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Mike Sorensen: Krystkowiak a nice guy, but can he win?

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  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    April 12, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Hedgie-
    I don't want this to get personal, but all of your posts refer to BYU. The article was not about BYU. I always thought you were the funny guy who just like to get under the skin of rabid Y fans, but I am sensing that perhaps you really do have a serious complex about BYU. Sorenson is historically anti-BYU and yet your posts automatically refer to BYU.

    What does that say? The U is going to the PAC which is far superior to independence and the WCC. Enjoy your team and quit obsessing with a comparison to BYU. BYU and Utah can both succeed and everyone can be happy.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    Hedgie,
    I know that you feel like you now everything sports and everything BYU, but please stop, even your own fans question the hire, and what do you want the Dnews or even your fans to look at if not the record?

    hedgie your teams are about to become a whipping boy for the so called power of the Pac 12 be ready it's going to be some long dry years. I can't wait to hear the whinning start.

    Here is a line to build on.. Yea but we are in the pac 12. I would like to see BYU do better!LOL

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Reading a u article (there are few of them) and all of the talk is about what the Y is doing. Lets see some of these posts praise their utes and be supportive and not draw a comparison with the Y. Evidentily you use the Y as a benchmark.

    Cosmo cousin:
    Wow

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    I was just kidding with my post.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    As usual wedgie the sum total of knowledge you lack is much greater than any you have.

    Coach Rose was an assistant at BYU for around a decade before he was promoted to the top job. So yes he once was the head coach of a JC and for that matter a HS before that. In otherwords he moved up the ladder until he got his chance but his 8 years as a BYU assistant is what earned him the opportunity to be the head coach.

    Coach Mendenhall was also an assitant at BYU for several years before taking over as head coach. Yes BYU did offer the job to Whittingham 1st and he accepted it then recanted the next day after chris hill kept raising the monetary offer. But no one else was offered the job as you tried to claim, Bronco was the next one offered and he accepted.

    Really a little truth on your part would make your posts more effective but of course we all remember your promise to stay off of BYU articles, that was a lie, so no one expects much out of you anyway.

  • BYU/Jazz fan West Valley, UT
    April 4, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @Cosmo's Cousin | 7:52 p.m. April 4, 2011

    Do you really expect the U program to turn around that quickly and BYU to tank so quickly? Come on, let's be realistic here. Could you at least provide a level headed outlook to the future seasons without ridiculous fan bias?

    I expect BYU to come either win the WCC or come in second with an at large bid next year if the incoming guys can pick it back up quickly since the loss of Jimmer will be big. I just hope Davies can come back.

    I think the U can be decent next year in the Pack 12 but it'll be difficult to compete with all the focus and money being in Football. I think in a couple of years they could compete for the conf championship if they can get some solid recruits again.

    I just hope the U never wins a game against BYU again. Realistic? Probably not. Wishful thinking? Of course, but then again I am a BYU fan.

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    April 4, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    I expect something like this....

    Utes
    2012 - PAC-12 runner up & Sweet 16 visit
    2013 - PAC-12 Champ & Final 4 visit
    2014 - PAC-12 Champ & National Championship

    BYU
    2012 - WCC 4th place & no post season
    2013 - WCC 3rd place & no post season
    2013 - WCC runner up & NIT berth

    The future looks bright!!

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    April 4, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Hoggy, this article is about your coach. Your comments just show your unnatural fixation on BYU! I, for one, am sorry that the Y rejected your freshman application.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    April 4, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    I guess the point of all this back and forth is that nobody knows how this hire is going to work out. I personally hope that K does well and gets the Utes on a winning track. I watched the Utes clear back when Jack Gardner ran the program.

    On the other hand, it is pretty futile to compare this hire with the promotion of and assistant at BYU or the hiring of either Dave Rose or Bronco Mendenhall. If JC coaches never became D1 coaches or coordinators never became head coaches, the nation would run out of head coaches by attrition. Sure, it takes a risk to hire a head coach without head coach experience, but the guy can either coach or he can't. I don't think Chris Hill shot from the hip here, any more than Tom Holmoe did with Bronco and Rose.

    Andy Reed had never been a head coach, but when he interviewed with the Eagles he brought his notebooks with him that showed his observations and ideas throughout the years. The interview won him the job, and his performance since then has keep the job secure.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 4, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    JustGordon

    College Head Coaching Records

    Larry Krystkowiak (Montana, Big Sky)
    2004-05 18-13, 9-5 (2nd) NCAA 1st round
    2005-06 24-7, 10-4 (2nd) NCAA 2nd round

    Ray Giacoletti (Utah, MWC)
    2004-05 29-6, 13-1 (1st) Sweet Sixteen
    2005-06 14-15, 6-10 (6th)
    2006-07 11-19, 6-10 (6th)

    Jim Boylen (Utah, MWC)
    2007-08 18-15, 7-9 (6th)
    2008-09 25-10, 12-4 (1st) NCAA 1st round
    2009-10 14-17, 7-9 (5th)
    2010-11 13-18, 6-10 (7th)

    Frankly, I don't see much difference between Krystkowiak's two seasons as Montana's head ocach, and Giacoletti's and Boylen's first two years at Utah, except for the Big Sky being a much weaker conference.

