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Published: Wednesday, March 30 2011 9:43 p.m. MDT

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UgottaloveMaxie
SLC, UT

Shreve has his scholarship back? I remember spring of last year he lost his scholarship because of his assault charges on his high school coach. So did he red-shirt at a community college or what? does he have his scholarship back? this seems to be confusing.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

Does Davis have his scholarship back" This seems to be confusing.

Trevvor
Sandy, UT

UgottaloveMaxie: the DUI kid will be back on the team by game 1 too after his "punishment" of not having to be in spring practices. It's just how some programs roll. Auburn, Ohio State, utah....

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Maxie

Shreve was given a criteria which he had to fulfill in order to get his schollie back. He did what was required of him, and entered school in January. Yes, he is on scholarship.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Trevvor, did he have a question about the "DUI kid"? I don't beleive he did so what's your point? I'll take rolling with Auburn and Ohio state over BYU and Army anyday.

Trevvor
Sandy, UT

crumson: did I say he had a question about the dui kid? My point was clear, but I know that reading 101 is an elective at the hill. My point is that he got a slap on the wrist, just like the dui kid will get, but he'll be on the field when he is needed.

My point is that certain schools have value and others, well....

Even though you hate byu, way to trash on an awesome and value-driven institution like Army though. That wasy classy.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"way to trash on an awesome and value-driven institution like Army though"

Oh my I see my mistake, I appologize Army for every associating BYU with your institution, my bad!

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Trevvor,

So let me get this straight, it's okay for BYU to let a suspended player travel with the team and sit on the bench, because that is showing compassion and helping the kid overcome his troubles. But when athletes at the U are suspended and then do what is required of them to earn their way back, it's not appropriate and you think it's just a slap on the wrist. Give me a break and take your double standard somewhere else.

Trevvor
Sandy, UT

Sorry Mormon Ute, you're way off on several issues. If you want to compare to Davies, the kid DIDN'T PLAY right? Shreve, the DUI kid, and let's not forget the kid that robbed several people at gunpoint(remember that one)? are all going to PLAY for the U.

My whole point is at what point should a university say "No, this kid will not play for us as a serious punishment" instead of giving him a slap on the wrist.

I would call making a kid miss the entire conference and NCAA tournament a serious punishment, would U?

BYU said "No this kid will not play for us to show it's real punishment." What does sitting on the bench have to do with anything? Sitting on the bench is hardly the same as playing.

I'm simply curious what issue would be serious enough to not let the kid play?

Assault? Apparently not.

DUI? We'll see but I doubt it, he'll be back.

Rob at gunpoint: Nope - that kid was accepted.

Your weak attempt at the self rigtheous card fell painfully short on that one.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

I may be wrong but to my knowledge there were no "assault charges" as was stated in the first comment. An incident occured, a punichment was given and all expectations to redeem his standing have been met. Am I missing something? what is the problem? I wish him well.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Trevor

Please explain Kyle Van Noy then.

Don't give me your holier than thou garbage. These are human beings, and as such generally deserve a second chance.

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mormon Ute: I have to be honest I have been very impressed(as a Runnin Rebel) with your posts on most articles as you seem gracious and kind to both sides. There aren't many from either side in Utah with as much respect that you usually show.

I have to say though I think your analogy is extremely weak. Even though BYU's rules are silly sometimes, it is their rule and breaking the "honor code" is hardly comparable to an assault charge or driving under the influence. BYU's guy broke no laws and BYU still held him out, at the most important time of season. He wasn't forced to run some stairs or sit just a single game. Even if people disagree with their rules including me, it was admirable to take a serious stance.

I don't know much about Shreve, but I had a cousin killed by a drunk driver so Fotu's arrest hit home to me. I hope a serious punishment(missing GAMES) is given. To me driving while drunk merits a year in jail. Not exactly the same as breaking the honor code. And that kid was still punished

Trevvor
Sandy, UT

pocyUte,

Yes lets talk Kyle Van Noy. The kid was arrested before he was at BYU and guess what? Bronco had him sit out an ENTIRE SEASON, not spring ball.

