Wow, nunyaI've never heard anyone, especially BYU trolls on here,
mention Chow's time UCLA. I'm very intrigued, please share more of this new
information with me.go Utes!viva la Pac-12
well, I know I'm not talking to bright fans but let me see if I can get through
to someone....if you really want to know what your offense is going to be like
and even play like, just watch UCLA games since chao got there. just
saying....wait, wasn't ucla last in the pac 10? Hmmmmm
Utah will compete very well in the Pac-12. The reason? Their defense. They
didn't make it to BCS Bowls because of their offense. But, after having such
poor showings at the end of last season, they need to do something. Even the
best defenses can't get you the win every game if your O can't score more than 3
points.If Wynn is healthy, the Utes will score enough to be in the
upper half of the Pac-12 and will go to a bowl game. If he isn't healthy...it
will be a long season for the Utes.
Magna--I see three wins. They're going to tough. Texas (if improved) may be a
@ Eagle, We shall see. But I can promise you one thing. Coach Whit won't be
forcing Coach Chow to run the Pistol offense like New Weasel was. That's a big
step in the right direction.
I hope the offense doesn't work like UCLA's because that offense was brutal...
Worf1. Will the utes go bowling this year? I think they will.
We'll see. 2. After a few incomplete passes, will Chow panic and just run
the ball? Huh... I doubt it. He doesn't have a lot on the line (other than
pride). He's experienced enough to know better. Again, we'll see. The
question for me is which Jordan Wynn will we see? The 6-0 Jordan Wynn from
early in the season last year or the train wreck at the end? Time will only
tell. 3. This coming year, who will generate the highest revenue? I
assume that BYU will, as Utah isn't getting a whole lot this year from the PAC
12. Though, Utah will likely get more this year than they would have in the
MWC. How will BYU do in their tough opening stretch against Miss,
Tx, and Utah?
To repeat the obvious, Jordan Wynn has zero running ability, which is not a good
thing if you're running a read-option. Wynn and Langi will be better suited for
this offense than they are for the spread. I am cautiously optimistic.Gotta love the first comment on a Ute story is a Cougar troll referencing Ute
trolls. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. This is a typical Ute story... filled with
hymn to the silentThe BYU Honor Code is simply the gospel with a
dress code attached. So it actually should extend to ALL members of the LDS
Church at ALL times, regardless of team or school affiliation.
@WorfThat's pretty lame... using the exact same qoute from Hedgehogs Ben
Cahoon posting. At least he's original...man that's low.
I find it funny that Cougar fans (Im a part of the community, but dont add on to
the feud) that U trolls dont comment enough on their articles, and yet they are
here doing the same thing here..... TROLLING. Lets keep it real...
its a rivalry, but dont say that and do the opposite. They beat us
last year, whether or not it was the refs fault. They BLOCKED the FG, ITS OVER
AND DONE WITH. Move on hopefully we can return the favor.Dont stoop
down to Christina's, HedgLog, and the other UTE trolls level.
Magna, you have more class than some other Ute fans. Some questions:1. Will the utes go bowling this year?2. After a few incomplete
passes, will Chow panic and just run the ball?3. This coming year, who
will generate the highest revenue?
um...I don't think it's going to matter what offense they use....you will still
be last in the conference. Just telling it like it is. Wait, you might be
first in some kind of research thingy.
The cougar trolls here are really grasping for anything aren't they? Quick
review: Utah and BYU are 10-10 in the last 20 years. If you are predicting
that Utah will be destroyed by the PAC 12, then you are basically predicting
that the cougars would get destroyed too. I don't believe that either team
would get out-classed in the PAC 12. I wish the cougars were coming with us to
the PAC 12. But we won the beauty pagent. So be it. BYU has chosen a
different path, that I find about equally exciting. College football around
here is SO exciting for the foreseeable future. Thanks as always to
the classy cougar fans who come here for some real football based discussion.
I am a Utah Man Sir!
What???! MyCommon2Sense? Try to keep up Brother. It has already been
established that a) The Utes haven't run a true spread offense in a few years.
b) Their offense hasn't been producing up to par. c) Kyle was set on changing
things up before Chow came on board. d) Chow is not and never was going to be
a spread offense coach. Kyle was very aware of that before he ever picked up
the phone. This isn't some panic-induced mid-camp desperation.