    If that's what floats your boat heading into the PAC 12, so be it.

    It'll be interesting to see if Krystkowiak is still around for the fifth year of his contract.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 4, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    "But of course when your programs are all top notch that means there are already top notch coaches waiting to move up.

    Ducky,

    I thought you got Rose from a Junior College (Dixie), is this part of bYu?

    Y would you go hard after a Utah coach (Kwhit) and then several others before settling on someone already on the bYu staff?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 4, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Uh wedgie...Doman and DuPaix are not head coaches, they are assistants just like Sitake and Roderick. I don't remember you asking any "questions" when those two were hired and then subsequently promoted.

    Also why would we "ask questions" about Bronco or Rose now? They are established winners and proven commodities. But you see none of the BYU fans ever claimed that BYU "would get whoever they wanted" or ever thought that the only coach worth having was someone elses. To the contrary we are pretty happy with the assistants that have been promoted from within. But of course when your programs are all top notch that means there are already top notch coaches waiting to move up.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 4, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    The Sports Authority? Obviously someone for whom a few facts get twisted in such a way as to make the Ute's Coach K a looser. Yet the facts, are Coach K has merited coaching positions in college and the pros that obviously underscore for those who are in the know that he as ability, knowledge, personality and persona.

    To my knowledge The Sports Authority's opinion is focused only on being negative. He presents us with no experience in any sport to make him the authority he immodestly boasts to be

  • Ernesto de Bajo Albuquerque, NM
    April 4, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    RE @scott 3:57 p.m. April4, 2011:

    Bob Knight at UNLV? I don't know what to think of that but the angle of New Mexico's Steve Alford coaching against his old colleage coach is intriguing.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    April 4, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Candicates who are interested in the vacant UNLV coaching position:

    Dave Rice
    Reggie Theus
    Bob Knight
    Larry Johnson

    The announcement could come as early as tomorrow.

    Quite a contrast to the recent hiring saga of another supposedly "superior" basketball program.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 4, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    It's a done deal; like it or not, Krystkowiak is Utah's head coach for the next 5 years.

    If he's successful, all of this debate will be forgotten. If he's not successful, this may be the prelude to Hill "retiring" at the same time as Krystkowiak leaves the program.

    3rd time's the charm

    or

    3 strikes and you're out

    The clock is ticking on Krystkowiak and Hill.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @ GoUTES

    I believe that Mike Krzyzewski has been referred to as coach K for some time now. This is why I will now refer to coach Krystkowiak as coach K.2. Let's hope he can have as much success as Mike. Incidentally, K2 is 2nd highest peak in the world, and probably the most difficult to climb. If coach K.2 can bring glory back to U basketball he will have climbed a veritable K2. In this case, I would remove the '.' from the name and call him simply K2. Thus, calling him K2 is not a slam but a hope that he can succeed.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 4, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Hedgie--You lack experience with respect and spelling.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    Try to keep up hedgehog:

    Neither Doman nor Dupaix nor Mendenhall nor Whittingham had head coaching experience before they were hired for their current positions,

    ergo,

    NONE of them could be evaluated based on their head coaching records.

    Krystkowiak doesn't get a "free pass" because he does have a record as a head coach.

    You seem to be one of the very few who's willing to give Krystkowiak a "free pass". Not surprising.

    After all of your bluster about Chris Hill being able to get anybody he wanted to, your "free pass" to Krystkowiak is simply a feeble attempt to save face.

    Show me the post you made immediately after the Boylen firing where you named Krystkowiak as your first choice to replace Boylen. The fact is, Utah settled for Krystkowiak after Hill couldn't get anybody better to take the job.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    April 4, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    Hedge,

    It puts a smile on my face knowing you are bent out of shape 24/7 over all things BYU.

    But hey, at least you have coach Rose coming to clean up your program, right?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 4, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    "Most of the comments questioning Krystkowiak's head coaching abilities have been based on Larry's coaching record. Having an overall losing record as a head coach doesn't exactly engender supreme confidence in Krystkowiak's ability to return the Utah basketball program to respectability"

    Yet the Dnews and posters seem to be able to give a "free pass' on Domain and Dupaux.....

    And no questions asked about Rose?....even though leading a former junior college (Dixie) should have at least warrented a question.

