MichiganCoog,I have no problem with BYU's independence in football.
I have stated several times in comments on other articles that BYU took the best
option available to them. I wish BYU well and think they will do well as an
independent.I have also stated just as often that the U couldn't
make it as an independent. We don't have the national fan base to make that
happen. That is the key and common factor amongst all the major independent
programs. So for us, affiliation with a bigger conference was the best route to
give our teams, students and fans the best opportunities.Each
athletic program went the direction that was best for it. It is frustrating to
see so many fans on both sides argue about which school made the better choice
or got the better deal when in reality both schools got what was best for them.
Mormon Ute,This BYU fan could care less about joining a liberal
bunch of big-heads that think they are better than everyone else (i.e. PAC10
presidents and such). Even if BYU were invited, I believe (right, wrong or
indifferent)the Brethren of the LDS church would have rejected the notion in
leau of all the proposition 8 flack we've rec'd since then. And, being that that
was underlying reason that no offer was extended to BYU from the Left-coast, BYU
did the only thing they could, and chose Independance, rather than let the MWC
drain BYU wallets.Have a great experience in the PAC12, we'll enjoy
ours in Independance, keeping all of our proceeds from the TV deals and such. Is
it any wonder why Notre Dame keeps thumbing their noses at the BIG10? Yes, BYU
is not even close to Notre Dames level, but give it a few years (with success of
course) and BYU will also reach that kind of level. Talking w/ a cashier in
South Bend at the College Football Hall recently, he stated that BYU will do
fine, and is glad to have us join them in Independance!!!
Duckhunter,You have to admit the WCC was not the first choice. That
is so widely known, if you deny it you will be seriously damaging your
credibility. The WCC doesn't have swimming, track and field, or softball. So
what about those sports? BYU does participate in them in the MWC so what will
now happen to those sports.It is frustrating to deal with so many
BYU fans who a few years ago were salavating over the opportunity to get into
the PAC-10 and now are so critical of Utah's move to that conference. Don't
punish us for your frustration at not getting invited or our acceptance of the
invitation BYU would have taken, if it had come.
@mormon uteBaseball for one. The WCC has several teams that are
routniely top 25 teams. Womens soccer as well is a better conference than the
mwc. Mens golf is another the wcc is better in. There are others as well plus
many of them are equivalents. The only sport that you can say took an actual
downgrade is mens basketball. The MWC is a better conference in mens basketball
although in womens they are about on par.Really the whole tired
assertion that BYU has thrown its other sports under the bus for the sake of
football is false. Most are equivalent to where they were, a few upgraded and
only one took a downgrade.But in the case of utah there is no doubt
the other sports are going to be scarificed. Outside of womens gymnastics no
other sport at utah is better than average. They are now going to a conference
that prides itself on the 'other' sports and they are going to get waxed,
regularly. I would contend that is where the sacrificing of all
other sports for the hope of bettering one really occured.
"I hear Bozo the Clown needs a job!!....Utah and clowns go very good
together."Bozo would require more than Utah can pay, I'm sure
if we need a clown you would be available for a lot less!!
MichiganCoog,No, you are all about speculation. My point is simply
you might want to be careful before you laugh too hard. BYU is entering just as
much unchartered territory as Utah and the risks are huge. As much as you talk
about Utah losing football players, how many coaches did BYU hire? How many of
them are brand new to their coaching positions? With at least one taking his
very first coaching job. I can sit here all day and point out weaknesses and
downsides to BYU's future in a number of sports. The problem is that doesn't
help the Utes or bring me any joy. That only tears down somebody else and
that's just not sportsmanlike.
