Hedgie-I don't want this to get personal, but all of your posts refer to
BYU. The article was not about BYU. I always thought you were the funny guy
who just like to get under the skin of rabid Y fans, but I am sensing that
perhaps you really do have a serious complex about BYU. Sorenson is
historically anti-BYU and yet your posts automatically refer to BYU.What does that say? The U is going to the PAC which is far superior to
independence and the WCC. Enjoy your team and quit obsessing with a comparison
to BYU. BYU and Utah can both succeed and everyone can be happy.
Hedgie,I know that you feel like you now everything sports and everything
BYU, but please stop, even your own fans question the hire, and what do you want
the Dnews or even your fans to look at if not the record?hedgie
your teams are about to become a whipping boy for the so called power of the Pac
12 be ready it's going to be some long dry years. I can't wait to hear the
whinning start.Here is a line to build on.. Yea but we are in the
pac 12. I would like to see BYU do better!LOL
Reading a u article (there are few of them) and all of the talk is about what
the Y is doing. Lets see some of these posts praise their utes and be supportive
and not draw a comparison with the Y. Evidentily you use the Y as a
I was just kidding with my post.
As usual wedgie the sum total of knowledge you lack is much greater than any you
have.Coach Rose was an assistant at BYU for around a decade before
he was promoted to the top job. So yes he once was the head coach of a JC and
for that matter a HS before that. In otherwords he moved up the ladder until he
got his chance but his 8 years as a BYU assistant is what earned him the
opportunity to be the head coach. Coach Mendenhall was also an
assitant at BYU for several years before taking over as head coach. Yes BYU did
offer the job to Whittingham 1st and he accepted it then recanted the next day
after chris hill kept raising the monetary offer. But no one else was offered
the job as you tried to claim, Bronco was the next one offered and he
accepted.Really a little truth on your part would make your posts
more effective but of course we all remember your promise to stay off of BYU
articles, that was a lie, so no one expects much out of you anyway.
@Cosmo's Cousin | 7:52 p.m. April 4, 2011 Do you really expect the U
program to turn around that quickly and BYU to tank so quickly? Come on, let's
be realistic here. Could you at least provide a level headed outlook to the
future seasons without ridiculous fan bias?I expect BYU to come
either win the WCC or come in second with an at large bid next year if the
incoming guys can pick it back up quickly since the loss of Jimmer will be big.
I just hope Davies can come back.I think the U can be decent next
year in the Pack 12 but it'll be difficult to compete with all the focus and
money being in Football. I think in a couple of years they could compete for
the conf championship if they can get some solid recruits again.I
just hope the U never wins a game against BYU again. Realistic? Probably not.
Wishful thinking? Of course, but then again I am a BYU fan.
I expect something like this....Utes2012 - PAC-12 runner up
& Sweet 16 visit2013 - PAC-12 Champ & Final 4 visit2014 -
PAC-12 Champ & National ChampionshipBYU2012 - WCC 4th
place & no post season2013 - WCC 3rd place & no post season2013 - WCC runner up & NIT berthThe future looks bright!!
Hoggy, this article is about your coach. Your comments just show your
unnatural fixation on BYU! I, for one, am sorry that the Y rejected your
I guess the point of all this back and forth is that nobody knows how this hire
is going to work out. I personally hope that K does well and gets the Utes on a
winning track. I watched the Utes clear back when Jack Gardner ran the program.
On the other hand, it is pretty futile to compare this hire with the
promotion of and assistant at BYU or the hiring of either Dave Rose or Bronco
Mendenhall. If JC coaches never became D1 coaches or coordinators never became
head coaches, the nation would run out of head coaches by attrition. Sure, it
takes a risk to hire a head coach without head coach experience, but the guy can
either coach or he can't. I don't think Chris Hill shot from the hip here, any
more than Tom Holmoe did with Bronco and Rose. Andy Reed had never
been a head coach, but when he interviewed with the Eagles he brought his
notebooks with him that showed his observations and ideas throughout the years.