    Bronco? Concerns? nope all perfect.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 4, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    JustGordon

    Why are you condescendingly assuming that folks who make comments know nothing about basketball and Utah basketball in particular?

    Just because they may not agree with your particular point of view, doesn't make them self-righteous or smug.

    Most of the comments questioning Krystkowiak's head coaching abilities have been based on Larry's coaching record. Having an overall losing record as a head coach doesn't exactly engender supreme confidence in Krystkowiak's ability to return the Utah basketball program to respectability.

  • Cold Ute West Valley City, Utah
    April 4, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    It is too bad the author of the article seems to see the cup half full to empty when it comes to the University of Utah. I thought the article was one of the most negative welcome articles I have read for a new coach. I guess my question to Mike Sorensen is "Nice Guy but can he write?" The answer - not objectively!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 4, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    Why is that folks who know nothing about basketball and Utah basketball in particular make comments like they know something! They are condescendingly self righteous and smug and end up embarrassing themselves.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 4, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    Dear Hedgehog...

    After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring.
    He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.
    The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    April 4, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    The arguments about higher seeds being defeated in the NCAA Division 1 men's tournament is irrelevant. Almost every year we see how convoluted the seeding is. All we have to do is look at this year's tournment with higher seeds getting knocked off in many games. The seeding is totally biased toward the east and the Big East Conference. Kryskowiak's resume and subsequent hiring is indicative of the state of Ute basketball. No one of any renoun apparently was on the hiring list. The point is, the Utes will be considerably down on the pecking order of being able to attract elite athletes to their athletic teams; let's be realistic. I am a BYU fan first, and do not wish the Utes any ill will. But they are on their own as far as I'm concerned. I can't pull for them. I'm thinking the ticket prices at all the events will go up considerably because of their affiliation with the new conference. We'll have to wait and see what kind of athletes they can attract. There are only so many elite athletes in the big recruiting markets.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    hedgie,

    As already mentioned, Sorenson is the DNews, Utah guy, extremely so. Frankly, it was a story not unlike what Gordon Monson would write for the other paper. This was not anything close to the bashing that happens here. I believe you can relate to that. Personally, I like the choice. But agree that he has an extremely hard mountain to climb over.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 4, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    After being turned down by Dave Rose, Dave Rice, Lon Kruger, Randy Bennett, Tony Bennett, and Mike Gottfriend, among who knows how many others,

    we're supposed to be impressed that the PAC 12 Utes "settled" on the same former NBA head coach that the MWC Utes rejected four years ago when they hired Boylen?

    Doesn't sound like the bar has been raised at all, hedgehog.

    Krystkowiak's only head coaching experience is at Big Sky Montana, where he was only slightly more successful than Giacoletti, and with the Milwaukee Bucks, where he was fired after 100 games with a 31-69 record.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 4, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    hedgie,

    I hate to break it to you, but the "Big 6" myth has been blown up the past five years. Basketball outside of the Big 6 is just as strong as the Big 6. Case in point - Butler (2X), VCU, George Mason and Memphis all competing in the Final Four. The Big East had 11 teams in the tournament, but only 2 got to the Sweet 16. That's the same number as the MWC who only got 3 invitations.

    And I hope you're not inferring that the PAC is one of the best 6 conferences in basketball, because clearly they are not. Utah and Colorado's strength will lower the PAC basketball standing even more.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 4, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    It all comes down to the staff he puts together. Given that Utah has 5 schollies open up after next year, I hope Krysko can get some guys that can really recruit the west and make some in roads. Sorenson's right, though, keeping Matthews and O'Brien are important priorities.

    go utes

    viva la Pac 12

  • GoUTES Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    I was really hoping we could get Luther Wright, John Amaechi or even the Big Dog, Antoine Carr. Larry K is a great hire.

    We can start calling him Coach K now, and I am sure someone like Duke will steal that name, kind of like the University of Miami stole our 'U' sign we do with our hands. Just like Michigan took the "Team down south" from us to refer to Ohio St.

  • Just Wondering... Gilbert, AZ
    April 4, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Coach K.2 got used to not winning in the NBA...so he should fit in just fine up on the hill!

  • JustAnotherName Alpine, UT
    April 4, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Didn't I read that Dr. Hill could "get anyone he wants" and the world would be beating a path to the U door being in the pac-12?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 4, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    "I'm sure jealous that the Utes have hedgie as their 'cheerleader'. I'm bitter too."

    Feel free to take him with you when you leave!!!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 4, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    sammyg,

    Don't get my wrong,

    BYU coaches have lived up to BYU expectations.

    Broco- has won a lot of non AQ games.
    Rose - He did get a NCAA tourny win against a big 6 team, although that happend last year.