Mormon Ute,Sorry to ruffle your feathers dude, I am just stating
simple facts. Utah's b-ball program is a disaster, BYU's just finished it best
season ever, and Jimmer just landed yet another POY award to his growing cashe
of awards. I hate to sound big-headed, but I am simply stating facts. Add
Football to equation, BYU's program had a disaster year last year starting 1-4
w/ a Freshman and sophmore dominated squad, that finished on a high note. Yes,
one could say that it was against inferior competition, but so was Utah's in
their first 6 games to start out 8-0, but stumbled and bumbled their way to a
10-3 record, then lost everyone of their noteworthy skill and line players on
both side of the ball. BYU's? All return except for 3 DB's in the secondary, and
10 of 11 starters on offense. And you say I am lost? I am simply stating that
BYU's future is much brighter for the next 3 years on both the hardwoods and
gridiron, and UTAH's is rebuilding...I like BYU's future much better for obvious
Duckhunter,Please tell me which of BYU's other sports got an upgrade
and how. What I view as an upgrade is better competition, better opportunities
for post season play, better TV exposure, more money to fund facilities. I see
all of those for virtually every sport at the U with the move to the PAC-12.
For BYU, going to the WCC I don't see them getting any of that in any sport.
Thanks again pebbles! LOL
Veritas Aequitas | 4:28 p.m. April 3, 2011"Football is not
driving the bus, but Hill, essentually with this hire, just threw basketball
under the bus"You know that is an excellent point and one I
have thought about myself. certain ute "fans" on here like to say BYU
threw their other sports under the bus, falsely, in favor of football but the
truth is utah did a much worse thing to all of their other sports. They elect to
go to the pac10 basicly because of football but none of their other sports is
really even competitive in the mwc so by going to a conference that is
supposedly much better, especially in the "olympic" sports, they are
more or less dooming every one of those other sports to even greater
mediocrity.Now they are building a new football complex, and it is
needed, and basicly ignoring the glaring infrastructure needs of the basketball
team. Of course I understand why they did it, the pac10 came calling
so they went, but the honest ute fans know that their other sports were hung out
to dry much moreso than BYU's. Some of BYU's actually got an upgrade.
Lil Ducky you're a hoot, though you and only you think you are with all your LOL
at your keyboard; a bit strange I would say. Now, why don't quit being a troll
on every Utah article and try to get some class.
pebblesUtah's heyday in basketball ended in the WAC. BYU's record
during the MWC era is much better overall and in conference.In
football, Utah still lags far behind BYU in the true measures of success at the
national level - Top 25 finishes, national individual awards, and of course,
Another gem pebbles! LOL
Rock Of The Marne | 1:17 p.m. April 3, 2011 Phoenix, AZ Rip on
Utah Basketball all you want but Utah still has an overall better record and far
better post season list of accomplishments compared to your beloved Y.===Rock, that and two free tickets the kids were giving away at
the Gateway, will get you and a date into the HC...This was a poor
hire by Hill.Football is not driving the bus, but Hill, essentually
with this hire, just threw basketball under the bus.
Boy the BYU trolls are out in spades showing their obsession for all things Utah
(I counted 8 disparaging comments from different Y trolls). You guys are the
biggest hypocrites around; whining when a couple of Utah fans come and make
posts on your team's threads but yet like a moth to a flame you leave your
hateful drivel at every opportunity regarding Utah; classless you are. Rip on
Utah Basketball all you want but Utah still has an overall better record and far
better post season list of accomplishments compared to your beloved Y; yet I
know those facts really don't matter to haters such as you.
Hedgie,For once you've made a meaningful comment, perhaps your best
in months...and it only took one very descriptive word to define the state of
UofU athletics...In all seriousness, hopefully (for the sake of Utah
Basketball and its' future in general), Mr. K can turn things around under the
silver dome, or Dr. Hill could be writing his own resignation letter next, after
spending millions in cash on the last two duds that have attempted to get the
Ute b-ball program jump-started.
MichiganCoog,It is you who needs to take a reality check. Neither
Utah nor BYU has played a single game outside their MWC affiliation. Let's wait
and see before we brand either direction a failure. The bottom line is both
schools took the best option available to them and the U will be far better
off down the road going to the PAC-12 than we would have been staying in the
MWC. Just like BYU will likely be far better off independent in football.One interesting point that all you BYU fans are missing as you jump to
laugh and criticize what is happening at the U. In this article Brad Rock could
have just as easily said all of these same things about BYU. At BYU, basketball
and all the other sports are now taking a big step downward to facilitate the
move to independence for football. So BYU's motivation and actions are not that
different from the U.
