skywalker,Nice try, but I don't think so. To most observers it
indicates he is still a candidate and is probably waiting to see what the
counter offer is from BYU before giving a definite answer to Chris Hill.
In My Humble Opinion "The Utes are going from one of the
(historically) best programs in the MWC/WAC to just "another" PAC 12
team."The Utes started the MWC era strong, but halfway through,
it's like the program took a nose dive off a cliff, from which they've never
recovered.BYU has been pulling farther and farther ahead of Utah
every year since Dave Rose became BYU's head coach.That's why
Huntsman and Eccles so desperately tried to pry Rose away from BYU.
Mormon Ute Dave Rose met with Chris Hill, listened to his offer,
then turned him down, just like he turned down Oklahoma.Why wasn't
it announced in the media?Coach Rose was probably just helping Dr.
Hill save face.
gchris,It has been reported by at least one reputable source that
Rose did talk with Chris Hill twice. Coach Rose has to know that has been
reported. If he truly is not at all a candidate, he would have said so, just as
he did with the Oklahoma job.
sammyg,I quoted this in a comment on another article: "BYU
head coach Dave Rose - a source close to the basketball program has confirmed
that Utah athletics director Chris Hill and Rose have met twice, but whether
that was to discuss his potential interest in the job or to gain information on
BYU assistant Dave Rice remains to be seen." It was written on BYU's
flagship station's web site in an article about candidates for the Ute's job. I
would think that is considered a reliable source by all BYU fans. So my
questions remains, why hasn't he removed himself from the list?
To Mormon Ute: A better question would be, why would Dave Rose even consider
stepping down to the Utah program? Yes, we all know that Utah is going to the
PAC10 and that the everyone should stop what they're doing and bow to the West,
but Dave Rose is riding a wave at BYU while the Utah program is gasping for air.
With a great coach like Rose, it will still take years to repair the damage to
that program. Is getting hammered by UCLA, USC, Stanford, Arizona and Washington
and every non-conference opponent, including BYU, for the forseeable future
something that Rose or any other successful coach would want?If Rose had a
conversation with Hill, it was proabably about Dave Rice. Rice, as a non-Mormon
who is very familiar with in-state recruiting, would be a nice fit at Utah.
Unfortunately, Dr. Hill is more interested in public relations right now than in
hiring a great coach like Dave Rice. Good luck with that.
"I keep asking this question, but nobody is answering. Why hasn't Coach
Rose taken his name out of the running for the Utah job?" Ute... How about the other side of the coin. Do you have any confirmed sources
that prove that Coach Rose actually talked to Dr. Hill??? None on the DNews
sports pages and you would think that news like that would make it here.Seems to me that too many people are relying on hedgie for the 'news'.
I keep asking this question, but nobody is answering. Why hasn't Coach Rose
taken his name out of the running for the Utah job?
A relevent quote from a resident ute "fan"."There is
no doubt that at the end of the day dr. chris hill will get whoever he
A Basketball Coachs ProverbThere was a story on the news last night
showing life imitating an old children's riddle. It seems that a truck got
stuck at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel. Too high for the clearance. Well,
for hours, the experts tried to find some way to unwedge the vehicle, but to no
avail. Finally, a ten-year-old girl in a passing car suggested simply letting
the air out of the truck's tires, thus lowering it to the clearance level, which
they did. And it worked. Well, by letting some of the air out of Utah's strategy
to hire a big name basketball coach, Dr. Hill could effectively find the light
at the end of Utah's proverbial coaching tunnel.Its time for Dr.
Hill to stop searching for a name instead of a coach.Hire Tommy
Dave Rose was a high school coach at Millard High and Pine View before he became
an assistant and then head coach at Dixie. He was an assistant at BYU for eight
years before getting his chance and now he is in the running for national coach
of the year. Sometimes, it is worth taking a chance on comeone who hasn't
already made the big name and big salary. Ute fans seem to be so caught up in
this PAC12 eupohoria, that they don't want to even consider hiring a coach who
doesn't have that big name. You could do worse than hiring Tommy Connor. I
think that, given the chance, he could be another Dave Rose. The same could be
said for Jeff Judkins but he probably wouldn't leave BYU for the same reasons
that Rose won't. As a BYU fan, I hope Utah finds the right coach and is very
successful in their new conference. It will make beating them that much
The U has had coaches that consistently win games 10 or so a year.
