I think gordan could be the answer at the 2 spot with evans at the 3 getting
easy baskets from a playmaking gordan..The other front court spots should battle
out between favors, fez, milsap (backup 3&4), jefferson (4 & backup 5),
ak (backup 3&4). I think fez should get mo minutes for rebounds,defense
& lane clogging ability.. There is a place for that in today's game..
RE: Ed Los Olivos, CAIt really is not a matter of bashing, it's a
matter of competence and the lack there of. Coach Sloan could not
find a way to win the truly big games. Other coaches could, can, and
do. Jerry Sloan has integrity and would be the very first to admit
that he, Jerry Sloan himself, could not find a way to win the big ones, despite
his more than twenty years of trying.To blame everything and
everyone else for the lack of even a single NBA Championship in all those years
defies logic and ignores facts as exemplified in the stats.Talk
about people who believe in an NBA conspiracy illogical, those who believe that
it was not primarily Jerry Sloan's fault that the Jazz competed in all those
playoffs without a championship are the epitome of conspiracy believers.
RE: CoachchrisI agree with you but don't even find the Sloan bashing
amusing any more. Can't the haters just find someone new for all of the
I can remember Sloan calling him basketball smart. I have seen him now he is. I
loved the dunk with the weak hand. MJ never dunked with the left hand. Stockton
also had a problem with NOT shooting the ball at times when he should have. Yet
in the end there is nothing wrong with looking for a teammate. New IDEA to the
NBA it makes your.... team play better as a whole... Bird knew that and it was a
big part of his factor.
I am not bashing Coach Sloan, Coachchris | 9:59 a.m. April 6, 2011; I'm stating
empirical, verifiable, statistical facts.Jerry Sloan had more
chances than the majority of NBA coaches to win an NBA Championship.He didn't do it.He arguably qualifies as the best teacher of
fundamentals that ever coached the game.But championship coaches
find a way to win; he'd be the first in line to say that he as the Jazz head
coach didn't or couldn't do that.People can argue until their blue
in the face that the quality of players he had over the years was not that of
the other DEMONSTRATEABLE, winning, NBA coaches.However, year after
year, time after time, coaches and teams win championships in every sport with
players who are not considered "the cream of the crop."Champions (coaches and players), find ways to win.Jerry Sloan had
twenty-plus years to find a way to win with, maybe not the best players, but
excellent players; players who on different teams under different head coaches
would have won a championship or two or three.I'm not bashing, I'm
pointing out facts.
I fine it amusing that even after Sloan retired there are still people that feel
the need to bash him. I mean come on, let it go. Nobody knows how Coach Corbin
and the Jazz will end up next year but hopefully it ends better then the second
half of this season.
Hardly any true Jazz fans are able to be rational.Why?Because for
more than twenty years, Larry and Greg have settled for mediocre.They've
chosen to ignore facts.They've insist that Jerry was more than he was.True, he had work ethic and, true, he was hard-nosed and, true, he was a
company man.He had many qualities of an excellent coach---assistant coach,
that is.His twenty-years-plus record clearly shows that blatant fact.He never , with any consistency, won the truly big ones.Again, why?Because he never built or trained young talent and ability.The few
exceptions, he messed it up.Best case in point, D. Williams.He
focused on the older and tireder and injury-prone.What happens now that
the Jazz are out of the playoffs?Corbin finally sets the older guys on the
bench.In LA he plays the young; the ones hoping for a real NBA career.Want blatant proof the "wise" and "old" and
"experienced" don't win consistently?Winners are
"eager" and "young" and "motivated."Ty
Corbin, you have a chance if you put your emphasis and focus where it counts.Go Jazz!---next year.
@CJ Milesdid you think everyone expected that much from CJ Miles
when he entered the league?...also...have you noticed the minutes Hayward got
during this season?...compare it to mr chuck-a-lot CJ Miles...it seems Hayward
himself...proved you wrong...you're always a very funny commentor...maybe you
should try stand up...
Gordon Hayward + Derrick Favors + Al Jefferson + Paul Millsap + Jimmer
Oh and wasn't it Kevin Durrant would said that Jimmer would have a great career
in the NBA? Just wondering...........