Rock hit it on the head. This may be an interim hire for the basketball
program. If Larry K. pans out, he'll likely get a raise in 3 or 4 years when
the U gets full revenue sharing. If he doesn't pan out, look for the U to be in
the market for another coach then and they will be offering that $2 million.
Henry Drummond | 10:09 a.m. April 3, 2011 San Jose, CA Now
that Utah is in the PAC-12 my guess is that a top coach like Larry Krystkowiak
will now be willing to accept their offer. ===The same guy
they turned down in favor of Boylen when Utah was in the MWC? The same guy who
has been fired since? The guy who works out for two years, then get's fired? Who
was willing to accept their offer three years ago?That top coach?Lucky Utah is in the PAC. Everything has changed.
I think you'll find that big name coaches get money from a variety of sources
including well heeled boosters. Coaches want more than the money. They want
the environment they can compete in. Now that Utah is in the PAC-12 my guess is
that a top coach like Larry Krystkowiak will now be willing to accept their
I like the new hire. New coach K should be able to retain Washburn, O'Brien, and
Clyborn. The Utes will be alright next year. Enough to make it to the NCAA
tourney? I don't know. But it's a good move and it's over.
So, you are complaining because money that football brings in is being used for
football rather than for overpaying for a basketball coach? Let me guess, you
think socialized medicine is a good idea and can't understand why hard-working
Americans don't like the idea of giving up their paycheck to pay for everybody
Perhaps its time that the Utah administration and fanbase take a long look in
the mirror, and admit to themselves that Utah's sports programs are just not as
great as they think they are, and settle for the first guy that has a heart
beat, and willing to take a much smaller paycheck than the big boys can offer.
Wake up boys on the hill, joining the PAC10 conference isn't paying
the dividens like you thought...at least not at the moment, or maybe never. Ask
Washington State and Oregon State...they've been in that conference for 50 plus
years, and nobody is knocking down the doors to get those jobs...neither is
anyone willing to go to Utah's basketball program either for one reason...who
wants to? And, who even cares outside of SLC? It has been in shambles since the
fat man left, and probably 5-10 years away from the success that it craves.
Then, once the Football program takes a nose-dive out of the gate next fall w/
the green offense and new everything, Dr. Hill is going to have to go after the
tax-payers for help...ouch!
Rock ...Just like in horse racing... and Utah's search for a new coach. There is
an extreme difference between taking your time finding a good Jockey to ride a
great horse with a great record... and desperately seeking to find someone
willing to go take the saddle and reins off of a horse that just expired and
died on the track without even crossing the finish line. That vancancy shingle
is going to be hanging out there for a while. Maybe even til even after the
first couple of Utah Football games...just to get a feel for how hostile the new
frontier is actually going to be.
The new coach will make a million dollars a year. Cry me a river. We are
laying off teachers and everyone is struggling just to make ends meet. Please
explain why we need $16 million for football facilities. Where are our
priorities? I thought the U of U was an academic institution. Didn't I just
read about tuition being raised. I wonder how much a top faculty member is
being compensated. What a sad commentary on society when a B-Ball coach earns
more than a PH.D from Harvard.
Famed Coach Norm Chow?The guy who is with his 5th team in 10 years?
The euphoria and arrogance of Ute fan sure has been subdued. Just
can't see Utah competing at any level in the Pac-10.2BYU's in a much
brighter spot.Nobody forces athletes to accept full ride
scholarships, tuition, housing, books, meals...Poor babies....
Those innovative Utes. Instead of paying two salaries for one HC, Utah opted to
pay two salaries for none!
I hear Bozo the Clown needs a job!!....Utah and clowns go very good together.
They appear to be on the edge of a cliff financially. They could be rescued or
they could fall. Stay tuned.
I like the rumored hire. The pattern may continue.
"As head football coach Kyle Whittingham noted, "it's an arms
race" when it comes to facilities."Whatever we do, lets
not increase players' stipends.The NCAA is one of the most
hypocritical institutions, ever. Gazzilions for facilities, for coach's
salaries, etc., but the players get minimum. Equal opportunity exploitation.