Let's see. - The Utes are going from one of the (historically) best
programs in the MWC/WAC to just "another" PAC 12 team. A prospect
interested in winning might pause before committing.- No current
recruit is able to remember the 1990's - The population in Utah is a
fraction of what it is in every PAC 12 home except Washington State, so the
local bases is less than its rivals -- the opposite of the mix in the MWC.- They will be playing on Sundays, which may discourage one of the Utes'
historically fertile recruiting bases: Utah kids who are LDS. Even though many
of the Utes' best players haven't been LDS, some have, and many have filled the
roster.Personally, I'm curious as to how this PAC 12 thing is going
to work out for the Utes. Now if Dr. Hill has a shot at the VCU or Butler
coaches, good for him. Otherwise it seems odd there is no word.
If you folks don't get a coach that is willing to buy into the LDS connection to
Utah sports in general, it will a tough go for him, because I don't think the
PAC 12 thing is going to be an automatic draw for 4 and 5 star players.As a BYU fan I enjoy the anticipation of a game in any sport that I know we
will win beforehand, but playing Utah has become a little embarrassing, big
rivalry notwithstanding.Good luck in your search.
People relax, the U has only been turned down by a hand full of coaches, they
still have sevral other to reject the greatest job in the NCAA.Before we hear from Hill and the rest of the Ute fans telling us they got the
one the wanted from the beggining.I am still not convinced Rice
wants to touch it either. LOL
@mormon uteI'm really not all that concerned about it.
Mormon UteWishful thinking.Dave Rose already has his new
BYU contract in hand and he and his attorney are currently reviewing the details
before signing it. It's doubtful he gave that much thought to turning down a
$1.7 million/year offer from Oklahoma, and whatever Utah could offer in terms of
money and prestige pales in comparison to Oklahoma.Dave Rice might
be a possibility, but you can forget Rose. It's not happening.
Duckhunter & sammyb,The flagship station of BYU sports is
reporting the Dave Rose met twice with Chris Hill. They cannot confirm if they
were discussing Coach Rose's future or Dave Rice, but the fact remains that
neither Coach Rose nor Chris Hill have removed Rose's name from the list of
candidates. Until they do he is at the top of my list.Come on over
Coach Rose. You'll look good in red.
He reportedly also turned down overtures from Oklahoma and North Carolina State.
As reported in Thursdays Las Vegas newspapers, Coach Kruger of UNLV has been
approached by Utah this past week, and he turned them down.
By the way Riles....If what you said were true when speaking with
one of your guests on the show yesterday about Utah losing two blue chip
recruits one of which went to North Carolina, and the other to USC because there
wasn't a coach at Utah currently, then Chris Hill needs to make up his mind.Larry K, or Gottfried sound like decent fits either way. I like
Gottfrieds experience but Krystko's upside. Either way, Hill needs to get this
baby done. Tyrell Corbin is a great player here in the state. He's interested in
Utah but will ultimately go somewhere else. Utah needs players like Corbin who
are highly talented and local.Get it done Hill.Go Ute's
I agree with you that winning would begin to fill the HC, but in order to win,
you have to recruit. I heard Boylen on many occassions claim Utah had its best
recruiting class ever from him but the results never panned out including the
appearance of anything with much talent. Utah does have some talent now in
O'Brien, and Clyburn, but everyone else are bench to semi-role players. Jiggy is
terrible for running the point unless he's running the "And-1" team.
Moreover, Utah has had no evidence since Nevill left of any type of offense.
Utah's lack of a true point gaurd has killed them!Another point,
Boylen drove me crazy in his tactics. Yes he went to public events such as Utah
football games. The problem with his speech is he sounded more like a pro
wrestler telling his opponent he was going to crush his skull. With Boylen, the
program was about HIM! Nothing else.... When asked about the program last year,
he said it was his program bla bla bla! The man couldn't recruit!
This paired with his lousy tactics killed Utah hoops!