Are you suggesting that your DUI kid will miss the entire season? You must be since you wanted to compare them.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Trevvor,

The kids you refer to at the U committed their offenses in the offseason and were suspended from participation with their respective teams for a period of time. Had the offenses occurred during the season, as Davies' apparently did, they would have missed playing time. Contrary to impression you are trying to give, the U has kicked kids off their teams permanently for violating team rules. FYI the most recent DUI incident has been said to be the end of that players career at the U. Your bias against the U is causing you to lie and spread false information to try to pump up yourself and your school.

Self righteous? Boy, that certainly is the pot calling the kettle black. Everyone knows BYU has higher standards. Every student who goes there represents the Church so a higher standard is expected. The epitome of self righteousness is to lie in an effort to put somebody down and make them seem lower than yourself.

Brandon Davies suffered real punishment and so do players who break the rules at the U.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Am I missing something? what is the problem? I wish him well."

It's called making a mountain out of a molehill to prove a point. Unfortunately one must turn a blind eye to you're own teams short commings to make it.

Trevvor
Sandy, UT

Mormon Ute,

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Whittinghams statment was "Effective immediately, Nai Fotu has been suspended from our football team until further notice."

If his career was over wouldnt Whittingham have used different word than "suspended" and "until further notice"

"FYI the most recent DUI incident has been said to be the end of that players career at the U."

Oh really? Who said that? Someone higher than Whittinghman I guess? You must be close to the school president or something. I apologize if you know more than Whittingham said.

Who said it was the end of that player's career at the U?

Who is the liar?

I agree the epitome of self righteousness is calling someone a liar when you are wrong.

Again - please show me where "it has been said it is the end of the career" for this guy. I would gladly apologize.

Mount Olympus
Holladay, UT

Trevorr sounds a little bitter his team didn't get the BCS invite.
Thanks for comparing our team to national powerhouses Auburn and Ohio State. Not sure that Utes deserve that quite yet.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Sports Are Great,

I too have great respect for BYU and their honor code including the eforcement of it at great detrement to their team. Trevvor and some other BYU fans have a history of putting down the U and it's athletes with claims that we are light on punishment. What I was trying to point out (and maybe I didn't do the best job) is that the U like BYU believes in second chances. When a player breaks the rules they are suspended from the team immediately and have to meet certain conditions to get back on the team.

Shreve's problems took place before he even came to the U. His scholarship was revoked and he had to earn it back by meeting certain conditions and was only allowed to practice this spring after meeting them. Had he not slipped up he would have been a backup in the fall. So he missed a whole season. Fotu has been kicked off the team indefinitely. Trevvor asserts that he will be back in the fall, but the word I hear from friends at the U is that he is gone for good.

Big_Ben
SLC, UT

Trevorr,

Kyle Whittingham has kicked many kids off of his team. Mo Neal and Marquis wilson come to mind off hand. Probably others in his time at Utah. To suggest that Utah is not being honorable in the way it handles the situation is unfair to a guy like coach whit. In 2010, Mo Neal would have come in handy. But he was gone. In 2009, Wilson could have been very helpful, but again, thats not how Utah does things.

To compare the way that Utah does things to the way that BYU does them is an apples to oranges argument, and frankly, you are really walking on shaky ground right now my friend. Kyle is going to do everything he can to help these kids get their lives right. I trust his call.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

No, Trevor

My point is that everyone deserves a chance to work their way back. You insinuated that because Utah doesn't punish players exactly like BYU they don't have values. Thanks for impugning my coach like that. That's the part that I take issue with.

So by your definition, if a player gets caught for DUI he should have to sit out a whole year, and if he doesn't the University has no values. So if, as part of Whittingham's reinstatement, Nai Fotu (the Utah player who was busted for DUI, the fact that you don't know his name tells me how much you really know about his punishment or the situation) doesn't have to sit out a whole year (despite the fact that it's his senior year and he has already red-shirted twice for blown ACL thus sitting out a whole season would end his playing career) then he doesn't deserve to play or if he does, Whit and the University of Utah have no values. But Bronco, who made Van Noy sit out a year before his eligibility even started does.

Continued (sorry for the parentheticals)

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