Don't worry boys.....CJ will play defense next year..........
@Kakashi--not happening. I like Walker as well but starter he is not right now.
I think you forget that we do need vet leadership and AJ has not proven he is
just that, yet. As I look around and see the best/elite teams in the league they
are not loaded with a bunch of rookies. You basically have 3 rookies in the
starting lineup? This is not how it's done. We have to develop them. The NBA is
not the NCAA. Now, the players you have mentioned I like. I also
like Irving at #1 but it's wishful thinking that we could get him; but who
knows. He will go before Walker for a reason. I like both though. If we hold on
to AK, SAP and CJ (unlikely) one probably needs to start for leadership.We need a #5 and #2/#3 and I feel a number #1 long-term. I have told
many posters that I will give Harris a chance, but I am not convinced he is the
long-term answer the Jazz need. I disagree with Bugoff in that I don't feel he
is a top #10 PG.
i really think...Kemba Walker could be good...or better than devin
harris...harris is injury prone...i'd rather trade him to get something that we
need...a SG that can shoot and defend...i like Tony Allen...i think he fits the
bill...harris for Allen + Darrell Arthur + a first round pick next year's
draft...i think a combination of Perry Jones and Kemba Walker would be
good...our line up could be...Al JeffFavorsJonesAllenWalkerMillsapHaywardTomicCJ/BellWatsonAKi think this could be a potent lineup...although i'd
rather have Omer Asik or Varejao as a back up C...
@Buggoff--I always appreciate your posts but...a few concerns I have. Let's
talk. First, I quote you, "AJ is close to ideal at C. He is not a
traditional C but he is producing like no Jazz C before him. AJ is weak on D but
Favors may cover for him eventually." Al I feel is definitely not the
future at #5. He can do this against smaller teams but if we want to truly
compete against the big guns (aka Dallas, LA, etc) we have to get bigger, bottom
line. We need a legit #5 to do just that. AJ should not be our future #5 and he
needs to play more #4...he can also rotate to #5 as needed or when teams play
small ball. Look at the greats in the past that have won it all--most, have had
a true #5. I think you would agree with that. Second, I feel Burks should
stay in college one more year. He will be good but to many flaws right now. He
will be a project I feel.I agree about Favors and Sap.Harris not a top 10 PG right now.
Favors is probably the PF of the future. He has the talent and the length to
make him ideal for the Jazz. AJ is close to ideal at C. He is not a
traditional C but he is producing like no Jazz C before him. AJ is weak on D but
Favors may cover for him eventually. Millsap is a great player and
best as someone who fills in or matches up. Millsap will extend his shooting
range. He is very talented. The SF position is a problem. AK may not
return. Hayward plays SG better. Evans in not ready to play SF. Fortunately
there are some good SFs in this draft. A defending/shooting SG is
needed badly. Bell is a spot up shooter and does not fit Corbin's offense. CJ is
better at SG but still erratic. Burks is about the only SG early in the
draft.Harris is a top 10 PG but the Jazz probably need someone built
like DWill who can set/run thru picks. Jimmer might eventually be capable but he
will likely go to a fun and gun team.This is a good foundation. Add
Just so everyone understands. Sloan is a hall of fame coach and deserves it. I
also think he is a very good coach. However, at least to me he had several very
strong tendencies that were both strengths and weaknesses. Jerry
dominated the Jazz organization until Larry died. It took Greg a couple of years
to get his bearings but Greg is a different personality than Larry and had a
much different relationship with Jerry. Greg and KOC exerted more
influence in the last 2 years. The night before he resigned Sloan was late for
the press and said he had met with KOC about a trade. I am sure that meeting
caused him to decide to retire. DWill is a top 5 PG. He also cost
the Jazz the max. He can be replaced and some of the salary can go to other
positions. I hope AK can be signed for reasonable but both AK and
DWill are replaceable with time and enough money. The Jazz are
getting good player for reasonable prices. With DWill,AK and Okur off of the
books they can rebuild a great team.
@Mountainbird...Really? Patriot was just sharing a thought/opinion, nothing
more. Don't bash his comment. Classless. Who cares if he misspelled
D-E-R-O-N. Did you actually hear DWill say he was leaving? No you
did not. We assumed he was leaving, nothing more. Furthermore, I
laugh when you call out someone that supposedly "choked" in a game for
attempting the last shot to win it all. He had the guts to take the winning shot
and you win some and lose some--ask the best--Jordan, Kobe, etc....DWill showed
last night why he is a top PG in the league--and all this while playing hurt.