This is awesome strategic evolution in preparation for taking the next step up
From an admitted Cougar fan, I was really hoping that the Utes would have a
great year (11-1 with loss at LES would work for me) to show that the MWC et al
were the real deal. Now, it looks like Chow hasn't been able to
pick up the spread offense, or they finally figured out that they recruited
poorly, so mid-Spring practice they are transitioning to the WCO. What?? Is
that offense supposed to be tricky for anyone? It's been around what, 30 years?
Chow was a cancer to UCLA football. I hope I am wrong, but he just might be
cancer to the Utes too. Giving up the offense that gave you the best decade of
your football history with a great winning percentage vs the big conferences
probably isn't a good idea. Recruiting a QB who can run your offense would have
been a good idea. On the bright side, it will probably be easier
for BYU to beat the U this year as they try to figure everything out.
Mid-season they might be running the pistol, as Chow tried to do here in SoCal
as a last resort.
re:hymn to the silent...you may want to stop calling he kettle black...
"It will be fun to watch as all the pac 10.2 run all over"Eddie I hope your paying royalities to Sammyg, he already stole that one from
50 or 60 other people.
Sorry Utes, Chris B just predicted a great year for you. With his track vast
pronosication skills the team is bound for mediocrity for sure now. Oh well,
there is always the '10 Vegas Bowl for Chris to bask in. Utes 34Boise 24
This is a good move for Utah. They got two cow bell type RB's on their team that
need to be the focal point of their offense. They may not hit on all
cylinders at the beginning of the year, but with experience and reps the WCO can
be a great offense to work with especially heading into the Pac 12.Also TE's and FB's should be a priority in recruiting for the U. Look at
Stanford they excelled in the WCO because of the personnel they had and the U
has those type of guys minus the all utility FB and complete TE.Good
luck to the U in the Pac 12 Rise and Shout the Cougars are out
Utah stopped running the spread when Brian Johnson hurt his knee. This is a
The honor code should extend to BYU fan's behavior on the boards...Chow is a good choice for a couple of years. No one with any unbiased football
knowledge thinks the Utes will do poorly in the pac. There will be some growing
pains, but Utah will be a solid football program with plenty of National ink for
a long time. And they do have good kids who are expected to live a standard. I'm
excited to see us open up the run game, the raw talent in the backfield this
year is incredible. Mixing up the offense is smart, even if it doesn't produce
the exciting big plays you get occasionally with gimmick offenses. Better to
have a solid offense that puts you in a position to score and score often. Gonna
be a fun ride.
Bring on the football season. I cannot wait to see the u fall to the abyss of
NCAA football. It will be fun to watch as all the pac 10.2 run all over, under,
around and through the uties. All the u will have to do for a "red"
out is play. The fans will be in their seats with red faces and red
shirts....all 20 of them.This year is going to be fun! ! ! ! !
Chow's offense sputters, chokes, smokes then roars to life like a Hemi on
steriods. Next two years MAY be filled with a lot of choking, sputtering and
smoke. It's not learned in a spring camp, especially when half the camp is over
before a decision is made to go all in on it.
It's too early to tell either way. Transitions take time. Will they be ready by
Fall? We'll find that out in the Fall.
I suspect Chow will win National awards for his coaching this year. From what
I've read... how could he not?
As Much as I hated seeing Chow at Utah I have to agree with Bugoff. Norms the
king of the pro set. If Kneheisal had allowed Chow a free rein they would have
excelled in the PAC. And as far as the pistol goes it didn't work for Kneheisel
which is why they didn't have much success. Chow knew that... but he had no
real input. "K" was too tight fisted and too much of a micro manager.
If Whitingham lets Chow run things his playbook has some awsome stufff in it.
The guy can build and design crossing patterns with amazing coordination like no
other person you've ever seen. Whittingham has seen it before as a Y defensive
player. He knows what the C Wizard is all about.
@Ibleedcrimson...You're confused. 3,021 posts ago was just 3 weeks
ago for hedgie, chris and others criticizing BYU and Jimmer.Good
luck to the Utes in the PAC-10.2 Glad you enjoyed my little version of long
term humor. No different than the constant deluge of stuff that continually
rolls down to BYU. Just trying to shovel a little of it back where it belongs.