Jody, did you have to write this article today?Jazz Source: That's
quite the love affair you have going with CJ. You used his name 7 times in your
post. Glad to see that you are becoming a fan!!Ok all season long
most of you, no, all of you have complained the Jazz don't have someone like
Korver on the team this year who can knock down 3's. Well you had him all along
in Hayward. The dude is awesome from 3 point land. He shoots it with the best
of them. That's strange that he is so good, even as good as Korver, yet the
Jazz seem to be losing every game and have no threat for the outside. I am more
confused now than ever.........Is Hayward that good or that bad? If
the Jazz have Hayward, why in the world do all of you want them to Draft a 3
point shooter? Sounds like Hayward is all that and more!!Enlighten
at the end of every NBA season...and when the NCAA tournament is on...i usually
watch vids of college and international players heading for the draft...before
the draft this season...i took notice on several players...Hayward...Paul George
and Greg Monroe...and when i saw a few of Hayward's highlights and some
games...i was already sold...that he could be a good player one day...he has a
nifty step back three...his handles are simple yet very effective...spacing and
footwork are good...and he sees the floor very well...with his height...and
court vision...he could be a playmaker...then i signed up here...and everyone
was blasting him when the jazz picked him...eventhough...there could probably
better players than him when they improved...he still has a unique
skillset...@TRUTHi would actually believe him...he is isnt
known as a trash talker...and when he says something...its usually what he
really thought of...like Chris Bosh being a fake tough guy...
The Jazz blew it with Matthews every step of the way, and he deserves every dime
he's getting from Portland.
Hayward still has a long way to go, but the signs are positive. That said, my
guess, as stated before, is he is an extreme case of a guy who plays much better
(or maybe makes his teammates better) the better his teammates are, although
he's been putting up good numbers as the Jazz crater, so who knows. The coaches prolly still don't know quite what to do with him, there's def
something there, but it's an odd & very raw skill set; homeless man's
Ginobili might by an accurate ceiling for him. He can't ever be more than a 3rd
option for a contender, IMO, which is OK for the 9th pick in a deep but erratic
draft.Shame his FT shooting hasn't improved as much as his 3's.Aside from his improved 3%, and obv if slight muscle gain, the thing I
noticed most was when DWrist barked at him he still found Sap for the score and
then barked right back walking to the bench.
re: crottyCan you please get a grip on this Matthews fetish?
Matthews would have been stupid to turn down big money and stay here. The Jazz
could not have afforded him and Matthews could have signed here for slightly
less but he chose not to and who could blame him.He was poor and he
had to go for the most money he could get to secure his financial future. His
mistake in negotiating was that he believed the Jazz could afford it and he
could have his cake and eat it too. The Jazz could not. You are delusional
and flat out wrong if you believe Matthews would have taken less. No
agent worth a dime would have let him sign anything until all options were
exhausted during free agency and they waited. It is the way most all contract
situations work.I'm not sure why you and plenty of other Jazz fans
get emotionally tied to a way of thinking when the business of the NBA is almost
always how it ends up working out.Just face the facts and lets stop
talking about what never will be.
Compare Gordon's progress to CJ's.Gordon has put CJ's 3 point
shooting % literally to shame and yet half the dimwit population of the Jazz
fans think CJ is the better 3 point shooter.What is this, CJ's 5th
or 6th season? We are all still waiting...and the worst part about it is that
CJ has as much or more talent and athletic ability than Gordon.CJ
sees himself as this grand scorer and nothing anyone tells him can seem to
distract him from his fantasy that he backs up about once ever 10-15 games.CJ could have been a tremendous all around player but he believes his
entire identity as a player is tied to his ability to make 3 point shots.I'm thrilled for Gordon and hope he continues to work his way to
The Jazz are 3-24 when Hayward scores 5 or more points.
I certainly agree that the Jazz' outside shooting is miserable, but topping it
all is a lack of lock-down toughness that Sloan, Malone, Stockton, Harpring,
Matthews, and I think, Williams exemplified. The team is soft--poor defenders,
sad rebounders. If you want to play with the big boys, better come ready to
work. Maybe Millsap, Favors, and Hayward can bring it, but they will need help.
I like GH he is the future of our team, he has put the team on his shoulders a
couple of times. He needs to keep working. What I found interesting is what he
said regarding the gym, he said that him and Evans are always on the Gym. No
wonder why C.J. and Fess get tired at the end of every games. Keep up with your
work ethic and you will be the face of this franchise and will be your team!Go Jazz
I'm loving Hayward. I predicted (to myself) that Hayward was going to be a
special player. When I heard he was a PG in high school that grew to 6-8, I
immediately thought of Magic Johnson. How many 6-8 guys can handle the rock like
a PG? Not many! Jazz announcers often talk about AK-47 being able to play the
Point Forward but Hayward is far superior to AK-47 in that regard. I
think the Jazz made the right pick last year and Hayward will prove it next
year. I would peg him for about 12-15 pts per game, 4 Reb, 3 Assists and 1 Blk
per game next year as a starter. I would love to see him at the 2 where I think
he can be even more productive. I see him as a perennial All Star in 2-4 years.