The interview won him the job, and his performance since then has keep the job
JustGordonCollege Head Coaching RecordsLarry Krystkowiak
(Montana, Big Sky)2004-05 18-13, 9-5 (2nd) NCAA 1st round2005-06
24-7, 10-4 (2nd) NCAA 2nd roundRay Giacoletti (Utah, MWC)2004-05 29-6, 13-1 (1st) Sweet Sixteen2005-06 14-15, 6-10 (6th)2006-07 11-19, 6-10 (6th)Jim Boylen (Utah, MWC)2007-08
18-15, 7-9 (6th)2008-09 25-10, 12-4 (1st) NCAA 1st round2009-10
14-17, 7-9 (5th)2010-11 13-18, 6-10 (7th)Frankly, I don't see
much difference between Krystkowiak's two seasons as Montana's head ocach, and
Giacoletti's and Boylen's first two years at Utah, except for the Big Sky being
a much weaker conference.If that's what floats your boat heading
into the PAC 12, so be it.It'll be interesting to see if Krystkowiak
is still around for the fifth year of his contract.
"But of course when your programs are all top notch that means there are
already top notch coaches waiting to move up.Ducky,I
thought you got Rose from a Junior College (Dixie), is this part of bYu?Y would you go hard after a Utah coach (Kwhit) and then several others
before settling on someone already on the bYu staff?
Uh wedgie...Doman and DuPaix are not head coaches, they are assistants just like
Sitake and Roderick. I don't remember you asking any "questions" when
those two were hired and then subsequently promoted.Also why would
we "ask questions" about Bronco or Rose now? They are established
winners and proven commodities. But you see none of the BYU fans ever claimed
that BYU "would get whoever they wanted" or ever thought that the only
coach worth having was someone elses. To the contrary we are pretty happy with
the assistants that have been promoted from within. But of course when your
programs are all top notch that means there are already top notch coaches
waiting to move up.
The Sports Authority? Obviously someone for whom a few facts get twisted in
such a way as to make the Ute's Coach K a looser. Yet the facts, are Coach K
has merited coaching positions in college and the pros that obviously underscore
for those who are in the know that he as ability, knowledge, personality and
persona. To my knowledge The Sports Authority's opinion is focused
only on being negative. He presents us with no experience in any sport to make
him the authority he immodestly boasts to be
RE @scott 3:57 p.m. April4, 2011:Bob Knight at UNLV? I don't know
what to think of that but the angle of New Mexico's Steve Alford coaching
against his old colleage coach is intriguing.
Candicates who are interested in the vacant UNLV coaching position:Dave RiceReggie TheusBob KnightLarry JohnsonThe
announcement could come as early as tomorrow.Quite a contrast to the
recent hiring saga of another supposedly "superior" basketball
It's a done deal; like it or not, Krystkowiak is Utah's head coach for the next
5 years. If he's successful, all of this debate will be forgotten.
If he's not successful, this may be the prelude to Hill "retiring" at
the same time as Krystkowiak leaves the program.3rd time's the charm
or3 strikes and you're outThe clock is
ticking on Krystkowiak and Hill.
@ GoUTES I believe that Mike Krzyzewski has been referred to as
coach K for some time now. This is why I will now refer to coach Krystkowiak as
coach K.2. Let's hope he can have as much success as Mike. Incidentally, K2 is
2nd highest peak in the world, and probably the most difficult to climb. If
coach K.2 can bring glory back to U basketball he will have climbed a veritable
K2. In this case, I would remove the '.' from the name and call him simply K2.
Thus, calling him K2 is not a slam but a hope that he can succeed.
Hedgie--You lack experience with respect and spelling.
Try to keep up hedgehog:Neither Doman nor Dupaix nor Mendenhall nor
Whittingham had head coaching experience before they were hired for their
current positions,ergo,NONE of them could be evaluated
based on their head coaching records.Krystkowiak doesn't get a
"free pass" because he does have a record as a head coach.You seem to be one of the very few who's willing to give Krystkowiak a
"free pass". Not surprising.After all of your bluster
about Chris Hill being able to get anybody he wanted to, your "free
pass" to Krystkowiak is simply a feeble attempt to save face.Show me the post you made immediately after the Boylen firing where you named
Krystkowiak as your first choice to replace Boylen. The fact is, Utah settled
for Krystkowiak after Hill couldn't get anybody better to take the job.
Hedge,It puts a smile on my face knowing you are bent out of shape
24/7 over all things BYU. But hey, at least you have coach Rose
coming to clean up your program, right?
"Most of the comments questioning Krystkowiak's head coaching abilities
have been based on Larry's coaching record. Having an overall losing record as a
head coach doesn't exactly engender supreme confidence in Krystkowiak's ability
to return the Utah basketball program to respectability"Yet the
Dnews and posters seem to be able to give a "free pass' on Domain and
Dupaux.....And no questions asked about Rose?....even though leading
a former junior college (Dixie) should have at least warrented a question.Bronco? Concerns? nope all perfect.