Get used to it.Visted the University of Colorado Athletic website
today. Does not mention ANYTHING on the first page about joining or being part
of the PAC so for the time being you can claim all of that .2I'm
from Missouri... so I'm ready for the Utes to 'show me' something this fall. I'm
not a hater I'm just not a believer, yet. It's a rivalry thing. I'm not so sure
whether things are going to be so easy as they were those first 8 games last
year.Utes are now the little fish in the BIG PAC-10.2 pond. I'm very
anxious to see what happens... for both teams. In September I believe the Utes
won't be so lucky.
This is a very smart move for the Utes. Wynn handed the ball off every time no
matter what. He has no heart at all and is scared to get hit. What every pass he
throws when someone is within 5 feet of him. Off his back foot, running away
every time. If Utah wants any chance in the Pac they better use another QB with
some Heart quick, because Wynnie isn't going to cut it. Good luck Utes, I'm
rooting for you to do well in the Pac.
Norm Chow's offense has been horrible over the last six years.Urban Meyer and
Oregon and others will be replaced with Ron McBride and UCLA.You don't change a
proven offense for a skinny,whimpy quarterback you change the quarterback to fit
the offense.Up the middle on 1st down get's very boring fast.We better win or
the stadium will have alot of high priced empty seats.Maybe Whittingham should
go to Weber and bring back McBride to run his offense.Let's keep our fingers
@ET Bass:You are right on.
worf | 11:15 a.m. March 31, 2011 Mcallen, TX "Hiring four
offensive coordinators in six years isn't cutting it."I'm
unsure if you mean that because the Utes have had 4 different people at OC then
they will have a bad season next year OR their previous guys weren't cutting
it.With regards to the latter:Dave Schramm is still a coach at
Utah.Aaron Roderick is still a coach at Utah (thank goodness).Andy
Ludwig got the chance to move on and he took it (first K State, transiently,
then Cal, now at SDSU).None of these guys were fired for
incompetence.Norm Chow is a hired gun to make the transition to the
PAC easier...I see him retiring/moving on in a couple of years after the
mentoring Roderick.Bottom line: the Ute offense has been effective,
much in part to exceeding their talent and coaching.I expect more of
the same next season.Go Utes!
hedge;@ Unlike other coaches you(I think you meant "who", not
you) make knee jerk changes in the mid-season, Kwhitt was preparing for this
switch prior to spring training. Utah was planning to stick with the
spread offense this year going in to spring practice(they don't call it training
in football). He made the decision to change when he realized he did not have
the personnel to pull it off. You really ought to have someone proof
read your posts. Trying to have a battle of wits with you is like the Utes
playing the Cougars in the Huntsman center this past season. You keep getting
Jimmered and you look really bad.
Smart move by KW. Utes won't have the team speed to run the spread. This was
evident with TCU, Notre Dame, BYU, Boise State, etc. Hiring four offensive
coordinators in six years isn't cutting it. Perhaps the new sports complex will
entice better athletes.
hedgehog"Patterson was quoted as saying the Ute defense was the
toughest his team faced last year."And yet, the Horned Frogs
scored 47 points on Utah's defense at RES.47-7Versus
scoring only 31 points against BYU's defense at TCU.31-3In fact, the BYU-TCU score was 0-3 until late in the first half.TCU led Utah 20-0 IN THE FIRST QUARTER.TCU racked up 558 yards
total offense against Utah; 381 yards against BYU.Comparing the
stats it's pretty clear that Patterson's quote more likely a compliment to the
outstanding performance of TCU's offense, than a kudo to Utah's defense.
hedge do you mean peterson from boise and not patterson from tcu?utah's D played well enough in the vegas bowl to keep us in it but the offense
just couldn't get anything going. two dropped td's and a missed field goal hurt
really bad too.
@SidUnfortunately, Shakerin has retired from the game of football.
He had too many concussions and was forced to retire. Its really
too bad. He is a good kid.
"it was the offense's inability to move the ball and the defense finally
tiring. This happened in the Notre Dame, and the Boise game."TH,Patterson was quoted as saying the Ute defense was the toughest
his team faced last year. If Utah had a shred of offense (in that game) the
results could have been much different.