Utah has tradition. Utah has Pac-12 affiliation. So, why is Utah basketball
become such an afterthought? No discussion nationally about the coaching
vacancy. No interest from established coaches to even interview for the
position.No fan interest or attendance.No local (Utah) players on
Gee, an article that fails to mention Dave Rose coming to Utah. Read 'em and
weep... hedgie.Hope the coaching problem is alleviated soon. Utes
need to get back to business for the PAC-10.2
riley this is probaqbly the 1st time I have ever agreed with you. Normally your
over the top homerism clouds your thought process but in this case you are
correct.utah needs a coach that will win games. With the tenuous, at
best, utah fanbase anything less than winning, alot, and the fans simply abandon
the program. Hills focus should be purely on getting a guy who is capable of
rebuilding utah into a winner. It is pretty obvious at this point
that he will need to take a risk with an up and comer to do that because
established coaches, like Coach Rose and Coach Bennett, just keep turning him
down. He needs to be able to see in his mind that the utah job is currently not
considered to be that great of a job and he is not going to get a guy that has
it going on somewhere else.
Ya Riles, we hear all the buzz about Krystkowiak too, but what makes me scratch
my head a bit is why there isn't more buzz about Tommy Connor. What does Dr.
Hill have against him? He's well-connected to the program, has been a
successful head coach (granted, NAIA is not D-1, but a bunch of others have made
that leap...) and knows the local ropes as well as or better than Larry K and
far better than Mark Gottfried. I'd hire Connor in a heartbeat!
I'm afraid that too many, like Bill Riley, believe the Utah Head Coach position
is a marquee job where it isn't. It's not in the eyes of most of the country. Is
that why it's taking Hill so long to find a replacement? Because he expects
marquee coaches to be banging down his door to interview? Just the other day on
the Dan Patrick show, Dan was talking about the college basketball head coaching
carousel and the Utah job didn't even come up. He mentioned all the major
openings still out there, even Dayton, but not Utah.
bigutefan, please do not speak for us when you say that "we are all
extremely happy" about Coach Boylen being fired because we're not. You
were just out for him from the start. Your whole post is drenched with
negativity about Boylen. He is gone thanks to fans like you, put it behind you
and stop kicking the man while he's down.Also, how in any way can you say
he doesn't interact with his players. Were you there at every practice, every
team meeting, etc? I think not. Coach Boylen was aware of all his guys and
their needs.As far as the new coaching goes, winning would be great
but we'll need someone who can persuade the guys to stay in the first place or
there will be no winning happening soon, which is the exact reason why Boylen
was fired. Impatient Ute fans who asked for Boylen's head might be given a
taste of their own medicine.
Bill Riley is right on the money! Players do win games; however, they do so
with leadership, skills, discipline, and sound fundamentals. Good team
leadership and good players must have good coaching as their foundation. Sure
the coach ideally should be a role model for his kids. But, ultimately winning
puts fans into the seats, the school on the sports map, and the coaching staff
in a position to recruit more good players into the program year after year.
While we all may have our own altruistic views of what college basketball or
sports ought to be about, winning is what makes boosters and fans happy and
allows athletic directors to sleep at night. That's the real world!
"What Utes need most is a coach who consistently wins games."No kidding?
I agree with Riley.....and we think Roger Reid is your man!
Dear Mr Riley, May I remind you, Coaches don't win games. The players do.
We know you liked Boylen, and yes he was excited about his job. But the problem
is he did not have the social skills to sell the program, to interact with
players, and assure fans that their was any knowledge in that head. So I agree,
winning is going to solve many problems, but you still need a coach that acts
like a professional on the sidelines rather than a gorilla. A coach that when
they speak, everyone doesn't cringe. A coach who can teach skill development.
Utah needs winning and a coach to excite the fan base. Boylen is gone, and we
are all extremely happy about it. The voice of the Utes should be too.
Ok, fine, I'll take the job. And I'm happy with a modest salary of 75k for the
first year. If we have a losing season, you can fire me. If we have a winning
season, you can raise it to 100k. If I pull a VCU and make it to the final four,
you can just give me a nice bonus along with the raise.I'm cheap and
pretty good :)