JustGordonWhy are you condescendingly assuming that folks who make
comments know nothing about basketball and Utah basketball in particular?Just because they may not agree with your particular point of view,
doesn't make them self-righteous or smug. Most of the comments
questioning Krystkowiak's head coaching abilities have been based on Larry's
coaching record. Having an overall losing record as a head coach doesn't exactly
engender supreme confidence in Krystkowiak's ability to return the Utah
basketball program to respectability.
It is too bad the author of the article seems to see the cup half full to empty
when it comes to the University of Utah. I thought the article was one of the
most negative welcome articles I have read for a new coach. I guess my question
to Mike Sorensen is "Nice Guy but can he write?" The answer - not
Why is that folks who know nothing about basketball and Utah basketball in
particular make comments like they know something! They are condescendingly
self righteous and smug and end up embarrassing themselves.
Dear Hedgehog...After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so
good he started roaring.He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot
him.The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
The arguments about higher seeds being defeated in the NCAA Division 1 men's
tournament is irrelevant. Almost every year we see how convoluted the seeding
is. All we have to do is look at this year's tournment with higher seeds
getting knocked off in many games. The seeding is totally biased toward the
east and the Big East Conference. Kryskowiak's resume and subsequent hiring is
indicative of the state of Ute basketball. No one of any renoun apparently was
on the hiring list. The point is, the Utes will be considerably down on the
pecking order of being able to attract elite athletes to their athletic teams;
let's be realistic. I am a BYU fan first, and do not wish the Utes any ill
will. But they are on their own as far as I'm concerned. I can't pull for
them. I'm thinking the ticket prices at all the events will go up considerably
because of their affiliation with the new conference. We'll have to wait and
see what kind of athletes they can attract. There are only so many elite
athletes in the big recruiting markets.
hedgie,As already mentioned, Sorenson is the DNews, Utah guy,
extremely so. Frankly, it was a story not unlike what Gordon Monson would write
for the other paper. This was not anything close to the bashing that happens
here. I believe you can relate to that. Personally, I like the choice. But
agree that he has an extremely hard mountain to climb over.
After being turned down by Dave Rose, Dave Rice, Lon Kruger, Randy Bennett, Tony
Bennett, and Mike Gottfriend, among who knows how many others,we're
supposed to be impressed that the PAC 12 Utes "settled" on the same
former NBA head coach that the MWC Utes rejected four years ago when they hired
Boylen?Doesn't sound like the bar has been raised at all,
hedgehog.Krystkowiak's only head coaching experience is at Big Sky
Montana, where he was only slightly more successful than Giacoletti, and with
the Milwaukee Bucks, where he was fired after 100 games with a 31-69 record.
hedgie,I hate to break it to you, but the "Big 6" myth has
been blown up the past five years. Basketball outside of the Big 6 is just as
strong as the Big 6. Case in point - Butler (2X), VCU, George Mason and Memphis
all competing in the Final Four. The Big East had 11 teams in the tournament,
but only 2 got to the Sweet 16. That's the same number as the MWC who only got
3 invitations.And I hope you're not inferring that the PAC is one of
the best 6 conferences in basketball, because clearly they are not. Utah and
Colorado's strength will lower the PAC basketball standing even more.
It all comes down to the staff he puts together. Given that Utah has 5
schollies open up after next year, I hope Krysko can get some guys that can
really recruit the west and make some in roads. Sorenson's right, though,
keeping Matthews and O'Brien are important priorities. go utesviva la Pac 12
I was really hoping we could get Luther Wright, John Amaechi or even the Big
Dog, Antoine Carr. Larry K is a great hire. We can start calling him
Coach K now, and I am sure someone like Duke will steal that name, kind of like
the University of Miami stole our 'U' sign we do with our hands. Just like
Michigan took the "Team down south" from us to refer to Ohio St.
Coach K.2 got used to not winning in the NBA...so he should fit in just fine up
on the hill!
Didn't I read that Dr. Hill could "get anyone he wants" and the world
would be beating a path to the U door being in the pac-12?
"I'm sure jealous that the Utes have hedgie as their 'cheerleader'. I'm
bitter too."Feel free to take him with you when you leave!!!
sammyg,Don't get my wrong,BYU coaches have lived up to
BYU expectations.Broco- has won a lot of non AQ games.Rose -
He did get a NCAA tourny win against a big 6 team, although that happend last
year.All in all I think tds fans are living the dream.