The obvious question mark in switching offenses is the West Coast offense relies
on precision timing and reads between quarterback and receivers.With
Wynn not being able to throw until June, and even then, it's questionable
whether he'll be able to throw at full velocity, it's likely the Utes won't
really be able to fine tune their routes and reads until fall camp.Playing USC on the road in the 2nd week of the season with an offense that's
still honing its timing could be a huge hurdle, especially considering the USC
defense is going to be VERY familiar with Chow's offense.
Utah needed to make some changes. Just as Robinson reported, Utah's offense was
great against Colorado State, Iowa State, and the likes while struggling against
everyone else. Wynn is a drop back quarterback. Wynn is already
throwing some balls according to reports. He's a smart kid and will be fine with
the offense. Yes Utah could struggle a little but as Razzle2 brought up, Utah's
defense will be the anchor. This last year when Utah got into some trouble, it
was the offense's inability to move the ball and the defense finally tiring.
This happened in the Notre Dame, and the Boise game.I am excited to
see what the Ute's do with this new scheme. There will still be some wrinkles in
there I am sure. Go Ute's
Looking at the photo in the article one thing pops out. I think Whitt could suit
up and still start for any D-1 team in the country.
When the article mentioned the running backs they did not mention Shashawn
Shackerin. Does he still play? Gone on a mission? I was really hoping he
would do great things at Utah.Can any one enlighten me on this?
Forced to change because Chow won't try to coach anything else at this point in
his career. Whit is going with Chow's strength not Meyers. The rest
of the excuses in the article are hogwash but U fans will buy it hook, line
and sinker. Plain and simple Chow won't coach the spread (or the pistol or the
pro-style), he is all West-Coast. Chow is in charge.What's the
bright side? Chow can coach the WC practically against anyone, any defense, bar
"Thanks for reporting this to us 3 months later"So
true.Y is doug bringing this up now? Stiring the pot? Unlike other
coaches you make knee jerk changes in the mid-season, Kwhitt was preparing for
this switch prior to spring training.
Good post Duck, see it's not so hard to be relevant.
No worries...Whit knows football, and keeping opponents questioning is huge when
you're winning championship,, plus, it will be exciting to watch on national TV
everyweek! Go Utes! I love this game!
If they are staying with Wynn this is an obvious and much needed change. Sammygirl, do you ever get tired of writing PAC 10.2, it was rather
clever 3,021 posts on a utah article ago.Congrats nottyou I believe
that's your first non runon incoherant post to date!!TwinsGuy, come
on do you steal all your material from old posts? Hey tip for ya, work in how
Utah fans are so obessed with BYU on your next 4,000 posts on a Utah article
that one hasn't been used for a least a couple of hours.
Razzle2.. the coach coaches and the players play and thats the way it is !
The spread has never been anything more than a gimmick offense and its life is
as limited as the run and shoots was. utah was never a great offensive team with
the exception of 2004 when the spread was so new no one had figured out how to
stop it yet. But it has been exposed as a gimmick and teams are
going away from it to a tried and true offense like the west coacst offense
perfected in college by BYU. I am not surprised.This is actually the
right thing for utah to do although as others have noted it will take some time
to get it right and this season I think will be a tough one for utah.But utah has won because of their defense anyway, that is their strength. As
long as their offense is capable of scoring a little bit more than their defense
allows, which shouldn't be that difficult, then they will win some games.
Sorry Doug, but this is old news. Utah fans knew some offensive change was
going to happen back in December when K-Whitt was talking about how he wanted to
run a more down-field offense like Boise. We knew for sure the change would
happen when Norm Chow joined the staff in January.Thanks for
reporting this to us 3 months later.
I don't see why this is a surprise to anyone. Chow knows the west coast offense,
and many of the skills players would do better in the west coast style. Sounds
like a good tactical move on Coach Whittingham's part.
Utah continues to be a national leader in defense. They can afford to shake up
Time will tell. It was obvious that Wynn was not the man to run the spread
offense. If you can't accomplish what you want to do with the existing
personnel, you have to adjust or change the personnel. I would not be surprised
if the Utes have a new starting QB in September. Maybe they are on to something.