    All in all I think tds fans are living the dream.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 4, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    I'm sure jealous that the Utes have hedgie as their 'cheerleader'. I'm bitter too.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 4, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    A lot of mud slinging on the selection of coach k. Being part of a MAJOR conferene it's to bee expected. Utes are held to a much higer level than mid-major programs and the heat will always be on to win National Championships. Other schools can feel "relief" in getting

    coaches with NO experiance...Domain and dupaux
    4 option Coach....Bronco
    Coach with a Dixie college (recent junior college)experience - Rose.

    Utes had to "settle" with a former NBA head coach and a coach who won in the NCAA tournement.

    Yes, the bar is a bit higher on the hill.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    April 4, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    He wouldn't have been my choice, but he's the man now. So, I'll give him my full support and hope he can work a little magic. We need it right now. I do believe that there is some good talent on the team to work with. If he can develop talent better than Coach Boylen then we have a good chance. Of course we need him to recruit better too.

    Go Utes!

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    April 4, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Hey, he was willing to take the job, so we might as well give him a shot. Sure, I've got doubts about his consistency and ability to win, but until he has at least 1 season (or more) under his belt, we can't judge the quality of this decision. Let's just give our Runnin' Utes the support they need to get this program back on track!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 4, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    The title of your article begs an answer to your question...can he win?

    The simple answer is....NO!

  • Dyer Gary Bountiful, UT
    April 4, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    coach k has a big job ahead of him but I think he will make it. Claybrn is the only good player they have.Watson
    and foster are flat footed and prov ethat white guys can't jump.They are just like trees standing there. Get some
    players from out of state like Rick M didwith Mill and VanHorn.Also I'm sure Utah will play byu a lot in the future

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 4, 2011 5:19 a.m.

    Hedgie, your persecution complex is hilarious. Your act is falling apart my friend, so sad, so so sad.

    Coach K.2 does needs a break... from his own fan base but it's understandable that many fans are just frustrated over the pattern of these past few years and the firing of coaches.

    Hopefully the pattern is broken and Coach K.2 will turn it around and Ute loyalty will again come together. Football rivalry aside, I don't want Utah to be a bottom dweller in the PAC, I do have some state pride.

    Give the guy a chance.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 3, 2011 10:42 p.m.

    Good luck, Utes! Here's hoping Coack K can turn the ship and get you heading back to glory days.

    Now can we talk football?

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    Hire Jeff Judkins as an assistant after he was passed over for the head coaching job? That would be an eye-opener.

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    April 3, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    This Ute faithful is underwhelmed by this decision but I'll try to be supportive. I suspect that the ultimate decision maker on this hire was the budget because I think that Gottfried's price tag was seven figures.

  • SMS Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    Good read.

    It will be interesting to see if Krystowiak can succeed. Not sure he's much of an upgrade from Boylen, but I wish him the best and hope he puts Utah Basketball on the map.

    GO UTES!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 3, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    hedgie,

    I remember someone giving Doman the hatchet and slinging this much mud when he was promoted instead of giving him the opportunity to prove himself.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Only time will tell... we'll just have to watch the scoreboard.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    wedgie with a persecution complex LOL Sorenson is a ute homer wedgie.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    April 3, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    Krystkowiak's only two years at Montana were about the same as Boylen's first two years at year - the big difference; Boylen's #5 lost to a #12 in the first round; Krystkowiak's #12 upset a #5 in the first round.

    Bottom line: The Utes spent a whole bunch of money firing Boylen and hiring Krystkowiak to end up about where they started three weeks ago.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    April 3, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Wow what a way to welcome a new coach with nothing but negatives, and forcasting his demise in 3 or 4 years. Typical D-News and Utah mentality. Just prove these biased jerks wrong Larry.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Weak move. You don't build programs by getting rid of coaches every few years. No continuity and very expensive. Boylen was better than most people gave credit for.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    April 3, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    Who really cares about heresay? I'm a huge BYU fan and wish Coach K the best and how that he can be a great success. For this article to find a comparison between Coach K and Stew Morrill was a stretch for me. I think the State of Utah is blessed with some very good coaches. I wish Utah the best in the Pac 12. I wish that BYU and Utah could be in the same conference. That split was not wanted by either school. Unfortunately, Pac 12 bias will not allow BYU into the club so a decision had to be made. Good luck Utes. Go Cougs!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 3, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    Wow, it sounds like dnews has been mandated to provide a hatchet job of the Utes....again.

    Honestly can't everthing being said about coach K be attributed to rose when he was hired. Every coach has to prove himself.

    Was there this much mud slinging by the dnews when bronco was hired? After all he was the third or fourth option?

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    April 3, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    It doesn't do any good to second-guess the hiring or try to predict the future. Fact is, he was the man picked for the job and he will be the coach for the foreseeable future. He's got my support. I'd love to see him hire Alex Jensen as an assistant as well.