Did you watch the game? He single handily brought the Nets back.... I'm curious
as to if you ever posted about DWill being a choker when he was wearing a Jazz
uniform? I will go out on a limb and bet you didn't. So why now I ask? Before
combating others just think before posting. Let's not be so cad. Go Jazz.
Great to have straight talk from the GM. Only thing he did not explain is that
when the Jazz decided the team was not going to playoffs this year and that
DWill would probably leave so it was time to rebuild and Coach Sloan said see ya
cause he did not have the energy for that again.
The real story remember back in jan when the jazz lost to the wizards and then
lost al the games on the road trip that is when the wheels came off jerry quits
a month later d-will gone 2 weeks later whats the real story the jazz always
keep quiet but there has to some kind of story because no way sloan gives it up
in the middle of the season and then the jazz go from 3-11 in the west in 2
months jazz fans deserve to now
@CJ Milesi agree with you there...i think...the drafts have been
influenced by Jerry...and yes Jerry is a bit biased among the players...i
mean...come on...we drafted Mo Williams...and look at the production he is
giving right now...but as a coach...i have a ton of Respect for Jerry...he did a
Tomic wont be a defensive force in the NBA...that's the truth...Fes...to be
honest...i dont think much of him...he should be gone...as Bugoff pointed
out...Kanter has knee problems...Montiejunas is compared to Andrea
Bargnani...and he doesn't defend...if we could trade harris for a solid
wing...at the 2...we could draft Perry Jones and Kemba Walker...we could
probably have a line up like this:Al JeffersonDerrick
FavorsPerry Jones(the solid wing from trade whoever he is)Kemba Walkerwe have height in this line up...Perry Jones standing
6'11...at SF...who could handle the ball...and shoot jumpers...who knows...if we
can have get some talent in by next year...we might be able to entice D-Will to
comeback...if we play it right...we have solid role players in Hayward AK watson
and millsap all going off the bench...and if tomic comes in...he can rotate at
the C...im just going to keep positive...and leave it to KOC to do his job
Some of you keep talking about D-Will, D-Will is gone! I watched him play last
night on ESPN it was the first time he played in 6 games, it was a national
telivised game. 22 points, 8 assists, 7-19 from the floor 36%, 2-6 from the arc.
He looked bothered at times by his wrist which we all know has been bothering
him for most of the season.So what is Silly Rabbit getting at well
he came back on a ESPN game, I love D-Will's heart and game thats why I watched
the Nets last night, BUT why come back if you are still hurt, why go to the all
star game when you have an injured wrist which will affect games after the
break, D-Will should have taken the all star break and let his wrist heal a
little, but he didnt. Maybe it improves maybe it doesnt, but we have all
witnessed how well he played over the years on National TV, he is a gamer when
the lime light is on him,Do the math in the past few years it has
been about him, not the team. Sorrytosay.
I agree with CJ to some extent. All those 1st round busted picks had heavy Sloan
finger prints. Sloan ran his system his way. He had VETO over all player
selections. Sloan would make a horrible GM. Partly because is he bad at lying
(good at PR answers). Partly because he would use the same bad approach to
drafting and player bias that prevented him from winning a championship. I disagree with KOC (frequently) but he is probably a top 5-10 GM. I
think he may be weak in quant analysis (unlike Morey). It will be very
interesting to see who he drafts in this draft now that Sloan and his biases are
gone. I doubt if Corbin has VETO power over player selection. KOC is
finally free to do his job without Sloan fouling it up. The Jazz
seem to be going after much better talent instead of projects now that Sloan is
gone. That is needed badly. KOC got Favors and that is his first
good move. Harris is okay. Give KOC time and see what he comes up with. AJ and
Hayward have Sloan prints on them. AJ blossomed under Corbin not
Dang! Brave Sir Robin beat me to the punch. Now is a perfect time to kick a
nsaty habit and watch a REAL sport, with REAL players that play together as a
team and don't whine constantly. And they deliver....
Because Jerry was protected by Larry, Kevin had to draft Dwill. Also he had to
sign Boozer. Jerry's system only worked with a point guard who could hog the
ball and a big man who could run pick-and-roll. Don't blame those two moves on
Kevin. In his defense, he got rid of both of them because he knew he couldn't
win a championship with either of them.So this will be his first
year with Jerry calling the shots. Let's see what Kevin does in the draft, free
agency and trades. He might surprise us.If he takes Jimmer with his
first pick, we will then know he doesn't know what he is doing..........
