to win back
seniors alienated by ObamaCare. Oops..... It has already started. Go figure.
It's true.NO ONE WILL GET THEIR TAX REFUNDS if the Government shuts
down also. Parks in Utah will closed, it'll become a ghost town. No more Pork
and Earmarks daily for Utal. Ya'll be going through withdrawls like a junkie.
You'll have to take the illegals into your homes and feed them and care for them
and home school them. The internet will shut down. You'll be bored out of your
skull. You'll start shooting one another. Going Out Of Business signs will go
up on buildings. The dollar will crash. Your "gray skys" will fall.
Earthquakes will be every where. Flash floods will follow. No help. And
worst, No Talk Radio will be allowed.So don't even thinking about a
government shut down.
GOP Cuts Costs:Unemployment plummeted and stocks soared Tuesday
after Republican leaders fulfilled their promise to cut funding for National
Public Radio, a budgetary move that has completely rejuvenated the flagging U.S.
economy. "Since eliminating federal spending for NPR, America's economic
outlook is brighter than it's been in decades, with manufacturing on the rise
and millions of jobs once sent overseas now returning to our shores," said
Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), adding that by eliminating funds for NPR, the deficit has
been slashed by 0.000004 percent and a newly thriving middle class once again
has cause to believe in the American dream. "Pulling funding for Car Talk
and Planet Money alone has created 4.2 million jobs and generated a $2 trillion
budget surplus." Republicans announced Thursday they will now turn their
attention to cutting the National Park Service, a move that should ensure Social
Security's solvency for the next 350 years.
"I wish all would use the Book of Mormon to shape their political
views."Yes, to shape their own political views, not the
political views of others. You and I don't have the authority to do that.
considering that nothing good happens when the government is in session, at
worst, a shutdown would be a good thing and at best it would be great. maybe now
we can get these leeches off our backs. . .
The problem with a shutdown is that the legislature or their staff doesn't shut
down. They get to keep working and their wages are exempt from cuts. The only
individuals who suffer are the employees who are working to support their
families. I don't know about you, but losing three weeks' pay would be pretty
devastating to my family. Those who cry "go ahead and shut it down!"
don't realize that the only individuals who will be "shut down" are
those trying to make a living. The legislature isn't worried. Obama isn't
worried. They'll still get their paychecks. It's the little guys who again will
be the ones left out in the dark. Yeah, yeah, you can all say "serves them
right for working for the government" but most of them are just trying to
provide services for a paltry paycheck.
During the shutdown, find a way to pay our service men and women on time.What percentage of folks will notice the federal work stoppage? This
could be scary if you are a federal worker. Keep it shutdown for a while. Lets
see what we can do without. I'm ready for the test. How about you?
@Pagan:"Shame on Democrats?"They are the one trying
to get you your Medicare & tax return check!"Medicare is
subsidized health insurance for seniors and it isn't means tested. Retired
millionaires won't be getting their Medicare. Unfortunately, the program is set
up so that poor retirees are hostage to the wealthy retirees. Cuts to wealthy
retirees means cuts to poor retirees.As Wayne Owens once told me,
referring to means testing, "It might be a good idea, but then we would
have a whole new congress."The Tea party were elected to cut
deficit. The Democrats were elected to help the poor. Agree or disagree, at
least the Tea Partiers are sticking to their principles.Tekakaromatagi
the sad thing is that the elected government officials will still get their
paychecks on time.
@Pagan - it does you no good, and affords no credibility to your intelligence to
be using headlines crafted by Liberal-controlled media outlets. We all know how
headlines are written, aimed and irresponsibly created....@FDRfan,
heh, with the likes of you around, interpreting things the way you want to, I
don't know why the Brethren (via the DN?) are worried about the impression of
non-neutrality, and are actively engaged in stumping for more plurality in the
Church.Finally, the brouhaha over a gov't shutdown is another
irresponsible grandstanding show by politicians and media. No federal employee
has ever not been paid afterwards for their 'furloughs,' which have amounted to
nothing more than free days off for the bureaucrats. Most of them in D.C.,
Maryland and Virginia are Democratic voting, so you have to know free days off
with pay bother them not in the least.
Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress remain divided over a budget...Democrats say Republicans are refusing to accept federal funding for
Planned Parenthood. Republicans say the dividing issue is spending. (Period)Democrats said Friday they finally agreed to cut $38 billion in federal
spending this year and resolved dozens of policy directives sought by
Republicans. The only remaining point was Republicans insistence on canceling
funding for Planned Parenthood, which offers abortions, said Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid.The Republican House leadership have only a few
hours left to look in the mirror and snap out of it, Reid, a Nevada Democrat,
said on the Senate floor.So, Reid is openly a supporter of Planned
Parenthood and abortion. Would love to hear him justify and rationalize that at
a "Why I Believe" fireside.