Also, I would love to see the Jazz draft Derrick Williams or Perry
Jones with their 1st pick as a SF and Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker or Jimmer
Fredette as a backup PG for their 2nd pick next year. Lets Go Jazz
This is evaluation time. The number one priority is to have Coach Corbin
"off on the right foot" or even the left.
The demise of the Jazz was not the loss of Mathews per se. It was not replacing
the outside shooting of both Mathews and Korver. The Jazz did well
in the first couple of months but the outside shooting was better in those
months. Bell slumped, DWill got dinged and CJ erratically struggled
and the other teams packed the paint, plugged the middle and stopped the inside
game of the Jazz. It was one of the crazy tendencies of Sloan. He
insisted on going inside but had NO set plays for opening up the inside. Phil Jackson said it best. Jerry was predictable. You knew exactly what
was going to happen. The rotations were set,he was going to come at you hard
with his inside game. That tells you why Utah only beats LA when
Utah shoots well from the outside. Sloan could not over power LA. He
refused to get the outside shooting (by design) to open up the inside. It was an automatic loss and Sloan was not about to change to win. Good Riddance.Corbin at least juggles the line up until he can get
some outside shooting. Corbin is going to be better.
I wonder why C.J. hasn't commented on this board today. Wasn't he saying just a
couple of days ago that Hayward was terrible, going to be bust, and played like
he was in 8th grade? Good thing he knows more about NBA talent than Kevin
Durrant! I think that he's just worried that Hayward's play is going to cut into
Miles' playing time because Hayward has actually shown improvement on his
defense since he's been the league, unlike Miles.
@ byronbca.. accually w. mathews wanted to stay in utah and said he felt loyal
but the jazz for giving him a shot.. foolishly they wanted to let another team
set the market and unfortunatly the jazz failed to relize or accurately
determine his value and that they accually did have a very very talented and
desirable player who would garner a much bigger offer then they thought ..
oops.. so had we offered him 2-3 million before portland missed out on other
free agents they were going after then mathews would have taken it...and i was
the only person on deseret news screaming that we needed to keep him .. also
while many on here have bashed hayword all season i have defended him and
reminded these ppl that he came out after his sophmore year and was still too
young to make a judgment.. but looks like he is already showing us he will be a
very nice player...
Hayward = Talent + Work ethic + High basketball IQ = improvement in shooting
percentage & all around game.Talent + questionable work ethic +
low basketball IQ = the same low shooting percentage & questionable
improvement= CJ Miles.I'm glad that Hayward and Evans and hopefully
Favors will be the example for the Jazz's future draft picks to follow when it
comes to actually working to improve. Seems like that more than anything has
been lost since Stockton and Malone left.
What he needs is a special haircut.
Re Tom Jr:I really liked Mathews too, but I hate to break this to you but
he's a mediocre 2 guard who will never make an all star team and who has already
hit his ceiling. Your starting lineup is a pipe dream too. The simple fact is
that the Jazz had to choose between Mathews and Jefferson, they couldn't afford
to get both of them, the Jazz are not the lakers or Knicks who can throw money
at every problem they have. As for Hayward I think he could develop
into exactly the type of heady, Hard nose player the Jazz need.
Can we really trust what Durrant? I mean if I am Durrant and I see my opponent
shooting 1-10.....I am hoping he plays every time we match up too!1-10?....He should be starting! LOL!
The demise of the Utah Jazz began with the retirement of Matt Harpring and
accelerated with the loss of Wesley Matthews which led, in my view, to the
dissatisfaction of Deron Williams and the resignation of Jerry Sloan. The worst
decision the Jazz ever made was to lose Matthews, a blue collar, defensive
minded, drive to the rim, play every minute type of guy, like Harpring. This is
not to say the Jazz can't regroup and become a decent team again, but a team
with Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Favors, Matthews and Williams, well, that's
the stuff dreams are made of. Corbin may turn out to be a good coach, but I
wonder if the Jazz ever considered hiring Matt Harpring, a young Jerry Sloan.
I love Gordon. His attitude & work ethic remind me of another guy named
John Stockton. Different position, same outlook. He's a nice kid and has great
potential. He'll be a great ball player, and one with his head on straight. I
think his attitude makes him a great fit here, and I see him staying a good long
time. Don't let this kid get away, Jazz. He could be the shooter we need and a
catalyst for the team's future.
He will be more special when he stops throwing the ball to the other team.
He will be fine!