I saw the Andrei comment too, but I think that he meant don't have back in the
sense, as he is the only major player on the team not under contract next year.
He is too smart to slip up like that I think.
While you're all watching the Jazz circle the bowl, may I suggest giving Real
Salt Lake a try? Yeah, I know -- it's soccer. But RSL is an amazingly good -
and entertaining - team to watch. Plus they'd remind you of the Jazz
"glory days" (if there is such a thing with the Jazz)....consider the
following:- There's no prima donna on the team- There's no huge
star- They play the game as a team- They're about defense first- They're pretty much a stone-cold lock to win at home- Their coach is a
fiesty ex-pro from the midwestGive an RSL game a shot - if you can
get tickets, that is. And don't be afraid that you're suddenly un-American if
you find yourself liking it.
The State_of_KOC is:HE has missed a dozen great players overthe
years,Went over braad toget dwill, which ended up much ado about
nothing,could've drafted player like bynum, granger, lee and
drafted rondo or other pg later in the draft. unless your point
guard is magic johnson or isaiah thomas, player whocan make things happen, you
don't waste high picks on point guards,KOC has failed to draft a
great shooting guard or small forward,and there are none in this
draft either, you have goto small guards to find shooters like fredette, walker
and pullen,but there some intriguing and very talented 7 footers
like vesely, Motiejunas, and Valanciunas, grabbing a couple of those
and trade AJ, okur, bell, for a 2 guard and a pick to get fredette,
gives you a crop of 7 footers with Fes, Tomic to build around,add
favors, harris, hayword, resign AK for cheap, and have a young and
talented team to developbut please KOC stop missing out on talent
or over valuing talent like deron and boozer or getting sloan type players or
system players,and get a coach who can develop young players.
If anyone ever thinks Duncan had the skill, moves or durability of Malone, you
have to be smoking something...Duncan was a center anyway. Malone would help the
Jazz..in many ways...I just think Smallsap and Big Al are not the answer.
Hey the hiring of Sloan as GM would be a great idea...and get Malone on board as
big man, power forward-center coach...Here we have the Greatest Power Forward to
ever lace them up ready to come on board...Sheriff Mailman Malone needs to be on
the side line.
I am so over the frustration of this season. What happened happened and it might
turn out to be a blessing for everyone. Coach Corbin gets a half season of
experience that he would not have gotten otherwise if Sloan left during the
summer. Next season will be better for him having wet his feet a bit I am
sure.Sloan leaving was a big deal. To a point things needed to come
crumbling down so something new could be re-built. Though I do miss Sloan I very
much look forward to the future of the Jazz. I am still here UtahGo
NO JIMMER PLEASE! Doesn't matter if he plays in Utah, lives in Utah or got o
church in Utah...no Jimmer!
Brilliant comment, patriot. Did you just parachute in here yesterday? Deron
(and it's spelled D-E-R-O-N) was traded because he said he was leaving when his
contract was up. The Jazz got something for him before being left with nothing.
And, by the way, he sure choked last night for the Nets, like he so often did
with the Jazz.
Poor Fes just learned -- directly from the mouth of the GM -- that he is not a
I attended the Jazz charity fundraiser last night. From what I could see in
person I must say that the coaching staff and players are all genuinely great
individuals. They were incredibly nice and positive. Ultimately
the team is judged by the number of wins and losses. I hope the W's will fall
into place because I really want these guys to succeed. They have my support.
Just fire O'Connor and give the job to someone else. I hear Jon Huntsman needs
Trading away the third best player ever to wear a Jazz uniform (Darrin Williams)
will forever be the worst of the worst moves ever. Darrin was someone who could
draw other good players to the Jazz as well as being one the best point guards
in the league.
Good previous idea of hiring Slaon as GM. Alarm bells should go off when there
is a report from 2004 of major injury problems and missed games from Kirilenko,
Boozer, and Bell. This is a "prima donna" problem and not an injury
issue. Tomic is not mentioned. He would appear to be the "anchor" of
a future team. Favors is the "real deal". From a columnist, it
states that Jefferson is very frustrated. He thought that he would play for an
all-star coach and be the missing link to make a deep playoff run with an
all-star guard. Instead, it appears that he is back in the Minnesota mindset.
That is why he is upset. He is honest and aboveboard and Utah needs to "do
I'm just curious as to whom the Jazz would bring in to replace A.K. if he bolts?
Everyone acts like people are beating the door down to sign up with the Jazz.