I'm sure jealous that the Utes have hedgie as their 'cheerleader'. I'm bitter
A lot of mud slinging on the selection of coach k. Being part of a MAJOR
conferene it's to bee expected. Utes are held to a much higer level than
mid-major programs and the heat will always be on to win National Championships.
Other schools can feel "relief" in gettingcoaches with NO
experiance...Domain and dupaux 4 option Coach....BroncoCoach with a
Dixie college (recent junior college)experience - Rose.Utes had to
"settle" with a former NBA head coach and a coach who won in the NCAA
tournement.Yes, the bar is a bit higher on the hill.
He wouldn't have been my choice, but he's the man now. So, I'll give him my
full support and hope he can work a little magic. We need it right now. I do
believe that there is some good talent on the team to work with. If he can
develop talent better than Coach Boylen then we have a good chance. Of course
we need him to recruit better too. Go Utes!
Hey, he was willing to take the job, so we might as well give him a shot. Sure,
I've got doubts about his consistency and ability to win, but until he has at
least 1 season (or more) under his belt, we can't judge the quality of this
decision. Let's just give our Runnin' Utes the support they need to get this
program back on track!
The title of your article begs an answer to your question...can he win?The simple answer is....NO!
coach k has a big job ahead of him but I think he will make it. Claybrn is the
only good player they have.Watsonand foster are flat footed and prov ethat
white guys can't jump.They are just like trees standing there. Get someplayers from out of state like Rick M didwith Mill and VanHorn.Also I'm sure
Utah will play byu a lot in the future
Hedgie, your persecution complex is hilarious. Your act is falling apart my
friend, so sad, so so sad.Coach K.2 does needs a break... from his
own fan base but it's understandable that many fans are just frustrated over the
pattern of these past few years and the firing of coaches.Hopefully
the pattern is broken and Coach K.2 will turn it around and Ute loyalty will
again come together. Football rivalry aside, I don't want Utah to be a bottom
dweller in the PAC, I do have some state pride. Give the guy a
Good luck, Utes! Here's hoping Coack K can turn the ship and get you heading
back to glory days. Now can we talk football?
Hire Jeff Judkins as an assistant after he was passed over for the head coaching
job? That would be an eye-opener.
This Ute faithful is underwhelmed by this decision but I'll try to be
supportive. I suspect that the ultimate decision maker on this hire was the
budget because I think that Gottfried's price tag was seven figures.
Good read.It will be interesting to see if Krystowiak can succeed.
Not sure he's much of an upgrade from Boylen, but I wish him the best and hope
he puts Utah Basketball on the map.GO UTES!
hedgie,I remember someone giving Doman the hatchet and slinging this
much mud when he was promoted instead of giving him the opportunity to prove
Only time will tell... we'll just have to watch the scoreboard.
wedgie with a persecution complex LOL Sorenson is a ute homer wedgie.
Krystkowiak's only two years at Montana were about the same as Boylen's first
two years at year - the big difference; Boylen's #5 lost to a #12 in the first
round; Krystkowiak's #12 upset a #5 in the first round.Bottom line:
The Utes spent a whole bunch of money firing Boylen and hiring Krystkowiak to
end up about where they started three weeks ago.
Wow what a way to welcome a new coach with nothing but negatives, and forcasting
his demise in 3 or 4 years. Typical D-News and Utah mentality. Just prove these
biased jerks wrong Larry.
Weak move. You don't build programs by getting rid of coaches every few years.
No continuity and very expensive. Boylen was better than most people gave credit
Who really cares about heresay? I'm a huge BYU fan and wish Coach K the best
and how that he can be a great success. For this article to find a comparison
between Coach K and Stew Morrill was a stretch for me. I think the State of
Utah is blessed with some very good coaches. I wish Utah the best in the Pac
12. I wish that BYU and Utah could be in the same conference. That split was
not wanted by either school. Unfortunately, Pac 12 bias will not allow BYU into
the club so a decision had to be made. Good luck Utes. Go Cougs!
Wow, it sounds like dnews has been mandated to provide a hatchet job of the
Utes....again.Honestly can't everthing being said about coach K be
attributed to rose when he was hired. Every coach has to prove himself.Was there this much mud slinging by the dnews when bronco was hired?
After all he was the third or fourth option?
It doesn't do any good to second-guess the hiring or try to predict the future.
Fact is, he was the man picked for the job and he will be the coach for the
foreseeable future. He's got my support. I'd love to see him hire Alex Jensen as
an assistant as well.