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Published: Sunday, April 3 2011 5:17 p.m. MDT

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slgs5aggie
Cedar City, UT

Would love to see some statistics about church run farms. How many, which states, total number of acres. That would be impressive also. To see how much of the supplies that the church uses, that it produces itself. The amazing thing to me about the church welfare system is that it is about enabling people to become producers and not just consumers.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Argghhhh!

Welfare - that evil Socialist ideology where the haves give to the have nots.
Re-distribution of wealth, etc., etc. etc.

[sarcasm, off]

Hats off to our LDS Social Justice.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@LDS Liberal

There's a difference.

LDS welfare - Provide immediate relief, then teach self-reliance.
Socialism - Provide immediate relief, then keep on providing it until the money runs out.

Even a simpleton can understand the difference.

Patrick Henry
West Jordan, UT

Oh LDS liberal you know full well that the Church for the most part asks people to do something in return for the aid received. Unlike the Government, which we all know just gives money away while asking for HARDLY anything in return.

Wastintime
Los Angeles, CA

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act 1996:

Granted states more autonomy over welfare delivery.
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.
In granting states wider latitude for designing their own programs, some states have decided to place additional requirements on recipients. Although the law placed a time limit for benefits supported by federal funds of no more than 2 consecutive years and no more than 5 years over a lifetime, some states have enacted briefer limits.

The LDS system is great in theory, but often people get assistance with little to nothing asked of them in return.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

Thank you, Wastintime, for pointing out the truth in the "socialist welfare system".

Brave Sir Robin, even a simpleton should know the truth about the 1996 "welfare law". Why don't you?

Patrick Henry
West Jordan, UT

I think we can all agree that it is more important to teach a man to fish ( while providing him a fish while he learns to fish) than to just keep giving him free fish everyday.

Is that a fair statement?

Mick
Murray, Utah

I participate in helping with the church welfare system because it is a wonderful and inspired program. Not becasue it is a life long, failed system forced on me by the government. That is the difference between socialism and caring for the poor and needy.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

While investigating welfare reform as President, Bill Clinton visited LDS church officials and left extremely impressed with what he saw.

Considering
Stockton, UT

"Welfare - that evil Socialist ideology where the haves give to the have nots.
Re-distribution of wealth, etc., etc. etc. ... [sarcasm, off]"

How ironic that in matters of public morality, mores, and culture, "liberal" will remember the importance of "free agency" even as she conveniently forgets that important principle in matters of charity.

Just because I am opposed to government doing something, does not mean I am opposed to the thing being done.

I very carefully censor what movies, tv shows, magazines, books, and music are allowed into my home. But, excepting some basic decency standards for over-the-air broadcasts, I am very leery of government presuming to censor for me.

I donate time, money, and talents of my own free will to not only the LDS Church run welfare and humanitarian efforts and programs, but also to effective non-LDS programs.

I object most strenuously to having government reduce my ability to do so by forcefully taking my income (and thus time) to fund its poorly run, often destructive programs that foster dependence on the dole in too many case.

And I highly suggest Elder Oaks, "Weightier Matters" talk, Liahona, March 2000 on "agency".

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Considering
What do you know about the functioning of the U.S. welfare system? What were the components of the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act? Most of the welfare system consists of Medicare and Social Security. Are you advocating the end of these programs? Is your family prepared to take care of the elderly in your home or financially support their care? (note: nursing homes cost approx $6000/mon). What about those in your ward who, through no fault of their own, lost their jobs? Are the ward members equipped to pay mortgages/rent/utilities/gas etc. while the member searches for a job?

The bottom line is, as I've seen in every ward I've ever lived in, there is a small handful of people who contribute the bulk of the monetary and administrative needs of the ward. It takes a "village" ie govt. and charitable contributions/programs to assist the needy.

I would note from Dallin Oaks talk that agency cannot be taken away. It is a condition of life on earth. Agency, freedom and choice are separate issues.

Sqweebie
Salt Lake City, UT

Since welfare is being spoken of - In New Hampshire if you are single with no children and lose your job you can get food stamps for only three months unless you are receiving unemployment benefits which you are probably at lease looking into at least 5 places that might be hiring. I qualified for food stamps while working(didn't ask for them) but not while unemployed and had no money coming in.

I have only had to use the church welfare a couple of times. I like the idea of it being availible if we need to use it. Recently one of my husband's care providers told us because of our low income we should ask the church for help. I guess we are just proud and are smart enough to know how to make do with what we have or just plain do without.

Doctor
Tucson, AZ

Test

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "LDS Liberal | 6:05 p.m." the welfare system is not socialism. You obviously don't understand what socialism is.

For the Church welfare system to be socialism, first, it would have to be owned by the government. Second, it would have to be compulsory. Third, it would not require that you work for what you receive.

As President Benson said "Another notable counterfeit system to the Lord's plan is collectivized socialism. Socialism derives its philosophy from the founders of communism, Marx and Engels....Today Congress is doing what Madison warned about. Many are now advocating that which has become a general practice since the early 1930s: a redistribution of wealth through the federal tax system. That, by definition, is socialism!"

You can't tell me that socialism is good, knowing that Prophets since Joseph Smith have denounced it.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I would like to point out that LDS Employment services is open to all people without regard to religious affiliation. When I went to their employment workshop one time most of the people in the workshops were of other faiths.

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