The Jazz had to give Raja 3 years just to get him to come here! Sign AK, for a
modest amount-6 to 8 million, if you have to trade him in the future for another
asset then do it. At least AK brings some length and defense and he wants to
When the wheels come off you buy new ones. This team does not need the frail
Kirilenko anymore, he will be replaced. Next season Bell and Harris will have
guys chomping at the bit to take their roster spots. The future is bright for
the Jazz. I would offer AK a veteran minimum deal of maybe 2 years, if he
declines, oh well, we move on just fine w/ out him, if he accepts, we hope he
stays healthy and focused. GO JAZZ!
I'm glad many of you aren't running the Jazz. byronbca got it right. KOC has
done a great job. The Jazz have a few problems right now but this is a playoff
team next year. Injuries have killed this team. David Lock said if you have over
20 Million dollars sitting on the bench at one time unable to play, you are in
big trouble. Well, we've had 20 Million sitting on the bench many times the last
half of the season starting with D-Will's wrist injury. I still
think this team has other problems including the lack of outside shooting, lack
of defense and lack of bench scoring. However, I am confident those things will
be fixed come next year. We have 2 draft picks coming up that should solve the
outside shooting and bench scoring problems. We replaced D-Will with a former
All Star point guard a future star power forward, 2 first round draft picks (one
of which is a high lottery pick)and 3 million dollars to help with cap space...
for D-Will who was likely going to leave anyway. I think KOC deserves a standing
Friends dont let friends draft Jimmer
@karenella Lol. Sloan WAS the GM. CP3 would be the hometown hero if
it wasn't for Sloan.
Watch the Jazz win the lottery this year and then every one can jump back on
board the KOC bandwagon!!
Re SJ Bobkins:GMs are judged by wins and losses and not by how many
1st round draft picks they can keep on their team. After the Stockton Malone era
it took the Jazz exactly 2 years to rebuild themselves back into a contender. It
took the Bulls over a decade and they have twice the resources.Fact,
stealing Boozer away from Cleavland was brilliant. Fact, trading up to get DWill
was brilliant. Fact, getting Al Jefferson for Kosta Koufos, and 2 draft picks
was brilliant. And if KOC knew that DWill wasn't coming back trading him was
brilliant too. Look at what happened in Cleavland and Toronto, that would have
been the Jazz in 2012. Here's my honest answer to your question:
"Who has done a poorer job as a GM, than KOC?" Every single GM in the
league who has lost more games than the Jazz over the past decade.Fact, no GM in the league has done more with less than KOC. OKC and SA have
good small market GMs too, but they also got extremely lucky in the draft
lottery, which is something the Jazz have never done.
The NBA draft is all about chance and luck. Even in those years when there is a
can't miss player or two at the top of the draft, you still have to win the
lottery.If you are a small market, even if you get lucky and win the
lottery and get the franchise player, chances are about 70/30 that your
franchise player will bolt to a more attractive market when his initial contract
is up. That has been the pattern in the NBA for at least 30-40 years. Kareem
Abdul Jabbar (or Lew Alcindor as he was named when he entered the NBA) went to
LA Lakers after his initial stint in Milwaukee. Shaquille O'Neill left Orlando
after his intial stint, again for the LA Lakers. This past year, Amare
Stoudamire and Carmelo Anthony bolted for the Knicks and LeBron James bolted to
Miami.San Antonio was very lucky to get Tim Duncan initially (David
Robinson got injured and their team tanked the season, then got the number one
pick with about the 11th worst record in the NBA). Then, they were able to keep
him happy. That is by far the exception.
Mr. Wicks, I like it. Sloan as the GM...that would be a dream.
Re Me myself and I:"We need to do a better job managing. I need to do
a better job." "The Miller family has given us everything
we've asked for, so it's our responsibility and it's right on us. It starts with
me and works all the way down to the coaches, to the players"Really? "KOC never once took any responsibility for the state the Jazz
have fallen into"? Did you skip over those quotes? When he uses words like
"I", "me", and "we" do you think he's referring to
I hate to sound like I am defending O'Connor, but many folks posting here have
no foundation for their claims. They are simply fishing for reasons to be mad
at the Jazz. If you can't be a true fan, then go join the Lakers fan base.
The fact that KOC said he WANTS AK back is all I needed to see.
Memo is done and CJ should also go. Keep Bell but as a bench player. I would
then dump KOC and hire Sloan as the new GM. He would not have to travel with the
team and I think he would flourish in the job. Jerry is the Jazz and always will
be. Offer him a job upstairs. It's the moral right thing to do.