You have to think that Chow has something to do with this decision. Hope he can
do better than the last time he was in the PAC.
The worst play in history was when Wynn would try to run the read-option last
year. Everyone in the stadium, and more importantly all 11 guys on the defense,
knew Wynn was never going to pull the ball and run it. As long as Utah has
a QB who simply cannot run the ball then they should never run any form of an
Cautious optimism. Hope it works out but from the comments from the
PAC-10.2 Blog those backup QB are having some problems throwing the ball.March 28th, Some quick thoughts on Utah's practice, by Ted Miller.--- "It seemed like there were more nice moments running the ball
than passing the ball, but that should be expected with a pair of inexperienced
backups trying to learn coordinator Norm Chow's West Coast offense. One observer
noted that the play-action looks particularly needed work."So
it would appear that this offense is hinging on Wynn's return this summer. It's
one thing to run around on mock plays, learn the offense, etc. but it's another
throwing the ball for real. A lot of pressure on Wynn this summer to get up to
speed and if the O line isn't there for Wynn, he's a squashed skinny kid and out
for the season.Doesn't look as 'rosy' as many would hope for. It
could make for a very long inaugural PAC-10.2 season.
The Utes are still good enough to beat the Y. Scoreboard!
Whit is a football genius. The coach knows what he is doing by evaluating the
talent of the team. I think it will be a great first season in the PAC 12!
BugoffOddly enough, that Utah offensive line has produced 4 current
starters in the NFL and 2 more likely to be drafted this year
NottyouDonny is at practice down south, go get his autograph.Total faith in K Whitt and what he is doing.Go Utes on to
the PAC 12!
Let's see if I understand this right. Utes have won 3 conference championships
in eight years? Oscar Meyer won two of those in two years. That means Whit has
won a whopping "1" MWC championship in "6" years of trying?
Wow!!! And they are optimistic about dominating the PAC 10.2. That is a lot of
Interesting that Rock as well as most of those making comments so far have not
as yet secured their first head coaching jobs!Of course, what they
all have to say here will surely turn Chris Hill's head.No doubt
offers for hiring interviews will soon be hitting their mailboxes.
Ahhh....even more disgruntled Ute fans and empty seats in RES.
Just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic - the Ute ship is sinking!
He just wants to keep up with the winning tradition of the Basketball team.
John Mayer and David A? Time to get some more depth in your pop-culture
reference Mr. Robinson.
i'm okay with the change. the spread is a super effective offense with the
right personnel but the utes just don't have that this year. football is all
about trends. i remember back when urban was here and he implemented a spread
option offense and louisville was running it as well and the results were 12-0
for the utes and 11-1 for louisville. the next year, nearly half the nation was
running the spread. even though the spread is still in its prime, we saw a lot
of programs start to go the way of the new pistol offense after nevada had so
much success with it in 2009. there's still a lot of good, solid programs that
run the pro style offense effectly like usc, stanford, and alabama. watching
wynn take a snap from the gun and run around in the backfield was painful
(especially when he sacked himself against byu :S). i also agree with mesoute,
mix up the playcalling.
Well it is about time to dump the "spread." Utah has not run a true
spread since King Urban took off for FLA. What we have had is a spread shell
offense with about 6 plays, none of which were suited to Jordan Wynn. I am happy
for the shift away from what we were running.
Sounds like they've been eves dropping on their neighbors to the South. They
must have heard BYU was changing, and felt the need to try and keep up.
The tail wags the dog...part of the quest to 'keep up with the neighbors'.Next up at practice: Justin Beiber
TX went from the spread to more of the I formation last year because their QB
was not a spread offense QB. However, the rest of the players were spread types
and it did not go well. Does Utah have the offensive line to run a
West Coast Offense? That is usually the biggest problem. The Ute
trolls make jokes about the big (supposedly slow) BYU offensive lineman but that
is the type of lineman you need for the pro set. This may work in
the long run and it may be necessary to compete in the PAC but making the
transition may be messy. It usually takes a year or two to get the right players
to go with the QB. It also takes everyone time to get in sync.Defenses are getting better against the spread. The Pistol is the new rage
now. In my opinion that is a better formation than the Spread. However, if you
are going to place players in the NFL the Pro Set is a big recruiting angle.