It is good to see Coach Corbin recognize and utilize the young and talented
early their careers, such as Coach Sloan never did.Although the Jazz
has been through some extremely disappointing losses (beginning at the time of
the overdue retirement of Jerry Sloan), in the long run Sloan's departure will
be a real blessing to the team.Fans, however, are slow to see and
quick to criticize the new.They're extremely impatient and
unrealistically loyal to Sloan. That is especially true because the
team has, for many years, been to the playoffs, rivaling the record of almost
all other NBA teams.The salient statistic regarding all those
playoff appearances is the undeniable numbers that show Jerry's teams ALWAYS
fell short, content playing the roll of bridesmaid and also-ran.I
for one look to the future and heartily welcome Coach Corbin. I very
much anticipate a more rational approach to the utilization of young talent,
ceasing to park it on the bench.He will indeed build a verifiable
winning team in Utah.Using the old and tired to backup to the young
and talented will be a boon to the Utah Jazz of the future.
Great hearing positives from Watson and Durant on Hayward. Comparison to Manu
opened my eyes a little bit...only thing I was worried about concerning Hayward
was his lateral quickness after hearing that from certain scouts, but it looks
like he is doing just fine staying with the opponents he guards. Manu and the
other Spurs all try and succeed usually at tough, man-to-man defense. I knew all
along from seeing him in college that Hayward could body, had a strong core and
legs, and could block shots well for his size. Awesome on the increased
percentage on his 3 pt shooting over the year...kudos to Horny for his help,
too. I look to see Hayward starting next year, maybe at SG. See Evans in dual
SF/PF back-up role. Looking promising for next year, Jazz!
There is no question Hayward has NBA talent, but unfortunately, he has a junior
varsity physique. He really needed those other 2 years in college to develop
his body. If fact, I am sure Butler would have beaten UConn last
night if Hayward would have been in the Bulldog's lineup. Hayward was their
go-to-guy who could create for himself as well as for his teammates.
His work ethic is what will separate him from the others,even when he is missing
his shots he plays smart and will help the team in many ways,hopefully our
starting 2 / 3 for many years to come,there is a reason Sloan liked this kid so
His height is what makes him really special. There's not many 6'8'' people who
can play PG and PF at the same time. (Remember, he played PF in college, also
remember that he's taller than Paul Milsap)He increased his 3 point
percentage by 14% from college. That is a tremendous upgrade.I just hope
they don't trade away Hayward or Evans. They both seem to improve each other.
Well, he doesn't have to worry about the expected playoff appearance, unless he
has tickets. Jody Genessy needs to learn math, unless he wrote this article
before the Jazz were eliminated from the playoffs when they lost to the laa...
the lake.... The team that shall not be named. Unless Mr. Genessy meant the
Jazz lost the expected playoff appearance like they lost Coach Jerry. Remember: You are special. Just like everyone else.
KOC said to give him 2 years. He was a Soph when he left college. I will judge
him next year but he does tend to stay in front of his man on D. He does tend to
hit a good percentage of his shots. He does his part to run the offense the way
it is supposed to be run. He is a good rebounder. He can kind of play PG or
point forward if needed.His biggest weakness appears to be that he
does not take shots that he should. That is fixable. Funny how
playing time makes a big difference in the quality of play for many players. He is another player who seemed to play better when Sloan retired.
Sloan gave him chances to start. I am sure Sloan liked him. I suspect that some
aspects of Sloan's personality had a negative effect on some young players. Sometimes they need a kick but often they need encouragement.
I was beginning to think that Hayward might become a bust, but he has really
played well over the last month. ESPN currently has him as the 28th best rookie,
but I have a feeling he'll climb the ladder by year's end and be ready to be a
solid contributor next year.If you look at photos of Hayward in
uniform at Butler and compare them to now you can really tell that he's gained
some muscle, lets hope he continues to work hard. The Jazz may have
gotten the 9th overall pick right after all- we'll know for sure by 2013.
I love what Hayward has been showing he has in regard to his game. I love how he
can do so many things well, just like Watson commented on. I see Hayward
starting next year and becoming a leader on this team, something that is very
Horny+Hayward=44.8%Horny+Hayward+offseason=korvers record breaking
yearHayward has so much talent that with the right tutelage, hard
work, and support from his teammates he can be a special player for us. He's got
very high basketball IQ especially for a rookie, and to think its only going to
get better.Keep working on your game Hayward and you can become that
leader the Jazz are lacking right now.
Wow, I had no idea Gordon was doing this well or actually shooting that well
from the 3. Perhaps there is a bright spot for the future, I just hope it
doesn't get traded away or leave in free agency as well.Go Jazz!
If one of the brightest young stars thought you were good...you probably doing
something right...KD is humble and calls it like it is...so coming from him...it
must be something...though KD still has lots to learn...but he is one of the
NBA's elites at a very young age...