When is anyone in the Jazz office going to admit that Fes and Memo are total
busts? These two valuable picks could be wasted by short sighted myopia. Who
would have ever thought that the last great Jazz center was Eaton. AK, Fes, and
Memo should all be replaced.
@Anonigma you misread it. He meant to say that AK is a free agent - "We
don't have him back" not "We won't have him back"Chances of AK returning are less. He's the last stockmalonian, but he's 30 and
he's been injured too much so I don't really care if he's back or not.
Has there ever been a team that has so badly imploded in one season as has the
Wow! I bet those questions made KOC squirm. What's next? A guest hosting
appearance on the Piers Morgan show. Hey! The Jazz are in free fall with no
bottom to the abyss in sight. How about asking more pointed questions?Like for instance, with the Jazz 5-16 since the Sloan retirement and a
possible 0 for April coming up, why was giving Ty Corbin a 3 year contract
before the end of season the right thing to do?Or, now that the
Jazz's franchise and all star point guard has been traded, how does the
organization plan to fill that void?I think the local media has
given KOC a free pass regarding the trade and the current state of the team. On
the contrary, KOC is the most responsible Jazz employee for this meltdown we're
seeing now, and it would be nice if the local media would occasionally hold his
feet to the fire.
Kanter may have knee problems. Sullinger is not going into the draft. It would
not surprise me if they went with an SF. However, there has been
talk of Millsap playing the SF, with AJ at C and Favors at PF. Millsap would
have to gain some quickness (probably lose weight) and extend his range. I see a big need at wing for shooters. Bell is not going to fit this new
offense well. Hayward needs to develop his shooting or he is not the answer
either. The Jazz need someone at least as good as Mathews. However,
they should be able to do that for reasonable. It would be nice to
keep AK but he could be replaced with the right draft pick. AK is much more
valuable to this team than most realize. The Jazz finances solve
next year. They also get a lot of young talent to go with some very good middle
age talent. The bench has to be much better. That is mostly a
function of money (or lack of).A hard cap of even 70 mill would
level the playing field for the Jazz. I am looking forward to the
Please try and answer honestly: Who has done a poorer job as a GM, than KOC? The
man is a complete joke from avoiding Al Jefferson, drafting 2 stiffs around him,
then paying twice as much as he had to get him from Minn., paying too much for
AK or Mr. Fragile, drafting a cross country runners body (GH) in a draft filled
with needed strength, giving up on only the second all pro PG the Jazz ever had
and taking a collection of this and that plus $3 mil to dump him, and then the
roof falls in, yet it's not his fault of course. How many #1 draft choices are
still playing for the Jazz? Giving KOC a draft choice is like giving a drunk one
more drink, or a loser gambler a $100 chip, whoop it's gone and you have
I have to disagree with byronbca 100%. KOC never once took any responsiblity
for the state the Jazz have fallen into. With that said he did straight fowardly
throw players and coaches under the bus saying they have to "do
better". I know he can't play for the players and he can't coach for the
coaches, but his job is to make sure the organization has the best players and
coaches to be successful. This includes making smart trades and draft picks. In
my lifetime the Jazz have had solid drafts only 4 times. Back to back with
Stockton and Malone and 20+ years later with D-Will in 2005 and Brewer/Millsap
in 2006. Bottom line is KOC isn't a good GM and the Jazz should find a younger
more in touch with todays NBA kind of guy to replace him.
I love KOC, most GMs would have dodged most of those questions or sugar coated
most of those answers. That is about as straight forward as I have ever heard a
GM speak in any sport.As for the first AK comment I think he
misspoke, this wasn't scripted and this press conference wasn't about AK. I
think he actually meant that he's the only significant player that is not under
contract next season. When asked about AK directly he basically said
his future in Utah is up in the air. I don't think anybody including AK knows
where he'll play next year, maybe even Russia.I don't think it's a
coincidence however that the Jazz drafted AK's possible successor in Gordon
Hayward and I won't be surprised at all if they end up taking another SF this
year. Barnes, T Jones, and Vesely will all go top 10
Anonigma, I was wondering the same thing.The Jazz have fallen apart.
The wheels are coming off. Who will be left standing in June?
Am I misreading this?"The only guy that's significant that
plays that we don't have back next year is Andrei."Did he just
give Andrei's contract situation away? It just sounds like a mistake on his part
cause he clears it up next sentence...hmmm